Re: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
LOTS OF LUCK! I asked how to do this and only got rude answers that said I am trying to force the software to do things it was not intended to do. If you figure it out let me know. BTW the actual restricting of posts to just you is the easy part. The numerous referneces to web pages, posting instructions, etc that do not apply to a news list will be a PITA. At 07:37 PM 5/20/2002 -0700, Benjamin Young wrote: Hi all, I am new to Mailman and have searched the archives without finding a solution to my problem but could not find an answer. I would like to create a list where only the admin has permission to post (e.g. an announcements list). I could find no way to do this but this is OK if there is a way to customize the welcome and help messages. I already customized the List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message but this only adds the message to the beginning of the pre-written message. I could not find any folders related to the list software in my site's files but can I modify the entire welcome message for each of my lists? Thanks! Benjamin -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
At 05:45 PM 5/21/2002 -0700, you wrote: This is eminently doable, but you have to be willing and able to patch Mailman. 1. Patch Mailman to be able to turn off the List-* headers on a per-list basis so you don't confuse your subscribers with instructions that don't work. I can send this patch to anyone who wants it. I haven't figured out how to contribute it to SourceForge. That part has been done after being yelled at many times about doing so violates RFC when indeed it doesn't. 2. Edit listinfo.html for each list you want to have non-standard instructions on its listinfo page. That fixes one of the pages. Does not do anything for the generic welcome message or all the other places that extraneous links are listed. 3. Restrict posting by setting member_posting_only to no and posters to the address(es) of people allowed to post. These are both on the privacy admin page. Yep thats the one logical part of the software. That's it. If you would spend half the amount of time learning Python and HTML as you do complaining, you would have figured all of this out by now. I know HTML just fine thank you but I am not a Python programmer. Even if I were the spaghetti code that this is makes it difficult to patch into logical useable code. And I was an Aerosmith fan before you were. They played at a giant beer bash at my college circa 1973 (they had one album out). Dozens of kegs and cups the size of large popcorn vats at the movies. People were passed out everywhere. It was a good time. I doubt you were and if your idea of a good time is having everyone passed out from being drunk that could explain a lot about your code. - Bob At 05:15 PM 5/21/02, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote: LOTS OF LUCK! I asked how to do this and only got rude answers that said I am trying to force the software to do things it was not intended to do. If you figure it out let me know. BTW the actual restricting of posts to just you is the easy part. The numerous referneces to web pages, posting instructions, etc that do not apply to a news list will be a PITA. At 07:37 PM 5/20/2002 -0700, Benjamin Young wrote: Hi all, I am new to Mailman and have searched the archives without finding a solution to my problem but could not find an answer. I would like to create a list where only the admin has permission to post (e.g. an announcements list). I could find no way to do this but this is OK if there is a way to customize the welcome and help messages. I already customized the List-specific text prepended to new-subscriber welcome message but this only adds the message to the beginning of the pre-written message. I could not find any folders related to the list software in my site's files but can I modify the entire welcome message for each of my lists? Thanks! Benjamin -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Read-Only Mailing Lists
At 06:21 PM 5/21/2002 -0700, you wrote: At 06:01 PM 5/21/02, you wrote: At 05:45 PM 5/21/2002 -0700, you wrote: That's it. If you would spend half the amount of time learning Python and HTML as you do complaining, you would have figured all of this out by now. I know HTML just fine thank you but I am not a Python programmer. Even if I were the spaghetti code that this is makes it difficult to patch into logical useable code. I'm not a Python programmer, either. But it's trivially easy to understand. Give it a try. It took me 30 minutes to derive this patch. Like I said it is only a partial fix to getting all of the extraneous junk out of the code. In fact most of it is stll there and if anyone knew what it was they could get to it easily. Bottom line remains that the software was not designed to do anyting but act as a discusion mailing list in a stand alone environment. Any use other than that requires at least moderate patching. Most of the request on this list for help are responded to with you are using the software in a manner it was not designed to be used or Read the FAQ. Thats the holier than thou attitude that prevails here and gets people to respond with just a negative attitude. And I was an Aerosmith fan before you were. They played at a giant beer bash at my college circa 1973 (they had one album out). Dozens of kegs and cups the size of large popcorn vats at the movies. People were passed out everywhere. It was a good time. I doubt you were and if your idea of a good time is having everyone passed out from being drunk that could explain a lot about your code. I'm not a liar. What I told you is true. The venue was Rockwell Cage at MIT, where I earned a degree in computer science and engineering. And now you've just lost your chance at getting any help from me. What an idiot. Didnt say it was a lie. Just said you were not a fan before me. Of course your restatement that its not a lie (speaking of the 'great time' party reinforces my connection between your idea of a good time and the very inflexibility of the code delivered in this software and the general dirtiness thereof. - Bob -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] User List
What is the URL that I can go to pull a complete list of all my subscribers and their password? I don't want any sort of nice cute warm and fuzzy graphical glitzed up thing, just a quick and dirty complete list. The list needs to be continuous, not paged. Any ideas? -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] User List
Does not work in a shared environment. PERMISSION DENIED every time!
BTW if any of the programmers are here can I ask why a .db format was used
and not the much simpler ASCII file? I mean this software is really great
at what it does. The problem is (like I have mentioned before) that it is
not very flexible at all and you have to go through a lot of screens and
steps to do things. I want to try to make this work on my server. Please
give me help getting all of the excessive overhead turned off that we don't
need.
Thanks
At 12:13 AM 5/16/2002 -0700, Marc MERLIN wrote:
On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:04:52AM -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin
wrote:
What is the URL that I can go to pull a complete list of all my
subscribers and their password? I don't want any sort of nice cute warm
and fuzzy graphical glitzed up thing, just a quick and dirty complete
list. The list needs to be continuous, not paged. Any ideas?
You cannot get the passwords through the web or a direct command line tool.
You can however run ~mailman/bin/dumpdb
~mailman/lists/listname/config.{db|pck} and grep from there.
You can also trivially create a web page from it with a small script
Marc
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[Mailman-Users] LISTS command
Two Issues with the LISTS command: 1) I am running in a shared environment. When I send LISTS to the listname-request address I get a listing of all lists on the server and NOT just the one(s) for that domain. My domain should not be allowed to advertise other webmasters' lets. In fact I DON'T WANT TO advertise other lists from my domain. Can this be patched somehow? 2) Why is it that I have to send a request to listname-request to get a listing of the mailing lists at a domain. What if I don't know the name of ANY lists at the domain? Shouldn't I (if i can I have not figured out how to do it) be able to send something to a master mailman address and get the lists? Seems pretty logical to me. I am old and slow so maybe I missed this one. Thanks! -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] User List
At 12:35 AM 5/16/2002 -0700, you wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:25:53AM -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote: Does not work in a shared environment. PERMISSION DENIED every time! Uh? You gotta be part of the group mailman to have permissions on the db. Damn this really sucks. I imagine this software just was not designed to run in a shared environment. BTW if any of the programmers are here can I ask why a .db format was used Because you don't want to a access a 10,000+ membership list linearly. That's programming 101. I serious doubt even a SMALL percent of lists have that many users. But never mind, thats not the point. and not the much simpler ASCII file? I mean this software is really great at what it does. The problem is (like I have mentioned before) that it is not very flexible at all and you have to go through a lot of screens and steps to do things. I want to try to make this work on my server. Please Not really, you just try to do all the things it wasn't designed for and then complain that there isn't a front end of it. You make my point. IT WASNT DESIGNED to be used but in a single manner. I know I am not the only one who has made request like these. I have gotten a lot of private responses asking that if I get a way to fix the problems to let them know as well. Also it is NOT complaining to ask for help or request knowledge. The fact that the program cannot do what a person asks does not mean that the person is complaining. The product really isnt as flexible as it could be. Thats not kicking anyone's cat it is simply stating a point of fact. If you needed to list the membership, you could do it with ~mailman/bin/list_members. If you want a raw dump of the DB, you can get it with ~mailman/bin/dumpdb What else do you want? If you're missing the glue for what you want, you get to write it, the base tools are there. give me help getting all of the excessive overhead turned off that we don't need. Eh, don't complain to us if you need to shave the conners off your cube as you're hammering it into a round hole. It's open source, you can do that if you want, but you get to shave the said corners off, not us. (Well, Barry Zope.com take monetary bribes, but that's a different matter :-p) Again it was a request. I ask not to remove corners but to not have to use all kinds of extraneous layers and levels of control freak features. I made a request to learn how to edit the standard message returned when the HELP command is issued because I dont use the web interface pages for my lists. I want to remove the reference to them. Thats a really simple request. I don't know what file to work with so I asked. I asked how to not have to force users to have passwords and all I get is people giving me crap about what you want your subscribers mass unsubscribed by other people. Obviously I do not consider that to be a risk worth going to all the hassle of passwords over. In my previous 8 years of running lists I had ZERO instances of this. Of course these lists were set up that one could only unsubscribe a given address from that address. Gee no need for passwords! Point is that every request made that does not have an already defined fix, etc seems to be treated as a complaint or an attack on someone. It would be better for the list as a whole if the folks who have nothing better to say than if you don't like it write the code yourself, Hey its not my problem, or quitcher bitchin would just move on to the next email and help with what they have a constructive solution for. Although I guess that is what makes some folks happy, just sitting there and pissing and moaning at everyone else. Thanks! -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] User List
At 04:17 PM 5/16/2002 +0200, you wrote: AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote: At 12:35 AM 5/16/2002 -0700, you wrote: On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 03:25:53AM -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote: Does not work in a shared environment. PERMISSION DENIED every time! Uh? You gotta be part of the group mailman to have permissions on the db. Damn this really sucks. I imagine this software just was not designed to run in a shared environment. permissions are a basic requirement for shared environments. you obviously don't know what you are talking about. the problem is: you talk loudly. You stick your nose where it doesn't belong. I fully know permissions. In a shared environment not all users have the permissions to access certain'master' files. You do know what I mean by a master file. It is a basic concept. please try to understand the basic principles of open-source software (and while you're at it, there is a good howto by eric raymond on how to ask intelligent questions, you might want to digest that too) before you post again to this list. The fact that the software is open source is not even slightly relevant. then try to get a clue about the fact that your way to use mailing lists is not the only way in this solar system. more precisely, yours is in fact a very special, rather limited usage of mailing lists, which is why you don't understand what most of mailman's features are about. A news list rather than a discussion list is not specialized at all. Many sites use them. When you go to a site where you have to register you often have a check box to sign up to receive information from them. guess what? That's a NEWS list. You can't send to it. I fully understand how MM works. It works in a limited manner with little flexibility. stop being obnoxious to people who donate software to you. get yourself out of bed, learn python and contribute. or buy some guy that will spoon-feed you the basics and whine to him. Obnoxious is the people on the list who answer damn near every question on here with a curt read the FAQ. or worse. Often the FAQ does not say anything about the question asked other than it can't be done. In that case the obnoxious jerk who replied could have easily made comment to the limitation, etc. Asking for help and making suggestions for improvements is not being obnoxious. Maybe in your country all folks do is take what they are given and move along never trying to improve things. That's not the way it is done in the rest of reality. You again make a poor assumption here that everyone who uses Open Source (whether by choice or not) is automatically a programmer. Funny how the users here are the ones whining when I ask a question whereas (at least one of) the programmers have answered (at least some of) my questions with real answers in direct mail. in the mean time, welcome to yet another killfile. Poor baby! Had your little feelings hurt so you take your toys and go home to mommy. Oh well it is asshole like you who should not even be allowed on the Internet. If you want to be involved in a conversation stay in it for the whole thing. Otherwise just shut to hell up and quit showing how childish and immature the little boys in your country are. jörn -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] is private mail being redirected here?
They are not one sided conversations. The discussion was in reply to a question that I asked on the list. IMHO it is proper to continue posting to the list. In fact the undesired behavior is to take a list discussion private. Questions that are asked that relate to the general topic of the list should stay there. Most often if there is a question by one subscriber then others on the list would have the same or similar questions. keeping the discussion on the list gives all subscribers benefit of the answer, etc. However if the reply one is giving is one that is an ad hominem matter then the reply should not have been made in he first place, It is not an issue of whether it belongs on the list or not. So your beef is with the folks who choose not to answer a list post on the list, not with the people who keep posts where they belong. Thanks... At 04:53 AM 5/14/2002 -0400, you wrote: I am seeing what appears to be a series of one-sided answer posts from [EMAIL PROTECTED] quoting messages that have not previously appeared on the mailman-users list. If this person is redirecting private responses to the list without the correspondent's permission, that's considered rude Net behavior and they should cease. If there is some other technical explanation, perhaps it's a Mailman issue. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help
I have my list closed so that only subscribers can post. I keep getting these emails each time a non-subscriber tries to post saying that I have to go approve or reject the post. Hey guess what, I made it closed because I DONT want these posts. Go figure! So tell me how do I make it stop sending me these emails and adding all of these tasks to an admin queue when it is blatantly obvious that I dont want the posts in the first place. if I did i would not have closed the list. At 12:28 PM 5/13/2002 -0700, Elaine Miller wrote: No, it looks as though Hostway offers Unix *and* Weendows hosting. Joe, it depends on what your hosting provider can offer you. Mailman works on Unix-based systems, but needs to be installed on their server by them, not on your home computer. (Unless you're running a home server?) Most hosting packages offer some sort of mailing list service: you may do better to ask them what they're giving you for your money. -Elaine On 13 May 2002 at 11:39, Raquel Rice wrote: On Mon, 13 May 2002 09:29:54 -0400 Bolzenius, Joseph S. Bolzenius, Joseph S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just started a webpage with Frontpage software on my Windows based PC and am using Hostway.com as my web hosting service. I saw that your maillist service is free and want to use it, but don't know how...it mentions that it may not work with windows. What do I do? Joe Full Shred Plow Mailman is not a service, it is software that runs on the server. Since it does not run on Windoze and your hosting company runs Windoze servers, it appears that you'll have to use another piece of software that will run on your server -- Raquel One day Alice came to a fork in the road and saw a Cheshire cat in a tree. Which road do I take? she asked. Where do you want to go? was his response. I don't know, Alice answered. Then, said the cat, it doesn't matter. --Lewis Carroll -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Elaine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://elainemiller.com https://www.paypal.com/xclick/business=elaine%40elainemiller.comitem_name= Give+Elaine+Money+Just+Becauseitem_number=667 -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] The moderation/SPAM queue
Now thats about the stupidest statement I have ever seen! Mail that you dont see on the list does not get to the list. Same damn thing. What people send is another issue. Folks can send what ever they want where ever and when ever they want. As long as it is blocked from the list then the list does not get the mail. I stand by what I said. If you set up your list correctly then the list will not get any spam which means none of the list subscribers will get any spam in their mailboxes that are a result of being subscribed to the list. At 04:49 PM 5/13/2002 -0600, Mike Avery wrote: On 10 May 2002 at 17:48, AerosmithFanClub.com List Adm wrote: A correctly configured list will get ZERO spam. Not quite. A correctly configured list will see zero spam. However, any list that has any real presence will be subjected to any number of attacks. Once the email address is known, spammers will try to send to it. Mike -- Mike Avery [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 16241692AOL IM: MAvery81230 Phone: 970-642-0282 * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other way * A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: Company coming? House a mess? Display old Get Well cards. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] The moderation/SPAM queue
Technically the other person is way anal. The mail does not get to the list until it is delivered to the subscribers. Until then it is in the process of being sent. So if I or my subscribers never GET it in our mailboxes then the list does not GET mail. You sendign something does not mean that I get it. At 05:00 PM 5/13/2002 -0600, Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote: Mail that you dont see on the list does not get to the list. Same damn thing. As long as it is blocked from the list then the list does not get the mail. I stand by what I said. If you set up your list correctly then the list will not get any spam which means none of the list subscribers will get any spam in their mailboxes that are a result of being subscribed to the list. What he said was correct: A correctly configured list will get ZERO spam. Not quite. A correctly configured list will see zero spam. Any list with any kind of presence WILL get SPAM. It just won't be DELIVERED to the subscribers. His statement is correct: your list will GET SPAM, your subscribers just will not SEE it. Two different things. It's a technicality not worth arguing about... -- W | I haven't lost my mind; it's backed up on tape somewhere. + Ashley M. Kirchner mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . 303.442.6410 x130 IT Director / SysAdmin / WebSmith . 800.441.3873 x130 Photo Craft Laboratories, Inc.. 3550 Arapahoe Ave. #6 http://www.pcraft.com . . .. Boulder, CO 80303, U.S.A. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] Help
Herein lies the rub with the mailman program. The programmers ASS-U-ME that everyone using the software as full access to the server on which it is run. Many users have this in a shared server environment and these wonderful patches to make up for short comings in the software are not an alternative. The software basically is not too bad. The fact there is very little that a list owner can set up to his liking without hacking a lot of places is troubling. All of this type of things should not even be an issue. There should be options in the admin interface to handle all of this. Majordomo is SO simple and straight forward. All you do is set a single config file and bang you are on the way. With this you have to hack here to fix this and there to fix that so that eventually you have no clue what all has ben done! The 'fix' you offer me for this question is not a fix at all. It is merely a cover up. The messages are still queued up and stored. All that happens is that a cron job nukes them. Heck bounced messages should NOT default to being stored anyway. You should have to enable it if you want it. The whole purpose of closing a list is to not get crap mail that you dont want. If I wanted to have to approve mail i would have set it up to be moderated. At 10:05 AM 5/14/2002 +0800, Lewis Lau wrote: Hey man, Read the FAQ! Topic on: How do I automatically delete held messages? Lewis At 06:18 PM 5/13/02 -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote: I have my list closed so that only subscribers can post. I keep getting these emails each time a non-subscriber tries to post saying that I have to go approve or reject the post. Hey guess what, I made it closed because I DONT want these posts. Go figure! So tell me how do I make it stop sending me these emails and adding all of these tasks to an admin queue when it is blatantly obvious that I dont want the posts in the first place. if I did i would not have closed the list. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
RE: [Mailman-Users] Help
Well bully for you. Its just fine that you like it. I like it as well just wish that it was not such a pain in the butt to do anything other than the EXACT way the programmers dictate that they be done. The fact is that the software is nit flexible at all. If you know anything about programming other than being able to spout technobabble you will know what I mean by that and that I am 100% accurate in saying it. Keep in mind that pure numbers has no relation what so ever with quality or anything else. If such a relationship did exist then AOL would be the best software ever to hit the net and cockroaches would be the most intelligent species on the face of the Earth. Mailman is not even close to as flexible and easy to use as Majordomo. You don't have to worry about all these FORCED options that Mailman has. You don't have to keep track of all kinds of web pages that are not even needed to run a mailing list. You don't have to hack your system every time you want to set up a list option. All you need to do is set a single config file and run your list spam free for years. Of course if you are a anal retentive power junkie who has to feel like you control aspect of a simple mailing list (as if was ever making any difference to the operations thereof) you can add all these absurd FORCED passwords, headers, queues of unrequested mail, etc. You don't have to put up with any of that sort of junk with majordomo. (BTW the hack you suggested in the FAQ is asinine. It also deletes all subscription requests from making it to the admin. Your suggestions is akin to suggesting that one burn down their house because a light bulb is burnt out. If the programmers are so thin skinned that they cannot handle someone pointing out shortcoming in heir code then they need to find other work. It comes with the territory. When you release code you will get feedback that with at least some frequency does not gloss over everything and pretend that the said code is absolutely perfect. :) Enjoy! At 10:49 PM 5/13/2002 -0400, you wrote: Many of us love Mailman, and have been using it for what it was designed for, with whatever assumptions the developer(s) had in mind, for quite some time. Considering that the software is Open Source, and that the developer(s) has not charged you for it's use, or the owners/administrators of the server you are using, you've got quite a damn good deal! I suppose you could learn some programming and develop your own list that works perfectly for you, and you could ASS-U-ME for only your needs, and no one elses. Or you could use any one of the other commercial programs that are available, and pay some big bucks to do so. You might even get exactly what you want, too. As far as comparing Mailman to Majordomo, Mailman in my opinion is way superior. But you do have options. You could find a hosting company that offers Majordomo. It's a pain, I know, but then, that might be easier for you in the long run, and then the developers who offered this software for no cost and made it available to you and your server's owner wouldn't need to read silly words that are in effect, insulting. Perhaps the biggest Ass is, in fact, you. Herein lies the rub with the mailman program. The programmers ASS-U-ME that everyone using the software as full access to the server on which it is run. Many users have this in a shared server environment and these wonderful patches to make up for short comings in the software are not an alternative. The software basically is not too bad. The fact there is very little that a list owner can set up to his liking without hacking a lot of places is troubling. All of this type of things should not even be an issue. There should be options in the admin interface to handle all of this. Majordomo is SO simple and straight forward. All you do is set a single config file and bang you are on the way. With this you have to hack here to fix this and there to fix that so that eventually you have no clue what all has ben done! The 'fix' you offer me for this question is not a fix at all. It is merely a cover up. The messages are still queued up and stored. All that happens is that a cron job nukes them. Heck bounced messages should NOT default to being stored anyway. You should have to enable it if you want it. The whole purpose of closing a list is to not get crap mail that you dont want. If I wanted to have to approve mail i would have set it up to be moderated. At 10:05 AM 5/14/2002 +0800, Lewis Lau wrote: Hey man, Read the FAQ! Topic on: How do I automatically delete held messages? Lewis At 06:18 PM 5/13/02 -0400, AerosmithFanClub.com List Admin wrote: I have my list closed so that only subscribers can post. I keep getting these emails each time a non-subscriber
RE: [Mailman-Users] Help
With Majordomo there IS nothing to maintain! That was the point I was trying to make. I do understand that it is a case of different strokes for different folks. I have no problem with that what-so-ever. MM is not at all designed for use as a news list. It may well work OK for a discussion list but as far as news list goes it is horrid. I am stuck with all these irrelevant headers that tell folks how to post, etc when in all reality they CANT post. So now people start sending to the list because the list tells them to and I start getting tons of bounced mail. Now I cant turn off the mail bouncing thing, I am FORCED to go manually delete each mail. Oh yeah I can hack the code to make it so that the bounces go away but then people cant subscribe. What good is a list where people cant subscribe. So it is a vicious circle. I do things the way the programmers want them to be done and thats all there is to it. It is very frustrating to see software that is so close to being excellent but because of a few minor issues is almost unusable. I am sure you follow what I am saying here. At 11:15 PM 5/13/2002 -0400, you wrote: we switched from majordomo and our listowners and thier lists have both commented how much easier it is to do administration and they feel the interface is user friendly. it would be nice if there was a way to set an option to assume reject as a default for posts to closed lists from non-members without also throwing out subscription requests. Perhaps something in the future for 2.1? Thanks Fuz -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] New user question
Well damn that sucks. This is one of the areas of this program that whoever wrote it got just a little too anal. It is JUST a mailing list. Heck I ran a list under Majordomo for 8 years w/o a single spam coming across the list and no one getting unsubscribed without them doing it themselves. That is a great product. It is very easy to use and nowhere near as complicated and cumbersome as Mailman. I had to change because my host changed server packages and they only use Mailman now. My suggestion is to make this a LOT simpler and do away with all the levels of control and protection. Its way overkill. The simplicity of using plain old email to subscribe and/or unsubscribe is much preferred over the web interface and passwords. On top of that all those damn extra headers that are added to each email are a total pain. If you (whoever you are) would make it so that each list could be configured the way he list master wants rather than force certain methodologies on us would greatly be appreciated. Thanks... At 09:29 PM 5/11/2002 -0400, Barry A. Warsaw wrote: AcLA == AerosmithFanClub com List Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AcLA All I am asking (and asking again) is if there is a way to AcLA set up an initial list of subscribers all with the common AcLA password? Now without a bit of Python programming and shell access, or with a lot of manual admin'ing of the list. FTR, MM2.1 can be run in a way that the presence of passwords is largely invisible to your membership. While they'll still have them, if all they want to do is subscribe, read list traffic, and unsubscribe, they'll never have to know their password. There are mailback confirmations for subscribing and unsubscribing. -Barry -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] New user question
At 07:28 PM 5/11/2002 -0700, J C Lawrence wrote: On Sat, 11 May 2002 21:36:11 -0400 ` AerosmithFanClub com List Admin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well damn that sucks. Mailman is not for you at this point. I recommend finding another mailing list solution. I have no choice in the matter. I am trying to make it as easy to use as possible for all my subscribers. My suggestion is to make this a LOT simpler and do away with all the levels of control and protection. Its way overkill. 2.1, with some adaption, (may need an external data store adaptor for the membership roster(s)) can be configured to do what you want. This is a shared installation of MM that cannot be moded by individual list owners UNLESS the options are allowed in the list config. The simplicity of using plain old email to subscribe and/or unsubscribe is much preferred over the web interface and passwords. You can subscribe and unsubscribe from Mailman lists using only email. As long as you know your password which is a totally unnecessary complication of list software. On top of that all those damn extra headers that are added to each email are a total pain. Please read RFC 2369 and the FAQ: FAQ has long sicne been read. Perhaps YOU and the programmers should read the part where this is OPTIONAL and not something that shoudl be FORCED onto people. Actually there is a prevailing programming style of forcing list to be controlled to the Nth degree. Like I was saying earlier this is ONLY a mailing list. It is not like it is hold the keys to the US nuclear arsenal or anything. I am in no way talking down about the programming abilities of the folks who wrote this software. I am merely saying that just because it is possible to write code to secure things to the equivalent top secrecy, a mailing list is not the place to implement it all. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- J C Lawrence -(*)Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas. [EMAIL PROTECTED] He lived as a devil, eh? http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/ Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Re: [Mailman-Users] The moderation/SPAM queue
A correctly configured list will get ZERO spam.
At 06:04 PM 5/9/2002 -0400, Chuck Peters wrote:
I am sure many of you are spending some time moderating lists where most
of the moderation is SPAM. A couple lists ar getting more spam than
legitimate traffic and its a real pain to clean this up via the web
interface.
If their an effecient way to clean out this spam rather than scrolling
through and checking discard for all admin request(s) waiting? Lynx
$MAILMAN/data and deleting the helmsg would be faster that the web
interface. Will rm $MAILMAN/data/heldmsg-listname* work ok or will it
cause problems?
Also how do I clean out this subscription db?
# strings ../data/pending_subscriptions.db
{iOj
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
kaf232i
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
coobkei
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
hahahai
lastculltimeiI
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
WOAINI789i
Thanks,
Chuck
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[Mailman-Users] New user question
I have a few questions about MM. Lets start with the whole password thing. First I like the software but it really is way over kill in the area of complication. For example the whole idea of passwords for each user is really (in many cases) totally unnecessary. My users don't want to have to keep track of a password nor do they want to get these daily emails about the. I see that you can specify a password (at least I think you can) when you subscribe. I set up mailto links for users to subscribe and set the password in the subscribe email. Problem is that I have about 200 users I need to add. I go into the admin control panel to subscribe them all and use the [EMAIL PROTECTED] password syntax but it looks like that the admin interface does not accept the password parameter. is there a way to simply turn OFF the whole password thing or have it default to the list name for all users? Thanks, Aero -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
