[Mailman-Users] multiple recipients
My ISP says that multiple recipients on each message is a VERY bad idea and wants to know if there is a way to make mailman send to individual addresses. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] new subscriber pending notification not going out to list admin
Hello all, I have a list admin who tells me that sometimes notifications of pending subscriptions aren't going out to him. I had reason to doubt him, but he has just sent me an example of a pending registration from yesterday by jenny_zhaoc...@[redacted].com and I had a look in the logs: $ sudo -u mailman ./list_admins midfex List: midfex, Owners: sherwi...@[redacted].net $ grep -B 30 -A 30 jenny_zhaochin /var/log/maillog |grep -i sherwin $ grep jenny_zhaochin.*250 ok /var/log/maillog Jun 14 21:42:12 [redacted] postfix/smtp[4475]: C069C4C021: to=jenny_zhaoc...@[redacted].com, relay=[redacted], delay=1, status=sent (250 ok dirdel) Any ideas? Cheers, -- Cristóbal Palmer ibiblio.org metalab.unc.edu -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] multiple recipients
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 08:19:16AM -0700, Dan Sherbondy wrote: My ISP says that multiple recipients on each message is a VERY bad idea and wants to know if there is a way to make mailman send to individual addresses. VERP: http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/So+what+is+this+VERP+stuff If you don't run the mailserver/list-config yourself, your ISP will need to make changes, but they're pretty simple/straight-forward (for those with a clue about email/configuring daemons). -- To an optimist, the glass is half full. To a pessimist, the glass is half empty. To an engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] multiple recipients
Adam McGreggor wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 08:19:16AM -0700, Dan Sherbondy wrote: My ISP says that multiple recipients on each message is a VERY bad idea and wants to know if there is a way to make mailman send to individual addresses. VERP: http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/So+what+is+this+VERP+stuff If you don't run the mailserver/list-config yourself, your ISP will need to make changes, but they're pretty simple/straight-forward (for those with a clue about email/configuring daemons). or, set SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 1 in mm_cfg.py, but if you're going to do that, you might as well do VERP for better bounce recognition as it will have no additional cost. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] multiple recipients
-Original Message- From: mailman-users-bounces+marco.vankammen=springer@python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+marco.vankammen=springer@python.org] On Behalf Of Dan Sherbondy Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 5:19 PM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] multiple recipients My ISP says that multiple recipients on each message is a VERY bad idea and wants to know if there is a way to make mailman send to individual addresses. Why would that be very bad?? So they prefer 100 seperate e-mails over 1 that goes to multiple people? Yes that sounds much better indeed :-S Or i don't understand the question? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/marco.vankammen%40s pringer.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] new subscriber pending notification not going out to list admin
On 6/15/2010 11:15 AM, Cristóbal Palmer wrote: I have a list admin who tells me that sometimes notifications of pending subscriptions aren't going out to him. I had reason to doubt him, but he has just sent me an example of a pending registration from yesterday by jenny_zhaoc...@[redacted].com and I had a look in the logs: $ sudo -u mailman ./list_admins midfex List: midfex, Owners: sherwi...@[redacted].net $ grep -B 30 -A 30 jenny_zhaochin /var/log/maillog |grep -i sherwin $ grep jenny_zhaochin.*250 ok /var/log/maillog Jun 14 21:42:12 [redacted] postfix/smtp[4475]: C069C4C021: to=jenny_zhaoc...@[redacted].com, relay=[redacted], delay=1, status=sent (250 ok dirdel) What is the subscribe_policy for this list? if it is Confirm, there is no notice to the admin, just a confirmation to the user until the user confirms and the owner is perhaps notified of the new member, and if it is Confirm and approve the admin approval isn't sent until after the user Confirms. Since the last grep above shows no incoming message, this is apparently not an email subscribe, so the outgoing message is not a results of your email commands and is apparently the confirmation request sent to the user. So it seems OK to me. Aside: If this were a situation where there were simultaneous notices to the user and the owner, as for example, a notice of a held post sent to the poster and a notice of post needing approval to the owner, the message to the user and the message to the actual owner could easily be more that 30 maillog messages apart as the owner's message is first sent to the list's -owner address and needs to be received by Mailman and requeued for ultimate sending to the actual owners and moderators. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] multiple recipients
Kammen van, Marco, Springer SBM NL wrote: My ISP says that multiple recipients on each message is a VERY bad idea and wants to know if there is a way to make mailman send to individual addresses. Why would that be very bad?? So they prefer 100 seperate e-mails over 1 that goes to multiple people? Yes that sounds much better indeed :-S Considering only things like impact on the mail server, it is certainly better to send one message with N RCPTs than to send N identical messages with one RCPT each, but ISPs tend to view messages with a more than a few envelope recipients as likely spam. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Outlook Rich Text Format - Table and Embedded Links - Lost Format
Hi, One of my mailing list admins mentioned that when he sent out a Outlook email message with a table format that has embedded links. The table format disappeared and the embedded links don't show up as clickable. Some of mailing list admins like to send out postings with MS specific format and rather than plain text. Any suggestions on how they would be able to retain the MS Outlook format? Please advise. Thanks Mary -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Help with Mailman configuration
I have a mailing list that I need to setup. This mailing list will comprise of several hundred addresses that will be subscribed by using the mass subscription function. I need the following in place: 1) Only admins, moderators and list owner may post to mailing list - all other posts are deleted 2) Sender is anonymous 3) Recipients may reply to the email and it will be sent to the admin and/or moderator and list owner 4) No subscription notification or unsub notification should be sent 5) Unsubscribe recipient immediately if email address fails and notify admin and/or moderator and list owner 6) Users may not subscribe 7) Users may unsubscribe themselves This is on a server for which I have only the administrative access to my mailing lists. I hope I can get this in place and working properly, or at least something close. Thanks, Keith Blackie -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Outlook Rich Text Format - Table and Embedded Links- Lost Format
Wang, Mary Y wrote: Hi, One of my mailing list admins mentioned that when he sent out a Outlook email message with a table format that has embedded links. The table format disappeared and the embedded links don't show up as clickable. Some of mailing list admins like to send out postings with MS specific format and rather than plain text. Any suggestions on how they would be able to retain the MS Outlook format? Turn off content filtering or adjust pass_mime_types to accept multipart and text/html and whatever else you want to accept, and make sure that collapse_alternatives and convert_html_to_plaintext are set to No. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with Mailman configuration
Keith Blackie wrote: I have a mailing list that I need to setup. This mailing list will comprise of several hundred addresses that will be subscribed by using the mass subscription function. I need the following in place: 1) Only admins, moderators and list owner may post to mailing list - all other posts are deleted 2) Sender is anonymous 3) Recipients may reply to the email and it will be sent to the admin and/or moderator and list owner 4) No subscription notification or unsub notification should be sent 5) Unsubscribe recipient immediately if email address fails and notify admin and/or moderator and list owner 6) Users may not subscribe 7) Users may unsubscribe themselves See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/3YA9 for a start. Also look at settings like anonymous_list and the 'Notifications' on General Options, the Bounce processing settings (hint set bounce_score_threshold = 1 and bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0 and set the Notifications on) and set Privacy options... - Subscription rules - subscribe_policy to Require approval and don't approve unwanted subscriptions. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with Mailman configuration
On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, Keith Blackie wrote: I have a mailing list that I need to setup. This mailing list will comprise of several hundred addresses that will be subscribed by using the mass subscription function. I need the following in place: 1) Only admins, moderators and list owner may post to mailing list - all other posts are deleted Short answer: Make all new members moderated by default and set member moderation action to either reject or discard (both of these are in PrivacySender filters). Then unmoderate those who are allowed to post. Long answer: There is an FAQ on one-way lists. http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030685 2) Sender is anonymous Anonymous_list in General options. 3) Recipients may reply to the email and it will be sent to the admin and/or moderator and list owner In General Options, set it to strip any reply-to addresses, then set the reply-to to a specific address and set the address to reply to. I suggest listname-ow...@example.com (obviously substitute listname ane example.com as appropriate). 4) No subscription notification or unsub notification should be sent This is also in General Options - admin_notify_mchanges 5) Unsubscribe recipient immediately if email address fails and notify admin and/or moderator and list owner I assume you mean if the address bounces during normal list use. This would probably require changes to Mailman's bounce processing. You could set the bounce threshold very low and it will suspend delivery with a notificatio, but it won't unsubscribe them immediately. 6) Users may not subscribe I think this can be done but not sure exactly how. Maybe by banning everyone? I vaguely recall a simpler way but it's not coming to me. 7) Users may unsubscribe themselves This is normal. This is on a server for which I have only the administrative access to my mailing lists. I hope I can get this in place and working properly, or at least something close. The above should be possible without access to the shell. If you want to hack the bounce processing then this will require shell access and will of course affect all lists. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] {Spam?} Re: Help with Mailman configuration
Geoff Shang wrote: On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, Keith Blackie wrote: 5) Unsubscribe recipient immediately if email address fails and notify admin and/or moderator and list owner I assume you mean if the address bounces during normal list use. This would probably require changes to Mailman's bounce processing. You could set the bounce threshold very low and it will suspend delivery with a notificatio, but it won't unsubscribe them immediately. It will if bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings = 0 No hack necessary. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] How to know what announce was sent?
Hi. I'm looking forward an way to know what lists was used in a specific day. For example, how to know if any message was sent to myl...@contact.example.com ? My lists are announces list only. I have to write a software to identify if a announce was sent, and check the Postfix log informations (errors and accepted) with the members list from Mailman, and, of course, generate a report to list members that hasn't received the announce because an error and members that are ok. No problem with Postfix log files, but I don't know how to verify the moment that an announce was sent, how many times in a day, which one, etc. []s Alexander Brazil - Rio de Janeiro This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to know what announce was sent?
alexan...@nautae.eti.brweote: I'm looking forward an way to know what lists was used in a specific day. For example, how to know if any message was sent to myl...@contact.example.com ? My lists are announces list only. Mailman's 'post' log contains an entry like Jun 16 16:06:44 2010 (9604) post to list-name from pos...@example.com, size=3347, message-id=, success for every post. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with Mailman configuration
Geoff Mark I appreciate the info. I'll try the settings and see if everything works as I need it to. Thanks Keith Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with Mailman configuration On Wed, 16 Jun 2010, Keith Blackie wrote: I have a mailing list that I need to setup. This mailing list will comprise of several hundred addresses that will be subscribed by using the mass subscription function. I need the following in place: 1) Only admins, moderators and list owner may post to mailing list - all other posts are deleted Short answer: Make all new members moderated by default and set member moderation action to either reject or discard (both of these are in PrivacySender filters). Then unmoderate those who are allowed to post. Long answer: There is an FAQ on one-way lists. http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030685 2) Sender is anonymous Anonymous_list in General options. 3) Recipients may reply to the email and it will be sent to the admin and/or moderator and list owner In General Options, set it to strip any reply-to addresses, then set the reply-to to a specific address and set the address to reply to. I suggest listname-ow...@example.com (obviously substitute listname ane example.com as appropriate). 4) No subscription notification or unsub notification should be sent This is also in General Options - admin_notify_mchanges 5) Unsubscribe recipient immediately if email address fails and notify admin and/or moderator and list owner I assume you mean if the address bounces during normal list use. This would probably require changes to Mailman's bounce processing. You could set the bounce threshold very low and it will suspend delivery with a notificatio, but it won't unsubscribe them immediately. 6) Users may not subscribe I think this can be done but not sure exactly how. Maybe by banning everyone? I vaguely recall a simpler way but it's not coming to me. 7) Users may unsubscribe themselves This is normal. This is on a server for which I have only the administrative access to my mailing lists. I hope I can get this in place and working properly, or at least something close. The above should be possible without access to the shell. If you want to hack the bounce processing then this will require shell access and will of course affect all lists. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
