Re: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives

2010-12-09 Thread Odhiambo Washington
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Liste Yoneticisi liste...@metu.edu.trwrote:

 Hello;

 I am trying to implement a search tool for Mailman Archives.

 In our system, there are more than 400 lists, and the size of their
 archives vary, since there are more than 10 years old lists addition to new
 lists.

 There are several alternatives.
 htdig, xapian etc.


There is no harm in installing and testing all of them until you find one
you are happy with.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives

2010-12-09 Thread Paul Tomblin
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Liste Yoneticisi liste...@metu.edu.tr wrote:
 In our system, there are more than 400 lists, and the size of their archives
 vary, since there are more than 10 years old lists addition to new lists.

 There are several alternatives.
 htdig, xapian etc.

If you find one that allows you to still use the mailman login system
so that only members of a list can view the archives, please let me
know.  I looked at a few archive searchers, but it appears they all
either make the list archives public, or you can do a htaccess thing
which will require you to change the password every time somebody
leaves the list and tell all the current members the new password,
etc.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives

2010-12-09 Thread Liste Yoneticisi
I meant private archives, which can be reached after submiting an e-mail 
and password.


09.12.2010 14:49, Paul Tomblin yazmış:

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 2:29 AM, Liste Yoneticisiliste...@metu.edu.tr  wrote:

In our system, there are more than 400 lists, and the size of their archives
vary, since there are more than 10 years old lists addition to new lists.

There are several alternatives.
htdig, xapian etc.


If you find one that allows you to still use the mailman login system
so that only members of a list can view the archives, please let me
know.  I looked at a few archive searchers, but it appears they all
either make the list archives public, or you can do a htaccess thing
which will require you to change the password every time somebody
leaves the list and tell all the current members the new password,
etc.




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Re: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives

2010-12-09 Thread Adam McGreggor
On Thu, Dec 09, 2010 at 07:49:47AM -0500, Paul Tomblin wrote:
 I looked at a few archive searchers, but it appears they all
 either make the list archives public, or you can do a htaccess thing
 which will require you to change the password every time somebody
 leaves the list and tell all the current members the new password,
 etc.

One could, always, re-implement the login system c, but there's still
the scope that authentication methods probably won't prevent
(authorized) people from taking copies of the data, for example.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives

2010-12-09 Thread Christopher X. Candreva
On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Liste Yoneticisi wrote:

 Hello;
 
 I am trying to implement a search tool for Mailman Archives.

I've always liked swish for indexing web sites and mailing list archives

http://www.swish-e.org/

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives

2010-12-09 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Thu, 2010-12-09 at 07:49 -0500, Paul Tomblin wrote:
 If you find one that allows you to still use the mailman login system
 so that only members of a list can view the archives, please let me
 know.  I looked at a few archive searchers, but it appears they all
 either make the list archives public, or you can do a htaccess thing
 which will require you to change the password every time somebody
 leaves the list and tell all the current members the new password,
 etc.

About three years ago I worked out a complete system for integrating
Namazu with Mailman, and it's still successfully in use on my production
servers.   You can find it at http://www.fmp.com/namazu.  This is the
guts of the system.  I've subsequently added the ability to mailman to
read the index.html file in the Pipermail archive in a PHP context which
allows the use of an accessory list of lists which are authorized to use
the namazu search, while others don't offer this ability.

There are a few glitches in this, since the integration of namazu and
mailman is imperfect by nature.  Keep in mind that all this was written
three years ago, for a previous version of Mailman.  Additionally,
Namazu's date sort is, or was, dependent on the file dates in the
pipermail structure, rather than parsing dates from files, so if you
move your archives to a new system the date sort becomes quite broken if
the file creation dates are munged.  This is a namazu issue.  The author
of Namazu struggles with English, and I have no knowledge of Japanese,
so I wasn't able to get very far in resolving this.

I put quite a lot of work into this project, but have moved on and am
doing other things, so if someone with the knowledge and skills to do so
wants to grab it and run with it, updating it and improving it, please
have at.  I've forgotten a lot of the details that went into the design
of this, although the project contains a lot of documentation which I
wrote at the time, so if you have problems, read the code and figure it
out if you can.  Don't ask me for support.  Just make any necessary
changes or improvements, send them to me, and I'll post them to the
collection on the web server.

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[Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working

2010-12-09 Thread Roger D. Leonard
Hi,

I recently set up a mailman server for internal use and as list owner I am 
getting confirmation emails for every posting even though I set 
DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION = 0 in all the lists and restarted mailman.

I'm missing something here.  How do I get it to accept all emails from 
non-members without list owner intervention?

Thanks

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[Mailman-Users] Apache/Browser/Cookie-Problem?

2010-12-09 Thread Tobias Koopmann
Hello there,

i'm relativ new to Mailman.
Now I've got following Software working
Apache + Mailman 2.1.13 + Postfix on Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
Apache-configuration:

# Sample configuration for Debian mailman with Apache

# We can find mailman here:
#ScriptAlias /cgi-bin/mailman/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/
# And the public archives:
Alias /pipermail/ /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
# Logos:
Alias /images/mailman/ /usr/share/images/mailman/

# Use this if you don't want the cgi-bin component in your URL:
# In case you want to access mailman through a shorter URL you should enable
# this:
ScriptAlias /mailman/ /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/
# In this case you need to set the DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN in
# /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py to http://%s/mailman/ for the cookie
# authentication code to work.  Note that you need to change the base
# URL for all the already-created lists as well.

Directory /usr/lib/cgi-bin/mailman/
AllowOverride None
Options ExecCGI
AddHandler cgi-script .cgi
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
/Directory
Directory /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/
Options Indexes FollowSymlinks
AllowOverride None
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
/Directory
Directory /usr/share/images/mailman/
AllowOverride None
Order allow,deny
Allow from all
/Directory

Now my Problem is the following:
After a user subscribes to a mailinglist and opens the confirmation link and
clicks the confirmation button hes got redirected to an Enter confirmation
cookie-Page. But after entering the confirmation cookie nothing happens,
the same page is shown again.

Other ActionButtons also don't work.

By the way I redirect all Requests on Port 80 to 443. So all actions happens
over https. I hope that's no problem...

Greetz.

Tobias
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives

2010-12-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
Liste Yoneticisi wrote:

Is there a practical tool which I can just install and implement, or is 
there an additional patch need?


See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/MoA9

For public archives you could just install a search engine along side
Mailman or use one of the public archiving sites with search
capability.

To privately search private archves or to integrate searching (e.g. a
search form on the archive TOC pages) requires patches in Mailman 2.1.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives

2010-12-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
Lindsay Haisley wrote:


Additionally,
Namazu's date sort is, or was, dependent on the file dates in the
pipermail structure, rather than parsing dates from files, so if you
move your archives to a new system the date sort becomes quite broken if
the file creation dates are munged.


See the script at http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/update_archive_mtime
(mirrored at
http://fog.ccsf.edu/~msapiro/scripts/update_archive_mtime) for a way
to set the file times by parsing dates from the files.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Search tool for Mailman Archives

2010-12-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
Paul Tomblin wrote:

If you find one that allows you to still use the mailman login system
so that only members of a list can view the archives, please let me
know.


Lindsay Haisley has replied with one. See the patches at
https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/266553 and
https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/266554 for another.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working

2010-12-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
Roger D. Leonard wrote:

I recently set up a mailman server for internal use and as list owner I am 
getting confirmation emails for every posting even though I set 
DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION = 0 in all the lists and restarted mailman.


DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION is the default setting for newly
created lists. Changing it has no effect on any existing list.

Go to the web admin interface Privacy options... - Sender filters and
set generic_nonmember_action to Accept or use bin/config_list to set

generic_nonmember_action = 0

for the list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Apache/Browser/Cookie-Problem?

2010-12-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
Tobias Koopmann wrote:

Now my Problem is the following:
After a user subscribes to a mailinglist and opens the confirmation link and
clicks the confirmation button hes got redirected to an Enter confirmation
cookie-Page. But after entering the confirmation cookie nothing happens,
the same page is shown again.

Other ActionButtons also don't work.

By the way I redirect all Requests on Port 80 to 443. So all actions happens
over https. I hope that's no problem...


That is exactly the problem. The redirect loses all the POST data. See
the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/x/7oA9 for instructions on changing
the scheme from http to https in Mailman URLs.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working

2010-12-09 Thread Roger D. Leonard
Thanks mark, 

I did that and it still does it.  looking at the config shows it as 0 as well. 
I even restarted mailman. that's what has me baffled.  see output of 
config_list attached.  is there another setting I need to change?


thanks

roger

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From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 10:39 AM
To: Roger D. Leonard; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working

Roger D. Leonard wrote:

I recently set up a mailman server for internal use and as list owner I am 
getting confirmation emails for every posting even though I set 
DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION = 0 in all the lists and restarted mailman.


DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION is the default setting for newly
created lists. Changing it has no effect on any existing list.

Go to the web admin interface Privacy options... - Sender filters and
set generic_nonmember_action to Accept or use bin/config_list to set

generic_nonmember_action = 0

for the list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working

2010-12-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
Roger D. Leonard wrote:

I did that and it still does it.  looking at the config shows it as 0 as well.
I even restarted mailman. that's what has me baffled.  see output of 
config_list
attached.  is there another setting I need to change?


For what reason are the messages being held? What does the
confirmation email you receive say?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working

2010-12-09 Thread Roger D. Leonard
Heres a message from another list that just did it.

The havana-inter...@lists.vivisimo.com mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting 
for your consideration at:

http://lists.vivisimo.com/mailman/admindb/havana-internal

Please attend to this at your earliest convenience.  This notice of pending 
requests, if any, will be sent out daily.


Pending posts:
From: t...@hav-secureci.vivisimo.com on Wed Dec  8 20:43:36 2010
Subject: Re: [HAVANA] #206: Corrupt sqlite database after server crash
Cause: Message has implicit destination





-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net] 
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 11:30 AM
To: Roger D. Leonard; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working

Roger D. Leonard wrote:

I did that and it still does it.  looking at the config shows it as 0 as well.
I even restarted mailman. that's what has me baffled.  see output of 
config_list
attached.  is there another setting I need to change?


For what reason are the messages being held? What does the
confirmation email you receive say?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working

2010-12-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
Roger D. Leonard wrote:

Heres a message from another list that just did it.
[...]
Pending posts:
From: t...@hav-secureci.vivisimo.com on Wed Dec  8 20:43:36 2010
Subject: Re: [HAVANA] #206: Corrupt sqlite database after server crash
Cause: Message has implicit destination


This message was held because the list was not explicitly addressed in
a To: or Cc: header of the post. See the settings
require_explicit_destination and acceptable_aliases on the Privacy
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Re: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working

2010-12-09 Thread Geoff Shang

On Thu, 9 Dec 2010, Roger D. Leonard wrote:

I'm missing something here.  How do I get it to accept all emails from 
non-members without list owner intervention?


Apart from what people have already told you, if you want to make a list 
accept *all* non-member postings, you'll also need to set the max number 
of recipients to 0 (unlimited) in Privacy/Recipient Filters, and also set 
the max message size to 0 (unlimited) in General settings.


Geoff.

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[Mailman-Users] authors

2010-12-09 Thread Troy Knabe
I have an administrator requesting a list of everyone who has sent an
email to their list.  Is there any way to quickly obtain that information?
This is a public list that lots of non-members send to.

 

Thanks

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Re: [Mailman-Users] authors

2010-12-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
Troy Knabe wrote:

I have an administrator requesting a list of everyone who has sent an
email to their list.  Is there any way to quickly obtain that information?
This is a public list that lots of non-members send to.


 grep From  $var_prefix/archives/private/$list.mbox/$list.mbox | \
 awk '{print $2}' | sort -u

where $var_prefix is the path to Mailman's archives/ directory and
$list is the list name.

This will get an unduplicated list of the envelope senders of all posts
that made it to the list.

Also, if you don't rotate Mailman's logs, you could get similar
information from the 'post' log.

If you want all senders of any message to the list regardless of
whether or not it was accepted, you'd need to get that from the MTA
log if it goes back far enough.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working

2010-12-09 Thread Roger D. Leonard
Thank you mark.  I will make these changes.  I am very new at mailman and I 
appreciate you helping me out.

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Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 11:47 AM
To: Roger D. Leonard; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] DEFAULT_GENERIC_NONMEMBER_ACTION not working

Roger D. Leonard wrote:

Heres a message from another list that just did it.
[...]
Pending posts:
From: t...@hav-secureci.vivisimo.com on Wed Dec  8 20:43:36 2010
Subject: Re: [HAVANA] #206: Corrupt sqlite database after server crash
Cause: Message has implicit destination


This message was held because the list was not explicitly addressed in
a To: or Cc: header of the post. See the settings
require_explicit_destination and acceptable_aliases on the Privacy
options... - Recipient filters page.   

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[Mailman-Users] Pruning archived messages

2010-12-09 Thread Rick Morrison
I've been asked to restrict our group's Mailman list to showing only the
last six months of archives. Is there any way to remove archived messages
older than a certain date and reflect that removal in the archive header's
index.html file?

Thanks,
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[Mailman-Users] change privacy options globally

2010-12-09 Thread fantome2...@gmail.com
Hi I have multiple administrator and I want to set the option under Privacy
Options What steps are required for subscription? Require Approval to the
default when the list is created.  Does anyone know how to change this
properly in the code for it to work? I've been trying to change it in
Privacy.py with no success.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] authors

2010-12-09 Thread Glenn Sieb
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On 12/9/10 5:36 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
  grep From  $var_prefix/archives/private/$list.mbox/$list.mbox | \
  awk '{print $2}' | sort -u

Wouldn't

grep ^From ...

(or egrep, depending on your toolkit)

work better? Otherwise you grab any sentences that begin with From  as
well.. like From what I've heard...

Of course you'll still get blank lineFrom ... if people have
something similar for quote attributions.

Best,
- --Glenn
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Re: [Mailman-Users] authors

2010-12-09 Thread Glenn Sieb
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On 12/9/10 5:36 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
  grep From  $var_prefix/archives/private/$list.mbox/$list.mbox | \
  awk '{print $2}' | sort -u

Actually.. a google netted me this...

awk 'empty{if (/^From /) print $2; empty=0} /^$/{empty=1}' $list.mbox |
sort -u

It's not perfect. For instance, if the mbox has From Glenn Sieb
g...@wingfoot.org lines... but it does only match blank lineFrom 

Anywho... something to tuck away for some future need.. :)

Thanks for all you do, Mark!

Best,
- --Glenn
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Pruning archived messages

2010-12-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
Rick Morrison wrote:

I've been asked to restrict our group's Mailman list to showing only the
last six months of archives. Is there any way to remove archived messages
older than a certain date and reflect that removal in the archive header's
index.html file?


Edit the archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file to remove
all the older messages. If you don't care about keeping the older
messages at all, just edit the file in place and then run Mailman's

bin/arch --wipe listname

to rebuild the archive. If you do want to keep the old messages, There
are multiple ways to proceed. I suggest keeping
archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox as the full archive and
saving the pruned file as say
archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox.recent and then
rebuilding the archive with

bin/arch --wipe listname
archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox.recent

(all on one line)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] authors

2010-12-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
Glenn Sieb wrote:

On 12/9/10 5:36 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
  grep From  $var_prefix/archives/private/$list.mbox/$list.mbox | \
  awk '{print $2}' | sort -u

Wouldn't

grep ^From ...

(or egrep, depending on your toolkit)

work better?


Actually, ^From  is what I intended, but I mistyped it.


Otherwise you grab any sentences that begin with From  as
well.. like From what I've heard...

Of course you'll still get blank lineFrom ... if people have
something similar for quote attributions.


All such lines in message bodies should be escaped as From ... in
the .mbox file so they aren't misinterpreted as message separators.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] change privacy options globally

2010-12-09 Thread Mark Sapiro
fantome2...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi I have multiple administrator and I want to set the option under Privacy
Options What steps are required for subscription? Require Approval to the
default when the list is created.  Does anyone know how to change this
properly in the code for it to work? I've been trying to change it in
Privacy.py with no success.


Put

DEFAULT_SUBSCRIBE_POLICY = 2

in mm_cfg.py. You can read the documentation for this and almost all
other mm_cfg.py configuration settings in Defaults.py.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman list sends but doesn't receive mail.

2010-12-09 Thread JRC Groups
Mark,


Again, I can't thank you enough. The list(s) are up and running. I wouldn't
have been able to get it to work had it not been for your help.

I also want to thank those who responded either through the list or
privately with helpful answers to my Unix-related questions. Your answers
have helped me find my way around Unix and motivated me to further improve
my understanding of it.

There are a few things I still need to tweak and I thought I would ask you a
few additional questions. I hope you don't mind.

Question 1.

I have created two additional lists for a total of three that I created plus
one that Apple's own Server Admin requires (a list named Mailman). Using the
web interface to check the lists hosted by my domain I find conflicting
results. This is what I have:

http://www.domain.com/mailman/listinfo

ListDescription
List 1  [no description available]
List 2  [no description available]

http://domain.com/mailman/listinfo

ListDescription
List 3  [no description available]
List 4  [no description available]

Shouldn't both www.domain.com and domain.com lead to the same results ? How
can I make the necessary corrections so that both addresses are
interchangeable and lead to the same results ?

Question 2.

As I made an attempt to create lists using the Mailman's web interface
instead of Apple's Server Admin I couldn't get it done. Mailman kept
returning an error message stating I didn't have permission to create lists.
I tried numerous different passwords including the admin password for my
server but it wouldn't work.

What have I done wrong ?

Thank you again for all your help.


Joe



On 12/8/10 6:07 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

 JRC Groups wrote:
 
 I sent the message and this is what the log in Server Admin shows:
 
 Dec  8 17:48:13 dentserv postfix/smtpd[37996]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT from
 mail-gw0-f52.google.com[74.125.83.52]: 450 4.7.1
 implants-requ...@3wforum.com: Recipient address rejected: Service is
 unavailable; from=joemailgro...@gmail.com
 to=implants-requ...@3wforum.com proto=ESMTP helo=mail-gw0-f52.google.com
 Dec  8 17:48:13 dentserv postfix/smtpd[37996]: disconnect from
 mail-gw0-f52.google.com[74.125.83.52]
  
 This is Apple Postfix's greylisting at work. googlemail should retry
 the send after a few minutes and it should succeed. See, e.g.,
 http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=10151235.
  
 Try running
 
   sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/check_perms -f
 
 If it runs cleanly (don't worry about the warning about
 archives/private being world searchable) logging and archiving should
 work.
 
 I ran it and the following is the output:
 
 dentserv:~ locadmin$ sudo /usr/share/mailman/bin/check_perms -f
 Password:
 Warning: Private archive directory is other-executable (o+x).
 This could allow other users on your system to read private
 archives.
 If you're on a shared multiuser system, you should consult the
 installation manual on how to fix this.
 
 This is the warning I meant to ignore.
  
 /private/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman.db owned by root (must be owned by
 _mailman (fixing)
 /private/var/mailman/data/virtual-mailman.db permissions must be 066x (got
 0100640) (fixing)
 Problems found: 2
 Re-run as _mailman (or root) with -f flag to fix
  
 You already ran it via sudo with -f so the problems with
 virtual-mailman.db should be fixed now.


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