Re: [Mailman-Users] Change of member address via web fails

2012-02-06 Thread Kaja Podlaska Christiansen



Nancy Shoemaker wrote



I'm one of those who does not have access to the command line utilities (Mailman
installed on shared hosting via control panel).



Our list admins (we have about 500 lists and 300 admins) are in the same
situation: they do not have access to the Mailman server and command line
scripts, and thus must administer lists via web.

Although I am a site admin and could help by running clone_member script,
I'd much prefer that this task is left to list admins.

The link provided by Mark Sapiro:

  Feature Request: Admin change subscriber's e-mail
  https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/266809

shows that the issue is not a new one, so I am looking forward to this
feature in Mailman 3. Last but least: big thank you to Mailman developers
for a great system; we've been running it since 1999!


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Re: [Mailman-Users] can I use a mailman list address as a (qmail) sender address?

2012-02-06 Thread Stefan P. Wolf (NassRasur.com)


Stephen J. Turnbull writes:


Stefan P. Wolf writes:

Now I would like to be able to create also a *real* mail
account with the same address, for SENDING (outgoing mail)
only.

I think all you need to do is create the mailing list as usual, and
then create the system user with the same name.  The mailing list's
explicit alias should take precedence.


I was finally able to try it and did not succeed.

I created the mailing list address dt...@mydomain.com (using my
real domain instead of mydomain, of course) and when I tried to
add an email address with the same name through PLESK I got an
error message telling me that the email address already existed.

Then I tried to add an account (role: mail user) with this email
address through PLESK then I got the explicit message that a
mailing list with this name already existed in this domain.

Anyone another idea? Again,I need the VERY SAME address for the
SMTP account because only then will replies to incoming messages
(through the mailing list) automatically select the correct sender
profile in Thunderbird and other mailers. If I use a different
name for the SMTP account, the mailers of the list users will
always select the default profile for replies which is exactly
what I want to avoid.


Best regards, Stefan.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] can I use a mailman list address as a (qmail)sender address?

2012-02-06 Thread Mark Sapiro
Stefan P. Wolf (NassRasur.com) wrote:

I created the mailing list address dt...@mydomain.com (using my
real domain instead of mydomain, of course) and when I tried to
add an email address with the same name through PLESK I got an
error message telling me that the email address already existed.

Then I tried to add an account (role: mail user) with this email
address through PLESK then I got the explicit message that a
mailing list with this name already existed in this domain.


See the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+and+Plesk.


Anyone another idea? Again,I need the VERY SAME address for the
SMTP account because only then will replies to incoming messages
(through the mailing list) automatically select the correct sender
profile in Thunderbird and other mailers. If I use a different
name for the SMTP account, the mailers of the list users will
always select the default profile for replies which is exactly
what I want to avoid.


How is it that my MUA is going to select a profile for a reply to a
list message based on whether or not the list address is a user on
your server? How does my MUA even know whether an address like
dt...@mydomain.com is a real user or a Mailman list?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] can I use a mailman list address as a (qmail)sender address?

2012-02-06 Thread Stefan P. Wolf (NassRasur.com)

Mark Sapiro wrote:


How is it that my MUA is going to select a profile for a reply to a
list message based on whether or not the list address is a user on
your server? How does my MUA even know whether an address like
dt...@mydomain.com is a real user or a Mailman list?


You misunderstood me -- incoming messages (through the list)
have the to-header set to the list address. If I have my MUA
set up with a profile that has the *same* email address, then
any reply to list messages are sent with this profile. If
I really can not create a mail user with the same address on
my system (for sending the replies) then the profile is not
selected automtically, instead the default profile is used,
no matter how similar the addresses for sending and receiving
are.

Best regards, Stefan.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] can I use a mailman list address as a (qmail)sender address?

2012-02-06 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 2/6/2012 9:57 AM, Stefan P. Wolf (NassRasur.com) wrote:
 
 You misunderstood me -- incoming messages (through the list)
 have the to-header set to the list address. If I have my MUA
 set up with a profile that has the *same* email address, then
 any reply to list messages are sent with this profile.


Exactly.


 If
 I really can not create a mail user with the same address on
 my system (for sending the replies) then the profile is not
 selected automtically, instead the default profile is used,
 no matter how similar the addresses for sending and receiving
 are.


I do not understand why this would be true? How does your MUA know that
the list address is or is not a 'mail user' on your system?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] can I use a mailman list address as a (qmail)sender address?

2012-02-06 Thread Richard Damon
On 2/6/12 12:57 PM, Stefan P. Wolf (NassRasur.com) wrote:
 Mark Sapiro wrote:

 How is it that my MUA is going to select a profile for a reply to a
 list message based on whether or not the list address is a user on
 your server? How does my MUA even know whether an address like
 dt...@mydomain.com is a real user or a Mailman list?

 You misunderstood me -- incoming messages (through the list)
 have the to-header set to the list address. If I have my MUA
 set up with a profile that has the *same* email address, then
 any reply to list messages are sent with this profile. If
 I really can not create a mail user with the same address on
 my system (for sending the replies) then the profile is not
 selected automtically, instead the default profile is used,
 no matter how similar the addresses for sending and receiving
 are.

 Best regards, Stefan.


You can set up a profile in your MUA with the address of the mailing
list without the MTA having an account by that address. You will just
need to manually config the SMTP authorization for an account that does
exist. This is common enough of a situation that I would expect most
MUAs to allow this sort of customization (if only because you need at
least to be able to select whether the username for authentication
includes the domain or not). Unless your MTA is VERY locked down and
doesn't allow for From != Authentication, this should work (and if it
was locked down this hard, mailing list mail would be having problems
too). Even if it does default to this sort of restriction, it should
have some way to override it, but that may not be exposed in the PLESK
control panel.

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[Mailman-Users] List not sending out a welcome message

2012-02-06 Thread Brian Carpenter

Hi All:

I have one list that is not sending out it's welcome message to new 
subscribers and password reminder to its list members. All of the other 
lists on the server are. I assume it's a db issue but could be wrong. 
Any suggestion on where to look at what the problem could be?


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[Mailman-Users] Sudden Halt

2012-02-06 Thread McNutt Jr, William R
I have been running a 2.1.14 version for quite a few months now with no 
problems.  At some point this weekend, it stopped sending mail.  I get neither 
error messages nor bounces.  Can I get some help troubleshooting?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sudden Halt

2012-02-06 Thread Ralf Hildebrandt
* McNutt Jr, William R mcn...@utk.edu:

 I have been running a 2.1.14 version for quite a few months now with no
 problems.  At some point this weekend, it stopped sending mail.  I get
 neither error messages nor bounces.  Can I get some help
 troubleshooting?

Restart mailman?
mailmanctl restart

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Re: [Mailman-Users] List not sending out a welcome message

2012-02-06 Thread Mark Sapiro
Brian Carpenter wrote:

I have one list that is not sending out it's welcome message to new 
subscribers and password reminder to its list members. All of the other 
lists on the server are. I assume it's a db issue but could be wrong. 
Any suggestion on where to look at what the problem could be?


Are the list's General Options settings send_reminders and
send_welcome_message set to Yes?

If so, you could visit the various member options pages via the email
address links on the Membership Management... - Membership List pages
and verify that their Get password reminder email for this list?
settings are not all No. If they are all No, do

bin/config_list -o - LISTNAME | grep new_member_options

convert the decimal integer you see to binary and see if it contains
the 0010 (2^5 = 32) bit which is the option to supress password
reminder. If it does, also check mm_cfg.py for a
DEFAULT_NEW_MEMBER_OPTIONS setting containing this bit.

If all of the above indicates reminders and welcome messages should be
sent, try running 'cron/mailpasswds -l LISTNAME' and subscribing a new
member and check Mailman's 'smtp' log and the MTA logs to see if the
messages are being sent and what's happening to them.

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