[Mailman-Users] HTML mail getting garbled

2005-07-27 Thread Allen Watson
I'm having a problem like Liviu reported a couple of weeks ago. I'm on Mac OS X
Tiger. I created an HTML mail message as follows:

Message, including graphic, is posted as a web page by our designer. I
open this in a browser, and use Safari's "Mail contents of this Page"
command, which creates a message in Mail.app. The message looks
perfect. I address it to our list, and CC it to myself.

Second method: Using Microsoft Word's "Open Web Page" command, I
access the web page. It opens and displays in Word, graphic and
formatting as desired. I use Word's command, "Send to Mail Recipient
as HTML", which creates a message in Entourage. Message looks fine.
Address it as above.

With both methods, the copy I CC to myself, which does not pass
through the mailing list, arrives in my Entourage In Box looking just
as it should. The copies that pass through the list (I am subscribed
under 3 different addresses on mac.com, Earthlink.net, and a pair.com
mail account) all arrive in Entourage with the logo missing, and the two-column
format is lost; the left column appears at the top above the right
column material. Bold and italic are preserved; the messages are HTML,
but imperfect.

At least one other person, who uses a Windows machine, reports that
one of the messages arrived for him with the logo intact, but the
other lacked the logo.

In pair.com's SquirrelMail web interface, it comes through as plain text.

Earthlink's standard web interface displays the message perfectly;
their beta interface keeps the graphic, but distorts it, and displaces
some of the text from a left column to the top of the page.

Does anyone have an explanation for this strangeness, or have any
suggestions on what we can do about it?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Odd notification problem

2005-06-24 Thread Allen Watson
As often happens, posting here led to solving the problem for myself.
Turns out I had a mail rule that was supposed to be catching and
replying to the notices; it was failing. A subsequent rule was
deleting *-bounce notification messages (under the assumption that all
the ones I wanted to do something about had already been handled).

Nothing wrong with Mailman.

On 6/24/05, Allen Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have a list set up with two addresses as Administrator, and with the
> option checked to notify the administrator of subscriptions and
> unsubscribe requests. (No approval needed for either.) This was
> working fine until recently, when I changed some options on this and a
> number of lists to have just a single admin. The second party
> requested that he be added back, which I did. And I probably changed
> something else because this is the weird result:
> 
> I am receiving unsubscribe notices, but NOT subscribe notices. How
> that is possible, since there is only a single checkbox to control it,
> I do not know.
> 
> The other guy is receiving subscribe notices, and I do not know yet if
> he is getting the unsubscribe notices.
> 
> Our names are specified in the same box in the General Options page.
> How can we be receiving different things?
> 
> The only thing I can think of is that I am also given as Moderator,
> and he is not.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> This is very important to me, because when someone subscribes and I am
> notified, my mail client is set up to respond with certain replies,
> including sending a PDF attachment to the new subscriber. Currently
> that isn't happening because I am not getting the notices.
>
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[Mailman-Users] Odd notification problem

2005-06-24 Thread Allen Watson
I have a list set up with two addresses as Administrator, and with the
option checked to notify the administrator of subscriptions and
unsubscribe requests. (No approval needed for either.) This was
working fine until recently, when I changed some options on this and a
number of lists to have just a single admin. The second party
requested that he be added back, which I did. And I probably changed
something else because this is the weird result:

I am receiving unsubscribe notices, but NOT subscribe notices. How
that is possible, since there is only a single checkbox to control it,
I do not know.

The other guy is receiving subscribe notices, and I do not know yet if
he is getting the unsubscribe notices.

Our names are specified in the same box in the General Options page.
How can we be receiving different things?

The only thing I can think of is that I am also given as Moderator,
and he is not.

Any ideas? 

This is very important to me, because when someone subscribes and I am
notified, my mail client is set up to respond with certain replies,
including sending a PDF attachment to the new subscriber. Currently
that isn't happening because I am not getting the notices.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Listing bouncing addresses

2005-06-04 Thread Allen Watson
Is there no way way to do this either via the web interface or by
e-mail to the "request" address? I do not host the lists I administer,
and I need to get a listing of NOMAIL subscribers for several lists.
Perhaps some form of the "who" command?

On 4/24/05, Jim Tittsler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Apr 22, 2005, at 21:44, Nico wrote:
> 
> > How do I get a list of all the subscribers with a bounce score > 0
> > (and not
> > de-activated)?
> 
> You can use bin/withlist to review getBouncingMembers().  If you want
> details about last bounce, how many bounce notifications, you can use
> getBounceInfo(member):
> 
> $ bin/withlist mylist
>  >>> from Mailman.MemberAdaptor import ENABLED
>  >>> for member in m.getBouncingMembers():
> ... if m.getDeliveryStatus(member) == ENABLED:
> ... print member
> ... print m.getBounceInfo(member)
> ...
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Removing attachment

2005-02-22 Thread Allen Watson
It really would be so much better if there were a simple setting to
reject ALL messages with attachments, as some other mailing list
software provides. It can't be so difficult...


On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 14:29:38 +0100, Guillaume Morin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I would like to remove all attachments of the mails going to a specific
> mailing list. Browsing the doc and the faq, I have seen that we can
> block specific attachment, according to their MIME type, but I want to
> remove all of them. Can I do this with mailman ?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Guillaume Morin
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[Mailman-Users] Re: confirm 415f1e7c20f27b8583e84cdc7bf87dcbff2837c7

2004-12-06 Thread Allen Watson



On 12/5/04 10:31 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Mailing list removal confirmation notice for mailing list
> Mailman-Users
> 
> We have received a request for the removal of your email address,
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" from the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list.
> To confirm that you want to be removed from this mailing list, simply
> reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact.  Or visit
> this web page:
> 
> 
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/confirm/mailman-users/415f1e7c20f27b8583e84cdc7
> bf87dcbff2837c7
> 
> 
> Or include the following line -- and only the following line -- in a
> message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> 
> confirm 415f1e7c20f27b8583e84cdc7bf87dcbff2837c7
> 
> Note that simply sending a `reply' to this message should work from
> most mail readers, since that usually leaves the Subject: line in the
> right form (additional "Re:" text in the Subject: is okay).
> 
> If you do not wish to be removed from this list, please simply
> disregard this message.  If you think you are being maliciously
> removed from the list, or have any other questions, send them to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Exporting subscribers list

2004-12-05 Thread Allen Watson
I've found that I can get a membership list via email: I send a message to

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

The message consists of "who admin-password"

I get a full listing back of all non-hidden members. I've set all my lists
to default to non-hidden. You would need to reformat the text of the list
you receive, because it includes real names if given.

On 11/19/04 8:52 AM, "Arlequín" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello, there!
> 
> I am using MailMain trough its web-based interface. I don't have access
> to the server where its runs, because it's a third-party hosting company
> which provides me the MailMan service.
> 
> I want to export the subscribers list in a format like this:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> . . . . . . .
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> I wasn't able to find the way to perform this operation, searching
> deeply into the options tree.
> 
> Is it possible to obtain this kind of list?
> 
> T.I.A.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Duplicates and list-in-list

2004-11-14 Thread Allen Watson
Too bad. I can't use the workaround in the FAQ, because my six lists are on
a pair.com server; I do not have command line access.

I've devised a way to do this (combine the six lists into a single list with
no duplicate addresses) by using the "who" command to get all six lists
mailed to me. I combine these, sort and remove duplicates using BBEdit.
Then, I import the lot into an address book group in Microsoft Entourage,
and mail it. Even with about 1000 entries, Entourage via Earthlink seems to
handle the load OK.

I've thought of setting up a seventh, master list, and updating it each time
we need to use it, rather like your script does. I may go that route. But I
wish there were a simpler way. It is a pain in the neck to have to do this
every time we want to use the "master list." Fortunately, we don't need to
do it that often.


On 11/12/04 6:30 PM, "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> What happens to addresses that are on both lists? Do the recipients get two
>> copies of everything sent to ListC? Or are duplicates filtered out
>> automatically, so each recipient receives just one copy?
> 
> Duplicates are not filtered. Those who are members of both listA and
> listB will receive two copies of each post to listC.
> 
> See FAQ article 3.5 for one way to work around this.
> 
>> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

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[Mailman-Users] Duplicates and list-in-list

2004-11-12 Thread Allen Watson
Suppose I have two mailing lists, ListA and ListB. Some individuals are on
both lists, but most of the addresses are unique to one or the other list.

Now, suppose I set up a third list, ListC, that consists of two members:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

What happens to addresses that are on both lists? Do the recipients get two
copies of everything sent to ListC? Or are duplicates filtered out
automatically, so each recipient receives just one copy?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Admin unsubscribe members by e-mail

2004-11-06 Thread Allen Watson
On 11/5/04 5:34 PM, "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Allen Watson wrote:
> 
>> Applescript can use "do shell script" to access shell commands. I don't seem
>> to have wget on my OS 10.3.5 system; can "curl" do the job?
>> 
>> I tried running it; it returned the HTML for the page, looking like it is
>> halfway there. I tried entering the URL you gave (with appropriate values
>> substituted), but it seems to call up the member options page with
>> everything from the user's address on as the user's address. That is, it
>> says, "Yourlist list: Member Options for
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]&unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1&password=AdminPwd" at the top of the
>> page. It does not seem to understand anything after that address. Is
>> something missing?
>> 
>> This approach seems really promising; I hope we can work out the kinks.
> 
> The first & should be ?
> 
> http://www.example.com/mailman/options/test_2/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&unsubcon
> firm=1&password=AdminPwd
> 
Yes! That works. Thanks a million; I will write me an AppleScript that will
let me select an e-mail address, run the script, and cause that person to be
unsubscribed. And as I manage six lists, it will let me select from a list
of six names. 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Admin unsubscribe members by e-mail

2004-11-05 Thread Allen Watson
Applescript can use "do shell script" to access shell commands. I don't seem
to have wget on my OS 10.3.5 system; can "curl" do the job?

I tried running it; it returned the HTML for the page, looking like it is
halfway there. I tried entering the URL you gave (with appropriate values
substituted), but it seems to call up the member options page with
everything from the user's address on as the user's address. That is, it
says, "Yourlist list: Member Options for
[EMAIL PROTECTED]&unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1&password=AdminPwd" at the top of the
page. It does not seem to understand anything after that address. Is
something missing? 

This approach seems really promising; I hope we can work out the kinks.

On 11/5/04 3:55 PM, "Tokio Kikuchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> wget 
> 'http://www.example.com/mailman/options/yourlist/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&unsub=1&unsub
> confirm=1&password=AdminPwd'

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Admin unsubscribe members by e-mail

2004-11-05 Thread Allen Watson
On 11/4/04 8:25 AM, "Mark Sapiro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Allen Watson wrote:
> 
>> The documentation describes the unsubscribe command like this:
>> 
>>unsubscribe [password] [address=]
>> 
>> Can I use that with the admin password and "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"?
> 
> If the list's unsubscribe_policy is set to require admin approval, no
> password is required in the unsubscribe e-mail command, but then you
> have to approve the unsubscribe on the web so this probably doesn't
> work for you.
> 
> Currently, only the users' password works; the list admin password
> doesn't.
> 

I'd like to suggest, then, that this ability be added to Mailman. Listserv
has it. It is extremely useful and saves a lot of time.
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[Mailman-Users] Admin unsubscribe members by e-mail

2004-11-04 Thread Allen Watson
I have a situation in which I frequently need to manually unsubscribe some
members from my list--usually triggered by some incoming message such as an
unrecognized bounce. Instead of going to the list's admin page and using
"Mass Unsubscribe", or looking up the member and checking the unsub box, I
would like to be able to unsubscribe them by e-mail using an admin password,
such as:

unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] pwd=AdminPwd

Reason: I want to partially automate the unsub process using AppleScript.

The documentation describes the unsubscribe command like this:

unsubscribe [password] [address=]

Can I use that with the admin password and "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] help

2004-08-28 Thread Allen Watson
You're right; they are basic questions. I'd suggest reading the
documentation that is available at:

Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

And at

<http://www.list.org/docs.html>

On or near 8/27/04 2:28 PM, nderrff retrgrtg at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
observed:

> Hey. I have just started to use your mailing list program, but i am new to
> website making etc.
> 
> I have set up a mailing list, but i do not understand certain things.
> 
> Is there a way of allowing people to subscribe to it on my website without
> having to visit those pages?
> 
People can subscribe by sending a message to
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]", if that is your list name and your
domain. On your web page you need a link like this:

mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">Click here to
subscribe.

> Also, if the email is [EMAIL PROTECTED]  and I want to send a
> newsletter, do I send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and then it will
> be distributed to everyone on the list?
> 
Yes, that's how it works.

> Is there a way allowing only me to send emails to people on the list?
> 
Make everyone on the list moderated by setting their "Mod" bit; you'll see
this in the Membership list on the web interface. Then, insert your own
address in the list of those allowed to post to the list, in the Privacy
section of settings.
> 
> Hope you can help..i'm sure they are basic questions..just i am a bit
> confused..hehe
> 
> thx
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Delete posting without shell access

2004-08-25 Thread Allen Watson
On or near 8/24/04 11:45 AM, John W. Baxter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] observed:

> I think there is little choice for the future but to make more of the
> bin/xxx capabilities, and archive management, available by means other than
> shell access.

I'd vote strongly in favor of changes in that direction. Just ran into a
situation where I was unable to do what I wanted for lack of shell access.
Fortunately my provider was willing to do it for me, free; but I'd much
rather be able to do it myself. I've run into the inability to delete
messages from the archive in the past--in that case, a message with
offensive language that we wanted removed.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mass settings

2004-08-25 Thread Allen Watson
On or near 8/24/04 9:33 PM, Jim Tittsler at [EMAIL PROTECTED] observed:

> On Aug 25, 2004, at 06:13, Allen Watson wrote:
>>> You need shell access to use withlist. If all you have is the web
>>> interface I suspect you'd have to go through and do it manually.
>>> 
>>> 
>> That's the case AFAIK. I'll have to inquire at Pair.com to see if I
>> can get
>> access.
> 
> bin/withlist is the best solution.
> 
> However if you don't have shell access, there is the kludge of
> *locally* scripting the web operations necessary to get your result...
> working entirely through the web interface.

Jim, thanks for all this info (deleted for brevity)...
> 
> Given a list of subscriber email addresses (which you may be able to
> obtain by mailing the 'who' command to the list-request, although it
> sounds like you have a list that you mass subscribed)

It was the attempt to use "who" that uncovered the problem of everyone being
set "hide"; when that's the case, the "who" list is empty!

> For extra credit, you could scrape the users that need setting from the
> Membership Management web pages.
> 
That's what I'd have to do...but pair.com simply un-hid everyone for me.
Still, I've saved your script for possible use later, modified for other
purposes.

> Or use a shell script taking advantage of curl's -F option.
> 
That escapes me. I read the man entry on the -F option, but I'm not clear
how I would use it. (Don't feel you need to explain. My experience with Unix
shell scripts is limited to some stuff I did about 30 years ago and a few
simple things done on my Mac OS X system.)

> I feel so unclean.

LOL!
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mass settings

2004-08-24 Thread Allen Watson
On or near 8/24/04 11:42 AM, Jeff Barger at [EMAIL PROTECTED] observed:

> 
> On Aug 24, 2004, at 2:38 PM, Allen Watson wrote:
> 
>> On 8/24/04 11:34 AM, I wrote:
>> 
>>>> 
>>>> You can do this using 'withlist'.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> I don't see "withlist" in the documentation I've been able to find.
>> 
>> I should clarify; I am a list admin, but I don't have command line
>> access to
>> the system on which Mailman is running. I'm limited to the web
>> interface or
>> e-mail commands to thelist-request address. The folks at pair.com are
>> providing the lists to web hosting customers for free, so I can't
>> expect
>> much support from them in this regard.
> 
> You need shell access to use withlist. If all you have is the web
> interface I suspect you'd have to go through and do it manually.
> 
> 
That's the case AFAIK. I'll have to inquire at Pair.com to see if I can get
access. 

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[Mailman-Users] Mass settings

2004-08-24 Thread Allen Watson
When I populated a list with hundreds of addresses, I inadvertantly set the
default of all users to "Hide". I want to unhide all of them. Is there any
way I can do this en masse, rather than individually unchecking "Hide" for
every user in the web interface?
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