Re: [Mailman-Users] Pending subscription request weirdness

2016-05-21 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 5/21/16 11:53 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:
> 
>> If you get the script at 
>> and run it, does it show the request?
> 
> Yes:
> 
> 1 LISTNAME moderator request(s) waiting
> 
> Noch offene Abonnementanträge:
>redac...@ukmuenster.de (Universitätsklinikum Münster) Thu May 19
> 17:53:34 2016
>18


I can only think of three possibilities. Either your
Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py script is broken or the web server you wind up at
(after possible, behind the scenes redirects, proxying, whatever) is not
looking at the same Mailman installation or you are somehow looking at
an old page which is cached somewhere.

If you think it not either of the latter two, please send me off list
copies of both the lists/LISTNAME/request.pck file and the
Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py file and I will check further.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman postfix connection on debian

2016-05-21 Thread John Griessen 

On 05/21/2016 06:28 PM, John Griessen wrote:

Try setting

VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes

in mm_cfg.py. this will make the message have

Reply-To: catjuggling-confirm+<@cibolo.us
Subject: Your confirmation is required to join the catjuggling mailing list

That may help.


That works when I do a list mass subscription invite, reply via 
smtp.sendgrid.net,
otherwise sendgrid.net silently drops it, and I don't
even see it in bounce logs when logged into sendgrid.net.

So sendgrid.net is anti mailman.
Sendgrid.net is a consolidator like we are seeing so many of in web services 
vs. DIY internet
servers operated by people like us.  Could be bad for DIY internet.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman postfix connection on debian

2016-05-21 Thread John Griessen 

On 05/20/2016 12:28 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

Could sendgrid ahve something to do with this?   Are they filtering my
>mails of a pattern that has been failing before?


Possibly.

Your confirmations are

Reply-To:catjuggling-requ...@cibolo.us
Subject: confirm 

There have been reports, e.g.,
,
that this Subject: triggers spam filters.

Try setting

VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes

in mm_cfg.py. this will make the message have

Reply-To: catjuggling-confirm+<@cibolo.us
Subject: Your confirmation is required to join the catjuggling mailing list

That may help.


I have not changed VERP_CONFIRMATIONS yet, but I enabled smtp sending via 
dovecot sasl authorization
and the mail was handled, delivered, and the list state updated to having that 
new member.

The new member was one of the virtual mailbox users on the same server with 
postfix, mailman, dovecot
so there was not much chance of catjuggling-request behaving differently than a 
catjuggling post.

I'll try VERP_CONFIRMATIONS = Yes and send via sendgrid again to test that.

Thanks,

John Griessen
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Pending subscription request weirdness

2016-05-21 Thread Sebastian Hagedorn 

Hi Mark,


On 5/21/16 12:47 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:


There is only one Mailman instance in play, and I can actually see the
subscription request in /var/lib/mailman/lists/LISTNAME/request.pck.
I've been getting the email notification for a few days, but in the GUI
there are "no pending requests".

dumpdb shows this:

dumpdb -p request.pck
[- start pickle file -]
<- start object 1 ->
{   18: (   2,
   (   1463673214.732806,
   'redac...@ukmuenster.de',
   u'Universit\xe4tsklinikum M\xfcnster',
   'redacted',
   0,
   'de')),
   'version': (0, 1)}
[- end pickle file -]



Is there anything in Mailman's error log when you go to the admindb page?


no.


If you get the script at 
and run it, does it show the request?


Yes:

1 LISTNAME moderator request(s) waiting

Noch offene Abonnementanträge:
   redac...@ukmuenster.de (Universitätsklinikum Münster) Thu May 19 
17:53:34 2016

   18
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman to inn gateway

2016-05-21 Thread jdd 

Le 21/05/2016 19:02, Mark Sapiro a écrit :

On 5/21/16 12:40 AM, jdd wrote:



Mail<->News gateways -> mass_catchup to Yes and Submitting changes will
start gating with the next new message.


no result.



This action produces no result until a subsequent post arrives at the
news server.

What does Mailman's fromusenet log say?



no error

May 21 19:00:03 2016 (7857) nothing new for list linux-31
May 21 19:00:03 2016 (7857) linux-31 watermark: 7

but something was wrong on the inn side, I couldn't even post to the 
group. Since I changed to group for a new one (new name), all works fine


As I have mailman archives, I don't need news archives, so the group 
name is not really important


but thanks to your notes I could make the system work. Your help is 
always very good


thanks a lot
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman to inn gateway

2016-05-21 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 5/21/16 12:40 AM, jdd wrote:
> Le 21/05/2016 05:23, Mark Sapiro a écrit :
> 
>> Is Mailman's cron/gatenews being run? The default crontab runs it every
>> 5 minutes. It is required to gate from usenet to mail.
> 
> the documentation is ambiguous
> 
> https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Configuring%20cron%20to%20run%20with%20the%20correct%20privileges%2C%20troubleshoot%20cron%20error.
> 
> 
> says that this is needed only with 2.0, I have 2.1.21


That refers to running the qrunners via cron which was MM 2.0 only. It
doesn't mean that there aren't any cron jobs needed with MM 2.1


> I used:
> 
> http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialMailman.html
> 
> that is:
> 
> [root prompt]# cd /usr/lib/mailman/cron
> [root prompt]# crontab -u mailman crontab.in
> 
> now the test list works both ways. good. I completed my doc


OK


>>> for the list linux-31, no result for any way
>>
>>
>> Are the Mail<->News gateways settings other than linked_newsgroup the
>> same for both lists? Does the linked_newsgroup exist on nntp_host?
> 
> yes for both
> 
>>
>> Are gateway_to_news and gateway_to_mail both set to Yes for both lists?
> 
> surprisingly not. for linux-31 it was set to no. bad :-(. corrected
> 
>> Mail<->News gateways -> mass_catchup to Yes and Submitting changes will
>> start gating with the next new message.
>>
> no result.


This action produces no result until a subsequent post arrives at the
news server.

What does Mailman's fromusenet log say?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Pending subscription request weirdness

2016-05-21 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 5/21/16 12:47 AM, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote:
> 
> There is only one Mailman instance in play, and I can actually see the
> subscription request in /var/lib/mailman/lists/LISTNAME/request.pck.
> I've been getting the email notification for a few days, but in the GUI
> there are "no pending requests".
> 
> dumpdb shows this:
> 
> dumpdb -p request.pck
> [- start pickle file -]
> <- start object 1 ->
> {   18: (   2,
>(   1463673214.732806,
>'redac...@ukmuenster.de',
>u'Universit\xe4tsklinikum M\xfcnster',
>'redacted',
>0,
>'de')),
>'version': (0, 1)}
> [- end pickle file -]


Is there anything in Mailman's error log when you go to the admindb page?

If you get the script at 
and run it, does it show the request?

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[Mailman-Users] Pending subscription request weirdness

2016-05-21 Thread Sebastian Hagedorn 

Hi,

I have a problem that looks like this FAQ, but I'm pretty sure it's not:



There is only one Mailman instance in play, and I can actually see the 
subscription request in /var/lib/mailman/lists/LISTNAME/request.pck. I've 
been getting the email notification for a few days, but in the GUI there 
are "no pending requests".


dumpdb shows this:

dumpdb -p request.pck
[- start pickle file -]
<- start object 1 ->
{   18: (   2,
   (   1463673214.732806,
   'redac...@ukmuenster.de',
   u'Universit\xe4tsklinikum M\xfcnster',
   'redacted',
   0,
   'de')),
   'version': (0, 1)}
[- end pickle file -]

This is Mailman 2.1.18. Any ideas?

Cheers
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[Mailman-Users] FWD: [dmarc-ietf] Last Call: (Interoperability Issues Between DMARC and Indirect Email Flows) to Informational RFC

2016-05-21 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull 
Hi, all

This IETF work affects us all, so I'm reposting here so those with the
interest can participate.

"Indirect mail flows" includes but is not limited to mailing lists.
"DMARC" is the protocol which Yahoo! and AOL used to unsubscribe
thousands of innocent list members in April 2014.  This Internet Draft
is about to be promoted to RFC, so this is really the last chance to
get any changes made.  (You can comment on a Request for Comments, but
you'll never get one changed. :-)  For our purposes,
"interoperability" means best practices for both email providers and
mailing list operators to avoid reoccurance of that "April Fool's Joke".

If you haven't participated in IETF work before, you might want to run
your comments by us (or me personally, if you prefer) before sending
them off to the IESG.  RFC-ese is not really English. ;-)  I'll be happy
to provide translation of portions of interest on request.

My personal opinion is that the last draft I looked at (#12) was very
good, but the more eyes the better.

Reply-To set to mailman-users, but personal replies to me also
welcome.  Please don't reply-all.  Also, there is no chance that DMARC
"p=reject" itself is going away, so let's not rehash that issue.

Standards-geek-ily y'rs,

The IESG writes:
 > 
 > The IESG has received a request from the Domain-based Message
 > Authentication, Reporting & Conformance WG (dmarc) to consider the
 > following document:
 > - 'Interoperability Issues Between DMARC and Indirect Email Flows'
 >as Informational RFC
 > 
 > The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
 > final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
 > i...@ietf.org mailing lists by 2016-06-03. Exceptionally, comments may be
 > sent to i...@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the
 > beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting.
 > 
 > Abstract
 > 
 > 
 >DMARC introduces a mechanism for expressing domain-level policies and
 >preferences for email message validation, disposition, and reporting.
 >The DMARC mechanism can encounter interoperability issues when
 >messages do not flow directly from the author's administrative domain
 >to the final recipients.  Collectively these email flows are referred
 >to as indirect email flows.  This document describes interoperability
 >issues between DMARC and indirect email flows.  Possible methods for
 >addressing interoperability issues are presented.
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 
 > The file can be obtained via
 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmarc-interoperability/
 > 
 > IESG discussion can be tracked via
 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmarc-interoperability/ballot/
 > 
 > 
 > No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman to inn gateway

2016-05-21 Thread jdd 

Le 21/05/2016 05:23, Mark Sapiro a écrit :


Is Mailman's cron/gatenews being run? The default crontab runs it every
5 minutes. It is required to gate from usenet to mail.


the documentation is ambiguous

https://wiki.list.org/DOC/Configuring%20cron%20to%20run%20with%20the%20correct%20privileges%2C%20troubleshoot%20cron%20error.

says that this is needed only with 2.0, I have 2.1.21

I used:

http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialMailman.html

that is:

[root prompt]# cd /usr/lib/mailman/cron
[root prompt]# crontab -u mailman crontab.in

now the test list works both ways. good. I completed my doc





for the list linux-31, no result for any way



Are the Mail<->News gateways settings other than linked_newsgroup the
same for both lists? Does the linked_newsgroup exist on nntp_host?


yes for both



Are gateway_to_news and gateway_to_mail both set to Yes for both lists?


surprisingly not. for linux-31 it was set to no. bad :-(. corrected


Mail<->News gateways -> mass_catchup to Yes and Submitting changes will
start gating with the next new message.


no result.

I could find a fix creating an other newsgroup (other name), and this 
one I could sync it with mailman.


thanks
jdd
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