Re: [Mailman-Users] MM3 book in the works

[Rich Kulawiec]

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 06:34:03PM +, Tom Browder wrote:
> Good deal, Rich, that book is sorely needed IMHO! Is there any place we can
> sign up to get a copy or see its status?

I'm currently shoving Markdown into my brain at an accelerated pace
while simultaneously stitching together a number of already-written
modules into something that might vaguely resemble cohesive chapters.
This is not happening in a particular order, e.g., chapters 7 and 3
may emerge before chapter 1.  But as soon as they're ready, I'll make
pieces available for review.

---rsk
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Re: [Mailman-Users] MM3 book in the works

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Besides Rich's forthcoming book, Barry has an existing chapter on
Mailman's architecture in The Architecture of Open Source
Applications, Vol. II (eds. Amy Brown and Greg Wilson).

Tom Browder writes:
 > On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:07 Rich Kulawiec  wrote:

 > > I've been working on a book about mailing list management and usage --
 > > including MTAs, MLMs (such as Mailman), processes, best practices, etc.
 > > The MM material to this point has been MM2-centric, but I've been running
 > > various instances of MM3 and accumulating experience with it.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] MM3 book in the works

[Barry Warsaw]

On Jan 13, 2018, at 09:38, Rich Kulawiec  wrote:

> I've been working on a book about mailing list management and usage --
> including MTAs, MLMs (such as Mailman), processes, best practices, etc.
> The MM material to this point has been MM2-centric, but I've been running
> various instances of MM3 and accumulating experience with it.
> 
> This is intended -- somewhat -- as a modern version of "Managing
> Mailing Lists" by Schwartz, which is now 20 years old.  Obviously
> the landscape has changed quite a bit since then; I don't think
> we need to worry much about UUCP-style addresses any more, but we
> do need to worry about DMARC.  And so on.
> 
> I can't see leaving out MM2 at this point, because a LOT of people are
> running and are going to be running it for years.  But it would seem
> a disservice not to cover MM3.  So I suspect, at the risk of some
> duplication, both with have to make the cut.

Very cool, Rich.  And I think you’ve got exactly the right focus.  Best of luck 
and do let us know when you’ve got something you need reviewed, or if you have 
any questions at all (esp. regarding MM3).

-Barry



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Re: [Mailman-Users] MM3 book in the works

[Tom Browder]

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 12:07 Rich Kulawiec  wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 05:27:01PM +, Tom Browder wrote:
> > I would love to see a new book on MM3.  Anyone know of such a project
> > proposed or in the works?
>
> I've been working on a book about mailing list management and usage --
> including MTAs, MLMs (such as Mailman), processes, best practices, etc.
> The MM material to this point has been MM2-centric, but I've been running
> various instances of MM3 and accumulating experience with it.


Good deal, Rich, that book is sorely needed IMHO! Is there any place we can
sign up to get a copy or see its status?

Best regards,

-Tom
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Re: [Mailman-Users] MM3 book in the works

[Rich Kulawiec]

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 05:27:01PM +, Tom Browder wrote:
> I would love to see a new book on MM3.  Anyone know of such a project
> proposed or in the works?

I've been working on a book about mailing list management and usage --
including MTAs, MLMs (such as Mailman), processes, best practices, etc.
The MM material to this point has been MM2-centric, but I've been running
various instances of MM3 and accumulating experience with it.

This is intended -- somewhat -- as a modern version of "Managing
Mailing Lists" by Schwartz, which is now 20 years old.  Obviously
the landscape has changed quite a bit since then; I don't think
we need to worry much about UUCP-style addresses any more, but we
do need to worry about DMARC.  And so on.

I can't see leaving out MM2 at this point, because a LOT of people are
running and are going to be running it for years.  But it would seem
a disservice not to cover MM3.  So I suspect, at the risk of some
duplication, both with have to make the cut.

---rsk
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[Mailman-Users] MM3 book in the works

[Tom Browder]

I would love to see a new book on MM3.  Anyone know of such a project
proposed or in the works?

FWIW, the new Perl 6 world (see https://perl6.org) has produced several
books in the last year and some were started via various “fund me” websites.

Best regards,

-Tom
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