[Mailman-Users] text/plain flowed wrapping
HI Folks, I'm trying to track down where a spurious ! is being injected into a number of lines in a text/plain message that is being wrapped at about 990 chars. The ! doesn't appear in the copy in the archive, just the email that is sent out. I've been lookin in the code in pythonlib/email and pythonlib/smtplib but can't see anything glaring. The only mention of RFC3676 is in Handler/Scrubber which appears to be the relevant RFC. Anythoughts? Cheers Steve For example (all chars converted to 'a' due to sensitivity of original): aa aaa aa aa aaa aaa, aaa aa aa aaa aa 2007/08 aa aaa aaa a, aa a aaa aaa. aaa a aa a aa aaa aa , a aaa aaa a aa aa (aaa), a.a. a aa aa aaa a aa aaa a aa aa a aa-. aa aaa a aa aaa , a aaa aa aa aa aaa aaa; aa aa aaa aa aa aaa . aaa aaa aa aaa aaa aa 'aaa ', aa aaa aaa aaa a, aaa aa aaa a a a a a aaa aa a aa aa a aaa aaa aaa aa a aaa aaa a - a aa aa aaa a aaa 5- a aa aaa aaa aaa a, a aa aaa aa (aaa). aa aaa aa, aa was a aaa aaa aaa aaa 'aaa' aa (aaa aaa aa aaa) a aa aa aaa aa a a aa aa aaa aaa. a aaa aaa aaa a aaa aaa a aaa , aaa aa aaa aa a, aa aaa aa- a aaa. becomes aa aaa aa aa aaa aaa, aaa aa aa aaa aa 2007/08 aa aaa aaa a, aa a aaa aaa. aaa a aa a aa aaa aa , a aaa aaa a aa aa (aaa), a.a. a aa aa aaa a aa aaa a aa aa a aa-. aa aaa a aa aaa , a aaa aa aa aa aaa aaa; aa aa aaa aa aa aaa . aaa aaa aa aaa aaa aa 'aaa ', aa aaa aaa aaa a, aaa aa aaa a a a a a aaa aa a aa aa a aaa aaa aaa aa a aaa aaa a - a aa aa aaa a aaa 5- a aa aaa aaa aaa a, a aa aaa aa (aaa). aa aaa aa, aa wa! s a aaa aaa aaa aaa 'aaa' aa (aaa aaa aa aaa) a aa aa aaa aa a a aa aa aaa aaa. a aaa aaa aaa a aaa aaa a aaa , aaa aa aaa aa a, aa aaa aa- a aaa. -- Steve FosterEmail: s.p.fos...@leeds.ac.uk -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Django itegration
Hi all, Anybody done the django_mailman thing? I'm sure the documentation could be a bit better. Any help appreciated. Tim -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] text/plain flowed wrapping
* Steve Foster s.p.fos...@leeds.ac.uk: HI Folks, I'm trying to track down where a spurious ! is being injected into a number of lines in a text/plain message that is being wrapped at about 990 chars. The ! doesn't appear in the copy in the archive, just the email that is sent out. I've been lookin in the code in pythonlib/email and pythonlib/smtplib but can't see anything glaring. The only mention of RFC3676 is in Handler/Scrubber which appears to be the relevant RFC. Anythoughts? Sounds like an MTA issue. Have you checked that? Should be easy using tcpdump or something along these lines. -- Ralf Hildebrandt Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Campus Benjamin Franklin Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de | http://www.charite.de -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] text/plain flowed wrapping
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: Sounds like an MTA issue. Have you checked that? Should be easy using tcpdump or something along these lines. Already tested that one, put the message through a server with identical setup MTA (except no Mailman) and the message was flowed correctly without the '!'. Cheers Steve -- Steve FosterEmail: s.p.fos...@leeds.ac.uk Unix team Phone: 0113 343 7225 Information Systems ServicesFax: 0113 343 5411 University of Leeds Leeds LS2 9JT -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] text/plain flowed wrapping
* Steve Foster s.p.fos...@leeds.ac.uk: On Tue, 30 Nov 2010, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: Sounds like an MTA issue. Have you checked that? Should be easy using tcpdump or something along these lines. Already tested that one, put the message through a server with identical setup MTA (except no Mailman) and the message was flowed correctly without the '!'. Because 990 Characters is usually the line length limit of an MTA, so I guessed some MAT would truncate (truncate or just insert the !?) the message... -- Ralf Hildebrandt Geschäftsbereich IT | Abteilung Netzwerk Charité - Universitätsmedizin Berlin Campus Benjamin Franklin Hindenburgdamm 30 | D-12203 Berlin Tel. +49 30 450 570 155 | Fax: +49 30 450 570 962 ralf.hildebra...@charite.de | http://www.charite.de -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] text/plain flowed wrapping
On 11/30/2010 7:44 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: * Steve Foster s.p.fos...@leeds.ac.uk: HI Folks, I'm trying to track down where a spurious ! is being injected into a number of lines in a text/plain message that is being wrapped at about 990 chars. The ! doesn't appear in the copy in the archive, just the email that is sent out. I've been lookin in the code in pythonlib/email and pythonlib/smtplib but can't see anything glaring. The only mention of RFC3676 is in Handler/Scrubber which appears to be the relevant RFC. Anythoughts? Sounds like an MTA issue. Have you checked that? Should be easy using tcpdump or something along these lines. It could be an MTA issue, but it seems to me more likely to be an MUA issue. The reason I think it is not as likely to be an MTA is if the original is Format=flowed, it would have no long lines so there would be no reason for an MTA to do anything to the message in transmission. It is clearly not a Mailman/Python issue, at least with the versions in use by this list, since the OP as delivered to me from the list and viewed with Thunderbird did not show any spurious ! or line break in the before example text. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] text/plain flowed wrapping
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010, Mark Sapiro wrote: On 11/30/2010 7:44 AM, Ralf Hildebrandt wrote: Sounds like an MTA issue. Have you checked that? Should be easy using tcpdump or something along these lines. It could be an MTA issue, but it seems to me more likely to be an MUA issue. The reason I think it is not as likely to be an MTA is if the original is Format=flowed, it would have no long lines so there would be no reason for an MTA to do anything to the message in transmission. Just been looking at this in more detail, the message is being sent with the headers: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The encoding is maintained through the Mailman queues and handlers. At some point between it leaving Mailman and coming out the other end of the MTA (sendmail) the encoding gets mangled. I'll dig a bit more deeply in the MTA and see if its playing silly beggers. Cheers Steve -- Steve FosterEmail: s.p.fos...@leeds.ac.uk Unix team Phone: 0113 343 7225 Information Systems ServicesFax: 0113 343 5411 University of Leeds Leeds LS2 9JT -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Django itegration
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 09:01:15 -0800, Tim w...@govanhillbaths.com wrote: Hi all, Anybody done the django_mailman thing? I'm sure the documentation could be a bit better. Any help appreciated. Tim Not personally. However, if you add Mailman to your Python path, in your Django views you can just do things like from Mailman import MailList or from Mailman import Utils, which might be a better choice depending on what you want to do. -- Chris -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman - trouble creating a second list at an existing virtual host
snipped [...] Will I always have to manually post entries into virtual-mailman or is that supposed to happen somewhere along the way? Is there a terminal command line I missed or could have run in addition to cause this to happen automatically? On 11/29/10 6:28 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: It should happen automatically. I suspect it didn't in your case because of certain case-sensitivities which are really bugs. If you make all your domain names in mm_cfg.py, i.e. DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST, additional domains in add_virtualhost() and domains in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS, all lower case and use all lower case in -u options to newlist or fix_url. Everything should work. The underlying bug is that domains in add_virtualhost() directives are lower-cased by Mailman but are matched case-sensitively to POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS so if the POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS domains are mixed or upper case, they don't match. If you make everything lower case and run fix_url with a lower case -u domain and then run genaliases, you should be OK. Note that manually editing virtual-mailman is unsafe because if genaliases is ever run, your changes will be lost. Thanks again Mark. Yes, I contributed to the problem because I like to use MLDfamily (mixed case) in the user viewable emails and tend to follow that behind the scenes. Right now I have manually entered the aliases into virtual-mailman. You indicated this could be a problem with the next run of genaliases. The original list and the new one are both at lists.MLDfamily.org. (note CAPS). I ran genaliases and the list remained intact with entries updated in virtual-mailman. Should I stand down and assume my rickety path to functionality will hold up - or should I delete the list and start over? If I start over I would not want to upset the apple cart on the original list at lists.MLDfamily.org so I would use that mixed case virtual host for the re-creation of the new list. I promise if I ever add any new virtual domains everything will be lower case! Thanks, Dean -- Dean Suhr President MLD Foundation 21345 Miles Drive West Linn, OR 97068-2878 USA 1+503-656-4808 or 1-800-617-8387 Complete MLD information at: www.MLDfoundation.org Celebrating our tenth year of serving families! Please watch this awareness video and pass it along: http://mldfoundation.org/awareness-video.html -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman - trouble creating a second list at anexisting virtual host
Dean Suhr wrote: Yes, I contributed to the problem because I like to use MLDfamily (mixed case) in the user viewable emails and tend to follow that behind the scenes. Right now I have manually entered the aliases into virtual-mailman. You indicated this could be a problem with the next run of genaliases. Yes, because genaliases will remove all entries from aliases and virtual-mailman and then rebuild aliases for all lists and virtual-mailman for only those lists whose host_name is found in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS. The above is the key here. If your domains are mixed case in add_virtualhost() and POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS, creating the list and possibly running fix_url will produce a list with its host_name attribute lower cased which will not match POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS and thus will not create virtual-mailman entries. If however you then manually change host_name on the list admin General Options page (or via config_list) to match the case of the domain in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS and run genaliases, that will create the virtual-mailman entries. The original list and the new one are both at lists.MLDfamily.org. (note CAPS). I ran genaliases and the list remained intact with entries updated in virtual-mailman. Should I stand down and assume my rickety path to functionality will hold up - or should I delete the list and start over? Presumably, you did what I suggest above, i.e., change the case of the list's host_name before running genaliases. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
