[Mailman-Users] Re: Where's the installation directions / source, etc, please?

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I feel the same way, hence still running Mailman2 (on RHEL8). It is simple and 
low CPU hit, however Red Hat stops it support in May 2024.

Containers are really useful where done well but I tried 2 or  times to get 
mailman3 going on RHEL9 with podman and even docker and failed.

I think Debian12 does mailman3? worth a go if so.  In my case I am not allowed 
to run an unsupported OS and app.

regards

Steven


From: Mark Sapiro 
Sent: Tuesday, 18 July 2023 6:57 am
To: mailman-users@python.org 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Where's the installation directions / source, etc, 
please?

On 7/17/23 10:54, rich...@karmannghia.org wrote:
>
> I used to use plain-ole mailman, WAY back in the '90s, BEFORE mailman2
> and LONG before mailman3... And I sure wish mailman2 had been done by
> people who had a sense for the challenges for normal non-developer
> system managers to deal with the software they actually developed. I'm
> sure it's fine if you're already a Django programmer and use
> "containers" all the time, but I'm not a Django fanboy, don't ever care
> to be, and think the idea of containers is inappropriate technology for
> a hell of a lot of use-cases, especially a small, self-run, no-budget
> installation.


I think you are referring to Mailman 3, not Mailman 2.


> So, I'm done with it and want to go back to the old stuff. I'll happily
> build from source, etc. But my simplistic web searches haven't returned
> results and I'm afraid I didn't keep great records about it back when
> since it was just a part of my Fedora package system!
>
> So, any pointers for this long-in-the-tooth Fedora Sys Admin?

If you want to install Mailman 2.1 from source, see
>
for various download locations. You can find the installation manual at
>.

You can also find tarballs for releases back to 1.0 at
>.

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[Mailman-Users] Re: emails sitting in postfix mailq a long time

[Steven Jones]

That email has gone but we have a similar one running today,

[root@vuwunicomailmp1 ~]# grep A2FC12B3C2  /var/log/maillog
Jan 26 12:06:24 vuwunicomailmp1 postfix/smtpd[1701064]: A2FC12B3C2: 
client=mail-sy4aus01lp2176.outbound.protection.outlook.com[104.47.71.176]
Jan 26 12:06:24 vuwunicomailmp1 postfix/cleanup[1700168]: A2FC12B3C2: 
message-id=<5d76f972-5e21-4e35-9238-3c52fc431...@sy6pr01mb8442.ausprd01.prod.outlook.com>
Jan 26 12:06:24 vuwunicomailmp1 postfix/qmgr[1503666]: A2FC12B3C2: from=<>, 
size=78692, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
[root@vuwunicomailmp1 ~]# find /var/spool -name A2FC12B3C2
/var/spool/postfix/active/A2FC12B3C2
[root@vuwunicomailmp1 ~]#

Looking inside A2~

"8><
Your message to x.s
h...@xx.nz couldn't be delivered.NLx.shaw wasn't found at .nz, 
or the mailbox is unava
ilabl=Ne.N2nz-libs-bounces
8><

It looks like the user doesnt exist so yes 99% sure it is a bounce.  Just for 
some reason this list is really bad at cluttering the mailq.

TY

We are still getting delays of hours on odd emails in other lists which I cant 
fathom yet but it is not this impacting I think?


regards

Steven




From: Mark Sapiro 
Sent: Tuesday, 25 January 2022 2:18 pm
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Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: emails sitting in postfix mailq a long time

On 1/24/22 16:36, Steven Jones wrote:
> Hi,
>
> trying to figure out why there are a lot of these in postfix's mail queu,
>
> 75D752B3E0*  415295 Tue Jan 25 12:38:50  MAILER-DAEMON
>   xx-bounces@lists.xx
>
> Are these bounces back into mailman?

They could be. They also could be spam sent to the
xx-bounces@lists.xx address, but the MAILER-DAEMON sender makes
bounces more likely.

The asterisk says the message is active. Whats in the mail.log for
these? E.g.

grep 75D752B3E0 /var/log/mail.log

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman data backup

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Also the way I understand how MTAs work is postfix or whatever you are using 
should hold the email if Mailman is offline while you are backing up?  Once 
mailman is backup postfix should deliver?



regards

Steven


From: Mark Sapiro 
Sent: Tuesday, 25 January 2022 8:48 am
To: mailman-users@python.org 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman data backup

On 1/24/22 01:26, kukyayuni--- via Mailman-Users wrote:
> Hi
>
> Please tell me about Mailman backup.
> We want to back up our mailing list configuration data, archives, etc. 
> without stopping the Mailman service.
> Can you please tell us how to do this?


I'm assuming this is a Mailman 2.1 question since this is a Mailman 2.1
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For Mailman 2.1, it should be sufficient to backup Mailman's mutable
data which is in Mailman's archives/, data/, lists/, locks/, logs/,
qfiles/ and spam/ directories although locks/ and qfiles/ are pretty
specific to the running instance and probably shouldn't be restored from
backups.

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[Mailman-Users] emails sitting in postfix mailq a long time

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

trying to figure out why there are a lot of these in postfix's mail queu,

75D752B3E0*  415295 Tue Jan 25 12:38:50  MAILER-DAEMON
 xx-bounces@lists.xx

Are these bounces back into mailman?




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[Mailman-Users] admins post to a list held for moderation

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I am seeing post to Mailman2 lists being held for moderation yet they are sent 
by an admin of that list.

I cannot fathom why.  Max recipients is set to 10 and its only 3 lists at once 
in this case.

What other things can I check on that might be causing this please?

TY.


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[Mailman-Users] Is there a way to get a list of all list admins?

[Steven Jones]

I am moving mailman off rhel6 to rhel8

Is there a way to extract list admins on the command line  so I can notify them?


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[Mailman-Users] transferring a mailman2 list to a new server

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Just doing some proof of concept by moving a test list to a new server.

Seems to work fine except once in the list web ui everytime I move to a new 
sub-emu I have to keep putting in the password, I have never seen this before, 
what have I missed?


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[Mailman-Users] site wide password does not work mailman2

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

My site password did not work after building/installing so I reset in with 
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass

and it still does not work!

Is there a way to generate it manually? by not using mmsitepass?



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[Mailman-Users] Re: extracting a lists's setting to move the list to a new domain

[Steven Jones]

Thanks


regards

Steven


From: Mark Sapiro 
Sent: Monday, 21 September 2020 10:38 AM
To: mailman-users@python.org 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: extracting a lists's setting to move the list to a 
new domain

On 9/20/20 1:42 PM, Brian Carpenter wrote:
> On 9/20/20 4:35 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
>> I cant find anything on extracting a list's settings, owners etc and
>> then using those to create a new list on a new domain.
>>
>> Is there a simple operational command to extract and inject?


The tool for this is mailman's bin/config_list which can both esport and
import list configuration but not list membership.


> Do you have root or admin access to the server? There are tools in the
> bin directory that allows for such functions via the command line. You
> can retrieve your list roster using the who command via email. Also the
> list/listname/config.pck has all that information but again you need to
> have root access to the server to retrieve that. Here are some
> directions to use the WHO command:


As Brian notes, the email `who` command can be ysed to extract list
membership as can the command line bin/list_members, and either of these
lists can be used as input to bin/add_members or the admin Mass
Subscribe function, but these operations do not preserve user options,
passwords, etc.

The one single way to move everything is to obtain a copy of Mailman's
lists//config.pck file and move it, and maybe also get the
lists archives/private/.mbox/.mbox file and use it
to rebuild the archive.

See 
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All the above assumes the new domain is on a different server. If it is
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[Mailman-Users] extracting a lists's setting to move the list to a new domain

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I cant find anything on extracting a list's settings, owners etc and then using 
those to create a new list on a new domain.

Is there a simple operational command to extract and inject?


regards

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[Mailman-Users] mailman 2 and postfix problem

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I am trying to setup a mailman 2 instance on RHEL8.2 and postfix seems to be 
rejecting the input, not sure if it is a Postfix issue or a Mailman issue.  The 
list aaa-seteven is in the aliases file in /etc/mailman


telnet vuwunicomailmd1.ods.vuw.ac.nz 25
Trying 130.195.14.234...
Connected to vuwunicomailmd1.ods.vuw.ac.nz.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 lists.victoria.ac.nz ESMTP Postfix
ehlo vuwunicossj0002.ods.vuw.ac.nz
250-lists.victoria.ac.nz
250-PIPELINING
250-SIZE 3072
250-VRFY
250-ETRN
250-STARTTLS
250-ENHANCEDSTATUSCODES
250-8BITMIME
250-DSN
250 SMTPUTF8
mail from:ste...@.ac.nz
250 2.1.0 Ok
rcpt to: aaa-ste...@lists.victoria.ac.nz
550 5.1.1 : Recipient address rejected: User 
unknown in local recipient table
quit
221 2.0.0 Bye
Connection closed by foreign host.

any idea please?




regards

Steven



regards

Steven
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[Mailman-Users] Re: mailman v2.x

[Steven Jones]

HI,

I dont know what planet this user lives on,

"> Speaking as _a_ user, my requirements are simple:
>   1.  MM2 must continue to work,
>   2.  support must continue to be provided."

but really?   try telling say Oracle that they MUST continue to support Oracle 
8.0, LOL.

This is open source there is no MUST in support.  If you think you are entitled 
to free support for ever you are using the wrong product(s).  Except as its 
open source unlike Oracle you can continue to look after it yourself.

Meanwhile thankyou Mailman team for the great product and support over 15+ 
years.


regards

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[Mailman-Users] Re: Apache/mailman2 on RHEL8.2

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Problem solving in parallel, and I have another one.

Yes I think it is mostly down to RHat doing things "their way" but their method 
is not documented terribly well, which is usual for them. So I am trying to 
follow Mailman docs which it seems dont totally apply and I seem to be making a 
mess of it. Once there I will have docs for it.

The trouble with using source is then you have to maintain it out of the 
regular OS patching regime which would mean more time and anti-social hours.  
If I use the RH binary it seems to run OK once going, like 15years+.

Yes I know Mailman2 is EOL but with the Virus impact on our budget there is no 
money  and no skills for moving to anything newer/better and 2~3 years should 
see it no longer used/needed.



regards

Steven


From: Stephen J. Turnbull 
Sent: Thursday, 10 September 2020 2:25 AM
To: Steven Jones 
Cc: mailman-users@python.org 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Apache/mailman2 on RHEL8.2

Steven Jones writes:

 > Trying to do a setup,

Did you get the issue with missing mailman-*.timer files sorted, or
are you problem-solving in parallel?

 > I get the default page OK but when I follow the link,
 >
 > "List administrators, you can visit the list admin overview page to
 > find the management interface for your list."
 >
 > I get,
 >
 > Not Found
 >
 > The requested URL /mailman/admin was not found on this server.

I'm guessing that you're using Red Hat packages (or perhaps RPMs from
a 3rd party repository) to install.

Both problems seem to stem from a lack of, or failed, configuration of
Mailman and systems (systemd, Apache) that it interacts with.

My first guess is that Mailman proper and files that interface Mailman
with other packages are split into separate packages, and you need to
install those "interface/configuration" packages as well.  (Although
they should be specified as dependencies for the Mailman package
itself, and automatically installed or at least get a loud warning
that dependencies aren't satisfied.)

The second possibility is that packages were incompletely installed so
that the configuration step did not occur.  If so, it's possible that
your package manager can diagnose this, and try to complete the
installation process.

Again, I would say that checking with the package provider you are
more likely to get help than from Mailman sources, although there are
probably Red Hat users here.

If you don't get help through those channels, it would help if you can
tell us exactly how you installed Mailman, and send us your Mailman,
Apache, and MTA (if nothing else is configured, I bet you're going to
have MTA problems too) configurations.

It's not hard to install Mailman from source.  There's one binary that
needs to be compiled from C source; everything else is Python.
Probably somebody can help with manual configuration of systemd so
that cron jobs get run and Mailman's runners get started automatically
at boot, etc, and many of us can help with manual configuration of
Apache and several other webservers.

The problem for us helping with distro packages is that the distros
tend to have somewhat idiosyncratic file system layouts (they
interpret the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard differently) and manage
automatic configuration of MTAs, webservers, and daemon management
differently.  If you don't use that distro, you're lost trying to help
somebody else.  However, with installation from source, there's a
traditional layout under /usr/local that we all know well.  The main
issue with installation from source is that if you upgrade, you need
to do the installation manually again and may need to tweak
configurations.  But with Mailman 2 basically at EOL, you shouldn't
need to upgrade or tweak (no new features).

We'll do what we can, but that's the situation.

Steve

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[Mailman-Users] Apache/mailman2 on RHEL8.2

[Steven Jones]

Trying to do a setup,

I get the default page OK but when I follow the link,

"List administrators, you can visit the list admin overview page to find the 
management interface for your list."

I get,

Not Found

The requested URL /mailman/admin was not found on this server.



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[Mailman-Users] Trying to setup mailman2.1 and following the docs on RHEL8.2

[Steven Jones]

I get this failure message,

===
[root@vuwunicomailmp1 system]# pwd
/usr/lib/systemd/system
[root@vuwunicomailmp1 system]# for X in mailman-*.timer ; do systemctl enable 
$X && systemctl start $X ; done
Invalid unit name "mailman-*.timer" was escaped as "mailman-\x2a.timer" (maybe 
you should use systemd-escape?)
Failed to enable unit: Unit file mailman-\x2a.timer does not exist.
[root@vuwunicomailmp1 system]#
===

help please.


regards

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [ext] Re: mailman not functional

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Thanks, traced this to using tcp connections to the remote logging server (at 
the insistence of the security manager) rather than udp. So rsyslog on the 
mailman server locked up as the remote server's rsyslog had locked up due to 
overload.  Once I restarted the remote rsyslog daemon the 1800 mail queue 
disappeared so fast I didnt have time to see it go.

Thanks all.


regards

Steven


From: Mailman-Users  
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To: mailman-users@python.org 
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] [ext] Re: mailman not functional

* Steven Jones :
> thanks
>
> I am sort of suspecting postfix as /var/log/maillog is not being written to.

That's bad. So try stopping and starting postfix (after stopping check
with "ps auxwww|fgrep post" to see if there's anything left!!!)

and have a look at /var/log/maillog while doing this.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not functional

[Steven Jones]

thanks

I am sort of suspecting postfix as /var/log/maillog is not being written to.

meanwhile,

/var/log/mailman/smtp has something odd. The time to send email varies between 
0.017 and 180 seconds plus,  and its getting worse,

==
Oct 18 11:26:13 2019 (9398) 
 smtp to 
postgradcoordinators for 1 recips, completed in 0.017 seconds
Oct 18 11:26:26 2019 (9398) 
 smtp to 
postgradcoordinators for 14 recips, completed in 12.419 seconds
Oct 18 11:26:27 2019 (9398) 
 smtp to 
vuw-schooladmin for 14 recips, completed in 0.029 seconds
Oct 18 11:26:27 2019 (9398) n/a smtp to its-alerts for 10 recips, completed in 
0.073 seconds
Oct 18 11:26:27 2019 (9398) 
 smtp to 
postgradcoordinators for 1 recips, completed in 0.019 seconds
Oct 18 11:26:27 2019 (9398) 
 smtp to 
postgradcoordinators for 14 recips, completed in 0.019 seconds
Oct 18 11:26:39 2019 (9398) n/a smtp to its-alerts for 10 recips, completed in 
10.111 seconds
Oct 18 11:26:41 2019 (9398)  

 smtp to fad-design-postgrads for 102 recips, completed in 0.248 seconds
Oct 18 11:26:41 2019 (9398) n/a smtp to its-alerts for 10 recips, completed in 
0.024 seconds
Oct 18 11:26:41 2019 (9398)  

 smtp to fad-design for 56 recips, completed in 0.030 seconds
Oct 18 11:29:45 2019 (9398) 

 smtp to nz-libs for 1844 recips, completed in 184.400 seconds
Oct 18 11:31:31 2019 (9398) 
 smtp to 
teachingandlearning for 1 recips, completed in 103.629 seconds
Oct 18 11:34:22 2019 (9398) n/a smtp to its-alerts for 10 recips, completed in 
169.826 seconds
Oct 18 11:36:26 2019 (9398) n/a smtp to its-alerts for 10 recips, completed in 
123.446 seconds
Oct 18 11:39:33 2019 (9398)  

 smtp to fad-design for 56 recips, completed in 187.700 seconds
8><

==

We are getting mail but very slowly so mailman is working, and item 2.2

[root@vuwunicomailmn1 ~]# ps auxww| grep mailmanctl |grep -v grep
mailman   9390  0.0  0.1 214172  9432 ?Ss   09:32   0:00 
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start

and,

[root@vuwunicomailmn1 ~]# service mailman status
mailman (pid 9390) is running...
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 ~]# service postfix status
master (pid  7688) is running...
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 ~]#

seems to confirm this.

[root@vuwunicomailmn1 ~]# rpm -q mailman
mailman-2.1.12-26.el6_9.3.x86_64


[root@vuwunicomailmn1 ~]# ps auxww | egrep 'p[y]thon'
root  8152  0.0  0.5 598144 46040 ?Sl   09:24   0:05 
/usr/bin/python2.7 /usr/bin/salt-minion -c /etc/salt -d
mailman   9390  0.0  0.1 214172  9432 ?Ss   09:32   0:00 
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl -s -q start
mailman   9393  2.7  2.8 435468 231896 ?   S09:32   3:36 
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s
mailman   9394  0.0  0.2 219840 16204 ?S09:32   0:01 
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=BounceRunner:0:1 -s
mailman   9395  0.0  0.1 216084 12204 ?S09:32   0:00 
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=CommandRunner:0:1 -s
mailman   9396  0.0  0.2 226128 22572 ?S09:32   0:04 
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=IncomingRunner:0:1 -s
mailman   9397  0.0  0.1 216164 12300 ?S09:32   0:00 
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=NewsRunner:0:1 -s
mailman   9398  0.1  0.2 221688 18224 ?S09:32   0:12 
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=OutgoingRunner:0:1 -s
mailman   9399  0.0  0.2 221168 17556 ?S09:32   0:03 
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=VirginRunner:0:1 -s
mailman   9400  0.0  0.1 216068 12200 ?S09:32   0:00 
/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=RetryRunner:0:1 -s
root 20071  0.0  0.2 210860 19864 ?S11:21   0:00 
/usr/bin/python /usr/libexec/rhsmd
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 ~]#

qrunner,

=
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 mailman]# tail qrunner
Oct 18 09:32:13 2019 (9400) RetryRunner qrunner started.
Oct 18 09:32:13 2019 (9395) CommandRunner qrunner started.
Oct 18 09:32:13 2019 (9396) IncomingRunner qrunner started.
Oct 18 09:32:13 2019 (9399) VirginRunner qrunner started.
Oct 18 09:32:13 2019 (9397) NewsRunner qrunner started.
Oct 18 09:32:13 2019 (9394) BounceRunner qrunner started.
Oct 18 09:32:13 2019 (9398) OutgoingRunner qrunner started.
Oct 18 09:32:13 2019 (8205) OutgoingRunner qrunner exiting.
Oct 18 09:32:13 2019 (8172) Master qrunner detected subprocess exit
(pid: 8205, sig: None, sts: 15, class: OutgoingRunner, slice: 1/1)
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 mailman]#
=

and its now 11:50am

Ok to assume the above in the qrunner log is normal?





regards

Steven



From: Mailman-Users  
on behalf of Mark Sapiro 
Sent: Friday, 18 October 2019 10:29 AM
To: mailman-users@python.org 
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not functional

On 10/17/19 1:41 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Yesterday we had a major network outage that lasted 2 hours+  This morning I 
> find that the mailman s

[Mailman-Users] mailman not functional

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Yesterday we had a major network outage that lasted 2 hours+  This morning I 
find that the mailman server has "stopped working"   I have restarted mailman 
and now the server but mailman is not processing any emails.  The load in top 
is 0.00 ~0.01 sort of thing, no no disk i/o, no action at all, disks are not 
full. ssh takes a long time to login but there is no load to cause this. I can 
see python is running in top but at like 0.3%.

I run mail   me@work and postfix sends fast  so postfix seems OK, its like 
Mailman is in a coma, its has chocked to death but its heart is still 
beatingjust seems odd.

What can I do here?




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[Mailman-Users] How long will Mailman version 2 be supported for?

[Steven Jones]

thanks


regards.


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[Mailman-Users] mailman 3 and freeipa

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Hi,


I cant find anything on this so far but can Mailman3's webui use freeipa as the 
authentication mechanism?


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[Mailman-Users] Is there a way to get a list of all lists with the list owner?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] restoring a list

[Steven Jones]

Traced it to the aliases file for postfix, re-added the 8? "links" all works 
fine now


regards

Steven



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To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] restoring a list

<https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmail.python.org%2Fpipermail%2Fmailman-users%2F2009-November%2F067870.htmldata=02%7C01%7Csteven.jones%40vuw.ac.nz%7C25347c878fd747a61eaf08d616ca1bb6%7Ccfe63e236951427e8683bb84dcf1d20c%7C1%7C0%7C636721454697043783sdata=tTFXzxFfmN7Jgvtyv%2FnWfnqxHcY%2FKmNMUbzHzREJOsI%3Dreserved=0>Hi,


I restored a list (after a deletion as per,


https://apac01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmail.python.org%2Fpipermail%2Fmailman-users%2F2009-November%2F067870.htmldata=02%7C01%7Csteven.jones%40vuw.ac.nz%7C25347c878fd747a61eaf08d616ca1bb6%7Ccfe63e236951427e8683bb84dcf1d20c%7C1%7C0%7C636721454697043783sdata=tTFXzxFfmN7Jgvtyv%2FnWfnqxHcY%2FKmNMUbzHzREJOsI%3Dreserved=0


However the list owner says it isnt working, is there anything I am missing?


regards

Steven Jones

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[Mailman-Users] restoring a list

[Steven Jones]

<https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-November/067870.html>Hi,


I restored a list (after a deletion as per,


https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-November/067870.html


However the list owner says it isnt working, is there anything I am missing?


regards

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[Mailman-Users] Can the following be done and as an option contractors available to do it?

[Steven Jones]

Hi We have a requirement to move 301 lists (minus defunct lists) on a RHEL6 
server and want to migrate to RHEL7 and change our domain name at the same time.


Our users email addresses would also need changing from the old domain to the 
new domain.


Moving archives, we would like to move these if possible.


We also want to run on https and use something like failtoban to reduce 
bruteforce attacks we are suffering from.


>From what I can read in theory most of this if not all of it is quite possible 
>to move lists?


and also this other work?


Finally assuming we dont have time or capability to do this in-house where do I 
go hunting for an external contractor who can do this and document the work in 
an "as-built" document.


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[Mailman-Users] Is there a way to determine which lists are defunct?

[Steven Jones]

We have 301 lists on a RHEL6 server and want to migrate to RHEL7 and change our 
domain name at the same time.


So as above,


Is there a way to determine which lists are defunct?



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[Mailman-Users] Brute force attacks on mailman web ui

[Steven Jones]

Hi,


We are currently under brute force attack on our mailman server's web ui.


Is there anything / feature that Mailman has that can be used to watch/monitor 
it?


Sadly I think we'll have to remove it off the Internet.


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[Mailman-Users] Purging old archives over 7 years old

[Steven Jones]

Hi,


I have a 12year old mailman server which is absorbing 650gb of expensive disk 
space. Is there any feature that would go through each list's archives and 
delete emails over say 7 years old?   (or maybe even only 3 as we do a yearly 
backup going back a decade).



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[Mailman-Users] output help please.

[Steven Jones]

[root@vuwunicomailmn1 mailman]# /usr/lib/mailman/bin/sync_members -n -f 
/var/lib/mailman/STUDENT_EMAIL.txt All_Active_Students
Dry run mode
Invalid :
You must fix the preceding invalid addresses first.
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 mailman]#


So a corrupt/bad email address in mailman?  or in the updating file?



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[Mailman-Users] feature request

[Steven Jones]

"Should administrator get notices of subscribes and unsubscribes? "


Would it be possible to split these as our list admins would like to see 
unsubscribes but not subscribes.







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Re: [Mailman-Users] feature request

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

It is an emergency mailing list that only gets used in a major emergency,  
19000 subscribers.  We dont really care who subscribes but we dont want 
"important" ppl un-subscribing and then complaining they didnt get teh 
emergency email down the track.



regards

Steven 

From: Mailman-Users <mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org> 
on behalf of Keith Bierman <khb...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 8 December 2015 10:47 a.m.
To: Mark Sapiro
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] feature request

Probably betrays my ignorance of the OP's needs, but I'd have thought:

1) tracking who joins is more interesting than those leaving
2) client side filtering (including automated discarding) allows the
administrators to save their sanity ...

So I find the described request slightly surprising. Kudos to Mark for not
pushing back on this basis ... but perhaps the OP can provide a little more
context for why this would be a generally GoodThing.

Keith Bierman
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On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:

> On 12/06/2015 06:06 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
> > "Should administrator get notices of subscribes and unsubscribes? "
> >
> >
> > Would it be possible to split these as our list admins would like to see
> unsubscribes but not subscribes.
>
>
> There are no plans to implement such a split in official MM 2.1
> releases, but if you wanted to implement it, it could be simple
> depending on what you wanted to do.
>
> I.e. if you just wanted to modify the code so that admin_notify_mchanges
> meant "unsubscribes only", you could just find the two lines
>
> if admin_notif is None:
> admin_notif = self.admin_notify_mchanges
>
> about 20 lines below the start of the definition of ApprovedAddMember in
> Mailman/MailList.py and delete them.
>
> Actually splitting the switches into admin_notify_subscribes and
> admin_notify_unsubscribes is more complicated and involves changes to
> multiple modules.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] corrupt list file?

[Steven Jones]

Thanks,

Mail seems extremely slow for us right now.

I tried running,

==
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 ~]# /usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms -f

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms", line 395, in 
checkdata()
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms", line 349, in checkdata
mode = statmode(path)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms", line 82, in statmode
return os.stat(path)[ST_MODE]
OSError: [Errno 20] Not a directory: 
'/var/lib/mailman/lists/owners-final/config.pck'
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 ~]# 
===

It could be I have a trashed OS/box after losing the disk?

===
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 ~]# sudo grep -r '/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members' /etc
Binary file /etc/prelink.cache matches
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 ~]# 
===

===
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 ~]# sudo grep -r 'list_members' /etc
Binary file /etc/prelink.cache matches
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 ~]# 
===

===
sudo grep -r 'list_members' /

8><
===

has a lot of output.

regards

Steven 

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on behalf of Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net>
Sent: Friday, 27 November 2015 10:34 a.m.
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] corrupt list file?

On 11/26/2015 11:41 AM, Steven Jones wrote:
> The list was obsolete so I have deleted, and rebooted the server.  The list 
> no longer exists but I am still getting  this alert 1 to several times a 
> minute.


See my prior reply at
<https://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2015-November/080142.html>.


> So what could be calling "/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members 
> isc"   ?


That's a question only you can answer. I would start with

sudo grep -r '/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members' /etc

If that doesn't find it, maybe

sudo grep -r 'list_members' /etc

or

sudo grep -r '/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members' /

or

sudo grep -r 'list_members' /

will.

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[Mailman-Users] corrupt list file?

[Steven Jones]

Hi,


We lost our San and on bringing back our mailman server this alert happens 
every minute,  the filesystems are read/write, but it had gone ro, so I 
rebooted the server, most lists seem to be working fine,


==

abrt_version:   2.0.8
cmdline:/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members isc
event_log:
executable: /usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members
hostname:   vuwunicomailmn1.vuw.ac.nz
kernel: 2.6.32-573.7.1.el6.x86_64
last_occurrence: 1448480447
machineid:  
sosreport_uploader-dmidecode=932d92f15b5e914127493c105c3a0fb10af13399d0e4f82ddc20a6fc387628b8
pkg_arch:   x86_64
pkg_epoch:  3
pkg_name:   mailman
pkg_release:25.el6
pkg_version:2.1.12
time:   Wed 25 Nov 2015 10:00:56 PM NZDT
uid:99
username:   nobody

sosreport.tar.xz: Binary file, 1747868 bytes

backtrace:
:MailList.py:610:__load:IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'/var/lib/mailman/lists/isc/config.pck'
:
:Traceback (most recent call last):
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members", line 286, in 
:main()
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members", line 230, in main
:mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=False)
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__
:self.Load()
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 644, in Load
:dict, e = self.__load(file)
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 610, in __load
:fp = open(dbfile)
:IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/isc/config.pck'
:
:Local variables in innermost frame:
:dbfile: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/isc/config.pck'
:e: IOError(13, 'Permission denied')
:self: 
:loadfunc: 
:mtime: 1448406079.5505853

==


I dont quite understand why I am having this alert "permission denied"  the 
filesystem is rw,


==

[root@vuwunicomailmn1 isc]# touch file
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 isc]# ls -l
total 908
-rw-rw. 1 mailman mailman 459163 Nov 26 08:00 config.pck
-rw-rw. 1 mailman mailman 458617 Nov 26 08:00 config.pck.last
-rw-r--r--. 1 rootmailman  0 Nov 26 08:52 file
-rw-rw. 1 mailman mailman133 Nov 20 10:19 pending.pck
-rw-rw-r--. 1 mailman mailman615 Nov 20 10:19 request.pck
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 isc]#

==


is config.pck corrupt?


regards

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Re: [Mailman-Users] corrupt list file?

[Steven Jones]

The list was obsolete so I have deleted, and rebooted the server.  The list no 
longer exists but I am still getting  this alert 1 to several times a minute.

So what could be calling "/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members 
isc"   ?

regards

Steven



From: Mailman-Users <mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org> 
on behalf of Steven Jones <steven.jo...@vuw.ac.nz>
Sent: Thursday, 26 November 2015 8:54 a.m.
To: Mailman-Users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] corrupt list file?

Hi,


We lost our San and on bringing back our mailman server this alert happens 
every minute,  the filesystems are read/write, but it had gone ro, so I 
rebooted the server, most lists seem to be working fine,




==

abrt_version:   2.0.8
cmdline:/usr/bin/python /usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members isc
event_log:
executable: /usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members
hostname:   vuwunicomailmn1.vuw.ac.nz
kernel: 2.6.32-573.7.1.el6.x86_64
last_occurrence: 1448480447
machineid:  
sosreport_uploader-dmidecode=932d92f15b5e914127493c105c3a0fb10af13399d0e4f82ddc20a6fc387628b8
pkg_arch:   x86_64
pkg_epoch:  3
pkg_name:   mailman
pkg_release:25.el6
pkg_version:2.1.12
time:   Wed 25 Nov 2015 10:00:56 PM NZDT
uid:99
username:   nobody

sosreport.tar.xz: Binary file, 1747868 bytes

backtrace:
:MailList.py:610:__load:IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: 
'/var/lib/mailman/lists/isc/config.pck'
:
:Traceback (most recent call last):
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members", line 286, in 
:main()
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_members", line 230, in main
:mlist = MailList.MailList(listname, lock=False)
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__
:self.Load()
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 644, in Load
:dict, e = self.__load(file)
:  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 610, in __load
:fp = open(dbfile)
:IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/isc/config.pck'
:
:Local variables in innermost frame:
:dbfile: '/var/lib/mailman/lists/isc/config.pck'
:e: IOError(13, 'Permission denied')
:self: 
:loadfunc: 
:mtime: 1448406079.5505853

==


I dont quite understand why I am having this alert "permission denied"  the 
filesystem is rw,


==

[root@vuwunicomailmn1 isc]# touch file
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 isc]# ls -l
total 908
-rw-rw. 1 mailman mailman 459163 Nov 26 08:00 config.pck
-rw-rw. 1 mailman mailman 458617 Nov 26 08:00 config.pck.last
-rw-r--r--. 1 rootmailman  0 Nov 26 08:52 file
-rw-rw. 1 mailman mailman133 Nov 20 10:19 pending.pck
-rw-rw-r--. 1 mailman mailman615 Nov 20 10:19 request.pck
[root@vuwunicomailmn1 isc]#

==


is config.pck corrupt?


regards

Steven

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Re: [Mailman-Users] automating adding and removing subscribers

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

No, this sounds good enough and what I thought of doing as the external 
file/list will be updated once a week which I'll "suck" onto the server.

I just wondered if there was something already written in/for mailman to do 
this.

thanks

regards

Steven


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on behalf of Chris Nulk <cn...@scu.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, 21 October 2015 11:40 a.m.
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] automating adding and removing subscribers

Hello,

It depends on how much work you want to do and how timely the changes
need to be made.  Here is what we have and do...

We have two lists for each group of users.  Both lists are used. One
list is dynamically built using LDAP.  That list is considered the
master list.  Members are not allowed to remove themselves nor change
any options.  The second list is a regular list built using data from
the master list.  Users can removed themselves and change their options.

To automate the adding and removing of subscribers on the second list, we:
1. if .today exists, rename .today to
.yesterday
2. dump the list membership of the masters list to .today
3. diff -i --context=0 .today .yesterday ->
.diff  so that each line of .diff has a '+' before
the address to be added and a '-' before the address to be removed.
4. Split .diff into .add and .remove where
.add has all the '+' addresses (without the '+') and
.remove has the equivalent for address to remove.
5. Use the regular Mailman tools, add_members and remove_members, to add
and remove subscribers to the second list.

We run this process once a day.  When a new user shows up in the master
list, it takes a day to make it to the second list. Acceptable for us.
Run more often if you need faster updates to the second list.

The master list doesn't have to be a list.  It can be a list of address
from a database, LDAP, or anything else.  All the processing to the
master list information can be done on another system or the same
system.  Only send the .add and .remove files to the
Mailman system for final processing.

The process works for us.  Diff occasionally glitches on closely matched
names but a follow on process run weekly fixes the problem.

Good Luck,
Chris

On 10/20/2015 2:42 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is there a way to automate the adding and removing subscribers from another 
> system? such that the list is kept concurrent?
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[Mailman-Users] automating adding and removing subscribers

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Is there a way to automate the adding and removing subscribers from another 
system? such that the list is kept concurrent?



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[Mailman-Users] beefing up mailman's web security

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Our mailman web gui is under constant distributed bruteforce attack.  We would 
like to add something like,

https://www.phpcaptcha.org/

to it, is this possible?

or are there any other ideas?

regards

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Advantages

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

We use mailman for a very diverse set of people and needs, some few hundred 
mailing lists.  

I would suggest the terror they feel is on something new to get over with, 
good luck!

regards

Steven 


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To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Advantages

I have been a long-time user of mailman and have been on many mailing lists.

I am also part of a professional association of social workers that
operate in my area. They have been using a list of addresses in a Cc
field to manage their mailing list. I can't imagine anything more
fraught with problems than that, but I can't convince these people to
let me host a mailman mailing list for them.

I can think of a lot of advantages myself, but I'm wondering if anyone
has seen a good list somewhere. I'm a strange combination of software
engineer and social worker, so I understand both worlds. My social
worker colleagues tend to think of something like a mailing list as
complicating things rather than simplifying them.

I'm not necessarily asking for a discussion here, but I'd like some
feedback on this.

Viva Mailman!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman init script doesn't work and webpage doesn't show list of lists

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Have a look at the paths. I think RH installs things non-mailman style so maybe 
some files are in the wrong place for the rpm.
I upgraded from mailman on RHEL3 to RHEL 6 and had these sort of issues.

regards

Steven Jones

Technical Specialist - Linux RHCE

Victoria University ITS,

Level 8 Rankin Brown Building,

Wellington, NZ

6012

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Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2014 9:10 a.m.
To: Mailman-Users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mailman init script doesn't work and webpage   doesn't 
show list of lists

I am upgrading a list server from an old Fedora system to a RHEL 6.5 server
and migration of mailman isn't going well. Mailman (on both systems) is
installed with the RH provided RPM (mailman-2.1.12-18.el6.x86_64)

The first issue on the new server is that the mailman init script does not
function, fails with this message Starting mailman: Site list is missing:
mailman. I can manually run `bin/mailmanctl start` and the service seems
to start. Once the service is started I can get to the admin page and list
overview page but the page indicates that there are no publicly advertised
lists, even though all of the lists indicate advertised = 1 in the dumpdb.


Here are some steps I've taken:

moved data/archive and mailman configs and Apache configs from old server
to new
updated URL's ./withlist -l -r fix_url list_name --urlhost=host2.domain.com
Checked all settings in Default.py and mm_cfg.py
updated /etc/aliases
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/check_perms -f
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/list_lists (displays the lists I migrated from the old
server)
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/dumpdb /var/lib/mailman/lists/list_name/config.pck
~/list_name
/usr/lib/mailman/bin/config_list -o list_name-conf (compared to old server
and everything looks in order)

If I create a newlist from the command line it is able to create the list
and sends me an email, but I am unable to create lists from the web
interface.

Any ideas?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Populating mailman lists out of AD or LDAP.

[Steven Jones]

Thanks, I see there is a comment #10 on possible problems with 3000 users?, we 
want to do 2+.

Is that possible?

regards

Steven 

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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Populating mailman lists out of AD or LDAP.

On 02/02/2014 12:18 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
 Hi,

 I want to populate a specific mailman list with users from AD (if possible) 
 or IPA/LDAP that have a specific attribute in AD.

 Is this possible? I can see lots of old comments dated 2004 from googling but 
 nothing newer so far.


Assuming you mean you want Mailman to maintain the list membership
dynamically from the database and not simply do periodic extraction of a
user list from the database to use with a tool like sync_members, there
is an LDAP member adaptor for Mailman at
https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/558106. Read the entire
comment thread to see all versions.

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[Mailman-Users] Populating mailman lists out of AD or LDAP.

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I want to populate a specific mailman list with users from AD (if possible) or 
IPA/LDAP that have a specific attribute in AD.

Is this possible? I can see lots of old comments dated 2004 from googling but 
nothing newer so far.

regards

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Re: [Mailman-Users] I did not submit a request to unsubscribe from mailman-users

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

We are certainly seeing a lot of subscription attempts in the last 2weeks, as 
if mailman lists are being actively targeted.  Some lists have over 400 
subscription attempts outstanding.

:/

regards

Steven Jones

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Victoria University, Wellington, NZ

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To: Kalbfleisch, Gary; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] I did not submit a request to unsubscribe from 
mailman-users

Kalbfleisch, Gary wrote:

I received three unsubscribe confirmations over night.  I did not initiate
these. The source IP's resolve to India and Sri Lanka.  Is it just me or is
 this happening to other subscribers?


I get them all the time. More often they originate from email (probably
spam sent to mailman-users-unsubscribe or mailman-users-leave and
spoofing me in the From:). Only web initiated unsubscribes have a
source IP in the confirmation.

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[Mailman-Users] recording mailman list changes.

[Steven Jones]

Hi

Does mailman record who and when settings were changed for a list?

regards

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[Mailman-Users] Mail delays

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I am trying to figure out a delay to a posting with moderation set.

It looks like postfix received the list post at 11am, 17th September it was 
transferred into mailman then and there.  However the list has moderation on so 
the moderators were emailed but at 8am the next day 18th...this seems 
strange21 hour delay.

Any ideas what to look at?

thanks

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mail delays

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I have checked in /var/log/s/mailman/* and the post and smtp logs say they got 
the post at 8:00 while the postfix log says it was sent to mailman at 11am the 
day before?

confused..

regards

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Victoria University, Wellington, NZ

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on behalf of Steven Jones [steven.jo...@vuw.ac.nz]
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To: Mailman-Users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Mail delays

Hi,

I am trying to figure out a delay to a posting with moderation set.

It looks like postfix received the list post at 11am, 17th September it was 
transferred into mailman then and there.  However the list has moderation on so 
the moderators were emailed but at 8am the next day 18th...this seems 
strange21 hour delay.

Any ideas what to look at?

thanks

regards

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Resetting bounce scores globally

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Is there a way to scan my 440 lists and look for lists with no subscribers?  it 
seems my localhost ipv6 problem has caused at least one list to be emptied of 
all subscribers by the bounce processing.so I have had to re-populate it.

After that is there a way to extract all the subscribers off the old lists 
server and inject them back into the new lists on the new lists server?

regards

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From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Thursday, 18 August 2011 4:55 p.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Resetting bounce scores globally

Steven Jones wrote:

Is there a way to reset all ppls bounces in all lists?

Ive tried withlist -a -r reset_bounce

but no joy


Did you first download and install per its docstring
http://www.msapiro.net/scripts/reset_bounce.py (mirrored at
http://fog.ccsf.cc.ca.us/~msapiro/scripts/reset_bounce.py)?

If not, do so. If so, what specifically was the result from

  withlist -a -r reset_bounce

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for lists with no members. Repopulsting lists. was: Resetting bounce scores globally

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Because its related to the same event

config.pck, because I didnt know that..

I think sometimes developers/coders dont realise lesser mortals cant code to 
their standards, and in my case virtually not at all...

regards

Steven Jones



From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 12:40 p.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for lists with no members. Repopulsting 
lists. was: Resetting bounce scores globally

Steven Jones wrote:

Is there a way to scan my 440 lists and look for lists with no subscribers?  
it seems my localhost ipv6 problem has caused at least one list to be emptied 
of all subscribers by the bounce processing.so I have had to re-populate 
it.


I don't know why this is a reply to my reply in the Resetting bounce
scores globally thread, and did you resolve that?

Anyway, there are various ways you could accomplish this. You could
create a shell script along the lines of

#!/bin/sh
for list in `bin/list_lists --bare`
do if ! (bin/list_members $list | grep @  /dev/null); then
  echo $list: no members
  fi
done

Or you could create a withlist script like

def find_empty(mlist):
if len(mlist.getMembers()) == 0:
print %s has no members % mlist.real_name

save it as bin/find_empty.py and run

bin/withlist -a -r find_empty


After that is there a way to extract all the subscribers off the old lists 
server and inject them back into the new lists on the new lists server?


Why not just copy the lists/LISTNAME/config.pck from the old server to
the new. Or if for some reason you don't want to do that, you could
copy it to lists/dummy_list/config.pck on the new server and then run

  bin/list_members dummy_list

with the desired list_members options.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for lists with no members. Repopulstinglists. was: Resetting bounce scores globally

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

But you still haven't said if you still have a problem with
reset_bounce or what the resolution was. 

I had  read this from googling but I didnt understand what it actually meant 
and the stuff I found was 2007 etc and seemed to conflict with newerhadnt 
sussed it out.

Ive had several level1s this morning so ive not progressed this as yet, however 
only one list has complained and another one lost its members so i had to fix 
that first the rest seem OKbut I need to do a health check somehow...

Moving lists, yes I followed how to move a list, took your docs and made it 
almost me proof but didnt take on / notice the components and what they do

Coding for me is like looking at say french, I dont understand a word of 
it...its a blind spot of minein some ways that's good as I'd be asked to 
code all day if I couldand I hate doing it.

regards

Steven Jones




From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, 19 August 2011 1:18 p.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Looking for lists with no members. 
Repopulstinglists. was: Resetting bounce scores globally

Steven Jones wrote:

Because its related to the same event


But you still haven't said if you still have a problem with
reset_bounce or what the resolution was.


config.pck, because I didnt know that..


Sorry. The process of moving lists between servers has been discussed
many times on this list and in the FAQ. I assumed you might have seen
some of that.


I think sometimes developers/coders dont realise lesser mortals cant code to 
their standards, and in my case virtually not at all...


I'm sure that sometimes that's true of me, but if you look at my posts
in the archives of this list, I think you'll find that I usually bend
over backwords to explain things patiently, clearly and understandably.

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[Mailman-Users] Resetting bounce scores globally

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Is there a way to reset all ppls bounces in all lists?  

Ive tried withlist -a -r reset_bounce

but no joy

regards

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[Mailman-Users] mailman talking on ipv6 loopback

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I just upgrade Mailman but for some reason it seems to be talking to postfix on 
::1 and postfix does a relay denyFor mailman is this normal?  Or do I have 
a misconfiguration?

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[Mailman-Users] Is there a Command to extract the lists owners?

[Steven Jones]

I need to email each list owner to let them know the server will be off line 
while I upgrade it, so I need their email addresses.

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[Mailman-Users] Injecting old lists into a new mailman aliases setup

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I have followed 
http://wiki.list.org/display/DOC/How+do+I+move+a+list+to+a+different+server-Mailman+installation.

and got to,

withlist -l -r fix_url listname

but I find that afetr running that the lists info has not been put into in 
/etc/mailman/aliases  file (Redhat default location) so obviously I cant send 
to the lists

Also is there a way to tell mailman to look into ~lists and do them all at once?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Continued problems with Mailman on RHEL6.1

[Steven Jones]

8-

This list is not the appropriate place for your RedHat packaging issues.

8---

I can appreciate this, but Im trying to determine what is going wrong so I can 
be sure in taking it to RH they have stuffed up.

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[Mailman-Users] Continued problems with Mailman on RHEL6.1

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I am trying to create a new list via the mailman web  interface, it appears to 
create a list but inbound emails to the list(s) are failing saying, user 
unknown in local recipient table.

I am assuming that the web interface should add the list controls to the 
/etc/aliases file? it looks like it isnt... Either that or I suspect its meant 
to add to a file in /etc/mailman/aliases? and re-generate a 
/etc/mailman/aliases.db? and the above path should be in main.cf? so its found?

However mailman is meant to work, it obviously isntor do I have it wrong?

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[Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

[Steven Jones]

I just tried to set a list creators password...

so doing a,

[root@vuwunicmailmnt1 conf.d]# /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass --help
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass, line 105, in module
main()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass, line 77, in main
usage(0)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass, line 57, in usage
print  fd, _(__doc__)
NameError: global name '_' is not defined

Some quick googling shows nothing.

[root@vuwunicmailmnt1 conf.d]# rpm -q mailman
mailman-2.1.12-14.el6_0.2.x86_64
[root@vuwunicmailmnt1 conf.d]# rpm -q python
python-2.6.6-20.el6.x86_64

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

[Steven Jones]

Hi

Why would it be missing stuff?

How do I determine this and then go kick redhat?

regards



From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2011 9:50 a.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

Steven Jones wrote:

[root@vuwunicmailmnt1 conf.d]# /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass --help
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass, line 105, in module
main()
  File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass, line 77, in main
usage(0)
  File /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mmsitepass, line 57, in usage
print  fd, _(__doc__)
NameError: global name '_' is not defined


The standard distributed GNU Mailman mmsitepass contains the following
lines immediately after the copyright notice and the documentation:

import sys
import getpass
import getopt

import paths
from Mailman import Utils
from Mailman.i18n import _

Yours is apparently missing the last of these and who knows what else.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

[Steven Jones]

Thanks

regards

From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:13 a.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

On 6/7/2011 2:57 PM, Steven Jones wrote:

 Why would it be missing stuff?


Because somebody screwed up?


 How do I determine this and then go kick redhat?


Download mmsitepass from
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/bin/mmsitepass
and compare (diff) it to yours. The only difference should be the first
line. Any other differences are either a RedHat patch, a packaging error
or something that happened on your site.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

[Steven Jones]

Well here is the red hat one.

===
#! @PYTHON@
#
# Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000,2001,2002 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
# 
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
# 
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software 
# Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301, USA.

Set the site password, prompting from the terminal.

The site password can be used in most if not all places that the list
administrator's password can be used, which in turn can be used in most places
that a list users password can be used.

Usage: %(PROGRAM)s [options] [password]

Options:

-c/--listcreator
Set the list creator password instead of the site password.  The list
creator is authorized to create and remove lists, but does not have
the total power of the site administrator.

-h/--help
Print this help message and exit.

If password is not given on the command line, it will be prompted for.


import sys
import getpass
import getopt

import paths
from Mailman import Utils
from Mailman.i18n import _

PROGRAM = sys.argv[0]


^L
def usage(code, msg=''):
if code:
fd = sys.stderr
else:
fd = sys.stdout
print  fd, _(__doc__)
if msg:
print  fd, msg
sys.exit(code)


^L
def main():
try:
opts, args = getopt.getopt(sys.argv[1:], 'ch',
   ['listcreator', 'help'])
except getopt.error, msg:
usage(1, msg)

# Defaults
siteadmin = 1
pwdesc = _('site')

for opt, arg in opts:
if opt in ('-h', '--help'):
usage(0)
elif opt in ('-c', '--listcreator'):
siteadmin = 0
pwdesc = _('list creator')

if len(args) == 1:
pw1 = args[0]
else:
try:
pw1 = getpass.getpass(_('New %(pwdesc)s password: '))
pw2 = getpass.getpass(_('Again to confirm password: '))
if pw1  pw2:
print _('Passwords do not match; no changes made.')
sys.exit(1)
except KeyboardInterrupt:
print _('Interrupted...')
sys.exit(0)
# Set the site password by writing it to a local file.  Make sure the
# permissions don't allow other+read.
Utils.set_global_password(pw1, siteadmin)
if Utils.check_global_password(pw1, siteadmin):
print _('Password changed.')
else:
print _('Password change failed.')


^L
if __name__ == '__main__':
main()

===

It has differences but I have no idea if these matter.

regards




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[mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org] on behalf of Steven 
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Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:59 a.m.
To: Mark Sapiro
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

Thanks

regards

From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2011 10:13 a.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

On 6/7/2011 2:57 PM, Steven Jones wrote:

 Why would it be missing stuff?


Because somebody screwed up?


 How do I determine this and then go kick redhat?


Download mmsitepass from
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/bin/mmsitepass
and compare (diff) it to yours. The only difference should be the first
line. Any other differences are either a RedHat patch, a packaging error
or something that happened on your site.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

[Steven Jones]

hi,

Oops sorry think i copied the wrong one!

==
#! /usr/bin/python
#
# Copyright (C) 1998,1999,2000,2001,2002 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
# 
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
# 
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software 
# Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301, USA.

Set the site password, prompting from the terminal.

The site password can be used in most if not all places that the list
administrator's password can be used, which in turn can be used in most places
that a list users password can be used.

Usage: %(PROGRAM)s [options] [password]

Options:

-c/--listcreator
Set the list creator password instead of the site password.  The list
creator is authorized to create and remove lists, but does not have
the total power of the site administrator.

-h/--help
Print this help message and exit.

If password is not given on the command line, it will be prompted for.


import sys
import getpass
import getopt

import paths
from Mailman import Utils
from Mailman.i18n import C_

PROGRAM = sys.argv[0]
^L
def usage(code, msg=''):
if code:
fd = sys.stderr
else:
fd = sys.stdout
print  fd, _(__doc__)
if msg:
print  fd, msg
sys.exit(code)


^L
def main():
try:
opts, args = getopt.getopt(sys.argv[1:], 'ch',
   ['listcreator', 'help'])
except getopt.error, msg:
usage(1, msg)

# Defaults
siteadmin = 1
pwdesc = C_('site')

for opt, arg in opts:
if opt in ('-h', '--help'):
usage(0)
elif opt in ('-c', '--listcreator'):
siteadmin = 0
pwdesc = C_('list creator')

if len(args) == 1:
pw1 = args[0]
else:
try:
pw1 = getpass.getpass(C_('New %(pwdesc)s password: '))
pw2 = getpass.getpass(C_('Again to confirm password: '))
if pw1  pw2:
print C_('Passwords do not match; no changes made.')
sys.exit(1)
except KeyboardInterrupt:
print C_('Interrupted...')
sys.exit(0)
   # Set the site password by writing it to a local file.  Make sure the
# permissions don't allow other+read.
Utils.set_global_password(pw1, siteadmin)
if Utils.check_global_password(pw1, siteadmin):
print C_('Password changed.')
else:
print C_('Password change failed.')


^L
if __name__ == '__main__':
main()
===

regards



From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2011 12:35 p.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

On 6/7/2011 4:22 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
 Well here is the red hat one.


Are you sure? It appears identical to the one at
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mailman-coders/mailman/2.1/view/head:/bin/mmsitepass.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

thankyou for your time.

regards

Steven

From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 8 June 2011 2:53 p.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman NameError: global name '_' is not defined

On 6/7/2011 6:35 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
 hi,

 Oops sorry think i copied the wrong one!


OK. See comments inline.


[...]
 import sys
 import getpass
 import getopt

 import paths
 from Mailman import Utils
 from Mailman.i18n import C_


It appears that Red Hat has implemented a  Mailman.i18n.C_ function that
is not in standard GNU Mailman and are using it here instead of the
standard Mailman.i18n._ function.

I can guess that C_ is intended to be 'command _', i.e. a replacement
for the standard i18n._() to be used in command line programs, but that
is only a guess, and I have no idea why they would do this.


 PROGRAM = sys.argv[0]
 ^L
 def usage(code, msg=''):
 if code:
 fd = sys.stderr
 else:
 fd = sys.stdout
 print  fd, _(__doc__)


However, in changing the references from _() to C_(), the line above was
overlooked. You can fix your issue by changing the single line above from

print  fd, _(__doc__)

to

print  fd, C_(__doc__)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

[Steven Jones]

So the file is there.how to I get it to find it again?

Also I suspect its the same with all the lists.

regards

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Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 2:34 a.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

On 6/1/11 10:23 PM, Steven Jones wrote:

 Starting mailman: Site list is missing: mailman


mailmanctl can't find the file /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

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Fixed the first one.tried restarting, same message.did the second with 
-f which fixed ownerships (I have a case into Red Hat on this...
but it still wont start.

PREFIX  = /usr/lib/mailman

VAR_PREFIX = /var/lib/mailman

I think these are correct

regards



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Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 8:54 a.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

On 6/2/2011 12:55 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
 So the file is there.how to I get it to find it again?

 Also I suspect its the same with all the lists.

Probably it is all lists.

The first thing mailmanctl does is set its user and group to those of
Mailman. So there are two possibilities. Either 'mailman' doesn't have
sufficient access to even 'see' /var/lib/mailman/lists/*/config.pck.

The permissions and ownership on /var/lib/mailman should be

drwxrwsr-x   mailman mailman

check that, and if that doesn't solve your issue, run Mailman's
bin/check_perms -f as root.

If that still doesn't solve it, look at Mailman/Defaults.py for the
definition of PREFIX and VAR_PREFIX to ensure they are what you think
they are.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

[Steven Jones]

To add mailman will not start, still.

regards

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[mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org] on behalf of Steven 
Jones [steven.jo...@vuw.ac.nz]
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 10:58 a.m.
To: Mark Sapiro
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

Fixed the first one.tried restarting, same message.did the second with 
-f which fixed ownerships (I have a case into Red Hat on this...
but it still wont start.

PREFIX  = /usr/lib/mailman

VAR_PREFIX = /var/lib/mailman

I think these are correct

regards



From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 8:54 a.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

On 6/2/2011 12:55 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
 So the file is there.how to I get it to find it again?

 Also I suspect its the same with all the lists.

Probably it is all lists.

The first thing mailmanctl does is set its user and group to those of
Mailman. So there are two possibilities. Either 'mailman' doesn't have
sufficient access to even 'see' /var/lib/mailman/lists/*/config.pck.

The permissions and ownership on /var/lib/mailman should be

drwxrwsr-x   mailman mailman

check that, and if that doesn't solve your issue, run Mailman's
bin/check_perms -f as root.

If that still doesn't solve it, look at Mailman/Defaults.py for the
definition of PREFIX and VAR_PREFIX to ensure they are what you think
they are.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

[Steven Jones]

-rw-rw. 1 mailman mailman   3902 Jun  2 12:00  
/var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck

From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 11:12 a.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

On 6/2/2011 3:58 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
 Fixed the first one.tried restarting, same message.did the second 
 with -f which fixed ownerships (I have a case into Red Hat on this...
 but it still wont start.

 PREFIX  = /usr/lib/mailman

 VAR_PREFIX = /var/lib/mailman

 I think these are correct


What does

sudo -u mailman ls -l /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck

do?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Service mailman restart

Here is the startup script,

=
#!/bin/sh
#
# mailmanThis shell script starts and stops GNU Mailman.
#
# Copyright (C) 2001-2003 by the Free Software Foundation, Inc.
#
# This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or
# modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License
# as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2
# of the License, or (at your option) any later version.
#
# This program is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
# but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
# MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE.  See the
# GNU General Public License for more details.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
# Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301, USA.
#
# Copy this file to /etc/init.d/ (or /etc/rc.d/init.d/ depending on
# your system) and activate it as such:
#
# On Debian, type update-rc.d mailman defaults
# On RedHat, and derivatives, install with chkconfig --add mailman
#
# chkconfig: - 98 12
# description: Mailman is the GNU Mailing List Manager, a program that \
#  manages electronic mail discussion groups.  For more \
#  on GNU Mailman see http://www.list.org
# processname: mailmanctl
# config: /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py
# pidfile: /var/run/mailman/master-qrunner.pid
### BEGIN INIT INFO
# Provides: mailman
# Required-Start: $local_fs $remote_fs $network $named
# Should-Start: httpd
# Required-Stop: $local_fs $remote_fs $network
# Default-Stop: 0 1 3 4 5 6
# Short-Description: start and stop Mailman
# Description: Mailman is the GNU mailing list manager.
### END INIT INFO

MAILMANHOME=/usr/lib/mailman
MAILMANCTL=$MAILMANHOME/bin/mailmanctl

# We used to install the mailman cron jobs when the mailman rpm was
# installed, irrespective of whether mailman was actually being
# run. Although the cron jobs didn't create any problems if someone
# wasn't running mailman some users complained about the cron log file
# filling up, resource usage, and power consumption since systems
# wouldn't really idle. It really only makes sense to run the mailman
# cron jobs if the mailman service is turned on and not just merely
# having the rpm installed. This init.d script is an obvious place to
# install or remove the cron jobs based on the service being enabled
# or not.

SRC_CRON_SCRIPT=$MAILMANHOME/cron/crontab.in
DST_CRON_SCRIPT=/etc/cron.d/mailman

function InstallCron()
{
install -m644 -o root -g root $SRC_CRON_SCRIPT $DST_CRON_SCRIPT
}

function RemoveCron()
{
cat  $DST_CRON_SCRIPT EOF
# DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE!
#
# Contents of this file managed by /etc/init.d/mailman
# Master copy is /usr/lib/mailman/cron/crontab.in
# Consult that file for documentation
EOF
}

# Source function library.
. /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions

RETVAL=0
prog=mailman

function start()
{
echo -n $Starting $prog: 
mailman-update-cfg
daemon $MAILMANCTL -s -q start
RETVAL=$?
if [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ]
then
touch /var/lock/subsys/$prog
InstallCron
else
RETVAL=6
fi
echo
return $RETVAL
}

function stop()
{
if [ -f /var/lock/subsys/$prog ]
then
echo -n $Shutting down $prog: 
mailman-update-cfg
daemon $MAILMANCTL -q stop
RETVAL=$?
if [ $RETVAL -eq 0 ]
then
rm -f /var/lock/subsys/$prog
RemoveCron
fi
echo
else
echo $$prog already stopped.
RETVAL=0
fi
return $RETVAL
}

function restart()
{
stop
start
RETVAL=$?
return $RETVAL
}

case $1 in
'start')
start
RETVAL=$?
;;

'stop')
stop
RETVAL=$?
;;

'restart'|'force-reload')
restart
RETVAL=$?
;;

'condrestart'|'try-restart')
$MAILMANCTL -q -u status
retval=$?
if [ $retval -eq 0 ]
then
restart
   RETVAL=$?
fi
;;

'status')
output=$($MAILMANCTL -u status)
RETVAL=$?
if [ $RETVAL -eq 3 -a -f /var/lock/subsys/$prog ]
then
echo $$prog dead but subsys locked
RETVAL=2
else
echo $output
fi
;;

*)
echo $Usage: $prog 
{start|stop|restart|force-reload|condrestart|try-restart|status}
RETVAL=2
;;

esac
exit $RETVAL
=

regards











From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 12:03 p.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

On 6/2/2011 4:54 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
 -rw-rw. 1 mailman mailman   3902 Jun  2 12:00  
 /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck

So it looks like the 'mailman' user can access the config.pck.

So, how are you starting Mailman. Are you running

 /var/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl start

Or something like

 service mailman start

If the latter, what does the /etc

Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

[Steven Jones]

Yes, the lists themselves are under /var.the mailman binaries are under /usr

regards

From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 1:08 p.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

On 6/2/2011 6:03 PM, Steven Jones wrote:

 Here is the startup script,
[...]

 MAILMANHOME=/usr/lib/mailman
 MAILMANCTL=$MAILMANHOME/bin/mailmanctl


ASo your script is starting /usr/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl rather than
/var/lib/mailman/bin/mailmanctl.

Presumably the insatllation in /usr/lib/mailman has no lists.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

[Steven Jones]

true and false things, 0's 1's etc

send_welcome_msg : True,

etc

so yes its looks like attributes.

regards



From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 2:54 p.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

On 6/2/11 6:44 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
 Yes, the lists themselves are under /var.the mailman binaries are under 
 /usr


OK. What does

/usr/lib/mailman/bin/dumpdb /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck

return. Does it dump a bunch of data that looks like the attributes of a
list or something else?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

[Steven Jones]

I have a nasty feeling about selinux

will check

regards

From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 2:54 p.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

On 6/2/11 6:44 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
 Yes, the lists themselves are under /var.the mailman binaries are under 
 /usr


OK. What does

/usr/lib/mailman/bin/dumpdb /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck

return. Does it dump a bunch of data that looks like the attributes of a
list or something else?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

[Steven Jones]

Looks like it was selinuxi set it to permissive, rebooted and mailman 
appears to be up...

:/

regards

From: mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org 
[mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org] on behalf of Steven 
Jones [steven.jo...@vuw.ac.nz]
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 3:04 p.m.
To: Mark Sapiro
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

I have a nasty feeling about selinux

will check

regards

From: Mark Sapiro [m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Friday, 3 June 2011 2:54 p.m.
To: Steven Jones
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

On 6/2/11 6:44 PM, Steven Jones wrote:
 Yes, the lists themselves are under /var.the mailman binaries are under 
 /usr


OK. What does

/usr/lib/mailman/bin/dumpdb /var/lib/mailman/lists/mailman/config.pck

return. Does it dump a bunch of data that looks like the attributes of a
list or something else?

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[Mailman-Users] error on attempting t start mailman

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I ran out of disk space so I added 400gb to /var/lib/mailman2 and moved the 
archives with,

cd /var/lib/mailman ; tar cf - . |(cd  /var/lib/mailman2 tar xf -)

So permissions should have stayed OKthen I did,

unmount ~mailman2 and mounted it as ~mailman, permissions look right but I seem 
to be getting this error now,


Starting mailman: Site list is missing: mailman

doh?

any ideas?

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[Mailman-Users] migrating lists off an old RHEl3 server to RHEL6.1

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Can I just move the aliases file and the various lists directories and archive 
off the old server and more them to the correct place on the new server restart 
mailman and it will work?

Or is there other work to do

regards

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[Mailman-Users] Upgrading and converting mailman to postfix

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I have to upgrade a old mailman setup on RHEl3 and sendmail to RHEL6 which 
comes with postfix by default...

So,  

a) Docs or how easy is it to straight migrate from RHEL3 (2.1.5) to RHEL6  
(2.1.12) ?

b) How easy is it to convert a sendmail setup with /etc/aliases to postfix?  
any automated scripts?

regards

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[Mailman-Users] Sendmail - Aliases

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Is there any reason why there is no gui in Mailman to add the lines needed to 
aliases fro sendmail?

regards

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail - Aliases

[Steven Jones]

uh no, Its done per list when you create the list, so that's lots of command 
line additions, if I had a gui to do it I could allocate the work to the 
helpdesk and not a linux admin.

regards

Steven

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From: mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org 
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org] On Behalf Of 
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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Sendmail - Aliases

* Steven Jones steven.jo...@vuw.ac.nz:
 Hi,
 
 Is there any reason why there is no gui in Mailman to add the lines needed to 
 aliases fro sendmail?

That's something done ONCE at install time...

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Yesterday after 5 years of operation ou mailman application has died it seems 
to be barely running taking 3 or more hours to process lists...previous load 
was 0.2 now its around 1 with a python process absorbing 1 CPU constantly.

We are running on RHEL3-32bit and the errors are,



Error log for Mailman (vuwunicosmtp004.vuw.ac.nz:/var/log/mailman/error)

says:



RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded



Feb 17 07:48:26 2010 (13368) SHUNTING: 
1266281245.229378+bd3f1d42e27ad38cf532b809460a0b0a8aef00e7



The last number is a message ID in Mailman queue

/var/mailman/qfiles/shunt/1266281245.229378+bd3f1d42e27ad38cf532b809460a0b0a8aef00e7.pck


We have a similar case via googling suggesting a DNS issue, however we have 
spent some hours checking DNS as well as the server and cant find any obvious 
fault.



http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2008-November/064166.html

Any ideas please?

Steven

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Is there a way forward? I have to hand this on as I have to fix something 
else...will come back to it in about 4 hours from now

regards

Steven

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From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2010 3:56 a.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

Steven Jones wrote:

Yesterday after 5 years of operation ou mailman application has died it 
seems to be barely running taking 3 or more hours to process lists...previous 
load was 0.2 now its around 1 with a python process absorbing 1 CPU 
constantly.


Which python process - i.e.which qrunner.


how do I identify such a qrunner?


Also look in Mailmans qfiles/* directories to see which one has a large
number of messages.

==
its empty,

[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 mailman]# cd /var/spool/mailman/
[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 mailman]# ls -al
total 12
drwxr-xr-x3 root root 4096 Sep  6  2005 .
drwxr-xr-x   16 root root 4096 Feb 17 15:12 ..
drwxrwsr-x2 root mailman  4096 Mar 22  2007 qfiles
[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 mailman]# cd qfiles/
[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 qfiles]# ls -al
total 8
drwxrwsr-x2 root mailman  4096 Mar 22  2007 .
drwxr-xr-x3 root root 4096 Sep  6  2005 ..
[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 qfiles]# ls -al
total 8
drwxrwsr-x2 root mailman  4096 Mar 22  2007 .
drwxr-xr-x3 root root 4096 Sep  6  2005 ..
[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 qfiles]#

==

We are running on RHEL3-32bit and the errors are,



Error log for Mailman (vuwunicosmtp004.vuw.ac.nz:/var/log/mailman/error)

says:



RuntimeError: maximum recursion depth exceeded



Feb 17 07:48:26 2010 (13368) SHUNTING: 
1266281245.229378+bd3f1d42e27ad38cf532b809460a0b0a8aef00e7



The last number is a message ID in Mailman queue

/var/mailman/qfiles/shunt/1266281245.229378+bd3f1d42e27ad38cf532b809460a0b0a8aef00e7.pck



How many of these are there?


seems a lot.

The error log is significantly bigger because of them,

[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 mailman]# pwd
/var/log/mailman
[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 mailman]# ls -l
total 81400
8-
-rw-rw-r--1 root mailman  79321195 Feb 18 08:05 error
-rw-rw-r--1 root mailman  6997 Feb 13 16:42 error.1
-rw-rw-r--1 root mailman 11798 Feb  7 04:02 error.2
-rw-rw-r--1 root mailman  7142 Jan 31 03:19 error.3
-rw-rw-r--1 root mailman  3313 Jan 24 01:54 error.4
8-



This may be unrelated. Is there a
traceback with the above error? What is it?

===
this?
===
File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 283, in _deepcopy_inst
state = deepcopy(state, memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 246, in _deepcopy_dict
y[deepcopy(key, memo)] = deepcopy(x[key], memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 219, in _deepcopy_list
y.append(deepcopy(a, memo))
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 283, in _deepcopy_inst
state = deepcopy(state, memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 246, in _deepcopy_dict
y[deepcopy(key, memo)] = deepcopy(x[key], memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 219, in _deepcopy_list
y.append(deepcopy(a, memo))
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 283, in _deepcopy_inst
state = deepcopy(state, memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 246, in _deepcopy_dict
y[deepcopy(key, memo)] = deepcopy(x[key], memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 219, in _deepcopy_list
y.append(deepcopy(a, memo))
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 283, in _deepcopy_inst
state = deepcopy(state, memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 246, in _deepcopy_dict
y[deepcopy(key, memo)] = deepcopy(x[key], memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 219, in _deepcopy_list

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

[Steven Jones]

8---


Yes, that. Something is really hosed. 

===
LOL..
===


Have you tried just restarting
Mailman?

=
Yes and a reboot.no difference...
=

What's at the start of that traceback leading up to the first call to
deepcopy?

=
Feb 16 15:05:45 2010 (2632) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File /var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 111, in _oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File /var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py, line 167, in _onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File /var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py, line 130, in _dispose
more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File /var/mailman/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py, line 153, in _dopipeline
sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File /var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py, line 91, in process
send_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File /var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py, line 132, in send_digests
send_i18n_digests(mlist, mboxfp)
  File /var/mailman/Mailman/Handlers/ToDigest.py, line 297, in 
send_i18n_digests
mimedigest.attach(MIMEMessage(copy.deepcopy(msg)))
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 283, in _deepcopy_inst
state = deepcopy(state, memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 186, in deepcopy
y = copierfunction(x, memo)
  File /usr/lib64/python2.2/copy.py, line 246, in _deepcopy_dict
y[deepcopy(key, memo)] = deepcopy(x[key], memo)
=

This could also be a some kind of list object corruption leading to a
circular reference. Hard to say without more information.

huh?


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

[Steven Jones]

-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net] 
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2010 3:56 a.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

Steven Jones wrote:

Yesterday after 5 years of operation ou mailman application has died it 
seems to be barely running taking 3 or more hours to process lists...previous 
load was 0.2 now its around 1 with a python process absorbing 1 CPU 
constantly.


Which python process - i.e.which qrunner.

Also look in Mailmans qfiles/* directories to see which one has a large
number of messages.

==
in.
==

We moved the queues and restarted its now running finewhich isnt a real 
fix of course.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Looking at shunt we have 127 itemsbut its not all the same list we have at 
least 5 so far

When I do a, find /var/mailman/lists/ -name digest.mbox |wc -l

I have 49 lists

So its not obvious which list it is so far...

I have looked inside one digest.mbox and there is nothing but benign content so 
fara

Its possible that the content is / was a DOS attack?  or maybe just chance

regards

Steven



-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net] 
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2010 2:16 p.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

Steven Jones wrote:

Which python process - i.e.which qrunner.

Also look in Mailmans qfiles/* directories to see which one has a large
number of messages.

==
in.
==

We moved the queues and restarted its now running finewhich isnt a real 
fix of course.


I think our messages crossed in transit, but you have only temporarily
circumvented the problem. It will recur with additional posts to the
problem list until you fix or remove that list's digest.mbox.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

[Steven Jones]

While looking at the shunt queue I see a all pcks at a certain time (Feb 17 
20:21) I have looked at so far have this as a content, instead of normal 
content.


[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 shunt]# /var/mailman/bin/show_qfiles 
1197321907.8858631+471a68770096868aa8540e5bf8bc643da86ac63d.pck|moreTraceback 
(most recent call last):
  File /var/mailman/bin/show_qfiles, line 74, in ?
 
1197321907.8858631+471a68770096868aa8540e5bf8bc643da86ac63d.pck
main()
  File /var/mailman/bin/show_qfiles, line 67, in main
sys.stdout.write(msg.as_string())
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py,
 line 130, in as_string
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 102, in flatten
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 130, in _write
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 156, in _dispatch
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 230, in _handle_multipart
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 102, in flatten
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 130, in _write
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 156, in _dispatch
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 297, in _handle_message
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 102, in flatten
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 130, in _write
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 156, in _dispatch
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 230, in _handle_multipart
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 102, in flatten
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 130, in _write
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 156, in _dispatch
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 277, in _handle_message_delivery_status
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 102, in flatten
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 130, in _write
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 156, in _dispatch
  File 
/var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
 line 274, in _handle_message_delivery_status
TypeError: iteration over non-sequence


regards

Steven

-Original Message-
From: mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org 
[mailto:mailman-users-bounces+steven.jones=vuw.ac...@python.org] On Behalf Of 
Steven Jones
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2010 2:26 p.m.
To: Mark Sapiro; mailman-users@python.org
Cc: Andrey Sabitov
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

Hi,

Looking at shunt we have 127 itemsbut its not all the same list we have at 
least 5 so far

When I do a, find /var/mailman/lists/ -name digest.mbox |wc -l

I have 49 lists

So its not obvious which list it is so far...

I have looked inside one digest.mbox and there is nothing but benign content so 
fara

Its possible that the content is / was a DOS attack?  or maybe just chance

regards

Steven



-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net] 
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2010 2:16 p.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

Steven Jones wrote:

Which python process - i.e.which qrunner.

Also look in Mailmans qfiles/* directories to see which one has a large
number of messages.

==
in.
==

We moved the queues and restarted its now running finewhich isnt a real 
fix of course.


I think our messages crossed in transit, but you have only temporarily
circumvented the problem. It will recur with additional posts to the
problem list until you fix or remove that list's digest.mbox.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

[Steven Jones]

As below.

-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net]
Sent: Thursday, 18 February 2010 3:03 p.m.
To: Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Cc: Andrey Sabitov
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Mailman no longer working or working very slowly

Steven Jones wrote:

While looking at the shunt queue I see a all pcks at a certain time (Feb 17 
20:21) I have looked at so far have this as a content, instead of normal 
content.


[r...@vuwunicosmtp004 shunt]# /var/mailman/bin/show_qfiles 
1197321907.8858631+471a68770096868aa8540e5bf8bc643da86ac63d.pck|moreTraceback 
(most recent call last):
  File /var/mailman/bin/show_qfiles, line 74, in ?
 
1197321907.8858631+471a68770096868aa8540e5bf8bc643da86ac63d.pck
main()
  File /var/mailman/bin/show_qfiles, line 67, in main
sys.stdout.write(msg.as_string())
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Message.py,
  line 130, in as_string
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 102, in flatten
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 130, in _write
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 156, in _dispatch
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 230, in _handle_multipart
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 102, in flatten
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 130, in _write
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 156, in _dispatch
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 297, in _handle_message
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 102, in flatten
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 130, in _write
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 156, in _dispatch
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 230, in _handle_multipart
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 102, in flatten
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 130, in _write
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 156, in _dispatch
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 277, in _handle_message_delivery_status
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 102, in flatten
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 130, in _write
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 156, in _dispatch
  File 
 /var/tmp/mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.8-root/var/mailman/pythonlib/email/Generator.py,
  line 274, in _handle_message_delivery_status
TypeError: iteration over non-sequence


That's not the content of the shunt queue entry, it is the traceback
from the exception that show_qfiles throws when it attempts to display
the message because the message is malformed.

What happens with bin/dumpdb instead of bin/show_qfiles?

=
I get the similar output but with earlier content,
=

Arrival-Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:59:07 +1300

Final-Recipient: RFC822; postmas...@vuwunicohrt0001.vuw.ac.nz
X-Actual-Recipient: RFC822; its-u...@vuw.ac.nz
Action: failed
Status: 4.4.7
Last-Attempt-Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 14:59:08 +1300

--o051uOHi025221.1262656748/vuwunicohrt0001.vuw.ac.nz
Content-Type: message/rfc822

Return-Path: MAILER-DAEMON
Received: from localhost (localhost)
by vuwunicohrt0001.vuw.ac.nz (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) id
nBV0uOGO015468; Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:59:07 +1300
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:59:07 +1300
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem MAILER-DAEMON
Message-Id: 200912310059.nbv0uogo015...@vuwunicohrt0001.vuw.ac.nz
To: postmaster
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;
boundary=nBV0uOGO015468.1262221147/vuwunicohrt0001.vuw.ac.nz
Subject: Postmaster notify: see transcript for details
Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (postmaster-notification)

This is a MIME-encapsulated message

--nBV0uOGO015468.1262221147/vuwunicohrt0001.vuw.ac.nz

The original message was received at Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:59:05 +1300
from localhost
with id nBPNuMtA005712

   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
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(expanded from: root)

   - Transcript

[Mailman-Users] Messages take over an hour to pass through mailman

[Steven Jones]

I am trying to determine why emails to lists sometimes take well in
excess of an hoursometimes 4

Is there anyway to determine where the issue lies?

regards

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Senior  Linux/Unix/San System Administrator
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages take over an hour to pass throughmailman

[Steven Jones]

Thanks to both, I don't think its DNS as the mailman server is
smarthost'd in sendmail to go to a outgoing smtp serverso why it
would do dns lookups I don't know...

regards

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Senior  Linux/Unix/San System Administrator
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Phone: +64 4 463 6272 Mobile: +64 27 563 6272 

-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 2 August 2007 4:25 p.m.
To: Brad Knowles; Steven Jones; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages take over an hour to pass
throughmailman

Brad Knowles wrote:

On 8/2/07, Steven Jones wrote:

  I am trying to determine why emails to lists sometimes take well in
  excess of an hoursometimes 4

  Is there anyway to determine where the issue lies?

Look at the logs.  Correlate the message-ids in the MTA logs 
(sendmail, postfix, whatever) with the message-ids in the Mailman 
logs (presumably in /usr/local/mailman/logs, or elsewhere as 
appropriate for your installation), and then do the same for the 
outbound traffic (going back to the MTA logs with the ids of the 
messages as they are generated by Mailman).

That's about the only way I know of.


Also see
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2007-July/057755.html

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[Mailman-Users] Moving mailman lists

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Quick Q,

We have an organisation wanting to use our mailman server, but they want
their own domain. Since mailman does not easily do multiple domains, in
the short term they will accept using our domain but later want to
extract their lists and run them under their own domain on their own
mailman server.

So, how easy would it be to extract all the setup info and move it to
the new server and convert it to a new list name and a new domain at a
later date?

Does this involve hacking by hand or would it be easy to automate? Is
there already such a tool?

Could the archived items be cleansed of the old domain and the new
domain be substituted? (this is probably a secondary requirement)...

Unless this is easy my preference is to let them wait until they get a
new server but they want something now.

regards


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[Mailman-Users] reply from RedHat regarding patch for lost spam filters - no it is not in their RPM

[Steven Jones]

Hi All,

Regarding any of you out there running a RedHat Advanced Server 3 setup
with Mailman.

It seems RH's rpm lacks the patch so they have sent me instructions on
how to fix it

8RedHat reply-

Hey,

Thank you for contacting Red Hat support.

It doesn't look like the patch has been applied, however it did apply
cleanly to my system. If you download the patch from the website you
supplied you can apply it quite easily.

The file to patch is /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/Privacy.py. The
command below will patch the file for you (assuming the patch is in your
home directory):

# cd /usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Gui/
# patch -p0  ~/Privacy.py.diff

The file is a python script, so there is no need to recompile or
anything, it should just start working (you may need to restart mailman
though).

Regards,

8-

regards


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[Mailman-Users] problems with spam filter rules disappearing on a regular basis

[Steven Jones]

Under spam filter rule 1 I have this, 

Subject: \*\*\*\*\*SPAM\*\*\*\*\*  which is set to discard.

However every so often (days or some weeks) the rule disappears and I
have to re-add it. This seems to happen to a number of lists

I have grep'd through the logs can find no obvious comments that someone
has changed the settings or reason why these disappear, it does not
happen to every list on the same dayseems more likely the lists are
loosing settings on a regular though random basis (3~14 days or so), so
a bug?

The mailman version I have is,

mailman-2.1.5.1-25.rhel3.7

regards

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Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with spam filter rules disappearing on a regular basis

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

This is an old bug...2004is there anyway to determine if the patch
is in my version?

regards

Steven Jones
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-Original Message-
From: Steve Burling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, 7 December 2006 10:13 a.m.
To: mailman-users@python.org
Cc: Steven Jones
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] problems with spam filter rules
disappearing on a regular basis

--On December 7, 2006 9:09:13 AM +1300 Steven Jones 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Under spam filter rule 1 I have this,

 Subject: \*\*\*\*\*SPAM\*\*\*\*\*  which is set to discard.

 However every so often (days or some weeks) the rule disappears and I
 have to re-add it. This seems to happen to a number of lists

To which I reply:

I can't remember for sure when this patch made it into the mainline
code, 
but it sure sounds like what you're seeing:

http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1020102group_
id=103atid=300103

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Re: [Mailman-Users] spam filters disappearing....

[Steven Jones]

It did it again

So I got about 4 hours from adding a spam filter before it again
disappears

Is there anyway to check the rpm for the patch for the bug? Because if
it is not there OK, I can chase RH, if it is there then the patch did
not fix the issue/bug.

:/

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[Mailman-Users] Some lists no longer archiving

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I have a list that stopped archiving in Octoberother lists are Ok...

Where would I start looking for a reason why?

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[Mailman-Users] New version of Mailman

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

Where would I find info on Mailman 2, its advantages etc over 1? Sort of
like a white paper and/or release notes. Not having much luck with
Google or the Mailman site

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[Mailman-Users] Error posting to a mailman list.

[Steven Jones]

Hi,

I seem to be having an ongoing error with mailman, at least one list is
failing to work after working for a period

The list from the mailman end seems to work as I can subscribe people
and they get an email, but I can no longer send to the list...it
bounces.

=8-

-bash-2.05b$ mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ww
ww
Cc:
-bash-2.05b$ mail
Mail version 8.1 6/6/93.  Type ? for help.
/var/spool/mail/jonesst1: 1 message 1 new
N  1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Mon Aug 28 10:25  74/3194  Returned mail:
see transcript for details

Message 1:
From [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Mon Aug 28 10:25:15 2006
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:25:13 +1200
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status;
boundary=k7RMPDQ8016090.1156717513/vuwunicosmtp004.vuw.ac.nz
Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details
Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)
 
This is a MIME-encapsulated message
 
--k7RMPDQ8016090.1156717513/vuwunicosmtp004.vuw.ac.nz
 
The original message was received at Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:25:13 +1200
from vuwunicosmtp002.vuw.ac.nz [130.195.86.26]
 
   - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -
|/var/mailman/mail/mailman post its-agp
(reason: 1)
(expanded from: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
 
   - Transcript of session follows -
post script, list not found: its-agp
554 5.3.0 unknown mailer error 1
 
--k7RMPDQ8016090.1156717513/vuwunicosmtp004.vuw.ac.nz
Content-Type: message/delivery-status
 
Reporting-MTA: dns; vuwunicosmtp004.vuw.ac.nz
Received-From-MTA: DNS; vuwunicosmtp002.vuw.ac.nz
Arrival-Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:25:13 +1200
=8

The list seems to be in /etc/aliases,

===8-
its-agp:  |/var/mailman/mail/mailman post its-agp
its-agp-admin:|/var/mailman/mail/mailman admin its-agp
its-agp-bounces:  |/var/mailman/mail/mailman bounces its-agp
its-agp-confirm:  |/var/mailman/mail/mailman confirm its-agp
its-agp-join: |/var/mailman/mail/mailman join its-agp
its-agp-leave:|/var/mailman/mail/mailman leave its-agp
its-agp-owner:|/var/mailman/mail/mailman owner its-agp
its-agp-request:  |/var/mailman/mail/mailman request its-agp
its-agp-subscribe:|/var/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe its-agp
its-agp-unsubscribe:  |/var/mailman/mail/mailman unsubscribe its-agp
===8-

The list exists on the server,

==8-
[EMAIL PROTECTED] its-apg]# ls -l
total 24
-rw-rw1 apache   mailman  6149 Aug 28 10:42 config.pck
-rw-rw1 apache   mailman  6149 Aug 28 10:42 config.pck.last
-rw-rw1 mailman  mailman   128 Aug 14 09:34 pending.pck
-rw-rw-r--1 apache   mailman20 Aug 28 10:21 request.pck
[EMAIL PROTECTED] its-apg]# pwd
/var/mailman/lists/its-apg
[EMAIL PROTECTED] its-apg]#
==8-

Mailman's error log,

==8---
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailman]# tail error
Aug 28 10:25:13 2006 post(16091): post script, list not found: its-agp
Aug 28 10:27:50 2006 post(16231): post script, list not found: its-agp
Aug 28 10:30:06 2006 post(16744): post script, list not found: its-agp
==8

So I am a bit at a losssuggests some sort of link within or to
mailman is broken.

How to fix please?

Regards

Steven Jones
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[Mailman-Users] Changing defaults

[Steven Jones]

Hi,
 
I need to chnage some defaults on creating a new list, specifically at present 
making the list's archive automatically private instead of public?
 
thanks
 
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[Mailman-Users] Possible features

[Steven Jones]

Hi,
 
A list owner requested if the subscription could be broken down into two 
sections, as normal with mailman the list owner has to confirm (etc) whether 
people can subscibe, or the option allowing anybody from a specific domain to 
automatically subscribe without any confirmation?
 
can mailman do this now? if not would it be a nice feature?
 
regards
 
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[Mailman-Users] Injecting a global reject into all lists

[Steven Jones]

Hi All,

I want to ban a particular email address from all lists..

eg

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Is there a CLI command or something to do this?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Injecting a global reject into all lists

[Steven Jones]

Great thanks!

:D

Regards

Steven

-Original Message-
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, 10 July 2006 10:14 a.m.
To: Steven Jones; Mailman - Users
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Injecting a global reject into all lists

Steven Jones wrote:

I want to ban a particular email address from all lists..

eg

[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Save the following as bin/add_banned.py

cut here ---
Add an email address or regexp to ban_list for all lists.

Save as bin/add_banned.py

Run via

   bin/withlist -a -r add_banned -- address_to_ban

where address_to_ban is the actual email address or regexp
to be added to ban_list for all lists.


def add_banned(mlist, address):
if not mlist.Locked():
mlist.Lock()
mlist.ban_list.append(address)
mlist.Save()
mlist.Unlock()
cut here ---

and then run

bin/withlist -a -r add_banned -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman using Sendmail

[Steven Jones]

Hi All,

Hopefully anybody running mailman over sendmail will have got the CERT
alert for a issue with Sendmail. RH have released patches and it looked
urgent...

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[Mailman-Users] Automated subscription off AD, or a 3rd party application/output

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Hi All,

Is there something ready made for this sort of job?

Otherwise I thought maybe a script that scp's a flat file over from the
remote app and runs it into a list

Regards

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[Mailman-Users] Adding a customised Footer Header to mailman.

[Steven Jones]

Hi All,

I have a request from management to find out if I can add a footer and
possibly a header to all outgoing list messages. (Might be easiest to do
this via sendmail, but anyway).

I can see mailman adds some text onto each email, can this be set to do
something more comprehensive? Like fancy company logos and such got from
another location (database, mount point or something)?

Before you all flame me with retorts about html, bloat etc don't bother,
I don't want it myself but the business wants it, so it happens or I
have to replace Mailman with Exchange, and I really, really don't want
that.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop these Non-sense mails?

[Steven Jones]

I would suggest;

1) Sendmail ~ has settings to filter spam like if the domain (DNS
lookup) does not exist, reject it. Other smtp/mta applications have
similar settings. Do a google, for these things, there is lots of info.
2) The single most effective anti-spam system I have seen is grey
listing, take a look at it.
3) Also setting mailman to not take posts from anyone but subscribers.

Regards

Steven

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Jim Popovitch
Sent: Monday, 27 February 2006 4:55 p.m.
To: Kabilan L
Cc: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: *SPAM* Re: [Mailman-Users] How to stop these Non-sense
mails?

Get some good spam prevention software.  Also make sure that your MTA is

properly validating who is sending you email (check for thinks like 
reverse DNS lookups, RBL listings, SPF, DKIM, etc).

-Jim P.

Kabilan L wrote:
 Hai
 
 I am getting  lot spam-mails.The following are the examples.
 How can i stop these  things!!!
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun Feb 26 21:34:01 2006
 Subject: Stocks That Rock
 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun Feb 26 21:58:59 2006
 Subject: S0FT C1alis, branded quality
 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun Feb 26 23:41:36 2006
 Subject: Photoshop software for 80 % 0ff at Diane's softgroup
 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon Feb 27 01:58:17 2006
 Subject: The Stock Profiler
 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Mon Feb 27 03:00:06 2006
 Subject: (no subject)
 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list 
 
 
 Help me Please! Thank You all
 
 
 Kabilan.L
 Department of Electrical Engineering
 IIT Madras
 Chennai - 600 036
 Tamil Nadu, INDIA
 
 
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[Mailman-Users] One way mailing list

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What would be the right settings for a mailing list where one or two
people post to a list of subscribers but those subscribers cannot post
themselves to the list?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] One way mailing list

[Steven Jones]

n/m found it while looking for something else.

FAQ 3.11

Regards

Steven

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What would be the right settings for a mailing list where one or two
people post to a list of subscribers but those subscribers cannot post
themselves to the list?

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