[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman3 list migration possibly new domain

[Andrew Hodgson]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>On 5/30/20 1:41 PM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I have a list to migrate to Mailman3 from Mailman2 but the domain of the 
>> list may change at some point in the future.  I was hoping to marry up the 2 
>> events but its not looking likely at the moment.
>> 
>>>From what I have tested the Hyperkitty archives can be imported into any 
>>>list so long as it exists.  My question relates to importing the Mailman 
>>>configuration files.
>> 
>> If we take a Mailman configuration file for l...@domain1.com, if I import 
>> that into a new Mailman3 list l...@domain2.com will it cause a problem?

>No problem. The Mailman 2.1 list doesn't have domain information anyway.

Thanks for this.  Once converted to Mailman3 can I move a list to another 
domain on the same Mailman instance or change the list name?  Ideally I would 
do the switch when moving to Mailman3 but I don't know when the domain 
migration will happen and really want to close off moving these lists.

Thanks.
Andrew. 
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman3 list migration possibly new domain

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

I have a list to migrate to Mailman3 from Mailman2 but the domain of the list 
may change at some point in the future.  I was hoping to marry up the 2 events 
but its not looking likely at the moment.

>From what I have tested the Hyperkitty archives can be imported into any list 
>so long as it exists.  My question relates to importing the Mailman 
>configuration files.

If we take a Mailman configuration file for 
l...@domain1.com, if I import that into a new Mailman3 
list l...@domain2.com will it cause a problem?
Taking that a step further could we import 
l...@domain1.com into 
li...@domain2.com?

I am aware I could just export the users and re-import into a new list if all 
else fails.

Suggestions welcome.
Thanks.
Andrew.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman 2&3 coexistence

[Andrew Hodgson]

Lars Bjørndal wrote:

>Is it safe/ok to have Mailman 2 and 3 both installed on the sam system, using 
>Mailman 3 for new lists?

Yes, I am doing this right now on a Debian Buster system (using Debian Mailman 
2.x package and Mailman 3 in a Python3 venv).

You could of course build Mailman 2 from source as well I just used the Debian 
package as I plan on removing it in a few months.

Thanks.
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[Mailman-Users] Re: better filtering - help?

[Andrew Hodgson]

Jeffrey Westgate wrote:

>We've been running a mailman server, pushing more than 45 lists, for as long 
>as I've been here, and recently spammers and phishers have found us.

>We're trying to find the right combination to filter in the "List of 
>non-member addresses whose postings will be automatically discarded." under 
>Privacy Options, Sender Filters.  All we've been able to come up with are 
>individual >domains.  When we try to block
>guido.sardu...@spammer.phisher.it,   -- while we'd like to block all of .it,  
>what we find is we can either do the individual address, or the entire 
>spammer.phisher.it domain.
>What's the magic combination?

I gave up with this and now run SpamAssassin as part of my MTA config, it gets 
rid of all the rubbish that gets sent to my list addresses.  Another good thing 
is that I reject this mail at SMTP time, so I am not sending out lots of admin 
messages to bad or backscatter email accounts.

I am running latest Debian which has a sane and up-to-date SpamAssassin so had 
minimal changes, but if your distro is older you may need to do more work.

Andrew. 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Training Mailman to find email address from NDR

[Andrew Hodgson]

Grant Taylor wrote:

>On 5/15/19 7:45 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

>> Here is the bounce message, I know I can enable VERP and this problem
>> should go away, but I wanted to see if I could get this working without
>> VERP as we have a large mail traffic on the list.

>Did you redact anything significant from the bounce?

I changed the email address of the recipient to redac...@yahoo.com (original 
recipient was in there), and removed the whole digest message.

>I don't see the expected boundary="66728b7fa14ce3ed" parameter to the
>Content-Type: header.

I noticed that as well after I sent the original message.

>I'm also surprised that the Content-Type: is text/plain and not
>multipart/report.

Ok I will relay this onto them.

>I don't know enough about Mailman's bounce processing to know if it will
>find and process the message/delivery-status or not.  I also question
>what Mailman would do with a temporary failure, 4.7.0.

I don't care at this stage what Mailman would do with the error, I just want it 
to be attributed to the correct address.

>It looks like Yahoo TempFailed the message because they don't like
>SendGrid for one reason or another.

Yep, pritty poor actually.  My IP has better delivery rates than these shared 
IPs Sendgrid use.

Thanks for some pointers anyway,
Andrew.
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[Mailman-Users] Training Mailman to find email address from NDR

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

As part of some upgrade projects I am testing using a transactional email 
service (Sendgrid) and have eventually got bounce forwarding working.  However 
Mailman is not seeing the address in the bounce so is forwarding it to the list 
owner.  I am probably not going to use Sendgrid long-term, as they seem to have 
a worse reputation than our static IPs, but wanted to know if I could get 
Mailman to process this bounce somehow?

Here is the bounce message, I know I can enable VERP and this problem should go 
away, but I wanted to see if I could get this working without VERP as we have a 
large mail traffic on the list.

Thanks.
Andrew.

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[Mailman-Users] Transactional email services with Mailman

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

I am looking at using a transactional email service with Mailman as I am having 
issues with outbound email to specific domains (mainly gmail) being blocked and 
I don't send enough email out (around 2000-3000 a day) to get good scores.

I remember we discussed this a few years ago but wanted to know current 
opinions on this.  A lot of these change envelope info to get bounces pushed 
through their systems so they can let the system know to stop sending emails to 
the specific address, but I don't think these play nicely with Mailman.

Any recommendations?
Thanks.
Andrew.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 on Docker

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

Can't you just use the relevant volume mounts to the Windows box?  I have ran 
these containers on Windows when I did testing, although I ran Postgres outside 
of the containers on the Windows machine itself as I have seen issues with 
volume mounts for that one.

Andrew.


From: Odhiambo Washington [odhia...@gmail.com]
Sent: 23 November 2018 16:23
To: Andrew Hodgson
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 on Docker

I looked at the link you've suggested and it seems like it's meant for someone 
running docker on Linux, not Windows which is what I'm trying to test this on. 
The mkdir /opt..

On Fri, Nov 23, 2018, 19:02 Andrew Hodgson 
mailto:and...@hodgson.io> wrote:
Hi,

As that uses Mailman-Bundler now its probably not the best way even if it still 
works.  I would recommend looking at the repo here:

https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman

Hope this helps.
Andrew.

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Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 on Docker

Hi,

I am wondering if the instructions given in
https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Mailman%203.0/Mailman%203.0%20Suite%20Dockerfile
are still valid.
I am running Docker on Windows, and following these instructions, but it
fails with:

docker build -t mailman3 .
.
.
.
ln: failed to create symbolic link '/usr/bin/node': File exists
The command '/bin/sh -c apt-get install -y nodejs npm && npm install -g
less && ln -s /usr/bin/nodejs /usr/bin/node' returned a non-zero code: 1


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 on Docker

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

As that uses Mailman-Bundler now its probably not the best way even if it still 
works.  I would recommend looking at the repo here:

https://github.com/maxking/docker-mailman

Hope this helps.
Andrew.

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Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 3 on Docker

Hi,

I am wondering if the instructions given in
https://wiki.list.org/DEV/Mailman%203.0/Mailman%203.0%20Suite%20Dockerfile
are still valid.
I am running Docker on Windows, and following these instructions, but it
fails with:

docker build -t mailman3 .
.
.
.
ln: failed to create symbolic link '/usr/bin/node': File exists
The command '/bin/sh -c apt-get install -y nodejs npm && npm install -g
less && ln -s /usr/bin/nodejs /usr/bin/node' returned a non-zero code: 1


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mod_Security

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

Can you provide steps of how you set up Mailman on the different providers 
since it looks like you are using some type of packaged or managed service 
which is providing features that are not part of the stock Mailman and may get 
in the way of what you are trying to do.  It is difficult to provide support on 
here especially if there are other modules being used to provide extra site 
protection etc.

Andrew.

-Original Message-
From: Mailman-Users  On 
Behalf Of Bernie Cosell
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To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mod_Security

I'm still working on the auto-submission stuff.  I set up another test mailing 
list, this one on Bluehost.  First, I compared the HTML of the 
members/unsubscribe page and they are *identical* [except for having different 
URLs for the links to the various pages].

And I tried my program on the Bluehost version and I was greeted with 

Not Acceptable!Not
Acceptable!An appropriate representation of the requested resource 
could not be found on this server. This error was generated by Mod_Security.<

OK, next step is to do a complete packet-capture of the transactions with 
Dreamhost and wireshark it to see what is strange versus what my program is 
doing...

and mailman's forms seemed so simple...:o)

  /b\
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.x to 3.1.x Migration

[Andrew Hodgson]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

>On 07/24/2018 06:32 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

[...]

>> - There were older messages in the mbox without message-ids in the archive 
>> that failed to import.  I took the easy way out on this one and didn't 
>> import them.  In an archive with around 120,000 messages it rejected around 
>> 30 messages in all.

>This is <https://gitlab.com/mailman/hyperkitty/issues/180>, fixed in
>HyperKitty 1.2.0.

Thanks for this; I am on the Docker version which is not updated yet.  once it 
gets updated and I migrate to it, will I be able to re-import those missing 
messages by running a complete import again or will this cause more trouble now?

I did run cleanarch on the mbox before doing any of this import work and didn't 
get any issues.  The lists all came from Mailman 2.1 (starting from around 
2.1.5).

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.x to 3.1.x Migration

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

This isn't a step by step guide or anything but just my experiences.

It is a 2 stage process:

- Import the list configuration (subscribers, list options etc);
- Import list archives.

Import list configuration using the command mailman import21.  This expects a 
.pck file to import and the list to which you want to import into.

Once done you can see the results by navigating to your Mailman instance and 
you can see the data about the list such as the creation date, number of posts 
and the members.  For some reason on my instance the last post date is still 
the last post from Mailman2, even though it has been running on Mailman3 for a 
month or so.

Import archives:
Use the command python manage.py hyperkitty_import to get the private mbox into 
your list.  I ran into 2 issues:

- If you have posts in the new archive on Mailman3 then you need to specify the 
earliest date you want to import into the archive as the command won't import 
anything older than the earliest date in the new archive.  If you run the 
command with the help option you can see the format required;
- There were older messages in the mbox without message-ids in the archive that 
failed to import.  I took the easy way out on this one and didn't import them.  
In an archive with around 120,000 messages it rejected around 30 messages in 
all.

Hope this points you in the right direction,
Andrew.


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behalf of Ryan McClung [rmccl...@afilias.info]
Sent: 23 July 2018 15:43
To: Mailman-Users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.x to 3.1.x Migration

Hey All,

I haven't read anything on gitlab about whether or not this has been
finalized. Is there a migration process available?

I also read about scripting it but unfortunately I can't find any resources
on a way to do so. Can anyone provide me with a best-practices on how to
migrate?

Ryan
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman3 domain aliases

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

I want to create some lists in Mailman3 which can be accessed via web and email 
with 2 different domains.  There will of course be a default domain which 
Mailman uses on outgoing emails etc, but I want users to be able to use either 
the old or new domain to access the website or sending email.

Is this possible in Mailman3?  it is essentially giving me the behaviour I have 
in Mailman2.

I will be hosting other domains as separate virtual hosts in Mailman3 as well 
so any changes I have to make to get this to work need to not brake the new 
virtual host functionality.

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] updating mailman

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi Mark,

Generally speaking updating Mailman via Apt is straightforward and in most 
cases everything carries forward.  However depending on if you made 
customisations to various files these could get undone, but if you are using 
the standard pacakge and have made customisations in the right place this 
should go through.

However, if you just run apt-get it may not upgrade Mailman because you may 
already be on the latest version for that distribution, and may have to do a 
distro upgrade depending on which distro and version you are running.

I am not sure if it helps but I run several Mailman lists for blind charities 
so if you want I may be able to help further with this off list.

Best,
Andrew.

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Subject: [Mailman-Users] updating mailman

Hi can anyone give me easy instructions  to update mailman
Using the apt-get install process
Also will  it keep all my mailing lists and members
Many thanks mark.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-cabal] GDPR

[Andrew Hodgson]

Bernd Petrovitsch [be...@petrovitsch.priv.at] wrote:

>On Mon, 2018-05-14 at 12:33 +0000, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
[...]
>> These are just rough notes:
>>
>> - Archive purge requests. We have discussed the same items as on the
>> list to date.  I am looking at doing a simple grep for the relevant
>> person's details and changing that.  The main reason for doing this
>> is that if we just remove the author's messages they will be in a
>> thread of other messages and our users typically don't remove quoted
>> material.  Current advice from the GDPR people is we may have to
>> delete the whole thread.  Still under discussion, this is also

>While at it, why not delete the entire archive just to be sure? SCNR

That is something we haven't ruled out just yet!

>And to be honest: If person X fullquotes and the email ends in an
>archive, who's fault is it?

The last archive removal request I had a few weeks ago stemmed from one of the 
subscribers posting a private message about an event and it had the original 
poster's mobile number in it as well as contact details for the event.  There 
was a large thread about this event, and everyone used top posting.  The 
original author contacted us after having been informed they found the event 
invitation from our website, and were not happy.  What do I redact or remove in 
this instance?

- The whole thread;
- Personal details about the original poster and the event who had not 
consented to having their email posted to the mailing list;
- Anything else?

In the end I removed the phone numbers, her personal address and the 
Eventbright links from *all* messages, including some messages from other 
people where they had re-echoed the Eventbright links as part of their 
conversation to help other people.  She wasn't very happy, but worse is the 
person who forwarded it to the mailing list refused to understand what they had 
really done and believed they had the right to send the post anywhere as they 
believed it was in the public domain.

Just an example of the type of stuff that I may get asked to remove in future.

Andrew.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-cabal] GDPR

[Andrew Hodgson]

Grant Taylor wrote:


On 05/14/2018 06:33 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

[...]

>> - Audit logs for data access.  it is not clear who is accessing
>> subscription data for the list as there is just a single owner and
>> moderator account.  Unsure if current logging data in either MM2 or MM3 is
>> "good enough" for this.  MM3 may solve the issue about single accounts.

>I guess I don't understand the problem and / or make invalid assumptions
>about MM.

>I see six modes of access to the data:

>1)  List subscribers
>2)  List owners / administrators

At the moment the list administrator and moderator account is accessed via no 
username and a single password.  If that password is shared, I have no audit 
trail of who logged into the system.  Also the system currently doesn't log 
specific access, for example admin A exported a load of addresses, admin B 
added 100 subscribers to the mailing list etc.

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[Mailman-Users] [Mailman-cabal] GDPR

[Andrew Hodgson]

Guys,

Thanks for all the discussion around this topic.  I have been in further 
communication with the people working on GDPR with us.  Background: I run 
Mailman lists for a couple of charities as a voluntary contribution to the 
charities, the charities have money that their disposal and we want to reduce 
exposure both for me personally and the charities involved.

These are just rough notes:

- Archive purge requests. We have discussed the same items as on the list to 
date.  I am looking at doing a simple grep for the relevant person's details 
and changing that.  The main reason for doing this is that if we just remove 
the author's messages they will be in a thread of other messages and our users 
typically don't remove quoted material.  Current advice from the GDPR people is 
we may have to delete the whole thread.  Still under discussion, this is also 
complex because threads and subjects change, if we delete the whole thread 
there may be messages from the same author in other threads that don't have 
correct atribution etc.

- Audit logs for data access.  it is not clear who is accessing subscription 
data for the list as there is just a single owner and moderator account.  
Unsure if current logging data in either MM2 or MM3 is "good enough" for this.  
MM3 may solve the issue about single accounts.

- Relevant people seem to be happy that running a discussion list not used for 
marketing purposes should exempt us from some of the marketing type rules 
regarding data processing.

- People seem happy with the system default logs as long as we can audit access 
to the logs (which we are able to as there is little access to the boxes 
themselves).

- Likely that I will have to move the lists to a host the charities control 
themselves and a separate host for each charity.  This will increase costs so 
we may need to look at an alternative solution like a hosted list service as I 
am not setting myself up as a list hosting business.

Again all this up for interpretation.  The largest ones for me at the moment is 
regarding auditing access to the Mailman admin access and the archive purging 
requests.

Andrew.
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[Mailman-Users] Possibly OT: GDPR and list servers

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

Has anyone in the EU come across the GDPR guidelines in the context of Mailman? 
 We are a charity and run Mailman as part of that with some high traffic email 
lists.  I am getting a lot of conflicting information regarding whether we can 
even continue to do this in the current climate, most of it coming from half 
baked documents or different people's opinion, so I wanted to put it out there 
to see if there is anything that the community may have that we can use or help 
with in a co-ordinated way.

Thanks.
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[Mailman-Users] Changing the List URL and email domain

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

I want to change the list URL and email domain, is there any way of keeping the 
old domain and URL active?  Using Mailman 2.1.24 here.

Thanks.
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[Mailman-Users] Newer Thunderbird reply list behaviour

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

I am recently getting a lot of complaints from Thunderbird users on several 
lists running on our Mailman 2.1.24 system that when they press ctrl+r for 
reply, the reply goes to the individual sender and not the list.  Mailman is 
set to strip the Reply-To header and set replies to go to the list.  I believe 
that something in newer Thunderbirds are detecting the list headers and giving 
the user the option of replying to the author (ctrl+r) and the list (ctrl+l).  
The only issue is sometimes this doesn't seem to be obvious to our blind 
subscribers which option to use in Thunderbird.

Does anyone know the precise mechanisms that Thunderbird is using, and whether 
there is any way to overrite it so we can get the old behaviour back by using 
the reply function to reply to the list?

Thanks.
Andrew.
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[Mailman-Users] Email services in and out

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

I have a couple of issues with our Mailman setup not really with Mailman but 
the inbound and outbound mail delivery, and wondered if anyone could recommend 
a service which would help me.

I am getting more and more spam through the system, a lot of it is rejected 
with SpamAssassin, but stuff sometimes gets through from a forged subscriber's 
email address.  There is also backscatter from the various subscribe addresses 
etc.  I would like to try and cut this down if possible, looking at inbound 
antispam services that work with Mailman domains.

I could also do with getting an outbound email service which has good delivery 
rates to the big ISPs.  This is working well for me right now, but there are 
occasional issues where one provider stops receiving the messages altogether, 
and it can take time to deal with this.

In short, does anyone have recommendations for AV/AS email solutions that work 
inbound and outbound that play nice with Mailman?

Thanks.
Andrew.
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[Mailman-Users] Moderator v list owner

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

Just wondering what the difference is between the moderator and owner addresses 
in Mailman?  Is there a way of getting the owner to receive bounce messages, 
subscription/unsubscription mail etc., and the moderator just receiving the 
held messages notification?

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Major conflict will resolving hosting of DNU Maiman

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

One option which I always use when hosting Mailman lists is to host lists in a 
subdomain, i.e, lists.domain.com.  This means the website hosting is untouched, 
and saves the cost of a separate domain.

Andrew.

-Original Message-
From: Mailman-Users 
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+andrew=hodgsonfamily@python.org] On Behalf Of 
Susan Fitzmaurice
Sent: 23 September 2016 19:45
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Major conflict will resolving hosting of DNU Maiman

I hope you guys can help me, when I really am unsure what to even ask.

1. Host A was hosting our website and Mailman lists.
2. Host B/MacHighway was going to host our website and Host A was just going to 
host the email.

This did not work as Mailman evidently requires access to both the website 
domain and the lists.domain.

Host B/Machighway does not have the required software to host Mailman on a 
shared server.

What options do we have?
1. Have Host company A have 2 domains hosted. 1 domain will exist for the sole 
purpose of making Mailman work. The other domain will be for mail.
MacHighway will have the website.
2. Stop using Mailman and use something else. MacHighway will host website.
3.  ??Is there any "reseller" for Mailman who can host our
Mailman  and provide some tech support?

I want to continue to use MacHighway. They provide amazing tech support to a 
person like me who gets way in over the head on tech stuff.

Thanks,
Susan
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest formatting--clickable TOC?

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

I requested a similar feature a while ago:

https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2014-December/078192.html

I am still asked for this feature quite often.

Andrew.

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[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+andrew=hodgsonfamily@python.org] On Behalf Of 
Matt Morgan
Sent: 02 September 2016 17:39
To: Mailman-Users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Digest formatting--clickable TOC?

One of the lists I'm now running uses Mailman as an aid to generating a 
periodical email publication. People send in items for topics, and an editor 
grafts them into a single large message that goes out about twice a month. The 
eventual publication looks a lot like a mailman digest, and that's what I'm 
switching it to.

The single-most user-requested improvement to this publication is that they 
want clickable links in the Table of Contents that anchor down to the entries 
in the list.

I understand that mailman can do digests as a series of MIME attachments to the 
TOC email, one for each posting. I don't think that's going to work for this 
crowd, although I'm not sure.

And I understand that not all email clients support anchors in html-formatted 
messages. But has anybody done something like this (where a digest's TOC is 
clickable and links down to the contents)? Are there other options I'm not 
thinking about?

Thanks,
Matt
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Making a Case for Upgrading MailMan from 2.1.17

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

I was too hasty in sending out the prior message; actually there is a feature 
in 2.1.18 which I believe will help you with the issue you are having.

Prior to 2.1.18, the DMARC feature was activated on a per list basis, and was 
set for each member regardless of whether the sender's email provider had the 
DMARC set up on the domain.  With 2.1.18, you can set it up so the headers only 
get munged if the DMARC action on the domain is quarrentine or reject.  It is 
worth noting however that depending on how your host get Mailman, this feature 
may already be available.  For example, some RedHat packages prior to 2.1.18 
already have this feature built into them.

Sorry about that.
Andrew.


From: Andrew Hodgson
Sent: 23 June 2016 12:51
To: Dave Nathanson; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Making a Case for Upgrading MailMan from 2.1.17

Dave Nathanson [dave.li...@nathanson.org] wrote:

>I'd like some help in making a case to convince my hosting company to upgrade 
>from Mailman 2.1.17.

>I run several email lists for clubs, these are discussion lists that get up to 
>20 messages per day, and include up to 150 members. Replies are directed back 
>to the list.

>My primary issue with MM 2.1.17 is about list messages from members who don't 
>have their human names configured into their email clients, resulting in a 
>list message from an unknown. It is just from "via listname 
><listn...@example.com>"
>Since I'm still stuck on 2.1.17. I don't know what I am missing in the newer 
>versions. I just know that it's been over 2 years since 2.1.17 which has an 
>annoying omission due the the whole DEMARC thing.

If you download the tar package for the latest version, 2.1.22, the NEWS file 
will give a changelog of what has changed between the versions.  I don't 
believe a newer version would help you with the issue you are experiencing, 
however, as that is due to the way that Mailman handles messages which come 
from senders who's email operator publishes DMARC records for their domain.

Andrew.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Making a Case for Upgrading MailMan from 2.1.17

[Andrew Hodgson]

Dave Nathanson [dave.li...@nathanson.org] wrote:

>I'd like some help in making a case to convince my hosting company to upgrade 
>from Mailman 2.1.17.

>I run several email lists for clubs, these are discussion lists that get up to 
>20 messages per day, and include up to 150 members. Replies are directed back 
>to the list.

>My primary issue with MM 2.1.17 is about list messages from members who don't 
>have their human names configured into their email clients, resulting in a 
>list message from an unknown. It is just from "via listname 
>"
>Since I'm still stuck on 2.1.17. I don't know what I am missing in the newer 
>versions. I just know that it's been over 2 years since 2.1.17 which has an 
>annoying omission due the the whole DEMARC thing.

If you download the tar package for the latest version, 2.1.22, the NEWS file 
will give a changelog of what has changed between the versions.  I don't 
believe a newer version would help you with the issue you are experiencing, 
however, as that is due to the way that Mailman handles messages which come 
from senders who's email operator publishes DMARC records for their domain.

Andrew.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] moderator page behind nginx with SSL

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

Fwiw, here is my setup:

server {
listen 80;
listen [::]:80;
server_name lists.hodgsonfamily.org lists.bcab.org.uk;
access_log off;
error_log off;

location / {
rewrite ^ https://$host$request_uri permanent;
}
}

server {
listen 443 ssl;
listen [::]:443 ssl;
server_name lists.hodgsonfamily.org lists.bcab.org.uk;
access_log  /var/log/nginx/lists-access.log;
error_log  /var/log/nginx/lists-error.log warn;
root /var/www/lists;
ssl_certificate /etc/ssl/certs/samwise.hodgsonfamily.org.pem;
ssl_certificate_key /etc/ssl/private/samwise.hodgsonfamily.org.key;
ssl_ciphers 
'ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:DHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:DHE-DSS-AES128-GCM-SHA256:kEDH+AESGCM:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-SHA256:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-SHA:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-SHA384:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:ECDHE-ECDSA-AES256-SHA:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA256:DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA:DHE-DSS-AES128-SHA256:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA256:DHE-DSS-AES256-SHA:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:AES128-GCM-SHA256:AES256-GCM-SHA384:AES128-SHA256:AES256-SHA256:AES128-SHA:AES256-SHA:AES:CAMELLIA:DES-CBC3-SHA:!aNULL:!eNULL:!EXPORT:!DES:!RC4:!MD5:!PSK:!aECDH:!EDH-DSS-DES-CBC3-SHA:!EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA:!KRB5-DES-CBC3-SHA';
ssl_prefer_server_ciphers on;
ssl_dhparam /etc/ssl/private/dhparams.pem;
add_header Strict-Transport-Security "max-age=31536000; 
includeSubdomains";
ssl_stapling on;
ssl_stapling_verify on;
resolver 80.68.80.24 80.68.80.25;

location = / {
rewrite ^ /listinfo permanent;
}

location ~ 
^/(admin|confirm|edithtml|listinfo|options|rmlist|subscribe|admindb|create|htdig|mmsearch|private|roster)
 {
fastcgi_split_path_info (^/[^/]*)(.*)$;
fastcgi_param SCRIPT_FILENAME 
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/$fastcgi_script_name;
fastcgi_param PATH_INFO $fastcgi_path_info;
fastcgi_pass  unix:/var/run/fcgiwrap.socket;
include /etc/nginx/fastcgi_params;
}

location /icons {
alias /usr/local/mailman/icons;
}

location /pipermail {
alias /usr/local/mailman/archives/public;
}
location /htdigimages {
alias /var/lib/htdig/www;
}
}

Here is my mm_cf.py file so you can see how I did the vhosts:

DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/'
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'https://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'

Andrew.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Our list serv host is threatening to shut us down for spam abuse

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

I would work with the provider in this situation.  In my case I run several 
lists which are all opt-in, but people click on the report as spam button in 
Yahoo and AOL, causing issues.  I have an agreement with the hosting provider 
who run the network that if they get any complaints from AOL or Hotmail that 
come through this route, that they forward them onto me and I unsubscribe them 
from the list.  With AOL it is difficult as they remove the original email 
address who is complaining, Hotmail is OK and now Yahoo reports get sent to me 
directly.

I send the list traffic through specific servers so that it doesn't affect 
anything else.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] moderator page behind nginx with SSL

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

I have the same setup and the moderation pages work fine with my setup.  I 
would recommend ensuring your hosts are set up correctly in mm_cfg.py so that 
HTTPS is used.

Andrew.

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Subject: [Mailman-Users] moderator page behind nginx with SSL

The rest of mailman version 2.1.22
is working fine with SSL and some rewriting by nginx and yet 
https://cibolo.us/mailman/admindb/open_electroporator  gives a message "will be 
sent over an insecure connection" when I seta button to discard and then do the 
submit all data button.

Is there a way to use SSL here?

Or... will I need to disable SSL for this page to get that submit to work?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Web interface disappeared after upgrade to Jessie

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

In the upgrade to Jessie you got Apache 2.4, so you need to enable the CGI 
support by running a2enmod cgi then restart Apache.

Hope this helps,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for a server

[Andrew Hodgson]

Skip Montanaro wrote:

>I've not hosted a mailman list in a long while. I'm trying to help some folks 
>migrate a list with ten years of archives and no current subscribers just to 
>make the archives indexable by the various search engines. I see the list of 
>>hosting services on wiki.list.org, but I'd appreciate actual recommendations 
>(or pointers to prioritized lists), not an unprioritized list.

Have you tried mail-archive.com? Last time I used them I think they can take a 
Mailman mbox file and turn it into an archive.

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[Mailman-Users] Old chestnut: List integration with forum

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

I have a list which is working well at the moment, but want to introduce a 
forum that gates to and from the list.

Which forum software currently in people's opinion has the best integration 
with Mailman 2.x?

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] strange postings to non-existant lists

[Andrew Hodgson]

Bruce Harrison  wrote:

>For the last month or two, I get anywhere from 3 or 4 to 20 to 30 postings to 
>non-existent lists on our mailman server.  I've been reading of course about 
>the subscribe spamming that folks have been talking about.
>Is this just someone poking at our mailman machine trying to find something to 
>send spam to, or something more sinister?  We use Microsoft filtering for 
>spam, viruses, etc. so all mail I see comes from one of their servers.
>It's not causing any problems, but just strange to me.

I haven't seen spammers subscribe to the lists properly (i.e, respond to the 
Mailman response), but I've had a lot of messages going to invalid users at the 
list domains and also to the subscribe/unsubscribe/request address, which was 
creating a lot of backscatter.

>From my point of view I want to try and avoid accepting and processing spam 
>mail and mail to invalid lists/recipients to try and avoid backscatter.  I 
>installed a local copy of SpamAssassin which seems to be working really well 
>and rejects spam over a score of around 7.  This seems to let list traffic 
>through whilst blocking the spam messages.  I also removed frontline MX 
>servers from the lists domain so they get handled by the Exim server doing the 
>processing, so that any 5XX response that the server sends out causes the spam 
>server to give up, rather than a frontline MX server having to generate the 
>NDR and send it out to the probably innocent party.  To this end we used to 
>use MS Office 365 spam scanning on the list domains, but don't use it anymore 
>for this reason.

Hope this helps,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] can any one help

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

This is nothing to do with Mailman, I suggest looking at a ClamAV related list 
or if your system was set up by someone speak to them to find out how it was 
set up.

If you are still stuck over the weekend give me a shout and I can give you some 
options as I am hosting some mailing lists for blind specific charities in the 
UK at the moment.

Andrew.

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Subject: [Mailman-Users] can any one help

Hi i keep getting the folowing emails
Clamscan reports Sanesecurity honeynet.hdb database integrity tested BAD
- SKIPPING
rsync: link_stat "/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/honeynet.hdb" 
failed: No such file or directory (2)
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 
23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo 
production database file: 
honeynet.hdb - SKIPPING
Clamscan reports Sanesecurity securiteinfobat.hdb database integrity tested BAD 
- SKIPPING
rsync: link_stat
"/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/securiteinfobat.hdb" failed: 
No such file or directory (2)
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 
23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo 
production database file: 
securiteinfobat.hdb - SKIPPING
Clamscan reports Sanesecurity securiteinfodos.hdb database integrity tested BAD 
- SKIPPING
rsync: link_stat
"/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/securiteinfodos.hdb" failed: 
No such file or directory (2)
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 
23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo 
production database file: 
securiteinfodos.hdb - SKIPPING
Clamscan reports Sanesecurity securiteinfoelf.hdb database integrity tested BAD 
- SKIPPING
rsync: link_stat
"/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/securiteinfoelf.hdb" failed: 
No such file or directory (2)
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 
23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo 
production database file: 
securiteinfoelf.hdb - SKIPPING
Clamscan reports Sanesecurity securiteinfooffice.hdb database integrity tested 
BAD - SKIPPING
rsync: link_stat
"/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/securiteinfooffice.hdb" 
failed: No such file or directory (2)
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 
23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo 
production database file: 
securiteinfooffice.hdb - SKIPPING
Clamscan reports Sanesecurity securiteinfopdf.hdb database integrity tested BAD 
- SKIPPING
rsync: link_stat
"/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/securiteinfopdf.hdb" failed: 
No such file or directory (2)
rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see previous errors) (code 
23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to successfully update SecuriteInfo 
production database file: 
securiteinfopdf.hdb - SKIPPING
Clamscan reports Sanesecurity securiteinfosh.hdb database integrity tested BAD 
- SKIPPING
rsync: link_stat
"/var/cache/clamav-unofficial-sigs/si-dbs/securiteinfosh.hdb" failed: No such 
file or directory (2) rsync error: some files/attrs were not transferred (see 
previous errors) (code 23) at main.c(1070) [sender=3.0.9] Failed to 
successfully update SecuriteInfo production database file: 
securiteinfosh.hdb - SKIPPING
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Re: [Mailman-Users] strange postings to non-existant lists

[Andrew Hodgson]

Bruce Harrison wrote:

>Interesting, I may give SpamAssassin a look.  Thanks!

One thing here which I forgot is if your machine is not receiving mail 
directly, you may have less luck with SpamAssassin due to the mail always 
coming in from a downstream server.  It is easy to overcome but needs more 
configuration.

>Mine are almost always mail to invalid lists.

Are these lists which used to exist, or just random addresses on the system?

>My box talks to our local mail processor, which in turn runs off-campus thru 
>the MS filters/scanners and on out.

It's incoming mail we're interested in here, does that get handled directly or 
via filtering machines to?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: importing archived Maildir email lists into Mailman lists archives

[Andrew Hodgson]

[IDIS Technical Secretariat] Ricardo Rodríguez wrote:
>
>Before going ahead, there is one thing I'm curious about as I don't understand 
>it. Please, why does the path to the mbox file include .mbox twice? 
>Here...
>
>http://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20import%20an%20archive%20into%20a%20new%20mailing%20list%3F
>
>It reads...
>
>archives/private/.mbox/.mbox

Yup, the file needs to be called listname.mbox in the directory 
~/archives/private/listname.mbox.  So for example, to copy the mailman-users 
archive into your home directory, assuming Mailman was installed in the default 
location, you would enter a command like:

 cp /usr/local/mailman/private/mailman-users.mbox/mailman-users.mbox ~

That would give you a file called mailman-users.mbox in your home directory 
with all the archives in mbox format.

If your list is new then after running cleanarch on that mbox file, I would 
copy it to ~archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox, ensure perms are 
correct by running check_perms, then run arch with the wipe parameter to build 
all the HTML indexes for the web pages.

If you have a list already, I would stop Mailman, then cat the mbox file in 
place at the location ~archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox to a copy 
of your converted archives.  I would then run cleanarch on the resulting file, 
then put that in place in ~archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox before 
checking perms and running arch with the wipe parameter.

Hope this clears things up for you.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: importing archived Maildir email lists into Mailman lists archives

[Andrew Hodgson]

[IDIS Technical Secretariat] Ricardo Rodríguez wrote:

[...]

>Thanks! It worked like a charm for at least two of our old mailing lists! 
>Script, ezmlm structure and mbox output keeps stored at...
>
>http://datasource.idisantiago.es
>
>... for easier reference.
>
>Now, I only have to import that mbox contents into the actual list. I guess 
>this is the right path...
>
>5.1. How do I import an archive into a new mailing list?
>http://wiki.list.org/DOC/How%20do%20I%20import%20an%20archive%20into%20a%20new%20mailing%20list%3F

Yup, this is similar to what I did.  I recommend running cleanarch on that mbox 
before importing it, to ensure that it is ok.  I took the second option in that 
FAQ, as it was a new list.  Copy the Mbox file into the private directory after 
running it through cleanarch, then run the arch command to generate the HTML 
archives for the web interface.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] {Disarmed} Re: importing archived Maildir email lists into Mailman lists archives

[Andrew Hodgson]

[IDIS Technical Secretariat] Ricardo Rodríguez wrote:

[...]

>> > Ricardo-Rodriguezs-Mac-Pro:r.users rrodriguez$ ls
>> > Log   bounce  digissueheaderremovelock
>>   mod outlocalremote
>> > allow bouncer dignum  indexed

That's Ezmlm.  Have you tried something like this:

http://www.arctic.org/~dean/scripts/ezmlm2mbox

Get your Ezmlm archives to Mbox then that can be used as the basis for the 
Mailman archive.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Assistance with altering reply-to behaviours and DMARC

[Andrew Hodgson]

Mark wrote:

Step 1:  email is sent to the list - the mail to DMARC protected domain is 
received ok by Yahoo web client.  Reply-to is set to the list.

Message source of first email is:

  From: Mark m...@incet.com
  Reply-To: Test t...@testdomain.org

Step 2: Reply from Yahoo client sends an email to the list and this has the 
following source when viewed on Thunderbird MUA

  From: Mark H via Test t...@testdomain.org
  Reply-To: Mark H markh...@yahoo.com, Test t...@testdomain.org

That is interesting, and I wonder if this is something to do with the way that 
Redhat have implemented the new feature.

On my stock Mailman installation, the headers would look like this:

|From: Mark H via Test t...@testdomain.org
|Reply-To: Test t...@testdomain.org
|CC: Mark H markh...@yahoo.com

This is a much better imho way of dealing with the issue and keeps the messages 
flowing through the list.  I know if I had the same headers on my list that you 
are getting, that users would be falling into the same trap, and was something 
I tested hard before implementing it on my lists.

Is there any way you could just upgrade your installation to the latest 2.1.20? 
 There are some compiling guides out there for Redhat/Centos systems that were 
designed to get people through this before Redhat backported the feature.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Error updating mailman Ubuntu 14.04.3

[Andrew Hodgson]

billy noah wrote:

[...]

Looking for enabled languages (this may take some time) ... done.
Removing unmodified files from /etc/mailman/eu  done.
Directory /etc/mailman/eu not empty, not removed.

Is there any chance you installed a later version of Mailman from source and 
forgot to remove the Ubuntu package?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] need assistance upgrading Mailman

[Andrew Hodgson]

Nina Nicholson wrote:

I have a dedicated virtual server with a shell login account and am allowed to 
update it. Unfortunately, my Unix skills are minimal and not up to attempting 
this on my own. I have managed other installations on my server when being 
walked through it, remotely, by an experienced person.

Looking at your host (lists.dionewark.org) seems to suggest you are using Plesk 
as the control panel, are you using Mailman as part of that?  If so, you will 
need to discuss this with Plesk, as the Mailman installation is customised as 
part of the control panel and is not from the stock Mailman distribution.  The 
CPanel control panel system which is one of Plesk's competitors ships with the 
latest version of Mailman, so that could be an option if you want to stick to 
using the control panel, but migration between the control panels may be 
slightly complex.

Look here:
http://wiki.list.org/DOC/Mailman%20and%20Plesk

Is that host doing anything else or is it hosting lists only?

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Rejecting spam at the SMTP level?

[Andrew Hodgson]

Jayson Smith wrote:

I've been running several Mailman lists for the past ten years or so. 
Unfortunately, in recent months some list addresses have fallen into the hands 
of spammers, which is a real headache. Even worse, one particular -owner 
address is receiving nothing but spam, and I don't assume there's anything I 
can do about that without disabling that address for legitimate use, as well 
as for use by Mailman itself.

A few months ago I did some Googling and found a project called Mailman-Milter 
which claims to reject unwanted list mail i.e., nonmember postings at the SMTP 
level. I would love to use this, but there's virtually no documentation and 
I've never been able to get it working. 
Has anyone else had any better luck, or do you know of any other solutions? 
I'm using Sendmail, by the way.

We had the same issue with our lists and I decided to install SpamAssassin on 
the server that rejects at SMTP level.  After a small bit of tuning we have 
this working really well, it doesn't interfere with list traffic, but rejects a 
lot of rubbish to the owner and other addresses.

HTH.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Getting back to default settings

[Andrew Hodgson]

Nick Stevens via Mailman-Users wrote: 

I think a good starting point would be to get back to defaults on everything.

The method I used was similar to Mark's, but I exported the settings from both 
the new and the current list to a text file and ran diff on those files to see 
exactly what people had changed.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] some mailman questions

[Andrew Hodgson]

Mark T wrote:

Hi can any one help with the following

1 i have set all my mailing lists to private
how do i get the list to show up in mailman only if i go to the page it ses no 
 public lists advertised witch is what i want only had non members trying to 
send messages
i have made a page in wordpress with all our lists on

I am not sure what you are trying to do here, if you turn off the display of 
lists on the /listinfo page, people can still send emails to the list if they 
know about them from other means (I.e, Google searches, your Wordpress site 
etc).

2. if i update my linode server will it break my mailman only i was told it 
would
the version i am useing is 2.1.16rc2 witch i was also told is the most 
accessible for the blind

For what it's worth I run a load of lists on 2.1.20 which is the latest stable 
release and most if not all the users are blind and using it fine with 
assistive technology.  In terms of your version, you are using a 
pre-release/beta version, so depending on how you installed that would give you 
more ideas about whether updating the VM OS would break things.  What OS is the 
VM running now, is is being patched etc?

3 is there a way of changing all my passwords with out doing them one by one

Do you mean your list admin passwords or something else?

Thanks.
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[Mailman-Users] Hide email address of specific sender

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

I have had a request from a specific sender that their email address be hidden 
from postings (kinda like what the munging in the DMARC action does).  Is there 
a way to do this for this *one* member only?

Mailman 2.1.20 here.

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC hack

[Andrew Hodgson]

Allan Hansen wrote:

Stephen,

Much appreciated. 
Checking for aol.com and yahoo.com here alone will not work. I have a bunch of 
other subscribers that have accounts with providers that are owned by Yahoo 
(mostly) and AOL, but whose addresses are not of this form.
I would have to do this for all addresses, to be safe.

Probably a good reason why you can't do this, but is there any way you can 
upgrade to the latest 2.1.20?  It means the code for doing this is already 
there for you and will work by looking up the relevant domain's DMARC policy in 
DNS.  I use it on all the lists here by default now by munging the From: header 
and it works when it needs to.

Thanks.
Andrew. 
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[Mailman-Users] Moving lists with large archives to new server

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

I am required by my host to change server hardware as the current hardware is 
out of support and needs replacing.

I will be going from 32-Bit Debian Wheezy to 64-Bit Jessy when it is released, 
and will probably upgrade to Mailman 2.1.19 from 2.1.18-1 using my own custom 
made packages.

All the configs for the system will be pushed via Puppet including 
~/Mailman/mm_cfg.py, and ~/lists and ~/data can be copied over very quickly.

My question revolves around the list archives.  If I start Mailman up before 
they are copied across, it is likely there will be waiting messages and these 
will get archived to a new mbox file.  I want to reduce downtime in moving the 
lists, but the mbox files are around 25GB, and there are a couple of lists 
which take the majority of that.  I was going to index the messages once the 
mbox files are copied over, but what is the smartest way to get these moved 
without downing Mailman for too long?

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Unknown Virtual Host question

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

The issue you have is you are trying to access the web interface over a virtual 
host (x.x.x.x) which isn't defined.  You can change your Windows Hosts file to 
point lists.domain.com at your new IP whilst you do the setup and testing, that 
is what I did when I had to move a bunch of lists over to a new server.

Thanks.
Andrew.

-Original Message-
From: Mailman-Users 
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+andrew=hodgsonfamily@python.org] On Behalf Of 
Steve Matzura
Sent: 19 January 2015 16:18
To: mailman
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Unknown Virtual Host question

I'm setting up a new Mailman implementation on a new machine that's a virtual 
copy of a running production machine. I'm expecting problems because I'm trying 
to use the same domain name in two places, and I absolutely understand that's 
not going to work, but the bottom line is, the faster I get the new machine up 
and functional, the faster the old one will just go away and not bother me any 
more (LOL). So, on the new machine, I'm trying to create email lists via the 
Web interface at my new machine's IP address. When I log in with the Mailman 
administrator account and password and attempt to create a new list, I get the 
message unknown virtual host at x.x.x.x where 'x.x.x.x' is the IP address of 
the new machine. Is this caused by the fact that my A-record points to the old 
machine, or because my new machine is trying to validate against the old one 
somehow? If I were to stop Mailman on the old system temporarily and swing my 
A-record over to the new machine, would this solve the pro
 blem long enough for me to get lists created? If so, then I might as well just 
do the deed for real, and get the old machine out of the equation completely. 
What's best to do here?
 
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[Mailman-Users] Digest indexes

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

I run a high volume list (around 80 messages per day), and we have complaints 
from digest users that the digests are difficult to work with.  One requested 
feature is could the digests be in HTML format, and a link be presented in the 
table of contents to go to each message.  Can this be done in Mailman by 
working with the digest templates?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest indexes

[Andrew Hodgson]

Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

Andrew Hodgson writes:

  I run a high volume list (around 80 messages per day), and we have   
  complaints from digest users that the digests are difficult to work   
  with.  One requested feature is could the digests be in HTML   format, 
  and a link be presented in the table of contents to go to   each message.  
  Can this be done in Mailman by working with the   digest templates?

No, it cannot be done without coding.

And it would not be easy.  HTML does not provide a mail message
element, so although it would be trivial to create the table of contents, 
there is no good way to indicate what is at the other end of those links.

One of the examples I saw from another setup was to use in page links for each 
message in the TOC, so the links in the TOC just put the focus onto the next 
message.  I realise there are still a lot of issues with that; my preferred 
option is to use MIME digests, but most users don't like them.

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Digest indexes

[Andrew Hodgson]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

On 12/16/2014 08:56 AM, Jay Ashworth wrote:
 --- Original Message -
 From: Stephen J. Turnbull step...@xemacs.org
 
 Andrew Hodgson writes:

 I run a high volume list (around 80 messages per day), and we have 
 complaints from digest users that the digests are difficult to work 
 with. One requested feature is could the digests be in HTML format, 
 and a link be presented in the table of contents to go to each 
 message. Can this be done in Mailman by working with the digest 
 templates?

 No, it cannot be done without coding.


Correct.

I pretty much thought as much, but wanted to check anyway.

 And it would not be easy. HTML does not provide a mail message
 element, so although it would be trivial to create the table of 
 contents, there is no good way to indicate what is at the other end 
 of those links.
...

 I believe that what Andrew is really looking for is just something 
 that could put in anchor links to the beginning of each message's test 
 as the message is HTMLified.  I agree that it would require code, but 
 I don't think that code would need to have semantic knowledge of mail 
 messages; it only needs to know where the edge of each message is.

That was exactly what I was looking for, just didn't say it as well.

It is not possible to do this at all for the plain text format digest since by 
definition, that contains no HTML.

I wouldn't look to do it for the plain text version, some users may not want 
this at all so would stick to the plain text version.  You could possibly look 
into creating a different digest type such as HTML indexed or similar, but I 
would see it as a completely different digest type.

For the MIME format digest, I think Stephen is correct. The MIME digest 
currently has the following structure

multipart/mixed
text/plain
(the boilerplate)
text/plain
(the digest_header if any)
text/plain
 (the TOC)
multipart/digest
message/rfc822
(the first message)
message/rfc822
(the next message)
text/plain
(the digest_footer if any)

One would have to create the TOC as text/html rather than text/plain and add 
links to the various message parts. These can't be anchor tags. Do do that 
would require HTMLifying the entire digest. They could probably be RFC2393 
mid: references though. That might not be too difficult to do, although 
various popular web mail clients, e.g. gmail, currently don't make it possible 
to open an individual digest message as a separate message, so how they would 
deal with such a digest is unknown.

I don't believe you would need each message as separate MIME parts.  For 
reference I am going to copy out a template an admin of another list sent me - 
they are using Sympa.  This is a template they use for doing exactly the same 
thing.  I don't know anything about Sympa, but I think the template will give 
you a slightly better idea of what I am looking for.

Thanks.
Andrew. 

---cut here---

We worked on a new version of the digest plain.

You should try this template on a test list.

From: [% fromlist %]
To: [% to %]
Reply-to: [% replyto %]
Subject: [% FILTER qencode %][%|loc(list.name,date)%]%1 Digest %2[%END%] [% IF 
total_group  1 -%]([% current_group %]/[% total_group %])[% END %][%END%]
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=[% boundary1 %]

--[% boundary1 %]
Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8;
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

[%|loc(list.name,date)%]%1 Digest %2[%END%] 

br

[%|loc%]Table of contents:[%END%]

ul
[% FOREACH m = msg_list -%]
lia name=N0a href=#N[% m.id %][% m.id %] - [% m.subject %]/a - [% 
m.from %] /li
[% END %]
/ul
hr color=#ff

[% FOREACH m = msg_list -%]
p/ba name=N[% m.id %][% m.id %] -/a Date: [% m.date %] Author: [% 
m.from %] br
Subject: bfont color=#ff [% m.subject %] /b/fontbr

[% m.plain_body %]

br
table align=center
tr
tda href=mailto: [% m.from %]?Subject= [% m.subject %]  Answer to 
author/a/td
tdnbsp;--nbsp;/td
tda href=mailto: [% replyto %]?Subject= [% m.subject %]  Answer to 
list/a/td
tdnbsp;--nbsp;/td
tda href=#N0Back to table of content/a/td
/tr
/table
hr color=#ff/font

[% END %]

br
[%|loc(list.name,date)%]End of %1 Digest %2[%END%]
br
*
/body/html

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Htdig integration with Nginx - Path variables

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

Sorry to reply to my own post.

The issue was actually twofold:

There was an issue with the HTTP to HTTPS redirection on the site, and because 
I hadn't set the public archives parameter in mm_cfg.py to HTTPS, the system 
was offering up HTTP URLS.  I did this and rebuilt the archives for all lists.

The second issue is that the htdig CGI needs to be using HTTP and not HTTPS.  I 
made this available under the HTTP context so nightly_htdig can crawl the 
archives.  The htdig script is now not available under HTTPS.

I can post my current config if required.

Thanks.
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman Htdig integration with Nginx - Path variables

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi all,

Wonder if someone could take a look at this for me?

I have moved our Mailman installation to Nginx.  Everything is working 
correctly, however, I am using the Htdig patch to get search functionality.

I got the split_path_info set up to work with Mailman, but I am having issues 
getting a working installation with the mmsearch script.  The initial page 
loads up, but when you refine the search or go to the next page, I get an error 
with the path splitting which causes the CGI to error.  I tried altering the 
path variable for the mmsearch script specifically, but the issue I am having 
is getting Nginx to split the path in the right place, since the scripts don't 
have an extension to work with (like I can use with PHP scripts etc.).  It's 
probably a simple fix, and I can set the location for the mmsearch script so it 
doesn't mess up the path variable for the other Mailman scripts if required.

My config is below, sorry for the formatting in my mailer.

Andrew.

# HTTP redirects - I had to use separate servers for each domain to stop 
redirecting to the wrong host
server {
listen 80;
server_name lists.domain1.com;
access_log off;
error_log off;
rewrite ^ https://$server_name$request_uri?$query_string permanent;
}

server {
listen 80;
server_name lists.domain2.com;
access_log off;
error_log off;
rewrite ^ https://$server_name$request_uri?$query_string permanent;
}

server {
listen 443 ssl;
server_name lists.domain1.com lists.domain2.com;
 access_log  /var/log/nginx/lists-access.log main;
error_log  /var/log/nginx/lists-error.log warn;
root /var/www/lists;
ssl_certificate /path/to/cert.pem
ssl_certificate_key /path/to/key.key
ssl_protocols TLSv1 TLSv1.1 TLSv1.2;
ssl_ciphers 
ECDH+AESGCM:DH+AESGCM:ECDH+AES256:DH+AES256:ECDH+AES128:DH+AES:ECDH+3DES:DH+3DES:RSA+AESGCM:RSA+AES:RSA+3DES:!aNULL:!MD5:!DSS;
ssl_prefer_server_ciphers on;
add_header Strict-Transport-Security max-age=31536000; 
includeSubdomains;
ssl_stapling on;
ssl_stapling_verify on;

# Redirect to the listinfo page by default
location = / {
rewrite ^ /listinfo permanent;
}

# Send the requests to the various scripts to the correct location. URL 
https://server/listinfo etc.
location ~ 
^/(admin|confirm|edithtml|listinfo|options|rmlist|subscribe|admindb|create|htdig|private|roster|mmsearch)
 {
fastcgi_split_path_info (^/[^/]*)(.*)$;
fastcgi_param SCRIPT_FILENAME 
/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/$fastcgi_script_name;
fastcgi_param PATH_INFO $fastcgi_path_info;
fastcgi_pass  unix:/var/run/fcgiwrap.socket;
include /etc/nginx/fastcgi_params;
}

location /icons {
alias /usr/local/mailman/icons;
}

location /pipermail {
alias /usr/local/mailman/archives/public;
}
location /htdigimages {
alias /var/lib/htdig/www;
}
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Question about Mailman hosting service.

[Andrew Hodgson]

Joe wrote:

In my attempt to find a Mailman hosting service I have received a message from 
one IT specialist advising me to avoid hosting services that utilize a cPanel. 
According to this specialist this is a bad arrangement and one that doesn't 
provide me full control of my lists. Since I am not an IT specialist I don't 
know what a cPanel is or how this can be a problem. Can any of you enlighten 
me ? What is a cPanel, why can this be a problem and how would it not allow 
me full control of my lists ?

I run Mailman lists for several charities running my own Mailman compiled from 
source with some modifications.  I do the work on the backend and if there are 
problems, I get support from myself or the list if I am stuck.  I manage other 
Linux systems and so it isn't a problem for me.  I don't want to pay the 
license to run CPanel on the servers, and that is the choice I made.

The CPanel system is a web based control panel which allows you to host amongst 
other things, a fully working Mailman setup.  Whilst the CPanel implementation 
is not standard as per the stock Mailman setup, it is arguably one of the most 
widely used versions of Mailman, and without it, I think Mailman would be far 
less used today.

I feel there is nothing wrong with the CPanel installation for most users, who 
want to create, manage and remove lists from their hosting domains.  Where the 
issue comes is with support, as only a CPanel specialist or CPanel themselves 
can really support the installation, as the Mailman community don't know fully 
what has been done to the installation to make it work with the CPanel 
environment.  It could also be possible for someone who is used to a stock 
Mailman installation to break the integration if they just go ahead and change 
stuff without forethought to the CPanel integration.  I myself am subscribed to 
several very high traffic lists who run Mailman under CPanel, and they have no 
issues at all that I know of.

My advice would be to look at the providers you have available, if some are 
using CPanel and you feel comfortable with the support they are offering, and 
the service fits your requirements, then don't let the fact they are using 
CPanel put you off.  It sounds like you would probably call out to someone else 
to support the system if it goes wrong anyhow.  If you have more bespoke 
requirements, and the CPanel integration wouldn't meet these (after talking to 
people on this list or companies who use CPanel), then go with a more tailored 
solution.

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Some improvements to README.Exim4.Debian

[Andrew Hodgson]

Narcis Garcia wrote:

I've making a setup for a Debian 7 (wheezy) trying to follow strictly
the guide in README.Exim4.Debian , but there are two things that I think
lack to that file:

Hi,

The best place to discuss the Mailman Debian package is the pkg-mailman-hackers 
list:

http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-mailman-hackers

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Introduction

[Andrew Hodgson]

Glenn Sieb wrote:

On 12/8/13, 1:52 PM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
 Furthermore, you would lose any other information such as list
 archives stored in Yahoo.

...Unless you're snazzy with a system that runs Perl and you can run
Yahoo2mbox to export the archives.

Looking at the home page, this no longer works either since the changes made in 
August of this year.

Oh well.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Introduction

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi Chris,

I currently moderate a few groups over at Yahoo, and am researching into mass 
transferring all of them to Mailman.

The person who runs the Mailman site should be able to give you more help with 
this, but essentially you would need to grab a list of subscribers, then use 
the mass-subscription option in the Mailman web interface to get them into 
Mailman.  You will unfortunately lose the digest settings of the subscribers, 
so you would need to get them to set this back again.  Furthermore, you would 
lose any other information such as list archives stored in Yahoo.

If using IOS, there is an app for moderating Mailman lists available.

Hope this helps.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] virtual domain and alias_maps

[Andrew Hodgson]

Michael Daly wrote:

Hi
I am having problems getting mail delivered to list members, on a virtual 
domain. This did not happen when a conventional ie non virtual, domain.
Maybe there is a problem with aliases...I had to manually create the 
/usr/lib/mailman/data dir and both the 'alias' and 'virtual-mailman' files in 
that dir

(not sure of what contents should be in the described 'alias' and 
'virtual-mailman' files)

But running genaliases does not create the expected .db files

What output do you get after running it?

In postfix I have:
alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases, hash:/usr/lib/mailman/data/aliases

Not required.

virtual_alias_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/virtual, 
hash:/usr/lib/mailman/data/virtual-mailman

Yes.

and I have created the list and configured mm_cfg.py as specified

So you set MTA to Postfix and populated POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS to 
your virtual domains?  

Thanks.
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[Mailman-Users] Reducing Mailman backscatter

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

I am getting seriously hounded by my server provider, who is receiving 
complaints from ISPs that my server running Mailman is sending users spam 
messages.  When looking into this further, I notice that these messages are 
mainly administrivia responses, and that all of them mostly come from non-list 
members.

Does anyone know any way of discarding messages to specific addresses (mainly 
requests addresses) where the member is not on the list?  Obviously the 
subscription addresses I would like to leave as is for the moment.

I have also set all the moderation settings to discard for non-members as well 
to see this this improves matters.

Thanks.
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[Mailman-Users] Google Message Security (or similar) with Mailman

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

I saw some messages at the beginning of the year on this topic, but not sure if 
they ever got addressed.  I am looking at going with an email filtering service 
to protect Mailman traffic, as I am getting a lot of spam addressed to the 
request addresses which cause backscatter and NDRs bouncing.  My initial 
concern is regarding quarrentining of list traffic and how this is handled at 
the Postini end.

Any help greatfully received as always.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Migration of old debian woody mailman server

[Andrew Hodgson]

Peter Merritt wrote:

I have to migrate a dead mailman server running on debian woody to a new 
Ubuntu server. The drive failed and I was able to image the drive to a new 
drive but mailman will not run, seems that their is significant problems with 
the current mailman installation. All the commands seem die with python 
tracebacks. The data directories for mailman seen to be OK. I did some 
research on moving a list to a new server an it seems reasonably easy. But I 
am concerned about moving from an older version of mailman to a newer version. 
Additionally, I am going to use postfix for the mta, the old server is using 
exim. I also notice postgres running on the old server and wonder if 
exim/mailman could be using to for management. I did not have time to fully 
research the setup, its been running unattended for 8+ years.  I am looking 
for input about possible pitfalls and ideas to make this go easier Any help 
would be greatly appreciated. 

This isn't an exhaustive list of things you will need to do but will go some 
way towards it:

You definitely need the files in /var/lib/mailman/archives, and 
/var/lib/mailman/lists.  When you install a new Mailman version, copy those 
directories over the top, then run check_perms as root, followed by the update 
command to get the lists config files updated to the new version.  You will 
need to look at the /etc/mailman/mm_cfg.py file and merge changes from the old 
installation, namely for the hostnames/URL patterns etc.  Once you get some of 
the mailman commands running without errors, its time to configure Postfix and 
Apache to talk to the new installation.

Let us know how that goes.
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[Mailman-Users] Refreshing list of addresses

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

I want to refresh a list of email addresses in a member announcement list, I 
have the full names and email addresses in a text file.

I am going to set bounce options such that I can remove members straight away 
that are bouncing.

I have the following questions:

If I upload this text file as is, if the member is already subscribed, will it 
populate the name field?

If I remove all the members from the list, what is the easiest way of doing 
this without notifying everyone of this?

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Refreshing list of addresses

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi Mark,

Thanks for that.  I refreshed the list.  What is the best way of turning off 
bounce processing and receiving all bounces manually myself, or is that not 
possible?

Thanks.
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[Mailman-Users] Personalisation: how long does it take?

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

Just wondering how long in the real world it takes to get all messages from a 
personalised list sent out and processed by the MTA on the same machine as 
Mailman?  List is around 750 members.  I did run this once and it took over 10 
minutes to get all the messages delivered through the MTA, I am partially 
wondering whether that is because I am DKIM signing each message?  If I use 
standard delivery the processing time is a lot shorter (around a minute).

Just wondering,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Personalisation: how long does it take?

[Andrew Hodgson]

Terry Earley wrote:

I should also mention that this test was with DKIM signing and the number of 
members was between 2100 and 2200.

Thanks, something is wrong with the setup or the VPS I use is not running 
efficiently.  What MTA are you using? I am on Exim4.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.15 final released.

[Andrew Hodgson]

David wrote:

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.net wrote:

 I am happy to announce the final release of Mailman 2.1.15.

How would I update from the version of Mailman 2.1.14 from Ubuntu's repository 
(on Ubuntu 12.04)?

Ubuntu won't update this package by the normal route until the next version of 
Ubuntu is released (probably 12.10).  There are a couple of options:

1.  Build Mailman from source and run the version you want with the patches you 
want.

2.  Look at using packages from the testing/unstable Debian archives.

I have done option 1, build my own Mailman from source with the Htdig search 
engine patches.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 2.1.15 final released.

[Andrew Hodgson]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

I am happy to announce the final release of Mailman 2.1.15. This release is 
identical to the 2.1.15rc1 release except for the version number and the 
inclusion of a missing part of the HTML installation manual.

Thanks for this as ever, quality release.  I upgraded in a very short space of 
time, all working well.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] understanding Yahoo's email temporarily deferred due to user complaints

[Andrew Hodgson]

From: Dave (FitEyes)
Sent: 07 June 2012 18:37
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] understanding Yahoo's email temporarily deferred due 
to user complaints

We received the following message from Yahoo. We want to understand what 
happened and how to resolve it.

somelistmem...@yahoo.com: delivery temporarily suspended: host 
mta5.am0.yahoodns.net[209.191.88.254] refused to talk to me: 421 4.7.0 [TS01] 
Messages from OUR_IP_ADDRESS temporarily deferred due to user complaints - 
4.16.55.1; see http://postmaster.yahoo.com/421-ts01.html

The message has an attachment named noname.eml (as well as a details.txt 
file). We are assuming this noname.eml is the triggering email (maybe the one 
that was complained about). (BTW, it was not spam.)

Those aren't the messages that triggered this, it is likely these attachments 
were generated from your system which was having trouble sending to the Yahoo 
accounts.

Please read the documents at:

http://feedbackloop.yahoo.net/

If you are DKIM signing your messages this is good as it allows you to 
participate in the program, I participate in the program and get the complaints 
that users make (when they click the spam button in their mail client) directly.

Since signing up for the program I have no issue delivering to Yahoo addresses.

This first response from Yahoo listed (in details.txt) 150 out of about 600 
total Yahoo members on our list. These were the email addresses that we could 
not send to for 4 hours. There were 4 subsequent similar messages (each with a 
noname.eml attachment) from Yahoo (so 5 in total) and now this affects 450 
out of 600 Yahoo members on our list.

Yep, you are being throttled so some of the messages will get through, but 
others will be subject to the delay.  There is no pattern on which addresses 
will go through or not, it depends on which order the MTA tries to deliver the 
message.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Htdig integration

[Andrew Hodgson]

From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: 17 May 2012 23:43
To: Andrew Hodgson; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Htdig integration

Andrew Hodgson wrote:

Everything works fine, but if someone posts to a list it appears that the 
archive page gets re-generated without the search box at the top.  I feel I 
have missed something blindingly obvious and I am going to kick myself when 
I find out what it is but at the moment I am still searching!


Did you restart Mailman? If not, the old archtoc(nombox).html template
is cached in ArchRunner.

That was it, once it was restarted everything worked fine!

Thanks for that, I knew it was something simple!
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Htdig integration

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

One other question if I may:

When I run nightly_htdig -v to get the search engine updated, I get the 
following output:

htdig'ing archive of list: bcab-board
/bin/mv: `/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bcab-board/htdig/root2word.db' 
and `/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bcab-board/htdig/root2word.db' are the 
same file
/bin/mv: `/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bcab-board/htdig/word2root.db' 
and `/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bcab-board/htdig/word2root.db' are the 
same file
/bin/mv: `/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bcab-board/htdig/synonyms.db' and 
`/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bcab-board/htdig/synonyms.db' are the same 
file

Any suggestions?
Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Htdig integration

[Andrew Hodgson]

From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net] 
Sent: 18 May 2012 20:27
To: Andrew Hodgson; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Htdig integration

Andrew Hodgson wrote:

One other question if I may:

/bin/mv: 
`/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bcab-board/htdig/synonyms.db' and 
`/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/bcab-board/htdig/synonyms.db' are 
the same file

The nightly_htdig script runs the rundig shell script pointed to by 
mm_cfg.HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH

My version (3.2.0b6 + some patches from
ftp://ftp.ccsf.org/htdig-patches/3.2.0b6/) of that script doesn't look like 
it does those mv commands.

Weird. I am using the Debian version but have downloaded the source and it has 
the following in the rundig script:

case $alt in
-a)
  ( cd $DBDIR  test -f db.docdb.work 
for f in *.work
do
mv -f $f `basename $f .work`
done
test -f db.words.db.work_weakcmpr 
mv -f db.words.db.work_weakcmpr db.words.db_weakcmpr) ;;
esac

The nightly_htdig script doesn't I believe seem to use the -a option but it 
looks as though that is being done anyway.  The patch on the FTP site for the 
rundig command seems to fix another issue with the script.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman/Htdig integration

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

This is a Debian specific issue, look at:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=506448

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman/Htdig integration

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

Following comments on this list over the last few days I thought I would try 
out Mailman/Htdig integration on my setup.  I tried this on a sandbox VM I have 
here and everything seemed to go well, I did have to change some of the values 
for the URLs etc as I don't use the /mailman path in the URLs.  Everything 
worked in test so I pushed the changes out to the production system.

I did the following to enable:

Set the Htdig integration to enabled in mm_cfg.py
Run the arch command on the lists to generate the relevant pages with the 
search links at the top.
Run the nightly_htdig script to generate the search indexes.

Everything works fine, but if someone posts to a list it appears that the 
archive page gets re-generated without the search box at the top.  I feel I 
have missed something blindingly obvious and I am going to kick myself when I 
find out what it is but at the moment I am still searching!

Here is the relevant part of mm_cfg.py:
USE_HTDIG = 1
HTDIG_FILES_URL = '/htdigimages/'
HTDIG_HTSEARCH_PATH = '/usr/lib/cgi-bin/htsearch'
HTDIG_RUNDIG_PATH = '/usr/bin/rundig'

Any suggestions greatfully received.
Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mollom content filtering service?

[Andrew Hodgson]

David wrote: 

Is anyone using the Mollom service http://mollom.com/ with Mailman? Or does 
anyone know of a similar content filtering/spam service that is easy to 
integrate with Mailman and Postfix?

On initial checking it looks like more of a service one would use for blogs or 
comment forms rather than Mailman, the input for Mailman is email and not via 
web forms.  I am not even sure whether this would be useful on the subscription 
form, since you aren't posting any message to it other than the email address 
and name of the person, and you can verify subscriptions by use of a 
confirmation message, subscription moderation or either/both.

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman sending to Exchange 2010 Mail service.

[Andrew Hodgson]

Collins, Alex wrote:

Hi Everyone. 

We run  Mailman as a department. Our core mail service is Exchange 2010.
Exchange is running in Shadow Redundancy mode which means it uses a Message DE 
duplication system.
I'm lead to believe that this is based on the Message-ID. (Please correct me 
if I'm wrong !)

I am sure other people will give you pointers to do this, but you don't happen 
to have more info about the Exchange side doing this do you?  I am surprised 
that it will actually filter messages going to people's mailboxes, even if they 
have the same Message-ID.  I haven't seen this on the Exchange boxes I run, and 
we use Mailman in a similar way - Exchange distribution lists are no good if 
you want multiple internal and external recipients to be added and removed from 
the list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Striping out original DKIM header

[Andrew Hodgson]

Syafril Hermansyah [syaf...@dutaint.co.id] wrote:

My list has been run smoothly so far, but I got complaint from list
member who use yahoo.com family domain, all of their own posting goes to
to spam folder.

I suspect this is because mailman not stripe out original DKIM header so
that the DKIM verification going bad,

[...]

It does pass DKIM for domain python.org but not pass (BAD) for my own
domain (my domain has DKIM key).
This is logically correct since DKIM also sign for content of the
message and since Mailman alter the content I think she should remove
original DKIM header.

Simply add the following to mm_cfg.py:

REMOVE_DKIM_HEADERS = Yes

Taken from defaults.py:

# Some list posts and mail to the -owner address may contain DomainKey or
# DomainKeys Identified Mail (DKIM) signature headers http://www.dkim.org/.
# Various list transformations to the message such as adding a list header or
# footer or scrubbing attachments or even reply-to munging can break these
# signatures. It is generally felt that these signatures have value, even if
# broken and even if the outgoing message is resigned. However, some sites
# may wish to remove these headers by setting this to Yes.
REMOVE_DKIM_HEADERS = No

Note that there is various discussions around this topic, I had a similar issue 
with Yahoo, what I ended up doing was signing the messages leaving Mailman 
using the MTA, and not stripping any DKIM header.  This works fine now and 
Yahoo subscribers are receiving mail.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Striping out original DKIM header

[Andrew Hodgson]

Syafril Hermansyah wrote:

On 10/10/11 17:45, Andrew Hodgson wrote:

 I suspect this is because mailman not stripe out original DKIM header 
 so that the DKIM verification going bad,
 
 Simply add the following to mm_cfg.py:
 
 REMOVE_DKIM_HEADERS = Yes


 Taken from defaults.py:

My fault, I should check that file first :-(

Thank you.

Does this setting also removing DomainKey-Signature as well (generate by gmail 
users)?
I was using work around by removing those header using postfix's header check.

I believe it will do yes, as this feature was introduced when Domain Keys was 
still in active development and used a lot more than it is now.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Domain problem in post action on admindb forms for multi-domain mailman

[Andrew Hodgson]

Martin Brampton wrote:

I'm running Mailman 2.1.13 from the Debian Squeeze repositories (on Debian 
Squeeze) to provide mailing lists across several domains.  The domains that 
are not the primary mailing list domain have 301 redirects of URLs such as 
.../listinfo/ or .../admin/ to the primary domain.

In most cases this works, because the action in the form is relative, and the 
page is showing on the primary domain on account of the redirects.  When the 
form is submitted, the request therefore goes to the primary mailman domain.  
(Other domains are typically on different servers from Mailman, and do not 
have Mailman installed at all).

So from what you are saying, you are running Mailman in several domains, at the 
root of the domain (for example, listn...@example.com instead of 
listn...@lists.example.com), and example.com is typically hosted off a separate 
web server?

Instead of using redirects, have you looked at using Mod_Proxy to do the 
redirection at the backend on the web server hosting domain.com?

Thanks.
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[Mailman-Users] Setting options via email - confirmation rather than password?

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

Is there any way in Mailman to allow the users to set options (usually nomail 
style options) without the password argument?  The system would then send out a 
confirmation email which the user could reply or click a link in the email to 
confirm.  

We have a lot of users who subscribe by sending to list-subscr...@domain.com 
and replying to the confirmation mail, they don't go near the web interface :)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting options via email - confirmation rather than password?

[Andrew Hodgson]

From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: 01 June 2011 16:27
To: Andrew Hodgson
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Setting options via email - confirmation rather 
than password?

On 6/1/11 1:56 AM, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
 Hi,

 Is there any way in Mailman to allow the users to set options
 (usually nomail style options) without the password argument?  The
 system would then send out a confirmation email which the user could
 reply or click a link in the email to confirm.


This would require significant source modifications.

That's all the information I needed, thanks for that.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Monthly Reminder Question

[Andrew Hodgson]

Dennis Putnam wrote:

What triggers the monthly reminder? I cannot find any config parameter that 
lets me set what day or date in each month to send it. Does this have t be 
done manually with a cron job? If so what is the command?

It is in Cron - see the file in ~/cron/crontab.in:

[...]
|# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
|0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr/local/mailman/cron/mailpasswds

See this section of the installation guide:

http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node41.html

Thanks.
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[Mailman-Users] AV/AS on lists

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

What is the best practise for doing AV/AS on lists?  I do strip out attachments 
which works well enough, but we are getting some spam messages on the list 
which point people at dodgy sites etc., usually through subscribed addresses 
which have been hijacked.

I am worried that by installing SpamAssassin on the list that it will reject 
good mail, and be yet another place to look for issues.

Thoughts?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] AV/AS on lists

[Andrew Hodgson]

Odhiambo Washington wrote:

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 20:40, Andrew Hodgson and...@hodgsonfamily.orgwrote:

 Hi,

 What is the best practise for doing AV/AS on lists?  I do strip out 
 attachments which works well enough, but we are getting some spam 
 messages on the list which point people at dodgy sites etc., usually 
 through subscribed addresses which have been hijacked.

 I am worried that by installing SpamAssassin on the list that it will 
 reject good mail, and be yet another place to look for issues.


You must find a way to use the MTA to do it.

Oh yes I realise that I will need to do the spam management in the MTA, I just 
wondered whether anyone had specific suggestions on the best parameters for use 
with SpamAssassin etc for a list setup?

Thanks.
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[Mailman-Users] To use or not to use content filtering

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

I have read various discussions on this list about content filtering settings 
in Mailman. For the most part, I usually leave content filtering on, and leave 
the defaults, primarily for protecting list users against malicious attachments 
(I am enough of an MS veteran now not to care about filtering all HTML).  
However, over recent months we have had some issues with content filtering on 
some lists, with users who send emails with disclaimers, where the disclaimer 
is added as an attachment to the message, and Mailman appears to strip off the 
actual message, leaving the disclaimer to post to the list, and of course 
adding in the standard footer.

Are people using content filtering in lists where most people are using MS 
products, and a suitable antivirus package on the MTA as well as a low posting 
size limit, or are there any tweaks I can make to the content filtering 
settings that may get some of this stuff through?

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Phrase count

[Andrew Hodgson]

David Doria wrote:

[...]

Hi Ralf,

Is it possible to download the entire archive as one file?
I see that they are broken down into months:
http://www.vtk.org/pipermail/vtkusers/

To get the .mbox file directly you will need to access the server and download 
the file as a privileged user.  It may be quite large due to the size of the 
archive.

Alternatively you could use a crawl tool on the archives page like Wget or 
similar if you don't have access to the host.

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Phrase count

[Andrew Hodgson]

Adam McGreggor wrote:

[...]

http://lists.example.org/mailman/private/example-list.mbox/example-list.mbox, 
perhaps?

(works for me).

Luckily that doesn't work here, I don't believe you should be able to directly 
download the mbox files like that.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Phrase count

[Andrew Hodgson]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

[...]

Andrew Hodgson wrote:

David Doria wrote:

Is it possible to download the entire archive as one file?
I see that they are broken down into months:
http://www.vtk.org/pipermail/vtkusers/

To get the .mbox file directly you will need to access the server and 
download the file as a privileged user.  It may be quite large due to the 
size of the archive.

You don't need shell/privileged access to the server to get the archive mbox. 
You just need to be a list member.

Authenticate for private archive access by going to a URL like 
http://www.vtk.org/mailman/private/vtkusers/ and logging in. Then get 
http://www.vtk.org/mailman/private/vtkusers.mbox/vtkusers.mbox.

Ah, didn't realise that was possible, disregard my previous message on this 
subject.  Authentication was the key point.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Phrase count

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Adam McGreggor wrote:

[...]

On Wed, Dec 01, 2010 at 04:02:51PM +, Andrew Hodgson wrote:
 I don't believe you should be able to directly download the mbox files like 
 that.

Why ever not? What's so different about grabbing one mbox at once, rather than 
however many iterations/scraping?

The point that I didn't grasp was that you needed to log into the private 
archives before you could in fact do this.  From your message I mistakenly 
thought that you could just directly grab the mbox without authentication.

Sorry about that.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman server consuming entire Internet pipe (dual T1)

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Scott Race wrote:

[...]

I've done some basic testing for open relays, so far I have not found anything 
indicating it's an open relay. Packet sniffing shows connections from a 
number of IP addresses to the Mailman server.  Outside test shows the hostname 
is not an open relay, and I can't telnet on port 25 with standard HELO 
command.  All internal mail comes to a Barrucuda spam filter unit.

/usr/local/mailman/logs/post shows 19 posts today to the various lists.

The Postfix logs would be of more benefit I think here, as well as the mail 
queue.
 
You say you route mails through a Barracuda host, do you allow traffic directly 
into this machine on port 25 externally?  Is this machine hosting lists only, 
and if so, how is the Barracuda/Postfix server verifying recipients as early as 
possible (in case the domain is receiving large amounts of bounced mail and is 
rejecting with a full NDR and not a bounce at SMTP stage?  Does outbound mail 
get delivered direct from Postfix or are you smarthosting to the Barracuda?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Change list admin password, old one and new one works

[Andrew Hodgson]

Scott Race wrote:

In going through some security procedures yesterday, we decided to change our 
list passwords on all our lists.

The new password works, as does the old one still.  Restarting mailmanctl 
process does not fix.

If the list shared the old password with the site password, then using the old 
password (i.e, the site password) will get you past most password prompts in 
Mailman.

http://wiki.list.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4030543

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Backing Up the List of Members

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Ulf Dunkel wrote:

Hi Alan.

 Is there a command to exhibit all members on one page?  or, better
 yet, is there a command an administrator can invoke to have the
 members, if possible with their flags, shipped to my home computer?

I guess I would do a simple admin request email for the lists every now
and then, [...]

The issue I have with the roster email is that it doesn't tell you whether the 
user is on nomail or digest.  We had an issue last week where one of my users 
moved a lists from Freelists to Mailman, and we had a lot of complaints of 
users starting to receive mail again after going nomail, and digest users not 
being on digest.

Just something to take note of.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving / upgrading Mailman from Solaris to Linux

[Andrew Hodgson]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Andrew Hodgson wrote:

I am thinking of trying to build my own install for the reasons I outlined 
above, the reasons I am holding off this are:

1.  Having to move everything out of the directory structure you get with the 
Debian package.

I'm not sure what the Debian directory structure is, but you should be able to 
get very close via the --prefix, --exec-prefix and --with-var-prefix options 
to configure.

Actually I have just come out the other side of the upgrade, it wasn't too 
painful.  I actually put everything in /usr/local/mailman, as it allowed me to 
sort the configs etc out without breaking the working install.

I built the source on a virtual machine I do other testing on, then copied the 
mailman directory over to the live system, running fix_perms to ensure 
everything worked fine.

I built it with the user and group of list, and set the mail-gid and cgi-gid 
according to the Debian package.

I stole the scripts from /etc/init.d/mailman, /etc/logrotate.d/mailman and 
/etc/cron.d/mailman after tweaking a bit to keep the working init, logrotate 
and cron scripts working.

I then changed the Apache configs to point to the new installation, and after 
stopping the services, moved the archives and lists directories over.  I ran 
the new qrunner and everything started up ok.

The only issue I had which had me scratching my head for a bit was that 
simlinks in /usr/local/mailman/archives/public were broken, these are now fixed.

End result: Working Mailman with security patch applied :)

If anyone wants more detailed steps please let me know.

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving / upgrading Mailman from Solaris to Linux

[Andrew Hodgson]

Adam McGreggor wrote:

In such a case, you're reliant on the maintainer updating fixes
promptly (or very rarely, the security team), along with necessary
modifications to conform with Debian policy.

Yes, I am still waiting for the latest Mailman security patch to be included in 
the stable Debian repo, and it is a shame imho that we aren't likely to get 
2.1.14 in the next Debian release (the latest Debian package seems to be a 
patched 2.1.13).

Once one gets around those, one has something that's usable, and not
too difficult to operate, but I've not done a source -- source
comparison for a while.

It is easy to install and operate, I will give you that.

I'm lazy, and just use the versions in the repos, but am aware a
couple of folks on list either build their own PPAs or use others.

I am thinking of trying to build my own install for the reasons I outlined 
above, the reasons I am holding off this are:

1.  Having to move everything out of the directory structure you get with the 
Debian package.
2.  Knowing what functionality/bug fixes I am getting with the Debian specific 
patches that I wouldn't otherwise get from the upstream package.

Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] using mailman on a server other than the one that DNS is pointing to

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Adam Parker, OD wrote:

no, i'm not actually using that domain.  Cpanel allows you to easily set up a 
list - it just asks you for the name of the list and a password and does the 
rest for you.  The problem is that the server the Mailman/List resides on is 
not the server that houses the email server.  So i'm looking for a way for 
the 2nd server to be able to monitor the emails from the email server.
I went into the panel and there's a place to alter the MX record - one option 
is for Remote Mail Exchanger which I thought would work, but it doesn't.  
I'm not sure this is possible, but was hoping there'd be a way to use Mailman 
when the emails are not on same server.

Firstly, this list is not really set up to support users using the CPanel 
version of Mailman, which is altered to work with the CPanel setup.  We can 
only usually advise on a version of Mailman built from source, or that you can 
run the standard binaries on without breaking a CPanel list.

Having said that...

I understand you have two hosts - one running CPanel and Mailman, and one not.  
You have moved your site over to the new host, but want to continue with the 
old host for the Mailman hosting.  There are two options as I see it:

1.  Use the old Host to host the mail system for your domain.  This essentially 
means pointing the MX records at your old host, then letting them handle mail 
forwarding, Mailman hosting, and mail hosting.  The new host wouldn't concern 
itself about mail.

2.  Move the list to a subdomain inside your domain, i.e., lists.example.com.  
The MX records for your domain would point at the new mail server, but the MX 
records for the subdomain would point at the Mailman host.

Thanks.
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[Mailman-Users] Virtual domains and password reminder emails

[Andrew Hodgson]

Hi,

Is there a way of getting the password reminders to go out from the virtual 
domain instead of the base domain that is configured in mm_cfg.py and thus what 
the Mailman list was created with?

I haven't actually tried this yet, but want to configure everything correctly 
before creating the list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Best Mail Program to Use w/ Mailman

[Andrew Hodgson]

Beyer, Clay wrote:

We are setting up a Debian web server and would like to use Mailman to
manage a couple of mailing lists that we control. After some initial
complications with Mailman and Postfix we decided to uninstall and
reinstall everything, before we get going again, I just wanted to get an
idea of what the best mail program, taken from the Mailman
Documentation, to use with Mailman... Postfix, Qmail, Exim, or Sendmail.

Personally I would go with Debian's default of Exim and follow the well written 
instructions in the Debian package file 
/usr/share/doc/mailman/README.Exim4.Debian, it really is a cut and paste setup. 
 This basically emulates the Postfix virtual style setup, but includes the 
routers etc to get Exim to see the relevant virtual aliases files.

I have converted three Mailman setups that were using Postfix (on a mix of 
Ubuntu and FreeBSD) to this setup, and it worked fine.  In all these cases this 
was a separate box managing a bit of web stuff and lists, not the primary email 
server.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Warning: I/O Error While Trying To Byte-Compile

[Andrew Hodgson]

Beyer, Clay Wrote:

Mark Sapiro Wrote:

[...]

This is a Debian packaging issue. If you wish to install Debian's
Mailman package, you'll have to take this up with Debian.

How would I go about completely removing the current, albeit, partial
install of mailman? Is there a way to do any kind of complete removal
other than just searching and deleting (after an apt-get remove)? I am a
bit of a Linux beginner, so I am not entirely sure how the tarball
installations works, but I am betting that is simpler to figure out and
will ask if I need any assistance.

apt-get purge mailman, then delete files in /var/lib/mailman, /etc/mailman, 
/usr/lib/mailman, /usr/share/mailman and /usr/share/doc/mailman (I think that 
is it).  Purge should do all this for you (especially if you haven't touched 
any list config).

On the other hand, that is a strange error you got, and suggests you may have 
another underlying issue.  If you haven't got anything else on the box, you may 
just want to reinstall with the latest Lenny minimal server install and work 
upwards.

Using the Tarball is easy enough, though I always use the Debian package 
because I never have any issues with it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help: lists set up and successfully subscribed but no one is getting the email

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Heather Peterson wrote:

I set up a new list and mass subscribed my whole office (5 people), but none 
of us has received the welcome message that I included, and when I did a test 
email from outlook to the list, no one received it.
Help!

You need to include more information with this, such as:

- The version of Mailman you are running.
- The MTA you are running.
- What steps you made to configure Mailman on the server, how did you integrate 
it with the MTA?

I checked the headers of your mail, and it seems like you are possibly using a 
CPanel setup, if so, read the FAQ entry at 
http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/Mailman+and+CPanel.  Apologies if I was 
premature in that conclusion.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] No e-mail left in the intended e-mail box

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Christus Publishing wrote:

To whom it may concern,

We have set-up but the e-mails coming into the box are not received in the
box or left in the e-mail box --- they are just forwarded to the intended
recipients.  What do we have to do to make sure the e-mails coming in stay
in the box?

Mailman is a list manager - that is, if you send to the list address, it will 
send the email out to all the subscribers on the list.  It should archive a 
copy of the message (if the list configuration permits it to do so), and that 
should be accessible via the web GUI.  So from the little information you gave 
us, it would seem that Mailman is possibly doing its job?

Perhaps if you give us some more information about what you did to configure 
Mailman on your system, and what you believe it isn't doing, we can help you 
further.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Server skips Mailman - more

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alexan...@nautae.eti.br wrote:

I'm using postfix-to-mailman script.

I had a lot of problems with this and Postfix thinking the users were not known 
on the domain, causing 5XX bounces.  I think the reason for this is that 
Postfix does the recipient lookup at the SMTP stage, and doesn't run this 
script at this time, thus the alias never expands.

I followed the document at:

http://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-install/node13.html

Look at the virtual domains section (I didn't initialy use this on Postfix 
because I only hosted lists at the one domain, and so didn't need multi-domain 
hosting).

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