Re: [Mailman-Users] Problems sending to prodigy.net mail server addresses
I sent postmas...@prodigy.net an email, and again, after the first one didn't receive a reply. They finally replied to both messages saying it was a problem on their side (which I think we all knew already. :) They said to send them another note if it happens again. We'll see... Thanks to all for the sanity check! /raj > On Feb 11, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Joseph Brennan wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 1:07 AM Richard Johnson wrote: > >> I run a small mailman server for our historical recreation group. Lately, >> I've been seeing messages like: >> >> : host al-ip4-mx-vip1.prodigy.net[144.160.235.143] said: >> 550 5.7.1 Connections not accepted from servers without a valid sender >> domain.alph733 Fix reverse DNS for 149.28.67.38 (in reply to MAIL FROM >> command) > > > >> host 149.28.67.38 > 38.67.28.149.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer peacock.place. >> host peacock.place > peacock.place has address 149.28.67.38 > > The DNS records look perfect to me. If you're going through a time warp to > Prodigy maybe the new top-levels like .place don't work yet? You get the > error after MAIL FROM because that's the earliest point when a server is > allowed to 550. > > The thing that puzzles me is that "domain.alph733" in there. I don't know > what that is. If you're sending that in the HELO / EHLO then that is an > error. > > Joe Brennan > Columbia University > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/raj%40mischievous.us -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Problems sending to prodigy.net mail server addresses
I run a small mailman server for our historical recreation group. Lately, I've been seeing messages like: : host al-ip4-mx-vip1.prodigy.net[144.160.235.143] said: 550 5.7.1 Connections not accepted from servers without a valid sender domain.alph733 Fix reverse DNS for 149.28.67.38 (in reply to MAIL FROM command) The addresses "email@hostname" is actually the failed recipient address. The two giving problems are at pacbell.net and sbcglobal.net. I assume their email is handled by prodigy.net. What seems strange is that MOST of the time messages go through just fine, but ever now-and-then I'll get this failure notice. The messages are all sent to the mailing list "cor...@cortha.org". I have the mailing list setup with "host_name" set as "cortha.org", so that the address used in the messages will be "cor...@cortha.org" and replies will go there. The system which is actually handling the mailing list is officially named "peacock.place", but an MX points there from cortha.org. The reverse DNS (PTR) record gives the peacock.place name, since that's the official hostname. If Prodigy is comparing the From: address with the PTR record, then, yes, it will not agree. This would be crazy, since the PTR can only point to one hostname and is supposed to be the official hostname. I believe I have my DKIM and DMARC info correct as well. Personally, I think Prodigy just has a problem with no one else has and it seems to be their own, but I'm wondering if there's some way to work with them? Any help is greatly appreciated! /raj -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Question re. moving a mailing list
Ok, it looks as if specifying my "General Options" -> "Host name this list
prefers for email" as "mischievous.us" will force the From address on all
outgoing messages to say "testl...@mischievous.us". Since that matches with
the original To address, then a Reply-all will not produce two addresses.
I think this will work for me and then when I'm ready to really move totally
over, I'll just change it.
Thanks for the help!
/raj
> On Sep 14, 2018, at 10:19 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> On 09/14/2018 09:43 AM, Richard Johnson wrote:
>>
>> My issue is that the mail sent out says:
>>
>> From: testlist@peacock.place
>> To: testl...@mischievous.us
>> Cc:
>>
>> such that when I do a Reply-all, I get a message addressed as:
>>
>> To: testlist@peacock.place
>> Cc: testl...@mischievous.us
>
>
> Right. Your original message was To: testl...@mischievous.us so when you
> reply-all, your MUA includes that address in the recipients of the reply.
>
>
>> I notice that I don't seem to receive any duplicate messages. Perhaps
>> Mailman is taking care of that for me, which is great!
>
>
> Mailman is not doing that. Possibly something is dropping one of the
> messages because of the duplicate Message-ID
>
>
>> I had expected that my configuration in /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
>> of:
>>
>> MTA = 'Postfix'
>> OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes
>> RCPT_BASE64_HEADER_NAME = 'X-My-Recip'
>> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'peacock.place'
>> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'peacock.place'
>> add_virtualhost('mischievous.us', 'peacock.place')
>> add_virtualhost('peacock.place', 'peacock.place')
>> add_virtualhost('www.peacock.place', 'peacock.place')
>>
>> would have maybe told it that "mischievous.us" is another way of sending to
>> this same mailing list and thus it wouldn't include the CC, but maybe I'm
>> missing something?
>
>
> What tells Mailman that "mischievous.us" is another way of sending to
> this same mailing list is putting testl...@mischievous.us in Privacy
> options... -> Recipient filters -> acceptable_aliases of the
> testlist@peacock.place list.
>
> Your add_virtualhost('mischievous.us', 'peacock.place') and
> add_virtualhost('www.peacock.place', 'peacock.place') have nothing to do
> with this.
>
> However, as far as I can see, it is not Mailman putting
> testl...@mischievous.us in the Cc: of your reply-all. It is your MUA.
>
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[Mailman-Users] Question re. moving a mailing list
I have my original test mailing list "testl...@mischievous.us". I copied it to
be "testlist@peacock.place" and then aliased "testlist" on mischievous.us to go
to "testlist@peacock.place". This works fine. My "General Options" has "Munge
From", so the From address always says "testlist@peacock.place", when
peacock.place is sending out the messages. This works fine.
My issue is that the mail sent out says:
From: testlist@peacock.place
To: testl...@mischievous.us
Cc:
such that when I do a Reply-all, I get a message addressed as:
To: testlist@peacock.place
Cc: testl...@mischievous.us
I notice that I don't seem to receive any duplicate messages. Perhaps Mailman
is taking care of that for me, which is great! I had expected that my
configuration in /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py of:
MTA = 'Postfix'
OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes
RCPT_BASE64_HEADER_NAME = 'X-My-Recip'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'peacock.place'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'peacock.place'
add_virtualhost('mischievous.us', 'peacock.place')
add_virtualhost('peacock.place', 'peacock.place')
add_virtualhost('www.peacock.place', 'peacock.place')
would have maybe told it that "mischievous.us" is another way of sending to
this same mailing list and thus it wouldn't include the CC, but maybe I'm
missing something?
/raj
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[Mailman-Users] Something wrong with moving a list
I recently moved a list from one server to another. Probably I missed something. Everything seems to be correct except that the footer which should be produced (using "Personalize: yes") doesn't get the values substituted with the real info. It looks like this: %(real_name)s mailing list %(real_name)s@%(host_name)s %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s Is there something obvious I'm missing? /raj -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to force retry queue to try again?
Interesting. Ok. Thanks! /raj > On Aug 6, 2018, at 10:12 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 08/06/2018 09:58 PM, Richard Johnson wrote: >> >> (Mailman seems to deliver outgoing list messages to the local SMTP server >> via "::1". I was expecting 127.0.0.1. I wasn't expecting ipv6! ["Nobody >> expects ipv6!"]) :) > > > Mailman delivers by default to localhost. That's ::1 because that's what > localhost resolves to in your /etc/hosts. If that's not what you want, > change /etc/hosts. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/raj%40mischievous.us -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to force retry queue to try again?
Thanks, I'll keep this information around for future reference! In the
meantime, the queue was automatically retried and the changes I made to postfix
configuration were correct, so the mail was delivered just fine!
(Mailman seems to deliver outgoing list messages to the local SMTP server via
"::1". I was expecting 127.0.0.1. I wasn't expecting ipv6! ["Nobody expects
ipv6!"]) :)
/raj
> On Aug 6, 2018, at 9:16 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
>
> On 08/06/2018 07:22 PM, Richard Johnson wrote:
>> I'm trying to find some documentation on how to force my retry
>> ("RetryRunner") queue to try delivery again. I'll keep searching but
>> thought I'd toss a quick note here as well. Anyone?
>
>
> Prior to Mailman 2.1.26, it processes the queue, sleeps for 15 minutes
> and repeats. There has always been a DELIVERY_RETRY_WAIT setting that
> defaulted to 1 hour, but prior to 2.1.26, it was ineffective. The
> current doc for that setting in Defaults.py is
>
>> # How long should we wait before we retry a temporary delivery failure?
>> # Because RetryRunner sleeps for 15 minutes between processes of its queue,
>> # whatever is put here is effectively rounded up to the next integer multiple
>> # of 15 minutes.
>> DELIVERY_RETRY_WAIT = hours(1)
>
> The way this works is when a delivery fails for a temp failure, the
> current time + DELIVERY_RETRY_WAIT is placed in the message's metadata
> and the message won't be retried before that time.
>
> If your Mailman is pre 2.1.26, or if DELIVERY_RETRY_WAIT has been set to
> a very low value, you can restart RetryRunner by sending it SIGINT. That
> should wake it up to process its queue.
>
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[Mailman-Users] How to force retry queue to try again?
I'm trying to find some documentation on how to force my retry ("RetryRunner")
queue to try delivery again. I'll keep searching but thought I'd toss a quick
note here as well. Anyone?
Thanks for any help you can provide!
/raj
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to track down someone mislabeling msgs as abuse?
Thanks! I have now upgraded to 2.1.27 and inserted this config. My test worked and I see how to decode it. Hopefully, I'm well placed when I see some of this "abuse" nonsense again. :) /raj > On Jun 25, 2018, at 10:19 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > On 6/25/18 11:39 AM, Richard Johnson wrote: >> I have a mailing list which has 51 members, all friends of mine. We use it >> to communicate on things related to our history club. About 1-2 times a >> month, I receive an automated message from AOL's abuse list, saying that >> someone has marked one of the messages as "abuse". Unfortunately, there's >> no way to track down who this could be, since there are about 5 addresses on >> the list which are AOL addresses. > > > Sorry about the prior fumbled send :( > > In my experience, AOL's redaction is not always complete, particularly > if the message is VERPed, but in any case, beginning with Mailman 2.1.24 > we have > >>- There is a new RCPT_BASE64_HEADER_NAME setting. If this is set to a >> non-empty string, that string is the name of a header that will be added >> to personalized and VERPed deliveries with value equal to the base64 >> encoding of the recipient's email address. This is intended to enable >> identification of the recipient otherwise redacted from "spam report" >> feedback loop messages. > > E.g., set > > RCPT_BASE64_HEADER_NAME = 'X-My-Recip' > > in mm_cfg.py and the VERPed or personalized message will have a > > X-My-Recip: header with the base64 encoded recip. The name of the header > is a setting to prevent AOL from knowing what it is and redacting it too. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/raj%40mischievous.us -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to track down someone mislabeling msgs as abuse?
I tried this just now, adding "%(user_address)" to the footer, and I'm geting: Warning: The following illegal substitution variables were found in the msg_footer string: user_address (I included "OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes" into mm_cfg.py, and I did bin/mailmanctl restart.) What version of mailman are you using? Mine is 2.1.22, which I know is old. /raj > On Jun 25, 2018, at 12:36 PM, Richard Johnson wrote: > > Thanks for the suggestion! I'll try it out. > > As for routing directly to spam, I actually thought of that and asked him to > verify that wasn't the case. He says he has no such filter. > > I'm hoping that if I can provide proof that it's him, he'll take it more > seriously and take a closer look. At any rate, if I can prove it's him, I'll > have justification for removing him from the list or at least ask if he has a > different email address I can use. > > Thanks again! > > /raj > > >> On Jun 25, 2018, at 12:23 PM, Russell Clemings > <mailto:rclemi...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> I put %(user_address)s in the message footer; that doesn't seem to get >> sanitized by the feedback loops. >> >> It doesn't work for digests though, just regular messages. >> >> I believe it also requires you to set OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION on >> mm_cfg.py. >> >> As to your suspect, since he says he's not seeing the messages, is it >> possible he has an autofilter that's routing them directly to spam? I had a >> user like that recently. >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Richard Johnson > <mailto:r...@mischievous.us>> wrote: >> I have a mailing list which has 51 members, all friends of mine. We use it >> to communicate on things related to our history club. About 1-2 times a >> month, I receive an automated message from AOL's abuse list, saying that >> someone has marked one of the messages as "abuse". Unfortunately, there's >> no way to track down who this could be, since there are about 5 addresses on >> the list which are AOL addresses. All I get is this: >> >> Feedback-Type: abuse >> User-Agent: AOL SComp >> Version: 0.1 >> Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 10:04:00 -0400 (EDT) >> Source-IP: 98.173.52.230 >> Reported-Domain: mischievous.us <http://mischievous.us/> >> Redacted-Address: redacted >> Redacted-Address: redacted@ >> >> Along with also a copy of the original message. >> >> Using the "Received-Date" header, I can see that it looks as if the timing >> would point to one particular list member, but he says he's not doing >> anything like that. (As a matter of fact, he has told me, on a few >> occasions, that he didn't even see the message in question at all!) >> >> I've read that some people have addressed this by inserting a unique string >> at the end of each person's message. I don't see a way to do this with >> Mailman 2.1.22. Would something like this be possible with more recent >> versions such as 2.1.27, or even the latest 3.x version? Are there other >> ways to address this? I don't want to reprimand the person, I just want to >> educate them to not mark list messages as abuse! >> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated! >> >> /raj >> >> -- >> Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org >> <mailto:Mailman-Users@python.org> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users >> <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users> >> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 <http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3> >> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 <http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9> >> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ >> <http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/> >> Unsubscribe: >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/rclemings%40gmail.com >> <https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/rclemings%40gmail.com> >> >> >> >> -- >> === >> Russell Clemings >> mailto:russ...@clemings.com>> >> === > > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/raj%40mischievous.us -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to track down someone mislabeling msgs as abuse?
Thanks for the suggestion! I'll try it out. As for routing directly to spam, I actually thought of that and asked him to verify that wasn't the case. He says he has no such filter. I'm hoping that if I can provide proof that it's him, he'll take it more seriously and take a closer look. At any rate, if I can prove it's him, I'll have justification for removing him from the list or at least ask if he has a different email address I can use. Thanks again! /raj > On Jun 25, 2018, at 12:23 PM, Russell Clemings <mailto:rclemi...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > I put %(user_address)s in the message footer; that doesn't seem to get > sanitized by the feedback loops. > > It doesn't work for digests though, just regular messages. > > I believe it also requires you to set OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION on > mm_cfg.py. > > As to your suspect, since he says he's not seeing the messages, is it > possible he has an autofilter that's routing them directly to spam? I had a > user like that recently. > > > > On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Richard Johnson <mailto:r...@mischievous.us>> wrote: > I have a mailing list which has 51 members, all friends of mine. We use it > to communicate on things related to our history club. About 1-2 times a > month, I receive an automated message from AOL's abuse list, saying that > someone has marked one of the messages as "abuse". Unfortunately, there's no > way to track down who this could be, since there are about 5 addresses on the > list which are AOL addresses. All I get is this: > > Feedback-Type: abuse > User-Agent: AOL SComp > Version: 0.1 > Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 10:04:00 -0400 (EDT) > Source-IP: 98.173.52.230 > Reported-Domain: mischievous.us <http://mischievous.us/> > Redacted-Address: redacted > Redacted-Address: redacted@ > > Along with also a copy of the original message. > > Using the "Received-Date" header, I can see that it looks as if the timing > would point to one particular list member, but he says he's not doing > anything like that. (As a matter of fact, he has told me, on a few > occasions, that he didn't even see the message in question at all!) > > I've read that some people have addressed this by inserting a unique string > at the end of each person's message. I don't see a way to do this with > Mailman 2.1.22. Would something like this be possible with more recent > versions such as 2.1.27, or even the latest 3.x version? Are there other > ways to address this? I don't want to reprimand the person, I just want to > educate them to not mark list messages as abuse! > > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > /raj > > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org > <mailto:Mailman-Users@python.org> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > <https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users> > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 <http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3> > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 <http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9> > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > <http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/> > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/rclemings%40gmail.com > <https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/rclemings%40gmail.com> > > > > -- > === > Russell Clemings > mailto:russ...@clemings.com>> > === -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] How to track down someone mislabeling msgs as abuse?
I have a mailing list which has 51 members, all friends of mine. We use it to communicate on things related to our history club. About 1-2 times a month, I receive an automated message from AOL's abuse list, saying that someone has marked one of the messages as "abuse". Unfortunately, there's no way to track down who this could be, since there are about 5 addresses on the list which are AOL addresses. All I get is this: Feedback-Type: abuse User-Agent: AOL SComp Version: 0.1 Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2018 10:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Source-IP: 98.173.52.230 Reported-Domain: mischievous.us Redacted-Address: redacted Redacted-Address: redacted@ Along with also a copy of the original message. Using the "Received-Date" header, I can see that it looks as if the timing would point to one particular list member, but he says he's not doing anything like that. (As a matter of fact, he has told me, on a few occasions, that he didn't even see the message in question at all!) I've read that some people have addressed this by inserting a unique string at the end of each person's message. I don't see a way to do this with Mailman 2.1.22. Would something like this be possible with more recent versions such as 2.1.27, or even the latest 3.x version? Are there other ways to address this? I don't want to reprimand the person, I just want to educate them to not mark list messages as abuse! Any help would be greatly appreciated! /raj -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.27 released
I see I'm still running 2.1.22. I'd like to upgrade to 2.1.27, however. Is there a document with instructions on how to upgrade? Thanks! /raj > On Jun 22, 2018, at 10:37 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > > I am pleased to announce the release of Mailman 2.1.27. > > Python 2.6 is the minimum supported, but Python 2.7 is strongly recommended. > > This is a routine bug fix release with a few new features and some minor > security enhancements. See the attached README.txt for details. > > Mailman is free software for managing email mailing lists and > e-newsletters. Mailman is used for all the python.org and > SourceForge.net mailing lists, as well as at hundreds of other sites. > > For more information, please see our web site at one of: > > http://www.list.org > https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman > http://mailman.sourceforge.net/ > https://mirror.list.org/ > > Mailman 2.1.27 can be downloaded from > > https://launchpad.net/mailman/2.1/ > https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/mailman/ > https://sourceforge.net/projects/mailman/ > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan > > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/raj%40mischievous.us -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] How to remove "cc" of sender but retain "sender"?
Hi! I hope this isn't just a matter of my not having searched enough! I searched through all of the configuration I see, but didn't find a way to configure a mailing list to (1) set the "From" as the list address, while also (2) NOT including the sender in to any "CC" list, and instead including the sender in a "Sender" header. Why do I want this? I want all replies to go back to the list, but without any CC's going back to the sender, and while still retaining enough Sender information so that people can see from whom the message originated. Maybe there's some better way or some good reason why I really don't want this? (What I'm seeing is that some mail user agents will sometimes include the sender of the message to which they are replying as well as their own address into a "CC" list. I'm hoping to avoid the duplicate messages, if possible.) /raj -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Some recipients not receiving messages?
I'm not sure what's going on here. My mailing list has 47 recipients, yet when a message is sent to it, the "smtp" log sometimes says it's been delivered to 40 recipients and sometimes to 41 recipients. Questions: (1) Why not "47" recipients, since that's the number on the list? (2) Why sometimes "40" and sometimes "41"? (3) Is there a way to see the entire list of recipients sent for each message received? Thanks for any help! /raj -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do some get digests as a series of attachments?
Actually, my list is setup to send all digests in text format. I was toying with the idea of sending in MIME format. Maybe that would be better? But it sounds as if you're saying that a user can specify that they want MIME instead of there configured version, somewhere in their personal config? /raj (sent from iPhone) > On Sep 2, 2016, at 7:45 PM, Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote: > >> On 09/02/2016 06:48 PM, Richard Johnson wrote: >> This is strange. One of my list users gets digest messages as a series of >> attachments, while all other users receive digests as all text, with the >> messages one after the other. >> >> The person who gets the attachments has a Cox.net address. Maybe they're >> doing something to it? > > > That has nothing to do with it. There are two digest formats. > > Plain text is a digest with all non-plain text parts stored aside and > replaced by links and flattened into a single plain text message. > > MIME format is a multipart digest with each original message in its own > sub-part. > > Your user who gets 'attachments' has elected to receive MIME digests. > You can see this on the user's options page or the admin membership list > pages. > > Whether a MIME digest is rendered with the message parts inline, only as > attachments or not at all is a function of the mail client reading the > message. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/raj%40mischievous.us -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Why do some get digests as a series of attachments?
This is strange. One of my list users gets digest messages as a series of attachments, while all other users receive digests as all text, with the messages one after the other. The person who gets the attachments has a Cox.net address. Maybe they're doing something to it? /raj (sent from iPhone) -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC problems
This is described as: > Action to take when anyone posts to the list from a domain with a DMARC > Reject/Quarantine Policy. but the problem I'm getting is: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/postmaster/SLN7253.html which seems to be caused by the "From" address not matching the domain name wince the message was sent. I think in order to satisfy this, I need to simply apply "from_is_list"="Munge From". When I apply this along with "reply_goes_to_list"="This list", then the original sender's address appears in the "CC" list, which is ok, since most people just hit "reply" and not "reply all". I created a test list and played with it, looking at the SMTP interaction to verify that yahoo seems to think this is fine. /raj > On Jul 15, 2016, at 5:00 PM, Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 07/15/2016 03:15 PM, Richard Johnson wrote: >> I have now upgraded to 2.1.22. Thanks! > > > And in 2.1.22, dmarc_moderation_action is generally preferable to > from_is_list because it is only applied to those post that need it. > > See Privacy options... -> Sender filters > > -- > Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] DMARC problems
I have now upgraded to 2.1.22. Thanks! /raj > On Jul 15, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 07/15/2016 01:45 PM, Richard Johnson wrote: >> >>> In 2.1.16 a from_is_list feature was implemented ... > >> I'm running 2.1.17 and the only thing I see which seems related to this is >> the "anonymous list" option under General Options. Is this what's being >> referred to here, or is there some other "site configuration" (i.e., >> per-site configuration?) method somewhere? > > > You really should upgrade. There have been ongoing changes in this area > through 2.1.22. See > <http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/NEWS>. > However, to answer your question, in 2.1.16 and 2.1.17 the from_is_list > feature had to be enabled by putting > > ALLOW_FROM_IS_LIST = Yes > > in mm_cfg.py. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/raj%40mischievous.us -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] DMARC problems
I've been running a number of mailing lists for quite a while and never noticed any problems until I setup one which has some yahoo and hotmail addresses on it. Now I have to deal with the DMARC problem. :( Looking at: https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC I see it says: > In 2.1.16 a from_is_list feature was implemented which if enabled by a site > configuration option would offer a list admin the ability to either: > > • Rewrite (Munge) the From: header with the posters name 'via the list' > and the list's address and merge the poster's address into Reply-To: or > • Wrap the message as a message/rfc822 sub-part in a MIME format outer > message with From: and Reply-To: as above. I'm running 2.1.17 and the only thing I see which seems related to this is the "anonymous list" option under General Options. Is this what's being referred to here, or is there some other "site configuration" (i.e., per-site configuration?) method somewhere? /raj -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] How to actively read the list online?
Thanks for the reply and thanks for showing me a working link for HyperKitty. I saw mention of HyperKitty on the net but didn't see any example screens, so I wasn't sure if it would be worth the trouble of downloading/installing or not. It actually looks like the closest match to what I was looking for, but it's true that I don't know if it does automatic updates. I'll check into HyperKitty. Thanks! /raj > On Jul 8, 2016, at 8:50 AM, Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote: > > On 7/7/16 3:33 PM, Richard Johnson wrote: >> >> Is there any way to setup a web page which would automatically update to >> show the most recent messages in the archive? I have an archive setup and >> it receives a copy of the messages fairly quickly, but it doesn't update >> automatically and also anyone looking at it would need to update their URL >> at least every month, since the messages are organized by month. > > > It depends on whether the list's archives are public or not. If they are > public, you might consider a third party archive service like > mail-archive.com. See > <https://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/> for an example > that might fill your need, although I don't know if it refreshes for new > posts. > > Otherwise, you could possibly create your own web page to serve your > archive in the manner you desire. This might not be difficult for public > archives as the archives themselves are all static files. For private > archives, you would need an authentication scheme which would presumably > need to talk to Mailman. > > I'm not aware of anyone having done this. > > The Mailman 3 HyperKitty archiver provides a different UI which may be > good for you (see > <https://lists.mailman3.org/archives/list/mailman-us...@mailman3.org/>), > but I don't think it refreshes with new posts either. > > -- > Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/raj%40mischievous.us -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
