Re: [Mailman-Users] Update: Server request addresses not active

2011-11-07 Thread Mark Sapiro 
Carlos Palomino wrote:

>As an update to this issue:
>
>We've discovered that replying to the verification emails also results in mail 
>rejection.
>
>Any ideas or exact details on what is wrong would be highly appreciated.


Your incoming MTA needs aliases or other programmatic instruction for
delivering to all 9 (-admin, -bounces, -confirm, -request, -owner,
-join, -leave, -subscribe and -unsubscribe) of the LISTNAME-*@...
addresses in addition to LISTNAME@

As Adam McGregor suggested, see section 6 of the installation manual at
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman violates RFC 1153?

2011-11-07 Thread Jonathan Kamens 

On 11/07/2011 10:24 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

Jonathan Kamens wrote:

He sent me a sample digest, which ends like this:

--

--
test mailing list
t...@lists.fedoraproject.org
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

End of test Digest, Vol 93, Issue 20


RFC 1153 has this to say about the digest trailer (emphasis added by me):

[...]

I looked at the mailman source code and it doesn't appear that the
Fedora Project is running a hacked version; it appears that the standard
Mailman source code inserts the list footer as shown above as part of
the digest trailer, in violation of the RFC.


And if you looked at the source, you should have seen the following
comment immediately preceding the adding of the footer.

# BAW: This is not strictly conformant RFC 1153.  The trailer is only
# supposed to contain two lines, i.e. the "End of ... Digest" line and
# the row of asterisks.  If this screws up MUAs, the solution is to
# add the footer as the last message in the RFC 1153 digest.  I just
# hate the way that VM does that and I think it's confusing to users,
# so don't do it unless there's a clamor.
LOL. Yes, I was looking right at that section of code, and my eyes just 
glossed right over the comment because my brain knew exactly what the 
code in question was doing and therefore saw no need to read the 
comments documenting it. D'oh.



I can and will work around this violation of the standard in my code,
but it makes the code significantly more complicated, and it's kind of
annoying to see the RFC being violated like this.


If you are intending to raise a clamor, you can file a bug report at
.
I have raised as much of a clamor as I intended to. "I just hate the way 
that VM does that" is not in my mind a legitimate reason to violate the 
RFC. If you agree, then you can create your own bug report and fix it. 
If you disagree, then there's no point in my creating one.

Suppose the above were changed to

  --

  Digest-Footer:

  --
  test mailing list
  t...@lists.fedoraproject.org
  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

  --

  End of test Digest, Vol 93, Issue 20
  

Would your code handle that or would it complain the Digest-Footer: is
not an allowable header and/or none of Date:, From:, To:, Cc:,
Subject:, Message-ID: and Keywords: were included?

My code would have handled that without complaint.

What if it were just

  --


  --
  test mailing list
  t...@lists.fedoraproject.org
  https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

  --

  End of test Digest, Vol 93, Issue 20
  
I think it would have handled that without complaint as well... The 
second blank line after the line of hyphens would have been interpreted 
as the terminating line after an empty header.


Note that I say "would have handled" in both of these cases because I've 
already modified my code to accommodate the non-complaint Mailman 
functionality. I would have to do that regardless of whether you fixed 
Mailman to be compliant now, because such a fix would not make it out to 
a substantial majority of Mailman sites for several years, even if you 
released it today.


Thanks for the reply.

  jik
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman violates RFC 1153?

2011-11-07 Thread Mark Sapiro 
Jonathan Kamens wrote:
>
>He sent me a sample digest, which ends like this:
>
>--
>
>--
>test mailing list
>t...@lists.fedoraproject.org
>https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test
>
>End of test Digest, Vol 93, Issue 20
>
>
>RFC 1153 has this to say about the digest trailer (emphasis added by me):
[...]
>I looked at the mailman source code and it doesn't appear that the 
>Fedora Project is running a hacked version; it appears that the standard 
>Mailman source code inserts the list footer as shown above as part of 
>the digest trailer, in violation of the RFC.


And if you looked at the source, you should have seen the following
comment immediately preceding the adding of the footer.

# BAW: This is not strictly conformant RFC 1153.  The trailer is only
# supposed to contain two lines, i.e. the "End of ... Digest" line and
# the row of asterisks.  If this screws up MUAs, the solution is to
# add the footer as the last message in the RFC 1153 digest.  I just
# hate the way that VM does that and I think it's confusing to users,
# so don't do it unless there's a clamor.


>I can and will work around this violation of the standard in my code, 
>but it makes the code significantly more complicated, and it's kind of 
>annoying to see the RFC being violated like this.


If you are intending to raise a clamor, you can file a bug report at
.

Suppose the above were changed to

 --

 Digest-Footer:

 --
 test mailing list
 t...@lists.fedoraproject.org
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

 --

 End of test Digest, Vol 93, Issue 20
 

Would your code handle that or would it complain the Digest-Footer: is
not an allowable header and/or none of Date:, From:, To:, Cc:,
Subject:, Message-ID: and Keywords: were included?

What if it were just

 --


 --
 test mailing list
 t...@lists.fedoraproject.org
 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

 --

 End of test Digest, Vol 93, Issue 20
 




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[Mailman-Users] Update: Server request addresses not active

2011-11-07 Thread Carlos Palomino 
As an update to this issue:

We've discovered that replying to the verification emails also results in mail 
rejection.

Any ideas or exact details on what is wrong would be highly appreciated.


Carlos


Original message:

Hello list,

I'm new to mailman and have recently installed the software on my CenOS server.

All is working quite well, accept for the specified join & leave dedicated 
addresses for members to subscribe/unsubscribe.

When sending to ios-j...@a11y.us, the message is rejected, as a "mailbox 
doesn't exist" type of error.
Same goes for ios-subscr...@a11y.us.

Any ideas on what I should explain to my I.T rep to review, so these requests 
can work?


Thank you.

Carlos
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Update: Server request addresses not active

2011-11-07 Thread Carlos Palomino 
As an update to this issue:

We've discovered that replying to the verification emails also results in mail 
rejection.

Any ideas or exact details on what is wrong would be highly appreciated.


Carlos

On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:39 PM, Carlos Palomino wrote:

Hello list,

I'm new to mailman and have recently installed the software on my CenOS server.

All is working quite well, accept for the specified join & leave dedicated 
addresses for members to subscribe/unsubscribe.

When sending to ios-j...@a11y.us, the message is rejected, as a "mailbox 
doesn't exist" type of error.
Same goes for ios-subscr...@a11y.us.

Any ideas on what I should explain to my I.T rep to review, so these requests 
can work?


Thank you.

Carlos
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[Mailman-Users] Server request addresses not active

2011-11-07 Thread Carlos Palomino 
Hello list,

I'm new to mailman and have recently installed the software on my CenOS server.

All is working quite well, accept for the specified join & leave dedicated 
addresses for members to subscribe/unsubscribe.

When sending to ios-j...@a11y.us, the message is rejected, as a "mailbox 
doesn't exist" type of error.
Same goes for ios-subscr...@a11y.us.

Any ideas on what I should explain to my I.T rep to review, so these requests 
can work?


Thank you.

Carlos

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Server request addresses not active

2011-11-07 Thread Adam McGreggor 
On Mon, Nov 07, 2011 at 12:39:41PM -0500, Carlos Palomino wrote:
> I'm new to mailman and have recently installed the software on my CenOS 
> server.
> 
> All is working quite well, accept for the specified join & leave dedicated 
> addresses for members to subscribe/unsubscribe.
> 
> When sending to ios-j...@a11y.us, the message is rejected, as a "mailbox 
> doesn't exist" type of error.
> Same goes for ios-subscr...@a11y.us.

Configuring your MTA?

(add a second (and others, should you so wish) nameserver, too)

> Any ideas on what I should explain to my I.T rep to review, so these requests 
> can work?

Did you get to step 6 of the installation instructions?

http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/doc/mailman-install.txt

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[Mailman-Users] Server request addresses not active

2011-11-07 Thread Carlos Palomino 
Hello list,

I'm new to mailman and have recently installed the software on my CenOS server.

All is working quite well, accept for the specified join & leave dedicated 
addresses for members to subscribe/unsubscribe.

When sending to ios-j...@a11y.us, the message is rejected, as a "mailbox 
doesn't exist" type of error.
Same goes for ios-subscr...@a11y.us.

Any ideas on what I should explain to my I.T rep to review, so these requests 
can work?


Thank you.

Carlos
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[Mailman-Users] mailman violates RFC 1153?

2011-11-07 Thread Jonathan Kamens 
Someone recently contacted me because my Thunderbird "undigestify" 
add-on  is 
failing to unpack digests produced by Mailman 2.1.9.


He sent me a sample digest, which ends like this:

   --

   --
   test mailing list
   t...@lists.fedoraproject.org
   https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/test

   End of test Digest, Vol 93, Issue 20
   

RFC 1153 has this to say about the digest trailer (emphasis added by me):

   The Trailer immediately follows the blank line of message separator
   following the last enclosed message.  The Trailer consists of two
   lines.  The first line /*must */begin with the words, End of,
   followed by the listname a blank and the word Digest which is
   usually followed by volume and issue number on the same line.  The
   second and last line of the Trailer and the entire message is a line
   of asterisks serving to underline the line immediately above it.

I looked at the mailman source code and it doesn't appear that the 
Fedora Project is running a hacked version; it appears that the standard 
Mailman source code inserts the list footer as shown above as part of 
the digest trailer, in violation of the RFC.


I can and will work around this violation of the standard in my code, 
but it makes the code significantly more complicated, and it's kind of 
annoying to see the RFC being violated like this.


  jik

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