Re: [Mailman-Users] Django

2017-10-03 Thread Lindsay Haisley 
On Tue, 2017-10-03 at 12:02 -0500, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
> Oh, come on. It was just a snark.

Too early in the AM here for snark. My apologies!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Django

2017-10-03 Thread Dimitri Maziuk 
On 10/03/2017 10:56 AM, Keith Seyffarth wrote:
>>> One thing to be said for Django is that at least it doesn't pull in PHP.
>>
>> You have to admit though, php scripts from 10 years ago still work.
> 
> Well, not all of them... Some things have been deprecated, and some odd
> work-arounds for shortcomings no longer behave the way they did because
> bugs have been corrected or loopholes closed.

Oh, come on. It was just a snark.

RedHat in particular is notorious for patching their RPMs without
bumping major version numbers. That's how they provide their "stable API
platform". As a result your PHP may report it's at version X, but the
actual bugfixes and security features are from version Z.a.svn13378337.
Go figure out which fine manual you need to read to figure out what
incompatible improvements you couldn't live without all these years your
PHP installation has today.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 installation instructions

2017-10-03 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 10/03/2017 04:56 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> I am porting my mailman config to a new system using openrc and, if it
> is possible, I would like to be pointed to installation and
> configuration instructions for mailman 2.1.24 and postfix


The installation manual is at
 You will also find this
in the doc/ directory in the tarball. There is also an INSTALL file in
the tarball which points to these docs.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] DKIM / DMARC woes...

2017-10-03 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users 

On 10/03/2017 10:24 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

It is not a list setting. It applies to the entire installation. It is
documented in Mailman/Defaults.py and if you want to change the default,
set it in Mailman/mm_cfg.py.


Thank you Mark.

Sorry if I'm asking obvious questions.  I've not admined Mailman in 
quite a while and I'm trying to help someone else admin Mailman remotely 
without access.  :-/




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Re: [Mailman-Users] DKIM / DMARC woes...

2017-10-03 Thread Mark Sapiro 
On 10/02/2017 11:24 PM, Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users wrote:
> 
> Is the REMOVE_DKIM_HEADERS option a per mailing list setting?  Or is it
> Mailman wide?
> 
> I'm looking through the list admin interface for Mailman 2.1.20 and not
> finding it.


It is not a list setting. It applies to the entire installation. It is
documented in Mailman/Defaults.py and if you want to change the default,
set it in Mailman/mm_cfg.py.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Django

2017-10-03 Thread Keith Seyffarth 
>> One thing to be said for Django is that at least it doesn't pull in PHP.
>
> You have to admit though, php scripts from 10 years ago still work.

Well, not all of them... Some things have been deprecated, and some odd
work-arounds for shortcomings no longer behave the way they did because
bugs have been corrected or loopholes closed.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] 2.1 installation instructions

2017-10-03 Thread Carl Zwanzig 

On 10/3/2017 4:41 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:

I am porting my mailman config to a new system using openrc and, if it
is possible, I would like to be pointed to installation and
configuration instructions for mailman 2.1.24 and postfix


A good place to start is the ./doc/ directory of mailman source 
distribution. There is also a fair bit of relevant material in the mailman 
wiki, which is linked in the footer of this list's messages.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Django

2017-10-03 Thread Lindsay Haisley 
On Tue, 2017-10-03 at 10:24 -0500, Dimitri Maziuk wrote:
> You have to admit though, php scripts from 10 years ago still work.

Not always, unfortunately. PHP has implemented some show-stoppers which
have required extensive editing of some of our customer scripts here.
The deprecation of long array names ($HTTP_*_VARS) is an example. Yes,
I can edit the php.ini file to make deprecated forms work, but the
default behavior isn't always backward-compatible. 

I hacked PHP support into Mailman some years ago for use in archive
searches but fortunately my code was pretty simple.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Django

2017-10-03 Thread Dimitri Maziuk 

On 2017-10-03 10:01, Phil Stracchino wrote:


One thing to be said for Django is that at least it doesn't pull in PHP.


You have to admit though, php scripts from 10 years ago still work.

Dima

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Django

2017-10-03 Thread Phil Stracchino 
On 10/03/17 10:06, Barry Warsaw wrote:
> On Oct 3, 2017, at 07:41, Ruben Safir  wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure why you decided to add Django as a dependency of Mailman
>> but it is a losey idea to add an additional entire operational
>> development platform in order to just get a mailing list up and running.
> 
> You must be talking about Mailman 3, where the web ui and archiver are 
> implemented as Django applications.


One thing to be said for Django is that at least it doesn't pull in PHP.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Django

2017-10-03 Thread Barry Warsaw 
On Oct 3, 2017, at 07:41, Ruben Safir  wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure why you decided to add Django as a dependency of Mailman
> but it is a losey idea to add an additional entire operational
> development platform in order to just get a mailing list up and running.

You must be talking about Mailman 3, where the web ui and archiver are 
implemented as Django applications.

Please note that neither Postorius (web ui) nor HyperKitty (archiver) are 
*required* components so if you don’t like them, you don’t need to deploy them. 
 Core is the only required piece and if you’re comfortable to write your own 
clients against Core’s REST API, you can do so using whatever technology you 
want, since it’s just HTTP+JSON.  You can augment the functionality currently 
available via REST with shell access.

Cheers,
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[Mailman-Users] 2.1 installation instructions

2017-10-03 Thread Ruben Safir 
I am porting my mailman config to a new system using openrc and, if it
is possible, I would like to be pointed to installation and
configuration instructions for mailman 2.1.24 and postfix

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[Mailman-Users] 2.1 installation instructions

2017-10-03 Thread Ruben Safir 
I am porting my mailman config to a new system using openrc and, if it
is possible, I would like to be pointed to installation and
configuration instructions for mailman 2.1.24 and postfix

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[Mailman-Users] Django

2017-10-03 Thread Ruben Safir 
I'm not sure why you decided to add Django as a dependency of Mailman
but it is a losey idea to add an additional entire operational
development platform in order to just get a mailing list up and running.

It is bad enough that the mailman python modules are constantly pinning
the CPUs of my systems, but adding Django not only means having to
completely rework my apache server configuration, which is strangely
enough is not running for the sole purpose of being used as an adjunct
to the mail list, but to force feeds an unwanted enormous security hole
since it is a development platform which is exposed to the public.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] DKIM / DMARC woes...

2017-10-03 Thread Grant Taylor via Mailman-Users 

On 09/21/2017 03:23 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

The default behavior does nothing to DKIM related headers. This is from
Defaults.py


Is the REMOVE_DKIM_HEADERS option a per mailing list setting?  Or is it 
Mailman wide?


I'm looking through the list admin interface for Mailman 2.1.20 and not 
finding it.




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