Re: [Mailman-Users] Solaris 10 and Python
-Original Message- From: mailman-users-bounces+s.watkins=nhm.ac...@python.org [mailto:mailman-users-bounces+s.watkins=nhm.ac...@python.org] On Behalf Of McNutt Jr, William R Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 8:53 PM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Solaris 10 and Python Has anyone successfully made this work on a Sun Solaris 10? I've been at this for three days and no matter what I do, I only manage to change error messages. At this point I've made it through the ./configure step, but it's breaking on make install. Any chance you can post what the failure message your make session returns? [this is me busily digging a very deep hole from which I may never return!] At this point, with no further info, I'm guessing it's most likely that you've probably not got your binary search path or your link library path setup to pick up all the things that make needs. A side question: is this list the best place to discuss mailman build issues? If not, then someone please squeal and the line of banter can be taken off-list. Steff - -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] List Membership Change
I'm still cleaning up after my hardware failure, and I've got a list admin who is complaining about his membership list. Now - what I did was just copy the /lists/* from the old server to the new one and run ./withlist -l -r fix_url LIST_NAME -u new-domain.example.org And bin/arch mylist archives/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox for each list. The complaint follows: We went from 340 members to 465 in one list and from 102 to 59 in the other. Is there anything else I can do? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] List Membership Change
McNutt Jr, William R wrote: Now - what I did was just copy the /lists/* from the old server to the new one and run ./withlist -l -r fix_url LIST_NAME -u new-domain.example.org And bin/arch mylist archives/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox Presumably, you also restored the archives/private/ directory. The bin/arch you should have run is just bin/arch --wipe mylist The mailbox archives/private/mylist.mbox/mylist.mbox is the default so you don't need it in the command. You do need the --wipe, otherwise you are adding the posts from the mbox to those that may already exist in the pipermail archive. for each list. The complaint follows: We went from 340 members to 465 in one list and from 102 to 59 in the other. Is there anything else I can do? What files exactly did you restore in the lists/LISTNAME/ directory. If there were any config.db* files, these are old residue from a 2.0.x to 2.1.x migration and should be removed. The potential issue is if permissions or possibly some other error prevents the config.pck and fallback config.pck.last from being successfully loaded, Mailman will fall back to the ancient config.db or config.db.last. If this is what happened, you need to recopy the config.pck from backup and rempove config.pck.last and config.db*. If that doesn't help or if there were no config.db* files, then I don't know what the problem could be. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Solaris 10 and Python
Steff Watkins wrote: A side question: is this list the best place to discuss mailman build issues? If not, then someone please squeal and the line of banter can be taken off-list. It's a grey area for Mailman 2.1.x, but it's OK here. The alternative is mailman-develop...@python.org, but most of the prior solaris discussion, and there's been a lot, has been here. For Mailman 3, mailman-developers is the place at least until there's a production release. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution ..
Khalil Abbas wrote: checking some random files in the /var/spool/mailman/bounces/*.pck I found : ** This is the qmail-send program at __.\nI\'m afraid I wasn\'t able to deliver your message to the following addresses.\nThis is a permanent error; I\'ve given up. Sorry it didn\'t work out.\n\n___ (hotmail.fr address) :\nConnected to 65.54.188.110 but sender was rejected.\nRemote host said: 421 RP-001 Unfortunately, some messages from weren\'t sent. Please try again. We have limits for how many messages can be sent per hour and per day. You can also refer to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.\nI\'m not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long. ** checking the error code 421 RP-001 on hotmail I found: *** The mail server IP connecting to Windows Live Hotmail server has exceeded the rate limit allowed. Reason for rate limitation is related to IP/domain reputation. If you are not an email/network admin please contact your Email/Internet Service Provider for help. *** so it is a rate limit no? Yes it is. But, hotmail is limiting the rate by returning a 421 status which is retryable, but qmail on the relay host is either giving up too soon, or you will never be able to deliver all your mail no matter what you do. what can be done about this? it says something about ip/domain reputation, is it my domain's reputation or my service provider's relay server's reputation? It's your service provider's relay server. I'm surprised they haven't cut you off. Consider that hotmail is rate limiting that server and rejecting (with 421) mail over the limit. This would affect not only your list mail, but mail to hotmail from any other customer of the service provider being sent at the same time. Now, consider what is happening. The relay server gives up retrying the 421 because the message has been in the queue too long. Either it's give up time is way to short, something only the service provider can adjust, but maybe you can tell from when the rejected message was sent, or it keeps retrying for more than a day. If the latter, the implication would seem that hotmail's rate limit does not allow for all the days messages to be delivered in a day. The only solution to that is to get hotmail to raise the rate limit, and only the service provider can do that. Now, there is one other point. When you resubscribed, you got all your notices, so mail sent to one recipient at a time seems to get through. You can cause Mailman to send more messages with fewer recipients per message by putting say SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10 in mm_cfg.py. That may help. Otherwise, I don't think there's much you can do except maybe convince your customers to reduce the frequency of their announcements. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution ..
I'm discussing this with my service provider right now.. I'll tell u what comes up.. by the way, what's the default value for SMTP_MAX_RCPTS ?? Thanks.. -Original Message- From: Mark Sapiro Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 9:00 PM To: Khalil Abbas ; mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution .. Khalil Abbas wrote: checking some random files in the /var/spool/mailman/bounces/*.pck I found : ** This is the qmail-send program at __.\nI\'m afraid I wasn\'t able to deliver your message to the following addresses.\nThis is a permanent error; I\'ve given up. Sorry it didn\'t work out.\n\n___ (hotmail.fr address) :\nConnected to 65.54.188.110 but sender was rejected.\nRemote host said: 421 RP-001 Unfortunately, some messages from weren\'t sent. Please try again. We have limits for how many messages can be sent per hour and per day. You can also refer to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors.\nI\'m not going to try again; this message has been in the queue too long. ** checking the error code 421 RP-001 on hotmail I found: *** The mail server IP connecting to Windows Live Hotmail server has exceeded the rate limit allowed. Reason for rate limitation is related to IP/domain reputation. If you are not an email/network admin please contact your Email/Internet Service Provider for help. *** so it is a rate limit no? Yes it is. But, hotmail is limiting the rate by returning a 421 status which is retryable, but qmail on the relay host is either giving up too soon, or you will never be able to deliver all your mail no matter what you do. what can be done about this? it says something about ip/domain reputation, is it my domain's reputation or my service provider's relay server's reputation? It's your service provider's relay server. I'm surprised they haven't cut you off. Consider that hotmail is rate limiting that server and rejecting (with 421) mail over the limit. This would affect not only your list mail, but mail to hotmail from any other customer of the service provider being sent at the same time. Now, consider what is happening. The relay server gives up retrying the 421 because the message has been in the queue too long. Either it's give up time is way to short, something only the service provider can adjust, but maybe you can tell from when the rejected message was sent, or it keeps retrying for more than a day. If the latter, the implication would seem that hotmail's rate limit does not allow for all the days messages to be delivered in a day. The only solution to that is to get hotmail to raise the rate limit, and only the service provider can do that. Now, there is one other point. When you resubscribed, you got all your notices, so mail sent to one recipient at a time seems to get through. You can cause Mailman to send more messages with fewer recipients per message by putting say SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 10 in mm_cfg.py. That may help. Otherwise, I don't think there's much you can do except maybe convince your customers to reduce the frequency of their announcements. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] control mail distribution ..
Khalil Abbas wrote: by the way, what's the default value for SMTP_MAX_RCPTS ?? All the settings default values and their documentation is in Defaults.py. # Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified in a single SMTP # transaction. Set to 0 to submit the entire recipient list in one # transaction. Only used with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE. SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
