Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
Hi Peter, Mark and all I think I may have the solution now (Peter is one of our list moderators). My web host is now telling me that there is a 200 emails per hour limit for my hosting plan. We have 1140 subscribers. That means we blow the limit out of the water EVERY time someone posts! I'm not sure why they have taken so long to tell me this, as we've been running on this host for over 7 months, but it seems they throttle the outgoing mail volume, so it can take a while for all those recipients to get each message. I suppose it depends on overall server activity - if nothing else is happening, then maybe a new message does get straight to 1140 recipients. Looks like we will need to shift to a new listserver and maybe even a new webhost - and maybe even a new domain registrar (I've had all my eggs in the Namecheap basket for some years now). Somehow I don't think I am going to get away with this volume of mail for the $50 a year I'm currently paying :-( Russell Woodford Geelong, Australia birding-aus.org On 18 July 2014 11:20, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: On 07/17/2014 05:01 PM, Peter Shute wrote: I've now enabled protocol logging on our Exchange server, a new world for me. I can see several possibly relevant events in yesterday's logs that look like this: 2014-07-17T07:02:03.914Z,NUWVICMS2\Default NUWVICMS2,08D145520008BC68,24, 192.168.0.36:25,192.64.112.70:38732,,550 5.7.1 Requested action not taken: message refused, This is a 550 (extended 5.7.,1) status which is a permanent failure. This is a bounce and will (should) not be retried by the sending server. I doubt that this specific log message has anything to do with your delayed messages. But if the antispam software is refusing the messages, how do they eventually get through? Exactly. You could look at the logs on the 192.64.112.70 sending server to see what that server did with this message after it was bounced by the exchange server. If the Mailman server is sending directly to the exchange server and that is where the delays are occurring, you need to look at the MTA logs of the Mailman server and see what's there relevant to sending failures and resends. But, this thread no longer has anything to do with Mailman. Perhaps you could find another list/forum to discuss this that might be able to provide more expertise in this area. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/rdwoodford%40gmail.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
I'm surprised that any web/email host would apply a rule intended for a personal email account to a listserve. I'm guessing that you are running MailMan on your own computer, then using mail server provided by your email hosting company to send the messages. So to the email host, you do look like a very busy personal account. As I see it, your options include: * Discuss this limitation with your email host see if they will waive the message sending cap for your listserv. * Use a mailman installation hosted by your email hosting company, which is not subject to a message sending cap. * Changing email hosts using a mailman installation hosted by your email hosting company, which is not subject to a message sending cap. No need to change registrars. NameCheap is a good registrar, better than many. I haven't used their web/email hosting. My email lists are all running on Mailman provided by my email host. You don't even need to install it, just choose a dedicated subdomain for it to run on. They do NOT limit message flow from Mailman, although they do limit the number of messages per hour sent from a personal mail account. No web/email host is perfect, but I'm pretty happy with DreamHost. Especially for about $100 a year for more services than I can possibly use. (And I'm giving it a good go!). Here is a Dreamhost Coupon code link that will give you $10 off now, plus 1 free LIFETIME domain registration. So that's a savings of about $11 a year for life. MACMEDIXFREEDOM What else is included? Tons! Check it out. http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?250640/hosting.html Best, Dave Nathanson Mac Medix On Jul 20, 2014, at 4:38 AM, Russell Woodford rdwoodf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, Mark and all I think I may have the solution now (Peter is one of our list moderators). My web host is now telling me that there is a 200 emails per hour limit for my hosting plan. We have 1140 subscribers. That means we blow the limit out of the water EVERY time someone posts! I'm not sure why they have taken so long to tell me this, as we've been running on this host for over 7 months, but it seems they throttle the outgoing mail volume, so it can take a while for all those recipients to get each message. I suppose it depends on overall server activity - if nothing else is happening, then maybe a new message does get straight to 1140 recipients. Looks like we will need to shift to a new listserver and maybe even a new webhost - and maybe even a new domain registrar (I've had all my eggs in the Namecheap basket for some years now). Somehow I don't think I am going to get away with this volume of mail for the $50 a year I'm currently paying :-( Russell Woodford Geelong, Australia birding-aus.org On 18 July 2014 11:20, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: On 07/17/2014 05:01 PM, Peter Shute wrote: I've now enabled protocol logging on our Exchange server, a new world for me. I can see several possibly relevant events in yesterday's logs that look like this: 2014-07-17T07:02:03.914Z,NUWVICMS2\Default NUWVICMS2,08D145520008BC68,24, 192.168.0.36:25,192.64.112.70:38732,,550 5.7.1 Requested action not taken: message refused, This is a 550 (extended 5.7.,1) status which is a permanent failure. This is a bounce and will (should) not be retried by the sending server. I doubt that this specific log message has anything to do with your delayed messages. But if the antispam software is refusing the messages, how do they eventually get through? Exactly. You could look at the logs on the 192.64.112.70 sending server to see what that server did with this message after it was bounced by the exchange server. If the Mailman server is sending directly to the exchange server and that is where the delays are occurring, you need to look at the MTA logs of the Mailman server and see what's there relevant to sending failures and resends. But, this thread no longer has anything to do with Mailman. Perhaps you could find another list/forum to discuss this that might be able to provide more expertise in this area. -- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/dave.lists%40nathanson.org -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
No, it's all hosted via cpanel. Does this mail per hour limit seem odd with that sort of setup? Does dreamhost keep their mailman up to date? We're still on 2.1.15, and when I asked about upgrading, they wouldn't commit to any date, only that it would be more likely to be months than a month. Peter Shute Sent from my iPad On 21 Jul 2014, at 1:35 am, Dave Nathanson dave.li...@nathanson.org wrote: I'm surprised that any web/email host would apply a rule intended for a personal email account to a listserve. I'm guessing that you are running MailMan on your own computer, then using mail server provided by your email hosting company to send the messages. So to the email host, you do look like a very busy personal account. As I see it, your options include: * Discuss this limitation with your email host see if they will waive the message sending cap for your listserv. * Use a mailman installation hosted by your email hosting company, which is not subject to a message sending cap. * Changing email hosts using a mailman installation hosted by your email hosting company, which is not subject to a message sending cap. No need to change registrars. NameCheap is a good registrar, better than many. I haven't used their web/email hosting. My email lists are all running on Mailman provided by my email host. You don't even need to install it, just choose a dedicated subdomain for it to run on. They do NOT limit message flow from Mailman, although they do limit the number of messages per hour sent from a personal mail account. No web/email host is perfect, but I'm pretty happy with DreamHost. Especially for about $100 a year for more services than I can possibly use. (And I'm giving it a good go!). Here is a Dreamhost Coupon code link that will give you $10 off now, plus 1 free LIFETIME domain registration. So that's a savings of about $11 a year for life. MACMEDIXFREEDOM What else is included? Tons! Check it out. http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?250640/hosting.html Best, Dave Nathanson Mac Medix On Jul 20, 2014, at 4:38 AM, Russell Woodford rdwoodf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, Mark and all I think I may have the solution now (Peter is one of our list moderators). My web host is now telling me that there is a 200 emails per hour limit for my hosting plan. We have 1140 subscribers. That means we blow the limit out of the water EVERY time someone posts! I'm not sure why they have taken so long to tell me this, as we've been running on this host for over 7 months, but it seems they throttle the outgoing mail volume, so it can take a while for all those recipients to get each message. I suppose it depends on overall server activity - if nothing else is happening, then maybe a new message does get straight to 1140 recipients. Looks like we will need to shift to a new listserver and maybe even a new webhost - and maybe even a new domain registrar (I've had all my eggs in the Namecheap basket for some years now). Somehow I don't think I am going to get away with this volume of mail for the $50 a year I'm currently paying :-( Russell Woodford Geelong, Australia birding-aus.org On 18 July 2014 11:20, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: On 07/17/2014 05:01 PM, Peter Shute wrote: I've now enabled protocol logging on our Exchange server, a new world for me. I can see several possibly relevant events in yesterday's logs that look like this: 2014-07-17T07:02:03.914Z,NUWVICMS2\Default NUWVICMS2,08D145520008BC68,24, 192.168.0.36:25,192.64.112.70:38732,,550 5.7.1 Requested action not taken: message refused, This is a 550 (extended 5.7.,1) status which is a permanent failure. This is a bounce and will (should) not be retried by the sending server. I doubt that this specific log message has anything to do with your delayed messages. But if the antispam software is refusing the messages, how do they eventually get through? Exactly. You could look at the logs on the 192.64.112.70 sending server to see what that server did with this message after it was bounced by the exchange server. If the Mailman server is sending directly to the exchange server and that is where the delays are occurring, you need to look at the MTA logs of the Mailman server and see what's there relevant to sending failures and resends. But, this thread no longer has anything to do with Mailman. Perhaps you could find another list/forum to discuss this that might be able to provide more expertise in this area. -- -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe:
Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
Dreamhost also throttles their SMTP servers: http://wiki.dreamhost.com/SMTP_quota By not keeping their Mailman installation up to date is also VERY problematic since certain ISPs' DMARC policies impacts mailing lists everywhere. If you were serious about your mailing list(s), I would not use them. Using us on the other hand makes a lot of sense. :^) http://www.mailmanhost.com Brian Carpenter EMWD.com Providing Cloud Services and more for over 15 years. T: 336.755.0685 E: br...@emwd.com www.emwd.com No, it's all hosted via cpanel. Does this mail per hour limit seem odd with that sort of setup? Does dreamhost keep their mailman up to date? We're still on 2.1.15, and when I asked about upgrading, they wouldn't commit to any date, only that it would be more likely to be months than a month. Peter Shute Sent from my iPad On 21 Jul 2014, at 1:35 am, Dave Nathanson dave.li...@nathanson.org wrote: I'm surprised that any web/email host would apply a rule intended for a personal email account to a listserve. I'm guessing that you are running MailMan on your own computer, then using mail server provided by your email hosting company to send the messages. So to the email host, you do look like a very busy personal account. As I see it, your options include: * Discuss this limitation with your email host see if they will waive the message sending cap for your listserv. * Use a mailman installation hosted by your email hosting company, which is not subject to a message sending cap. * Changing email hosts using a mailman installation hosted by your email hosting company, which is not subject to a message sending cap. No need to change registrars. NameCheap is a good registrar, better than many. I haven't used their web/email hosting. My email lists are all running on Mailman provided by my email host. You don't even need to install it, just choose a dedicated subdomain for it to run on. They do NOT limit message flow from Mailman, although they do limit the number of messages per hour sent from a personal mail account. No web/email host is perfect, but I'm pretty happy with DreamHost. Especially for about $100 a year for more services than I can possibly use. (And I'm giving it a good go!). Here is a Dreamhost Coupon code link that will give you $10 off now, plus 1 free LIFETIME domain registration. So that's a savings of about $11 a year for life. MACMEDIXFREEDOM What else is included? Tons! Check it out. http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?250640/hosting.html Best, Dave Nathanson Mac Medix On Jul 20, 2014, at 4:38 AM, Russell Woodford rdwoodf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, Mark and all I think I may have the solution now (Peter is one of our list moderators). My web host is now telling me that there is a 200 emails per hour limit for my hosting plan. We have 1140 subscribers. That means we blow the limit out of the water EVERY time someone posts! I'm not sure why they have taken so long to tell me this, as we've been running on this host for over 7 months, but it seems they throttle the outgoing mail volume, so it can take a while for all those recipients to get each message. I suppose it depends on overall server activity - if nothing else is happening, then maybe a new message does get straight to 1140 recipients. Looks like we will need to shift to a new listserver and maybe even a new webhost - and maybe even a new domain registrar (I've had all my eggs in the Namecheap basket for some years now). Somehow I don't think I am going to get away with this volume of mail for the $50 a year I'm currently paying :-( Russell Woodford Geelong, Australia birding-aus.org On 18 July 2014 11:20, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: On 07/17/2014 05:01 PM, Peter Shute wrote: I've now enabled protocol logging on our Exchange server, a new world for me. I can see several possibly relevant events in yesterday's logs that look like this: 2014-07-17T07:02:03.914Z,NUWVICMS2\Default NUWVICMS2,08D145520008BC68,24, 192.168.0.36:25,192.64.112.70:38732,,550 5.7.1 Requested action not taken: message refused, This is a 550 (extended 5.7.,1) status which is a permanent failure. This is a bounce and will (should) not be retried by the sending server. I doubt that this specific log message has anything to do with your delayed messages. But if the antispam software is refusing the messages, how do they eventually get through? Exactly. You could look at the logs on the 192.64.112.70 sending server to see what that server did with this message after it was bounced by the exchange server. If the Mailman server is sending directly to the exchange server and that is where the delays are occurring, you need to look at the MTA logs of the Mailman server and see what's there relevant to sending failures and resends. But, this thread no longer has
Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
That dreamhost page says there's an smtp limit of 100 recipients an hour, which would be unworkable for 1000 plus members, but also mentions announce lists, which don't have limits. The announce lists page says these are different from discussion lists, but the discussion lists page doesn't mention limits. I assume when you mention not keeping mailman up to date, you're referring to our current provider, not dreamhost? Peter Shute -Original Message- From: Brian Carpenter [mailto:br...@emwd.com] Sent: Monday, 21 July 2014 7:50 AM To: Peter Shute; 'Dave Nathanson' Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times Dreamhost also throttles their SMTP servers: http://wiki.dreamhost.com/SMTP_quota By not keeping their Mailman installation up to date is also VERY problematic since certain ISPs' DMARC policies impacts mailing lists everywhere. If you were serious about your mailing list(s), I would not use them. Using us on the other hand makes a lot of sense. :^) http://www.mailmanhost.com Brian Carpenter EMWD.com Providing Cloud Services and more for over 15 years. T: 336.755.0685 E: br...@emwd.com www.emwd.com No, it's all hosted via cpanel. Does this mail per hour limit seem odd with that sort of setup? Does dreamhost keep their mailman up to date? We're still on 2.1.15, and when I asked about upgrading, they wouldn't commit to any date, only that it would be more likely to be months than a month. Peter Shute Sent from my iPad On 21 Jul 2014, at 1:35 am, Dave Nathanson dave.li...@nathanson.org wrote: I'm surprised that any web/email host would apply a rule intended for a personal email account to a listserve. I'm guessing that you are running MailMan on your own computer, then using mail server provided by your email hosting company to send the messages. So to the email host, you do look like a very busy personal account. As I see it, your options include: * Discuss this limitation with your email host see if they will waive the message sending cap for your listserv. * Use a mailman installation hosted by your email hosting company, which is not subject to a message sending cap. * Changing email hosts using a mailman installation hosted by your email hosting company, which is not subject to a message sending cap. No need to change registrars. NameCheap is a good registrar, better than many. I haven't used their web/email hosting. My email lists are all running on Mailman provided by my email host. You don't even need to install it, just choose a dedicated subdomain for it to run on. They do NOT limit message flow from Mailman, although they do limit the number of messages per hour sent from a personal mail account. No web/email host is perfect, but I'm pretty happy with DreamHost. Especially for about $100 a year for more services than I can possibly use. (And I'm giving it a good go!). Here is a Dreamhost Coupon code link that will give you $10 off now, plus 1 free LIFETIME domain registration. So that's a savings of about $11 a year for life. MACMEDIXFREEDOM What else is included? Tons! Check it out. http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?250640/hosting.html Best, Dave Nathanson Mac Medix On Jul 20, 2014, at 4:38 AM, Russell Woodford rdwoodf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, Mark and all I think I may have the solution now (Peter is one of our list moderators). My web host is now telling me that there is a 200 emails per hour limit for my hosting plan. We have 1140 subscribers. That means we blow the limit out of the water EVERY time someone posts! I'm not sure why they have taken so long to tell me this, as we've been running on this host for over 7 months, but it seems they throttle the outgoing mail volume, so it can take a while for all those recipients to get each message. I suppose it depends on overall server activity - if nothing else is happening, then maybe a new message does get straight to 1140 recipients. Looks like we will need to shift to a new listserver and maybe even a new webhost - and maybe even a new domain registrar (I've had all my eggs in the Namecheap basket for some years now). Somehow I don't think I am going to get away with this volume of mail for the $50 a year I'm currently paying :-( Russell Woodford Geelong, Australia birding-aus.org On 18 July 2014 11:20, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: On 07/17/2014 05:01 PM, Peter Shute wrote: I've now enabled protocol logging on our Exchange server, a new world for me. I can see several possibly relevant events in yesterday's logs that look like this:
Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
Always beware when businesses attempt to describe their competitor’s products. That’s pretty disingenuous of you, Brian. On that page you mention, it plainly says: Discussion Lists (created via our control panel): unlimited recipients per hour • Max recipients per message: unlimited • Max message size: 40MB (encoded); individual list may set a lower limit I myself admin several mailing lists with them, one with 7800+ members, with roughly 14 messages/day. That’s on the order of 100K emails/day. I have never had any issues with DH throttling the outgoing messages from my lists. (I do have problems with the likes of Roadrunner/Time Warner having irresponsible reception policies so that their email users are constantly getting subscriptions disabled, but that’s another story). Dreamhost is definitely not perfect, but this is not one of the problem areas. (They are now running MM 2.1.17, as of a couple months ago.) -Conrad On Jul 20, 2014, at 5:49 PM, Brian Carpenter br...@emwd.com wrote: Dreamhost also throttles their SMTP servers: http://wiki.dreamhost.com/SMTP_quota By not keeping their Mailman installation up to date is also VERY problematic since certain ISPs' DMARC policies impacts mailing lists everywhere. If you were serious about your mailing list(s), I would not use them. Using us on the other hand makes a lot of sense. :^) http://www.mailmanhost.com Brian Carpenter EMWD.com Providing Cloud Services and more for over 15 years. T: 336.755.0685 E: br...@emwd.com www.emwd.com No, it's all hosted via cpanel. Does this mail per hour limit seem odd with that sort of setup? Does dreamhost keep their mailman up to date? We're still on 2.1.15, and when I asked about upgrading, they wouldn't commit to any date, only that it would be more likely to be months than a month. Peter Shute Sent from my iPad On 21 Jul 2014, at 1:35 am, Dave Nathanson dave.li...@nathanson.org wrote: I'm surprised that any web/email host would apply a rule intended for a personal email account to a listserve. I'm guessing that you are running MailMan on your own computer, then using mail server provided by your email hosting company to send the messages. So to the email host, you do look like a very busy personal account. As I see it, your options include: * Discuss this limitation with your email host see if they will waive the message sending cap for your listserv. * Use a mailman installation hosted by your email hosting company, which is not subject to a message sending cap. * Changing email hosts using a mailman installation hosted by your email hosting company, which is not subject to a message sending cap. No need to change registrars. NameCheap is a good registrar, better than many. I haven't used their web/email hosting. My email lists are all running on Mailman provided by my email host. You don't even need to install it, just choose a dedicated subdomain for it to run on. They do NOT limit message flow from Mailman, although they do limit the number of messages per hour sent from a personal mail account. No web/email host is perfect, but I'm pretty happy with DreamHost. Especially for about $100 a year for more services than I can possibly use. (And I'm giving it a good go!). Here is a Dreamhost Coupon code link that will give you $10 off now, plus 1 free LIFETIME domain registration. So that's a savings of about $11 a year for life. MACMEDIXFREEDOM What else is included? Tons! Check it out. http://www.dreamhost.com/r.cgi?250640/hosting.html Best, Dave Nathanson Mac Medix On Jul 20, 2014, at 4:38 AM, Russell Woodford rdwoodf...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Peter, Mark and all I think I may have the solution now (Peter is one of our list moderators). My web host is now telling me that there is a 200 emails per hour limit for my hosting plan. We have 1140 subscribers. That means we blow the limit out of the water EVERY time someone posts! I'm not sure why they have taken so long to tell me this, as we've been running on this host for over 7 months, but it seems they throttle the outgoing mail volume, so it can take a while for all those recipients to get each message. I suppose it depends on overall server activity - if nothing else is happening, then maybe a new message does get straight to 1140 recipients. Looks like we will need to shift to a new listserver and maybe even a new webhost - and maybe even a new domain registrar (I've had all my eggs in the Namecheap basket for some years now). Somehow I don't think I am going to get away with this volume of mail for the $50 a year I'm currently paying :-( Russell Woodford Geelong, Australia birding-aus.org On 18 July 2014 11:20, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote: On 07/17/2014 05:01 PM, Peter Shute wrote: I've now enabled protocol logging on our Exchange server, a new world for me. I can see several possibly relevant
Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
On 07/20/2014 08:25 AM, Dave Nathanson wrote: I'm surprised that any web/email host would apply a rule intended for a personal email account to a listserve. Don Quixote says see the FAQ at http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+is+not+Listserv. That said, if you search the archives of this list, you will find many reports of hosting services that provide Mailman list support and limit outgoing mail rates from those lists. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
Mark Sapiro wrote: That said, if you search the archives of this list, you will find many reports of hosting services that provide Mailman list support and limit outgoing mail rates from those lists. Is limiting normally applied strictly per recipient? Or does it reduce the problem if lots of the members are on one domain? 50% of our members are with just 5 domains. Peter Shute -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
On 07/20/2014 08:06 PM, Peter Shute wrote: Is limiting normally applied strictly per recipient? Or does it reduce the problem if lots of the members are on one domain? 50% of our members are with just 5 domains. It depends on the specific service and their policies. They could limit recipients or SMTP transactions. If they limit recipients, there's not much you can do. If the limit is on transactions, you can leave Mailman's default settings for SMTP_MAX_RCPTS (500) VERP (No) and personalization (No) and Mailman will group domains into a few transactions with many RCPTs and this may help. But the question remains. If MTA rate limiting is the answer, why did it only start not long ago (In one post you said 11 July). -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
Peter Shute writes: No, it's all hosted via cpanel. Does this mail per hour limit seem odd with that sort of setup? To me it seems like a good way to chase away customers, but IIRC over the years many people have posted to this list about such limitations (usually under the subject of how do I throttle Mailman to not overrun my host's SMTP limit?) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
On 7/20/2014 3:35 PM, Peter Shute wrote: Does dreamhost keep their mailman up to date? My 'understanding' is that above has a non-answer because there is allegedly distinct difference between an ISP offering MM 2.1.15 and QUIETLY offering cPanel's version ALSO bearing the I.D. as above. At least my Blue Host Tech person related to me. And yep, just checked one (1) of my List Mails and source header info says BH using Mailman-Version: 2.1.15. This little blurb may be of interest to some of you sigh: quote With mailings lists larger than 100 users, it is not suggested to use the above mailing lists[1]. There is another free program, called DadaMail which is very robust, and can also throttle the email so the entire list is not sent at once. In the shared hosting environment, this is very much appreciated by the host as it lowers the server load for all. If you would like more information on DadaMail, please visit their website HERE http://dadamailproject.com/. /quote I have mentioned a few facts learned here (List) whilst either doing eMail (NON-Lists)problems and basically been told that I have zero clue(s) about Mailing Lists and 'mails' ! ! ! Each time has left me LMAO shaking my head -:) -:) -:) ! ! ! But, since I have an extremely sweet deal, I stay. Ed Just Brits [1] above = MailMan (on List Set-up Pages). -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Erratic mail delivery times
Mark Sapiro wrote: Is limiting normally applied strictly per recipient? Or does it reduce the problem if lots of the members are on one domain? 50% of our members are with just 5 domains. It depends on the specific service and their policies. They could limit recipients or SMTP transactions. If they limit recipients, there's not much you can do. I think they said it was a recipient limit. If the limit is on transactions, you can leave Mailman's default settings for SMTP_MAX_RCPTS (500) VERP (No) and personalization (No) and Mailman will group domains into a few transactions with many RCPTs and this may help. I don't think we'd have access to those settings with cpanel anyway, would we? But the question remains. If MTA rate limiting is the answer, why did it only start not long ago (In one post you said 11 July). They claim we were sending spam, and they noticed a huge spike in the amount of SMTP traffic (2.5GB vs the usual 10MB or so) on the 10th. they didn't show us stats for the numbers of emails, only the size. We think someone somehow hacked our account and really was sending spam, although we've only got their word for it. If they were sending it to list members that would explain the mail rejections I was seeing in my own logs. Anyway, it's obvious that the topic of these limits is an old one, and the only new thing here is that we somehow got lucky and they didn't apply them for a long time. I think I'd have prefered if we'd known from the start. Time to concentrate on moving to a new provider. Peter Shute -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
