Re: [Mailman-Users] Ordering of messages in the moderation queue by date?
Richard Damon writes: > I will say that for a list I run, I find the alphabetical ordering > useful. Indeed. Ordering will be an option, and since this request is hardly a FAQ (though I think it a pretty obviously worthwhile feature), I suppose that the default will be the traditional alphabetical ordering. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Ordering of messages in the moderation queue by date?
On 6/17/13 10:58 AM, Jan Lausch wrote: > Dear Mark, >> should multiple messages from a single address be in separate, > time sorted boxes [...] > > Just my 2ct: keep it simple, no need to have many config options here: > Just keep the "one box per sender"-idea, but sort the boxes by the time of > the latest email from that sender. > > And thus replace the old sorting order: > "alphabetical" doesn't have any practical advantage (= someone missing the > way it worked yet) in my eyes. > > Use case "time-sorted" e.g.: find this one mail the user just sent a minute > ago in a queue full of SPAM. > > > jan I will say that for a list I run, I find the alphabetical ordering useful. I keep the last couple of months of notices normally sorted alphabetically by subject (which makes it ). Scanning through that list lets me see if someone has posted a number of similar messages and is starting to "spam" the list with them, and the order of this scan matches the order in the admin interface. -- Richard Damon -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] fixing a "reordered" archive
On 06/17/2013 10:21 AM, Matthew Needham wrote: > > Older.mbox contains 1512 messages, five of which contain unescaped lines > starting with "From ". What's the best way to escape those lines and preserve > archive order? Is it as simple as escaping the line and adding an empty "From > " immediately after the containing message? Yes, that should do it. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] fixing a "reordered" archive
On Jun 12, 2013, at 18:09 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> On 06/12/2013 12:10 PM, Matthew Needham wrote: >> >> As best as I can tell, there's no way for me to determine which messages >> were in the archive before older.mbox was added. Is there a way? > > If you still have the old archive (maybe on a backup), the first message > in that archive from older.mbox has number nn. Message nn-1 is > the last of the messages that were in the archive when older.mbox was added. It took a little while to figure out, but I believe I've gotten everything straightened out. It looks like my complication was the fact that cleararch had been run on my current version of older.mbox, but no when it was originally added to the archives. I found the original file and everything lines up. Thanks for getting me this far. Older.mbox contains 1512 messages, five of which contain unescaped lines starting with "From ". What's the best way to escape those lines and preserve archive order? Is it as simple as escaping the line and adding an empty "From " immediately after the containing message? -- Matthew Needham The HDF Group 1800 South Oak Street, Suite 203 Champaign, IL 61820 217-531-6110 mneed...@hdfgroup.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Emails with implicit address are trapped
On 06/17/2013 07:30 AM, Javad Hoseini-Nopendar wrote: > I want the emails with implicit address to go directly to this > mailing list. How can I do that? In the web admin interface set Privacy options... -> Recipient filters -> require_explicit_destination to No. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Emails with implicit address are trapped
Hello I sometimes need to send an email to various mailing lists at a time. The owner of one of the mailing lists asked me to put all the addresses in BCC, but when I put the address of my own mailing list in BCC, my email to the group does not go directly to the group, but it requires moderator's approval. I want the emails with implicit address to go directly to this mailing list. How can I do that? Javad Hoseini -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Ordering of messages in the moderation queue by date?
My 2 cents for Mark Sapiro's question: OK. Since this may be more widely used, here's a question? The current summary groups all the messages from a single sender into one 'box'. If we sort the boxes[1] by time, should multiple messages from a single address be in separate, time sorted boxes or should they still be grouped in a single box, and if the latter should the boxes be time sorted by oldest or newest in the box. The original post spoke of a list "where all messages are moderated, and conversations are long." A moderator who is trying to track the progress of a long conversation (while perhaps moderating for civility) would probably want to see all messages in strict time order, oldest first, without grouping by author. I would want it that way on my lists if they had enough traffic to make manual sorting tedious. This could be especially important in cases where writers are sending off-list copies to each other, and thus sometimes replying to posts that haven't even reached the list in moderated form yet. You don't want to make a moderation decision about a reply before deciding what to do about the post being replied to. (And of course "time order" must handle time zones accurately, e.g. a message sent from London at 1:00 am Wednesday should precede one sent from New York at 10:00 pm Tuesday. I mention this because I _think_ I remember running into a problem with this when archiving old messages from a pre-Mailman incarnation of a list.) -- Larry Kuenning la...@qhpress.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Ordering of messages in the moderation queue by date?
Jan Lausch writes: > Deal all, > > > I typically would prefer to see the queue of messages awaiting > > moderation in time order, not alphabetically by email address > > as happens by default. > > I totally second that notion. Is it worth thinking about threading them? -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Ordering of messages in the moderation queue by date?
Dear Mark, > should multiple messages from a single address be in separate, time sorted boxes [...] Just my 2ct: keep it simple, no need to have many config options here: Just keep the "one box per sender"-idea, but sort the boxes by the time of the latest email from that sender. And thus replace the old sorting order: "alphabetical" doesn't have any practical advantage (= someone missing the way it worked yet) in my eyes. Use case "time-sorted" e.g.: find this one mail the user just sent a minute ago in a queue full of SPAM. jan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Ordering of messages in the moderation queue by date?
On 06/17/2013 01:58 AM, Jan Lausch wrote: > > > I typically would prefer to see the queue of messages awaiting >> moderation in time order, not alphabetically by email address >> as happens by default. > > > I totally second that notion. > I have been thinking about this several times before, too. > Would indeed be a very useful addition. OK. Since this may be more widely used, here's a question? The current summary groups all the messages from a single sender into one 'box'. If we sort the boxes[1] by time, should multiple messages from a single address be in separate, time sorted boxes or should they still be grouped in a single box, and if the latter should the boxes be time sorted by oldest or newest in the box. [1] A proper feature would redesign the boxes, but I'm not going there, and I'm not going to think about checking in the multiple box case for conflicting checkbox options applied to the same sender. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
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On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 09:07:29AM -0400, Jason Fayre wrote: > I've submitted the form that at&t tells you to in order to get your > IP removed from the blacklist. I then get a response back saying > that the IP is not blacklisted. Usually, there's a contact address to use here. > However, I've got recent bounce > messages saying we are. If I try and telnet to at&t's mail servers > from the mailman server, I get rejected because of a blacklisted Ip. > The IP they are saying is blacklisted is the same one I submitted on > there web form. > Does anyone have any strategies in dealing with at&t? I would > love... god forbid... to actually talk to someone in their > postmaster team about this. Is that just on IPv4? In some cases, using IPv6 may work… The short answer may be "their MXes, their rules"; finding someone with a cluebat will often be the hardest part. That does assume they've not outsourced the blacklisting side of things, of course, when there's a further problem. It's probably worth having a look at the reputation of the address block you're using; https://grepular.com/projects/dnsblsearch.txt may be of interest/use. > We host around 200 mailing lists for the National Federation of the > Blind. Some of the lists are fairly high traffic. In a previous role, skipping email and using the telephone worked for getting through to the right person/department. Social media may work in your favo(u)r here… ask how you might get in contact with postmaster@ via twitter/other channels. And perhaps use your community's help, too. (NANOG or MailOp may be better channels) -- "There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the other is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies." -- Hoare -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
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Hi, This may not be strictly on-topic for this list, but I'm getting extremely frustrated and am hoping someone can give me some ideas. We moved our mailman server to a VPS with a new IP address. After the move, our IP has been blacklisted by AT&T. We had some DNS trouble initially, and this may be why. I've submitted the form that at&t tells you to in order to get your IP removed from the blacklist. I then get a response back saying that the IP is not blacklisted. However, I've got recent bounce messages saying we are. If I try and telnet to at&t's mail servers from the mailman server, I get rejected because of a blacklisted Ip. The IP they are saying is blacklisted is the same one I submitted on there web form. Does anyone have any strategies in dealing with at&t? I would love... god forbid... to actually talk to someone in their postmaster team about this. We host around 200 mailing lists for the National Federation of the Blind. Some of the lists are fairly high traffic. We are not sending out spam. Any help or suggestions would be apreciated. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Ordering of messages in the moderation queue by date?
Deal all, > I typically would prefer to see the queue of messages awaiting > moderation in time order, not alphabetically by email address > as happens by default. I totally second that notion. I have been thinking about this several times before, too. Would indeed be a very useful addition. Jan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
