Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing lists
At 11:44 AM -0700 2006-04-10, Allan Hansen wrote: Yes, of course, as I am interacting with Mailman after all, but my setup has one BIG advantage: speed. Using my setup I can search through all the lists in 1 second (the same subscriber may be on multiple lists and want to get off them all). There's plenty of speed in the Mailmain command-line tools, too. Using the Mailman pages I first have to wait, then enter the list name, then wait, then enter my password, then wait, then enter the search, then wait, etc. Just to look at 1 of my 40+ lists. Then repeat all that 40 times... How big are your lists? How big is your archive? I have over ten gigabytes of e-mail archives that go back many years, and it takes Eudora quite some time to search through all of them. Even if I limit myself to just the Mailman-related lists for which I've only been a subscriber for a couple of years, it takes a while. On the other hand, bin/find_member can search through all the lists hosted on python.org pretty quickly. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since December 2005. See http://www.lopsa.org/. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing lists
At 2:40 PM -0500 2006-04-10, Brad Knowles wrote: On the other hand, bin/find_member can search through all the lists hosted on python.org pretty quickly. There's another factor here -- we have plenty of subscribers who never have never posted to the list, and therefore would never show up in my Eudora archive, even if I had a complete list of every message ever sent to the lists. In that case, using the server-based tools are the only viable option. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since December 2005. See http://www.lopsa.org/. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing lists
At 2:04 PM -0700 2006-04-10, Allan Hansen wrote: On the other hand, bin/find_member can search through all the lists hosted on python.org pretty quickly. There's another factor here -- we have plenty of subscribers who never have never posted to the list, and therefore would never show up in my Eudora archive, even if I had a complete list of every message ever sent to the lists. In that case, using the server-based tools are the only viable option. Please read my message again, Brad. I'm not looking at posts, but subscribe and unsubscribe messages. I know exactly what you're looking at, and that only works for people who have to approve every subscription or who get a notice of every unsubscription. That also assumes that you haven't lost any mail along the way, etc Not all lists are run this way, in fact I would submit that most lists probably are not run this way. And regardless of how large or small your e-mail archive is, I doubt that most people have a 100% perfect archive of every message that they've ever received over a reasonable given period of time. Speaking only for myself, I know that none of the Mailman-related mailing lists hosted on python.org are run this way, and I also know that I don't have a perfect e-mail archive. I've recently moved from Belgium back to the US, and during the transition I know that at least a few messages were lost. I also know that e-mail systems are not perfect, and there have probably been a few other messages that have been lost along the way that I am not aware of. Even for people who do have a reasonably good e-mail archive, and who have their lists configured to send them subscription and unsubscription notices, I would challenge you to see how fast Eudora (or any other MUA) can search your archives of those messages across all your lists, to pull up a given recipient and then compare that to the command-line tools such as bin/find_member. The web interface may not be the greatest and fastest thing around, but that's because not everyone has the same moderator (or set of moderators) for all their lists, so each moderator is only going to be able to see (and search) the list of subscribers for the one list they are currently looking at. But the command-line interface (for the site admin) is something altogether different. As you run larger and larger lists, you become more and more dependant on the command-line tools, because they scale better than the web tools. We're working on beefing up the web tools to try to address some of these issues, but in the meanwhile there are at least some other options that can be used. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since December 2005. See http://www.lopsa.org/. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing lists
At 14:53 -0500 4/10/06, Brad Knowles wrote: At 2:40 PM -0500 2006-04-10, Brad Knowles wrote: On the other hand, bin/find_member can search through all the lists hosted on python.org pretty quickly. There's another factor here -- we have plenty of subscribers who never have never posted to the list, and therefore would never show up in my Eudora archive, even if I had a complete list of every message ever sent to the lists. In that case, using the server-based tools are the only viable option. Please read my message again, Brad. I'm not looking at posts, but subscribe and unsubscribe messages. Allan -- _ | Allan Hansen, Ph.D. | |P.O. Box 2423, Cypress, CA 90630, U.S.A. | | | | Work: Home:| | Phone: +1-714/952-6015 +1-714/875-8870 | | Fax: +1-714/952-6746 | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]| | WWW: http://www.ugs.com http://www.rc.org/ | | | |_Anything is possible with the right tools and right information_| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing lists
Well, I was just trying to help the poor soul who was struggling with the web interface, assuming that he could not get to the command-line tools. Allan -- _ | Allan Hansen, Ph.D. | |P.O. Box 2423, Cypress, CA 90630, U.S.A. | | | | Work: Home:| | Phone: +1-714/952-6015 +1-714/875-8870 | | Fax: +1-714/952-6746 | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]| | WWW: http://www.ugs.com http://www.rc.org/ | | | |_Anything is possible with the right tools and right information_| -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing lists
THANK you, Allen!! Well, I was just trying to help the poor soul who was struggling with the web interface, assuming that he could not get to the command-line tools. Which IS what I said!!! My ONLY mailman access is the web interface, which IMVHO is lacking BUT I am biasedGG!! Ed -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Accessing lists
At 3:06 PM -0700 2006-04-10, Allan Hansen wrote: Well, I was just trying to help the poor soul who was struggling with the web interface, assuming that he could not get to the command-line tools. As I said, for some people what you've suggested is a perfectly valid option. If that works for the OP, that's great. If not, then he might need to try the command-line tools. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 LOPSA member since December 2005. See http://www.lopsa.org/. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
