Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
On 31-May-2009, at 19:23, Mark Sapiro wrote: LuKreme wrote: Is there anyway to have it never ever use the new (well, not new anymore, I suppose) alphabetic chunks no matter what? I'd much prefer 100 per page, for as many pages as it takes. It's been an RFE for some time https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/266715. I understand that for lists of one or two hundred members, it might be desirable to show two to four pages of 50, but with thousands of members, the alphabetic chunks may be preferred. Yep, I can see that for lists of thousands of users it might be useful. But really, that's a tiny minority of lists. Most mailing lists are from a couple of dozen to a couple of hundred users. It seems like a tiered 'chunk size' might be useful. (Under 500 users, use x users per page, over 500 use alphabetics pages). Or, probably the best solution, given a list of say 198 users and a chunk-size of 50, display the pages like this: A-Fr Fu-Le Li-Ru Sa-Za (50) (50) (50) (48) assuming that users include a...@example.com and f...@example.com and fun...@example.com and l...@example.com and li...@example.com and rug...@example.com and sa...@example.com and z...@example.com. You're welcome to submit a patch. Ah, well, yeah. That might be realistic if 1) I was a real programmer instead of just a dabbler and 2) I spoke python. -- Beware of the Leopard! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
On Mon, 1 Jun 2009, LuKreme wrote: It's been an RFE for some time https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/266715. I understand that for lists of one or two hundred members, it might be desirable to show two to four pages of 50, but with thousands of members, the alphabetic chunks may be preferred. Rather than limit the display to addresses beginning with the specified letter, why not just have the listing *start* at the specified letter, but continue to the end of the full list of members? If I select 'P' the list would start at 'P' and continue with 'Q' and 'R' up to 50 per page, and if I click the 'next' link, it would just keep going to the end of the list... Is there some efficiency to limiting the display to one letter of the alphabet? - C -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
Charles Gregory wrote: Rather than limit the display to addresses beginning with the specified letter, why not just have the listing *start* at the specified letter, but continue to the end of the full list of members? If I select 'P' the list would start at 'P' and continue with 'Q' and 'R' up to 50 per page, and if I click the 'next' link, it would just keep going to the end of the list... Is there some efficiency to limiting the display to one letter of the alphabet? The Mailman web interface is being totally reimplemented for Mailman 3.0. I have no interest in making these kinds of changes before that. If someone does a good implementation of this, I'm happy to look at it and possibly pick it up, but I'm not going to do it. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
On 1-Mar-2009, at 08:22, Mark Sapiro wrote: This is not the way the Membership Management... - Membership List page in recent Mailman works. If there are more than admin_member_chunksize members, the list is broken into pages by the first character of the email address. I have a list with 32 users and I get this (annoying) display instead of just a list of users. As far as I could tell, there is no default value for this, and if it is unset, even one users causes this display. I have mm_cfg.py:ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 100 mm_cfg.py:DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 100 (The first value did nothing so I tried the second as well) But am still getting the initial letter display in the membership screen 33 members total, 1 shown. Is there some way to disable this completely? I want a display that shows the first 50 users (or 25, or 100, or whatever I set) on the first screen, then the next chunk on the next screen, c. This initial letter thing is wretched. -- I laugh in the face of danger. Then I hide until it goes away. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
LuKreme wrote: I have a list with 32 users and I get this (annoying) display instead of just a list of users. As far as I could tell, there is no default value for this, and if it is unset, even one users causes this display. What does the above mean? I have mm_cfg.py:ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 100 As you notice, this does nothing. mm_cfg.py:DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 100 (The first value did nothing so I tried the second as well) The second sets the default value for the admin_member_chunksize attribute of a newly created list. But am still getting the initial letter display in the membership screen 33 members total, 1 shown. Is there some way to disable this completely? I want a display that shows the first 50 users (or 25, or 100, or whatever I set) on the first screen, then the next chunk on the next screen, c. This initial letter thing is wretched. Recent versions of Mailman allow you to set admin_member_chunksize on the list's General Options page. If your Mailman doesn't support this, you need to use bin/withlist or bin/config_list to set it. E.g., #!/bin/sh f=`mktemp` echo admin_member_chunksize = 5000 $f bin/config_list -i $f LISTNAME rm $f (don't try to set it to 0, it will break the Membership List page). -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
On 31-May-2009, at 15:15, Mark Sapiro wrote: #!/bin/sh f=`mktemp` echo admin_member_chunksize = 5000 $f bin/config_list -i $f LISTNAME rm $f this got me: usage: mktemp [-d] [-q] [-t prefix] [-u] template ... mktemp [-d] [-q] [-u] -t prefix I did this manually and got: Non-standard property restored: admin_member_chunksize is that an error or a success? -- Two, Four, Six, Eight! Time to Transubstantiate! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
LuKreme wrote: On 31-May-2009, at 15:15, Mark Sapiro wrote: #!/bin/sh f=`mktemp` echo admin_member_chunksize = 5000 $f bin/config_list -i $f LISTNAME rm $f this got me: usage: mktemp [-d] [-q] [-t prefix] [-u] template ... mktemp [-d] [-q] [-u] -t prefix Sorry, my mktemp doesn't require a 'template'. I did this manually and got: Non-standard property restored: admin_member_chunksize is that an error or a success? That is a success, it means that admin_member_chunksize is a list attribute but is not in the GUI. So now your Membership List for that list will be all on one page until it exceeds 5000 members at which point it will be in alphabetical chunks. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
On 31-May-2009, at 15:48, Mark Sapiro wrote: So now your Membership List for that list will be all on one page until it exceeds 5000 members at which point it will be in alphabetical chunks. Well, I set it to 100, not 5000 :) Is there anyway to have it never ever use the new (well, not new anymore, I suppose) alphabetic chunks no matter what? I'd much prefer 100 per page, for as many pages as it takes. -- Nothing gold can stay -- Robert Frost Stay gold -- Johnny Cade -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
LuKreme wrote: Is there anyway to have it never ever use the new (well, not new anymore, I suppose) alphabetic chunks no matter what? I'd much prefer 100 per page, for as many pages as it takes. It's been an RFE for some time https://bugs.launchpad.net/mailman/+bug/266715. I understand that for lists of one or two hundred members, it might be desirable to show two to four pages of 50, but with thousands of members, the alphabetic chunks may be preferred. You're welcome to submit a patch. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
Hi Mark, What Mailman version is this... Not sure as it is supplied by my host at hostgo.com You aren't by chance seeing only the 152 As (or whatever's first) ... AHH! That was exactly the problem. So there really was no problem, just cockpit error. Thanks a bunch. Ed Corcoran -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
Ed Corcoran wrote: I have 1869 members on my mailing list. How do you know ? My Membership List only displays 152 of them -- 150 in blocks of 50 (as per my Chunk Size) and a 4th page with only 2. What Mailman version is this and where are you seeing these members? This is not the way the Membership Management... - Membership List page in recent Mailman works. If there are more than admin_member_chunksize members, the list is broken into pages by the first character of the email address. Prior to 2.1.12 there was a bug that wouldn't show the pages for addresses beginning with a non-alphanumeric, but that's unlikely to affect more than a few of your members. I have added and subtracted members with no problem, and when I send a message it apparently goes to everyone, but I can only see the 152 in the listing. A number of those I added since then I marked NO to both Send welcome messages to new subscribees? Send notifications of new subscriptions to the list owner? Does that mean the list didn't even add to itself?? No. What do I have to do to get all the members to show up on the Membership List?? They should be there. If members are hidden, they may not show up on the roster page depending on Mailman version and how you authenticated, but all members should be on the Membership Management... - Membership List pages in any case. What does the heading of this table look like? It should be something similar to 415 members total, 16 shown [A] B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P R S T V W Z You aren't by chance seeing only the 152 As (or whatever's first) and never looking at the other letters/digits? If there are more than admin_member_chunksize memners in one letter, there will be links at the bottom of the table to see the other members within that letter but you still have to click the other letters to see the other members. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
On Sun, 2009-03-01 at 07:22 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote: You aren't by chance seeing only the 152 As (or whatever's first) and never looking at the other letters/digits? Definitive count of list members: sudo su - mailman list_members listname |wc -l -- Lindsay Haisley | The difference between | PGP public key FMP Computer Services | a duck is because one | available at 512-259-1190 | leg is both the same | http://pubkeys.fmp.com http://www.fmp.com| - Anonymous | -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
[Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
I have 1869 members on my mailing list. My Membership List only displays 152 of them -- 150 in blocks of 50 (as per my Chunk Size) and a 4th page with only 2. I have added and subtracted members with no problem, and when I send a message it apparently goes to everyone, but I can only see the 152 in the listing. A number of those I added since then I marked NO to both Send welcome messages to new subscribees? Send notifications of new subscriptions to the list owner? Does that mean the list didn't even add to itself?? What do I have to do to get all the members to show up on the Membership List?? Ed Corcoran -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
Mark Pallo wrote: Under the menu path of Membership Management...[Membership List] I am trying to enter a search string which will return the entire list of my members when using Find member (help): Can someone provide me with the proper search string? I am using 2.1.5. Lots of patterns will work, e.g. ^.* The problem is that if the number of matches is greater than DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE (which defaults to 30), the list will be still be broken into pages of no more than DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE members per page. If you just want a list of the member's e-mail addresses, try http://www.example.com/mailman/roster/list-name although this won't show hidden members. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
[Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
Hello, Under the menu path of Membership Management...[Membership List] I am trying to enter a search string which will return the entire list of my members when using Find member (help): Can someone provide me with the proper search string? I am using 2.1.5. Thank you -Mark -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Re: [Mailman-Users] Displaying Entire Membership List
At 6:15 PM -0400 2004-10-02, Mark Pallo wrote: Under the menu path of Membership Management...[Membership List] I am trying to enter a search string which will return the entire list of my members when using Find member (help): Can someone provide me with the proper search string? I am using 2.1.5. I don't think that's possible. You could use the list_members command from the command line. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. -- Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790), reply of the Pennsylvania Assembly to the Governor, November 11, 1755 SAGE member since 1995. See http://www.sage.org/ for more info. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
