Re: [Mailman-Users] [EMAIL PROTECTED] isnt working

2006-12-05 Thread Ken Cheney
The problem with the unsubscribing via email has been solved The solution 
was simple.  NO FIREWALL RULE SET!! Once I added this to my firewall subscribes 
and unsubscribes work fine.

Now for the relaying to my own domain issue  I will post another to the 
list once I get some more information.

Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ken Cheney wrote:
>
>should I be looking somewhere other than main.cf?


If you mean Postfix's main.cf, that may be it or it could be in your MX
records or ?


>Patrick Bogen 
 wrote: On 12/4/06, Ken Cheney  wrote:
>> x.x.50.2 is one of my DNS servers it has no email funcionality at all.


Well, accordilng to the maillog entry you quoted earlier

>   Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtp[2580]: 0C3CA2184C3:
>   to=, relay=mydomain.com[10.180.50.2], delay=0,
>   status=bounced (host mydomain.com[10.180.50.2] said: 550 5.7.1 Unable to 
> relay for
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (in reply to RCPT TO command))

Postfix on the mailman machine connected to port 25 [10.180.50.2] in
order to deliver a message to  and something
there answered the connect and spoke enough SMTP to get as far as
receiving a RCPT TO command and to respond that it couldn't relay to
mydomain.com.

Were all the occurrences of mydomain.com in that log entry actually the
same domain before you munged them? It seems pretty strange that a
server at mydomain.com[10.180.50.2] would think it a) needed to relay
to mydomain.com, and b) couldn't. What does [10.180.50.2] think it's
host name is?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [EMAIL PROTECTED] isnt working

2006-12-04 Thread Mark Sapiro
Ken Cheney wrote:
>
>should I be looking somewhere other than main.cf?


If you mean Postfix's main.cf, that may be it or it could be in your MX
records or ?


>Patrick Bogen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 12/4/06, Ken Cheney  wrote:
>> x.x.50.2 is one of my DNS servers it has no email funcionality at all.


Well, accordilng to the maillog entry you quoted earlier

>   Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtp[2580]: 0C3CA2184C3:
>   to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=mydomain.com[10.180.50.2], delay=0,
>   status=bounced (host mydomain.com[10.180.50.2] said: 550 5.7.1 Unable to 
> relay for
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (in reply to RCPT TO command))

Postfix on the mailman machine connected to port 25 [10.180.50.2] in
order to deliver a message to  and something
there answered the connect and spoke enough SMTP to get as far as
receiving a RCPT TO command and to respond that it couldn't relay to
mydomain.com.

Were all the occurrences of mydomain.com in that log entry actually the
same domain before you munged them? It seems pretty strange that a
server at mydomain.com[10.180.50.2] would think it a) needed to relay
to mydomain.com, and b) couldn't. What does [10.180.50.2] think it's
host name is?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [EMAIL PROTECTED] isnt working

2006-12-04 Thread Ken Cheney
I have internal DNS that is marginally different than external DNS.

My internal DNS points to the internal IP of my exchange server and the 
internal IP of my listserv.

My external DNS points to the external IPs of each.  They are correct.

should I be looking somewhere other than main.cf?



Patrick Bogen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 12/4/06, Ken Cheney  wrote:
> x.x.50.2 is one of my DNS servers it has no email funcionality at all.  I
> thought that postfix sent the mail.. meaning not relayed off of something
> else.

Email works by mail servers relaying mail to each other until it gets
to a server that (believes) it can deliver it locally. There is either
something wrong with the MX records in your domain, or your Postfix
server is actually set to relay mail to the DNS, for some reason.
Check your postfix config for settings related to relaying or
smarthosts, and check your DNS config to see if all your MX records
are correct.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [EMAIL PROTECTED] isnt working

2006-12-04 Thread Patrick Bogen
On 12/4/06, Ken Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> x.x.50.2 is one of my DNS servers it has no email funcionality at all.  I
> thought that postfix sent the mail.. meaning not relayed off of something
> else.

Email works by mail servers relaying mail to each other until it gets
to a server that (believes) it can deliver it locally. There is either
something wrong with the MX records in your domain, or your Postfix
server is actually set to relay mail to the DNS, for some reason.
Check your postfix config for settings related to relaying or
smarthosts, and check your DNS config to see if all your MX records
are correct.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [EMAIL PROTECTED] isnt working

2006-12-04 Thread Ken Cheney
x.x.50.2 is one of my DNS servers it has no email funcionality at all.  I 
thought that postfix sent the mail.. meaning not relayed off of something else.

Ken

Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Patrick Bogen wrote:
>
>>   Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtp[2580]: 0C3CA2184C3:
>>   to=, relay=mydomain.com[10.180.50.2], delay=0,
>>   status=bounced (host mydomain.com[10.180.50.2] said: 550 5.7.1 Unable to 
>> relay for
>>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (in reply to RCPT TO command))
>The message was to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The server attempted to
>deliver this by connecting to mydomain.com (IP 10.180.50.2), which
>refused to relay to the address [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Patrick obviously paid more attention to this error than I did.
Patrick's analysis of the relaying failure is correct.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [EMAIL PROTECTED] isnt working

2006-12-04 Thread Mark Sapiro
Patrick Bogen wrote:
>
>>   Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtp[2580]: 0C3CA2184C3:
>>   to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=mydomain.com[10.180.50.2], delay=0,
>>   status=bounced (host mydomain.com[10.180.50.2] said: 550 5.7.1 Unable to 
>> relay for
>>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (in reply to RCPT TO command))
>The message was to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The server attempted to
>deliver this by connecting to mydomain.com (IP 10.180.50.2), which
>refused to relay to the address [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Patrick obviously paid more attention to this error than I did.
Patrick's analysis of the relaying failure is correct.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [EMAIL PROTECTED] isnt working

2006-12-04 Thread Mark Sapiro
Ken Cheney wrote:
>
>there are log entries in maillog that say 
>  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: connect from 
> listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1]
>  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: 0C3CA2184C3: 
> client=listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1]
>  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/cleanup[2576]: 0C3CA2184C3: 
> message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 0C3CA2184C3: from=<[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]>, size=3775, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
>  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: disconnect from 
> listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1]
>  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtp[2580]: 0C3CA2184C3: to=<[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]>, relay=mydomain.com[10.180.50.2], delay=0, status=bounced (host 
> mydomain.com[10.180.50.2] said: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay for [EMAIL 
> PROTECTED] (in reply to RCPT TO command))


The above is a message from Mailman to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> that
can't be delivered because Postfix doesn't know how to route mail to
mydomain.com or it is not allowed to relay mail from 127.0.0.1 to
mydomain.com.

This is a Postfix configuration issue.


>  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/cleanup[2576]: 34EAD2184EA: 
> message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 34EAD2184EA: from=<>, 
> size=5858, nrcpt=1 (queue active)


The above are an incoming message (a DSN from Postfix back to Mailman
saying the first message was undeliverable).


>  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 0C3CA2184C3: removed


This is Postfix telling you the the first message (0C3CA2184C3) was
removed from Postfix's queue because Postfix was done with it. Postfix
has no knowledge of what Mailman does and you won't find anything in
the Postfix maillog that relates to any action Mailman has taken other
than mail delivery.


>  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/local[2577]: 34EAD2184EA: to=<[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (delivered to command: 
> /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman)
>  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 34EAD2184EA: removed


And these are Postfix's delivery of the DSN to the mail/mailman wrapper
for 'mailman-bounces' and the subsequent removal of the processed
message from Postfix's queue.


>  If that part where is says "removed" means that they are off the list - they 
> aren't.


That's not what it says. The above entries presumably all come after
some message to listname-leave was received and delivered to Mailman.
These are a reply from Mailman which is undeliverable (most likely
because you aren't allowing relaying from localhost/127.0.0.1) and the
subsequent bounce being returned to Mailman.

   
>  This is the vette log says:
>
>  
>Dec 04 08:25:03 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: [EMAIL 
>PROTECTED]
>  Dec 04 08:25:03 2006 (2762) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, 
> message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Post by non-member to a members-only list

>   
>  I am very confused.  Could the fact that it wont relay to my local domain be 
> the problem?


The first message above is saying that Mailman is trying to send an
autoresponse to a message received at the listname-request (or -join,
-leave or -(un)subscribe) address, but the user has already received
the daily limit of such messages.

The second is a held post. What happens to these? Do you see them in
the admindb interface for the list?

Messages clearly reach Mailman. The problem is that the messages that
mailman sends can't be relayed. You have to configure Postfix to relay
from localhost/127.0.0.1 to anywhere. Then you will see Mailman's
responses and more will become clear.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [EMAIL PROTECTED] isnt working

2006-12-04 Thread Patrick Bogen
On 12/4/06, Ken Cheney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> there are log entries in maillog that say
>   Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: connect from
>   listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1]
>   Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: 0C3CA2184C3:
>   client=listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1]
>   Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/cleanup[2576]: 0C3CA2184C3:
>   message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 0C3CA2184C3:
>   from=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, size=3775, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
>   Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: disconnect from
>   listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1]
Something connected from the local computer and sent a message.

>   Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtp[2580]: 0C3CA2184C3:
>   to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=mydomain.com[10.180.50.2], delay=0,
>   status=bounced (host mydomain.com[10.180.50.2] said: 550 5.7.1 Unable to 
> relay for
>   [EMAIL PROTECTED] (in reply to RCPT TO command))
The message was to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The server attempted to
deliver this by connecting to mydomain.com (IP 10.180.50.2), which
refused to relay to the address [EMAIL PROTECTED]

>   Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/cleanup[2576]: 34EAD2184EA:
>   message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 34EAD2184EA: from=<>, 
> size=5858,
>   nrcpt=1 (queue active)
>   Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 0C3CA2184C3: removed
The local SMTP server generated a bounce notification and removed the
original message from its queue.

>   Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/local[2577]: 34EAD2184EA:
>   to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent
>   (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman)
>   Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 34EAD2184EA: removed
The bounce notification was delivered to mailman's bounce handler, and
the bounce notification was removed from postfix's queue.

>   If that part where is says "removed" means that they are off the list - 
> they aren't.
The 'removed' is postfix removing messages from its queue, which is
completely normal and correct.

>   This is the vette log says:
>
>
> Dec 04 08:25:03 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   Dec 04 08:25:03 2006 (2762) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held,
>  message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Post by
>  non-member to a members-only list
Once again, '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' isn't a member of the list.
This is probably a postfix DSN, which is sent 'from' postfix, or
something similar.

It looks like no posts are actually reaching your mailing list.

>
>   I am very confused.  Could the fact that it wont relay to my local domain 
> be the
>   problem?
Your server doesn't seem to realize that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is
supposed to be delivered locally. Perhaps this is correct; however,
the smart host that it's set up to deliver through ALSO won't accept
[EMAIL PROTECTED] At least one of these is incorrect. If the
mailman server is also the server where you read your mail (e.g., your
POP or IMAP server), then it needs to be configured to accept messages
for kcheney for local delivery. If your SMTP relay host is the server
where you read your mail, IT Needs to be set up to accept mail from
[EMAIL PROTECTED] for local delivery.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [EMAIL PROTECTED] isnt working

2006-12-04 Thread Ken Cheney
there are log entries in maillog that say 
  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: connect from 
listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1]
  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: 0C3CA2184C3: 
client=listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1]
  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/cleanup[2576]: 0C3CA2184C3: 
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 0C3CA2184C3: from=<[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>, size=3775, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtpd[2573]: disconnect from 
listserv.mydomain.com[127.0.0.1]
  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/smtp[2580]: 0C3CA2184C3: to=<[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>, relay=mydomain.com[10.180.50.2], delay=0, status=bounced (host 
mydomain.com[10.180.50.2] said: 550 5.7.1 Unable to relay for [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(in reply to RCPT TO command))
  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/cleanup[2576]: 34EAD2184EA: 
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 34EAD2184EA: from=<>, size=5858, 
nrcpt=1 (queue active)
  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 0C3CA2184C3: removed
  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/local[2577]: 34EAD2184EA: to=<[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>, relay=local, delay=0, status=sent (delivered to command: 
/usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman bounces mailman)
  Dec  4 09:15:07 listserv postfix/qmgr[2438]: 34EAD2184EA: removed
 
  If that part where is says "removed" means that they are off the list - they 
aren't.
   
  This is the vette log says:

  
Dec 04 08:25:03 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
  Dec 04 08:25:03 2006 (2762) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, 
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Post by non-member to a members-only list
  Dec 04 08:30:03 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
  Dec 04 08:30:03 2006 (2762) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, 
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Post by non-member to a members-only list
  Dec 04 08:35:03 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
  Dec 04 08:35:03 2006 (2762) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, 
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Post by non-member to a members-only list
  Dec 04 08:40:03 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
  Dec 04 08:40:03 2006 (2762) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, 
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Post by non-member to a members-only list
  Dec 04 08:45:04 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
  Dec 04 08:45:04 2006 (2762) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, 
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Post by non-member to a members-only list
  Dec 04 08:50:03 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
  Dec 04 08:50:03 2006 (2762) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, 
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Post by non-member to a members-only list
  Dec 04 08:55:03 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
  Dec 04 08:55:03 2006 (2762) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, 
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Post by non-member to a members-only list
  Dec 04 09:00:04 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
  Dec 04 09:00:04 2006 (2762) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, 
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Post by non-member to a members-only list
  Dec 04 09:00:05 2006 (2762) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
  Dec 04 09:00:05 2006 (2762) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, 
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Post by non-member to a members-only list
  Dec 04 09:05:05 2006 (2374) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
  Dec 04 09:05:05 2006 (2374) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, 
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Post by non-member to a members-only list
  Dec 04 09:10:03 2006 (2374) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
  Dec 04 09:10:03 2006 (2374) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, 
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Post by non-member to a members-only list
  Dec 04 09:15:03 2006 (2374) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
  Dec 04 09:15:03 2006 (2374) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, 
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Post by non-member to a members-only list
  Dec 04 09:20:04 2006 (2374) -request/hold autoresponse discarded for: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
  Dec 04 09:20:04 2006 (2374) Mailman post from [EMAIL PROTECTED] held, 
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Post by non-member to a members-only list
   
  I am very confused.  Could the fact that it wont relay to my local domain be 
the problem?
   
  ken

Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Ken Cheney wrote:
>
>Given that I am very new to Mailman/Postfix/Linux... where would I find the 
>MTA logs?


Maybe /var/log/maillog; maybe somewhere else.


>how would I tell if the message made it to mailman.


There will be a maillog entry indicating the message was delivered via

Re: [Mailman-Users] [EMAIL PROTECTED] isnt working

2006-12-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Ken Cheney wrote:
>
>Given that I am very new to Mailman/Postfix/Linux... where would I find the 
>MTA logs?


Maybe /var/log/maillog; maybe somewhere else.


>how would I tell if the message made it to mailman.


There will be a maillog entry indicating the message was delivered via
a pipe to the wrapper as in "|path/to/mail/mailman leave listname" in
the case of mail to listname-leave.


>Come to think of it I have seen in logs where it say [EMAIL PROTECTED] has 
>been removed from the list.  Yet my email address is still on the list.


Did you subsequently resubscribe? Were you removed from one list and
still on another? Are you confusing the list owner with list members?

Mailman's subscribe log should have all the subscribe and unsubscribe
activity.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] [EMAIL PROTECTED] isnt working

2006-12-01 Thread Ken Cheney
Given that I am very new to Mailman/Postfix/Linux... where would I find the MTA 
logs?  how would I tell if the message made it to mailman.  Come to think of it 
I have seen in logs where it say [EMAIL PROTECTED] has been removed from the 
list.  Yet my email address is still on the list.
   
  Thanks.
  Ken

Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Ken Cheney wrote:

>When I send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the names don't unsubscribe from the 
>lists.


Does the mail reach Mailman? Is anything returned to the sender? What
does the MTA log say it did with the mail?

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2006-12-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Ken Cheney wrote:

>When I send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the names don't unsubscribe from the 
>lists.


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[Mailman-Users] [EMAIL PROTECTED] isnt working

2006-11-29 Thread Ken Cheney
When I send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] the names don't unsubscribe from the 
lists.
   
  Why would that be?
   
  Thanks.


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