[Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman
Hi, I installed mailman and go for Check Installation phase as per mailman Installation Manual [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/mailman$ bin/check_perms -f Traceback (most recent call last): File bin/check_perms, line 45, in module from Mailman import mm_cfg ImportError: cannot import name mm_cfg Regards Smita -- Forwarded message -- From: Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Oct 24, 2007 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman To: QA Engg [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mailman-Users@python.org QA Engg wrote: I tried the procedure to install mailman from the Wikipedia and following errors [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ emerge -p mailman bash: emerge: command not found [...] You are trying to follow instructions for a package and perhaps even an OS which you do not have. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ # groups mailman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cron mailman cron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission denied [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ # cd /usr/local/mailman/cron crontab -u mailman crontab.in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ # su - mailman In 3 of the four lines, the '#' you typed is actually the 'root' shell prompt in the example you are copying. Thus you are typing comments, not commands. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ $ cd /usr/local/mailman/cron bash: $: command not found Here and in the following you typed a '$' prompt as opposed to the '#' above so bash told you there is no '$' command. You need to get some help and instruction from somone who knows something about Unix/Linux. That is beyond the scope of the mailman-users@python.org list. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman
QA Engg wrote: I installed mailman and go for Check Installation phase as per mailman Installation Manual [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/mailman$ bin/check_perms -f Traceback (most recent call last): File bin/check_perms, line 45, in module from Mailman import mm_cfg ImportError: cannot import name mm_cfg Your installation was not successful. -- Forwarded message -- From: Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Oct 24, 2007 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman To: QA Engg [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mailman-Users@python.org snip You need to get some help and instruction from somone who knows something about Unix/Linux. That is beyond the scope of the mailman-users@python.org list. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman
QA Engg wrote: I tried the procedure to install mailman from the Wikipedia and following errors [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ emerge -p mailman bash: emerge: command not found [...] You are trying to follow instructions for a package and perhaps even an OS which you do not have. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ # groups mailman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cron mailman cron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission denied [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ # cd /usr/local/mailman/cron crontab -u mailman crontab.in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ # su - mailman In 3 of the four lines, the '#' you typed is actually the 'root' shell prompt in the example you are copying. Thus you are typing comments, not commands. [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ $ cd /usr/local/mailman/cron bash: $: command not found Here and in the following you typed a '$' prompt as opposed to the '#' above so bash told you there is no '$' command. You need to get some help and instruction from somone who knows something about Unix/Linux. That is beyond the scope of the mailman-users@python.org list. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman
hi, I tried the procedure to install mailman from the Wikipedia and following errors [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ emerge -p mailman bash: emerge: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ emerge mailman bash: emerge: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ zless /usr/share/doc/mailman-$version/README.gentoo.gz gzip: /usr/share/doc/mailman-/README.gentoo.gz: No such file or directory /usr/share/doc/mailman-/README.gentoo.gz: No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ zless /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.9/README.gentoo.gz gzip: /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.9/README.gentoo.gz: No such file or directory /usr/share/doc/mailman-2.1.9/README.gentoo.gz: No such file or directory [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ebuild /var/db/pkg/net-mail/mailman-2.1.9 /mailman-$VERSION.eb uild config bash: ebuild: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ # groups mailman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cron mailman cron: can't open or create /var/run/crond.pid: Permission denied [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ # cd /usr/local/mailman/cron crontab -u mailman crontab.in [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ # su - mailman [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ $ cd /usr/local/mailman/cron bash: $: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ $crontab crontab.in bash: crontab.in: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ $ cd .. bash: $: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ $ bin/mmsitepass bash: $: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ $ bin/newlist mailman bash: $: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ $ bin/config_list -i data/sitelist.cfg mailman bash: $: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ $ bin/check_perms -f bash: $: command not found [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ Regards Smita On 10/20/07, Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: QA Engg wrote: 2.2 Create the Installatio Directory 1. You cannot install Mailman on a filesystem that is mounted with the nosuid option not gettting the meaning of set to group 2. cd $prefix 3. chgrp mailman . 4. chmod a+rx,g+ws . -- Sucessfully run Was the above 'cd $prefix' actually 'cd /usr/local/mailman'? Because the next step is telling you that /usr/local/mailman is not group mailman and/or not g+ws. 3 Build and install mailman 3.1 Run Configure *cd mailman-version* *./configure* This isn't the problem here, but you may wish to specify some options to configure such as --with-cgi-gid=, --with-mail-gid=, --with-mailhost= and --with-urlhost= Shows errors 1) checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... configure: error: 2) * Installation directory /usr/local/mailman is not configured properly! 3) * Directory must be owned by group mailman: /usr/local/mailman Indicating that 'chgrp mailman .' above was not run in the /usr/local/mailman directory. You must fix the above and rerun configure. Then you can run 'make install' *sudo make install* 4 Check Your Installlatio 4.1 1. *bin/check_perms -f * bash: bin/check_perms: @PYTHON@: bad interpreter: No such file or directory 2. You have to run /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms which won't exist until you get the proper ownership and permissions on /usr/local/mailman and successfully run configure and make install. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman
Hi, 2.1 Set up your system 1. Add the group and User *groupadd mailman :-* groupadd: group mailman exists *useradd -c''GNU Mailman'' -s /no/shell -d /no/home -g mailman mailman :- * no error but shows details about the command Useradd 2. Create the istallation Directory 2.2 Create the Installatio Directory 1. You cannot install Mailman on a filesystem that is mounted with the nosuid option not gettting the meaning of set to group 2. cd $prefix 3. chgrp mailman . 4. chmod a+rx,g+ws . -- Sucessfully run 3 Build and install mailman 3.1 Run Configure *cd mailman-version* *./configure* Shows errors 1) checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... configure: error: 2) * Installation directory /usr/local/mailman is not configured properly! 3) * Directory must be owned by group mailman: /usr/local/mailman *sudo make install* 4 Check Your Installlatio 4.1 1. *bin/check_perms -f * bash: bin/check_perms: @PYTHON@: bad interpreter: No such file or directory 2. *cd mailman/archives * No such directory 3. *chown Apache 2 private* chown: `Apache': invalid user 4. *chmod o-x private* chmod: cannot access `private': No such file or directory 5 Set up your web server ScriptAlias /mailman/ $prefix/cgi-bin/ OR Exec/mailman/* $prefix/cgi-bin/* -- Forwarded message -- From: Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Oct 20, 2007 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman To: QA Engg [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mailman-Users@python.org QA Engg wrote: And trying to run mailman but show the problem with /usr/local/mailman directory i.s Permission problem Have you tried running Mailman's bin/check_perms http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node9.html. when I tired to cd /usr/local/mailman directory it is showing error that Directory does not exist Did you specify some other 'prefix' option to configure? -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman
QA Engg wrote: 2.2 Create the Installatio Directory 1. You cannot install Mailman on a filesystem that is mounted with the nosuid option not gettting the meaning of set to group 2. cd $prefix 3. chgrp mailman . 4. chmod a+rx,g+ws . -- Sucessfully run Was the above 'cd $prefix' actually 'cd /usr/local/mailman'? Because the next step is telling you that /usr/local/mailman is not group mailman and/or not g+ws. 3 Build and install mailman 3.1 Run Configure *cd mailman-version* *./configure* This isn't the problem here, but you may wish to specify some options to configure such as --with-cgi-gid=, --with-mail-gid=, --with-mailhost= and --with-urlhost= Shows errors 1) checking permissions on /usr/local/mailman... configure: error: 2) * Installation directory /usr/local/mailman is not configured properly! 3) * Directory must be owned by group mailman: /usr/local/mailman Indicating that 'chgrp mailman .' above was not run in the /usr/local/mailman directory. You must fix the above and rerun configure. Then you can run 'make install' *sudo make install* 4 Check Your Installlatio 4.1 1. *bin/check_perms -f * bash: bin/check_perms: @PYTHON@: bad interpreter: No such file or directory 2. You have to run /usr/local/mailman/bin/check_perms which won't exist until you get the proper ownership and permissions on /usr/local/mailman and successfully run configure and make install. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman
QA Engg wrote: And trying to run mailman but show the problem with /usr/local/mailman directory i.s Permission problem Have you tried running Mailman's bin/check_perms http://www.list.org/mailman-install/node9.html. when I tired to cd /usr/local/mailman directory it is showing error that Directory does not exist Did you specify some other 'prefix' option to configure? -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] : Problem Running mailman
Hi all, Download mailman 2.1.9 Install it on my linux based system It automatically takes Apache as web server and Qmail as Email server And trying to run mailman but show the problem with /usr/local/mailman directory i.s Permission problem when I tired to cd /usr/local/mailman directory it is showing error that Directory does not exist please Help he regarding that Regards User -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] problem running Mailman on 2.6.11.7
Hi all. I'm attempting to get Mailman running on a Slackware-10.0 machine with 2.6.11.7 and Grsecurity installed. After running check_perms_grsecurity.py and then running ./mailmanctl start, I received several errors such as this: Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 76, in ? import CheckFixUid File /usr/local/mailman/bin/CheckFixUid.py, line 6, in ? class CheckFixUid: File /usr/local/mailman/bin/CheckFixUid.py, line 12, in CheckFixUid if os.geteuid() != uid: NameError: name 'uid' is not defined I googled for checkfixuid, and the closest I came to a fix is http://www.mail-archive.com/cooker@linux-mandrake.com/msg126675.html Unfortunately, I can't test that patch since its been packaged within an RPM. Any other ideas on how to fix this are appreciated. Thanks. -- Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. -- Benjamin Franklin pgpCYaRjsfufp.pgp Description: PGP signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] problem running Mailman on 2.6.11.7
Igor Gueths wrote: Hi all. I'm attempting to get Mailman running on a Slackware-10.0 machine with 2.6.11.7 and Grsecurity installed. After running check_perms_grsecurity.py and then running ./mailmanctl start, I received several errors such as this: Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner, line 76, in ? import CheckFixUid File /usr/local/mailman/bin/CheckFixUid.py, line 6, in ? class CheckFixUid: File /usr/local/mailman/bin/CheckFixUid.py, line 12, in CheckFixUid if os.geteuid() != uid: NameError: name 'uid' is not defined I googled for checkfixuid, and the closest I came to a fix is http://www.mail-archive.com/cooker@linux-mandrake.com/msg126675.html Unfortunately, I can't test that patch since its been packaged within an RPM. Any other ideas on how to fix this are appreciated. Thanks. check_perms_grsecurity.py and its 'child' CheckFixUid.py are user contributed software. I suggest you follow up with the contributor. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] problem running Mailman 2.1 on RH 7.1
Don't quote me, but doesn't status 1 mean, that it couldn't locate (or run) the alias? Does /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman exist as an executable program? What happens if you try to run that command by hand (su as the user postfix first)? Good Luck - Jon Carnes On Fri, 2003-01-03 at 12:35, ljacobs wrote: Folks -- In my previous note I mentioned that I had been running Mailman 2.0.13 on a RH 7.1 server. Upon upgrading to Mailman 2.1, and upgrading to python 2.2.2 and Postfix 1.1.11, I am now unable to get messages delivered. Does anyone else have experience in resolving this Postfix maillog error: === Jan 3 04:05:37 tulku postfix/local[6680]: DBB7C3EF1: to=[EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=local, delay=30, status=bounced (Command died with status 1: /usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post test) === I would appreciate any suggestions you could provide. Thanks. Sent via the WebMail system at mandala-designs.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/jonc%40nc.rr.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: archive@jab.org Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Problem running Mailman on my Debian webserver
Hello, i installed Mailman on my webserver with apt-get install mailman Everything works fine, i'm able to create new lists and so on. My problem is that i'm not able to get access zu the directory over the web. For example i create a list testlist, then i get a mail with links to listinfo and to the webconfiguration, but when i try to visit this links i get a 404 from my server. When i use lynx directly on my server when i'm logged in over ssh, everything is ok ... in short: this works: http://localhost/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/testlist but not this: http://mydomain.tld/cgi-bin/mailman/admin/testlist firstly the link in the mail was also with localhost but then i changed mm_cfg.py What did i forget or what is wrong? It would be very nice if someone could help me. Thanks, Florian Kubis -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Problem running Mailman new beta with postfix.
Hi, I have just installed Mailman for working with postfix ( virtual style ). I can create my list w/o any problems but when i send a mail to the list i have the folowing error msg : May 17 16:23:37 aurora postfix/qmgr[28260]: 0293F3EA50: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=882, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 17 16:23:37 aurora postfix/virtual[28270]: 0293F3EA50: to=|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post [EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=virtual, delay=0, status=bounced (unknown user: |/home/mailman/mail/mailman post [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Whats wrong ? Thanks for your help. Regards, Raphaël -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
RE : [Mailman-Users] Problem running Mailman new beta with postfix.
I have find the problem ! Thanks to all who have begin to read the mail :) Regards, -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] De la part de [EMAIL PROTECTED] Envoyé : lundi 20 mai 2002 21:33 À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : [Mailman-Users] Problem running Mailman new beta with postfix. Hi, I have just installed Mailman for working with postfix ( virtual style ). I can create my list w/o any problems but when i send a mail to the list i have the folowing error msg : May 17 16:23:37 aurora postfix/qmgr[28260]: 0293F3EA50: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=882, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 17 16:23:37 aurora postfix/virtual[28270]: 0293F3EA50: to=|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post [EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=virtual, delay=0, status=bounced (unknown user: |/home/mailman/mail/mailman post [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Whats wrong ? Thanks for your help. Regards, Raphaël -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
[Mailman-Users] Problem running Mailman new beta with postfix.
Hi, I have just installed Mailman for working with postfix ( virtual style ). I can create my list w/o any problems but when i send a mail to the list i have the folowing error msg : May 17 16:23:37 aurora postfix/qmgr[28260]: 0293F3EA50: from=[EMAIL PROTECTED], size=882, nrcpt=1 (queue active) May 17 16:23:37 aurora postfix/virtual[28270]: 0293F3EA50: to=|/home/mailman/mail/mailman post [EMAIL PROTECTED], relay=virtual, delay=0, status=bounced (unknown user: |/home/mailman/mail/mailman post [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Whats wrong ? Thanks for your help. Regards, Raphaël -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
