Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped archiving

[Mark Sapiro]

On 10/30/2016 05:04 AM, Mustafa Akgul wrote:

> there is nothing im Mailman error lohg.  same ith qrunner.


If there is truly nothing in Mailman's qrunner log, either you are not
looking at the right logs or the logs have been rotated and the relevant
information is in an older log or gone.


> ArchRunning is not running.


That is the problem, but the question is why?


> under qfiles there is nothing in all directories except an entry in 2014 in 
> virgin directory?


If messages are being posted and delivered and ArchRunner is not
running, there must be entries in Malman's archive queue. If you don't
see them, you are not looking at the right queues.


> I do not run anything in cron regarding mailman.


There are several Mailman crons that should be run for other reasons,
but that's not the issue here.

Restarting Mailman may help, but until we know why ArchRunner isn't
running and fix it, the issue may just recur.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped archiving

[Mustafa Akgul]

>On 10/27/2016 10:17 AM, Mustafa Akgul wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I have debain 7.11  , mailman  2.1.5-1 i386
>> I have a few lists. All  stopped archiving.
>> LISTNAME.mbox is not updateing
>> I have run chech_perms -f as root. /usr/lib/mailman  permissions are OK, and 
>> permissions of non-links  ar OK.
>
>
>What's in Mailman's error log. Are the messages shunted?
>
>Is ArchRunner running? (whats in Mailman's qrunner log?)
>
>What's in Mailman's qfiles/archive? qfiles/shunt?
>
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there is nothing im Mailman error lohg.  same ith qrunner.

ArchRunning is not running.  under qfiles there is nothing in all directories 
except an entry in 2014 in virgin directory?
I do not run anything in cron regarding mailman.

Any suggestions?

Regards
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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman stopped archiving

[Mark Sapiro]

On 10/27/2016 10:17 AM, Mustafa Akgul wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I have debain 7.11  , mailman  2.1.5-1 i386
> I have a few lists. All  stopped archiving.
> LISTNAME.mbox is not updateing
> I have run chech_perms -f as root. /usr/lib/mailman  permissions are OK, and 
> permissions of non-links  ar OK.


What's in Mailman's error log. Are the messages shunted?

Is ArchRunner running? (whats in Mailman's qrunner log?)

What's in Mailman's qfiles/archive? qfiles/shunt?

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[Mailman-Users] mailman stopped archiving

[Mustafa Akgul]

Hello,
I have debain 7.11  , mailman  2.1.5-1 i386
I have a few lists. All  stopped archiving.
LISTNAME.mbox is not updateing
I have run chech_perms -f as root. /usr/lib/mailman  permissions are OK, and 
permissions of non-links  ar OK.

I have also  added w permission to all for directories.
Nothing happend.

Any suggestions ?

Best regards

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman digest archiving and lurker

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Alexander Gran wrote:

The thing is, that there are no attachments in the mailman folder any more:
mail:/var/lib/mailman/archives/news/attachments# l 2009*
ls: 2009*: No such file or directory
Therefore a redirect won't work.


Try /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/news/attachments

or whatever the list name (news?) is.

Also /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/news/, but that should just be a
symlink to /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/news/.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman digest archiving and lurker

[Alexander Gran]

Am Mittwoch 11 März 2009 16:05:41 schrieb Mark Sapiro:
 Alexander Gran wrote:
 That results in a 404, as lurker has a different mean of providing the
 attachments. Any idea how to still use the mailman archiver for that.

 You could put a redirect in your web server to redirect
 https://hostname/lurker/list/news.html/attachments/ to
 https://hostname/pipermail/list/attachments/ or whatever the correct

The thing is, that there are no attachments in the mailman folder any more:
mail:/var/lib/mailman/archives/news/attachments# l 2009*
ls: 2009*: No such file or directory
Therefore a redirect won't work.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman digest archiving and lurker

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Am Donnerstag 12 März 2009 01:43:52 schrieb Mark Sapiro:
 What if anything have you set in mm_cfg.py for PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR
 and PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR. That's where Scrubber will try to store
 the attachments. It either succeeds or it encounters an error which
 would be reported in Mailman's error log and would probably prevent
 the digest from being sent so presumably, Scrubber is succeeding.

These are not set:
mail:/etc/mailman# /usr/sbin/config_list -o - news | grep FILE_DIR
mail:/etc/mailman#

No errors in mailman log.

regards
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman digest archiving and lurker

[Alexander Gran]

Am Donnerstag 12 März 2009 16:38:27 schrieb Mark Sapiro:
 Try /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/news/attachments



Ok, that works with a symlink. It's a kludge, but thanks :)



regards
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman digest archiving and lurker

[Alexander Gran]

Hi,

I'm using lurker to make the web archive for a mailman mailing list.
However mailman now uses wrong links in plain-text-digest for attachments,
e.g.:
https://hostname/lurker/list/news.html/attachments/20090304/be6930bd/attachment.png
 

That results in a 404, as lurker has a different mean of providing the 
attachments. Any idea how to still use the mailman archiver for that.

regards
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman digest archiving and lurker

[Mark Sapiro]

Alexander Gran wrote:

I'm using lurker to make the web archive for a mailman mailing list.
However mailman now uses wrong links in plain-text-digest for attachments,
e.g.:
https://hostname/lurker/list/news.html/attachments/20090304/be6930bd/attachment.png
 

That results in a 404, as lurker has a different mean of providing the 
attachments. Any idea how to still use the mailman archiver for that.


You could put a redirect in your web server to redirect
https://hostname/lurker/list/news.html/attachments/ to
https://hostname/pipermail/list/attachments/ or whatever the correct
URL is.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman digest archiving and lurker

[Grant Taylor]

On 03/11/09 10:05, Mark Sapiro wrote:
You could put a redirect in your web server to redirect 
https://hostname/lurker/list/news.html/attachments/ to 
https://hostname/pipermail/list/attachments/ or whatever the correct 
URL is.


This is a viable work around.

But, is there a way to correct the actual problem of the wrong URL 
rather than having to work around the problem?




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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman digest archiving and lurker

[Mark Sapiro]

Grant Taylor wrote:

But, is there a way to correct the actual problem of the wrong URL 
rather than having to work around the problem?


Scrubber builds the URL from PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL which is also used to
build URLs pointing to the actual archive, so one or the other will be
wrong.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman digest archiving and lurker

[Mark Sapiro]

Alexander Gran wrote:


Am Mittwoch 11 März 2009 16:05:41 schrieb Mark Sapiro:
 Alexander Gran wrote:
 That results in a 404, as lurker has a different mean of providing the
 attachments. Any idea how to still use the mailman archiver for that.

 You could put a redirect in your web server to redirect
 https://hostname/lurker/list/news.html/attachments/ to
 https://hostname/pipermail/list/attachments/ or whatever the correct

The thing is, that there are no attachments in the mailman folder any more:
mail:/var/lib/mailman/archives/news/attachments# l 2009*
ls: 2009*: No such file or directory
Therefore a redirect won't work.


What if anything have you set in mm_cfg.py for PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR
and PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_FILE_DIR. That's where Scrubber will try to store
the attachments. It either succeeds or it encounters an error which
would be reported in Mailman's error log and would probably prevent
the digest from being sent so presumably, Scrubber is succeeding.

Once you know where the attachments are, you can presumably put
whatever is necessary in the web server to get to them.

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[Mailman-Users] mailman not archiving

[Anne Hammond]

I moved a mailing list from another host.

First on the target host, created a similar list, then used
add_members -f {from list_members on old host} list name.

Then I tarred the archives from the old host,
mv'd /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/list to list.save
untarred the archives into the same list name

The top level directory is
drwxrwsr-x   36 apache  mailman 4096 Dec 22 11:51 list-users

The next level down is owned by mailman.mailman.

In the web interface, the archiving option is set to yes.

How can I troubleshoot?  I've read the FAQ but didn't find a
recipe for migrating to another host (perhaps I should write it :)

Thanks in advance.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not archiving

[Mark Sapiro]

Anne Hammond wrote:

How can I troubleshoot?  I've read the FAQ but didn't find a
recipe for migrating to another host (perhaps I should write it :)


Are there entries in any of Mailman's qfiles directories - particularly
archive/ and shunt/? Are other lists on this this installation
archiving? What's in Mailman's 'error' log?

The preferred way to move archives is to move the
archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file and then run
'bin/arch --wipe listname', although this can have problems too,
particularly if the archives go back a long way.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not archiving

[Anne Hammond]

Thanks for the message and hints.  The archives go back to 2003.

On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 Anne Hammond wrote:

 How can I troubleshoot?  I've read the FAQ but didn't find a
 recipe for migrating to another host (perhaps I should write it :)


 Are there entries in any of Mailman's qfiles directories - particularly
 archive/ and shunt/? Are other lists on this this installation
 archiving? What's in Mailman's 'error' log?

There are no messages in archive/ or shunt/

Other lists are definitely archiving right away.

There is nothing in /var/log/mailman/error for this email list.

I could check bin/arch --wipe listname.

Any other suggestions, list??

Thanks so much.

 The preferred way to move archives is to move the
 archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file and then run
 'bin/arch --wipe listname', although this can have problems too,
 particularly if the archives go back a long way.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not archiving

[Mark Sapiro]

Anne Hammond wrote:

There are no messages in archive/ or shunt/

Other lists are definitely archiving right away.


OK. Archiving in general works and ArchRunner is running (processing
the archive/ queue). No messages are shunted for archiving exceptions.


There is nothing in /var/log/mailman/error for this email list.


What is in /var/log/mailman/error? An error might not explicitly
identify the list.


I could check bin/arch --wipe listname.


Are new messages being added to the
archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file?

It seems like a permissions issue, but that should normally result in
error log entries and shunted messages.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not archiving

[Mark Sapiro]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

It seems like a permissions issue, but that should normally result in
error log entries and shunted messages.


Have there been many posts to the list or only a few? Is it possible
they all had X-No-Archive: or X-Archive: no headers?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not archiving

[Anne Hammond]

The one thing I didn't do was restart mailman.

The top level directory is owned by apache.mailman--Do I need
to restart apache??

Thanks for your message.

See other answers inline below.

The list that has been migrated is vorpal-users.

NOT WORKING:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] vorpal-users]# ls -la
total 56
drwxrwsr-x   2 apache  mailman  4096 Dec 22 18:25 .
drwxrwsr-x  61 rootmailman  4096 Dec 15 00:15 ..
-rw-rw   1 apache  mailman 13789 Dec 22 16:21 config.pck
-rw-rw   1 apache  mailman 13237 Dec 22 16:21 config.pck.last
-rw-rw   1 mailman mailman  4632 Dec 22 14:12 digest.mbox
-rw-rw   1 mailman mailman   132 Dec 22 14:29 pending.pck
-rw-rw-r--   1 apache  mailman24 Dec 22 16:21 request.pck

WORKING:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ucm-devel]# ls -la
total 20
drwxrwsr-x   2 apache  mailman 4096 Dec 22 17:48 .
drwxrwsr-x  61 rootmailman 4096 Dec 15 00:15 ..
-rw-rw   1 mailman mailman 3940 Dec 22 17:48 config.pck
-rw-rw   1 mailman mailman 3940 Dec 22 17:48 config.pck.last
-rw-rw   1 mailman mailman 1805 Dec 22 17:48 digest.mbox
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ucm-devel]#

Both messages sent to this list today are in digest.mbox.


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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 Anne Hammond wrote:

 There are no messages in archive/ or shunt/

 Other lists are definitely archiving right away.


 OK. Archiving in general works and ArchRunner is running (processing
 the archive/ queue). No messages are shunted for archiving exceptions.


 There is nothing in /var/log/mailman/error for this email list.


 What is in /var/log/mailman/error? An error might not explicitly
 identify the list.

var/log/mailman/error:
Dec 17 09:33:24 2006 (19861) admin.py access for non-existent list: 
rm05submit
Dec 17 17:13:52 2006 (22929) No such list mapa-users:
Dec 17 18:39:15 2006 (23426) No such list farsight-users:
Dec 17 23:11:00 2006 (25598) No such list mapa-users:
Dec 18 10:26:42 2006 (31034) No such list farsight-users:
Dec 18 20:32:43 2006 (14205) No such list farsight-users:
Dec 18 20:43:24 2006 (14324) No such list farsight-users:
Dec 19 10:09:55 2006 (20409) No such list mapa-users:
Dec 20 20:50:12 2006 (22385) No such list mapa-users:
Dec 20 20:50:54 2006 (22390) No such list farsight-users:
Dec 21 08:36:15 2006 (27762) No such list facets-svn:
Dec 21 08:36:41 2006 (27766) No such list facets-svn:
Dec 22 05:09:50 2006 (5023) No such list mapa-users:
Dec 22 11:24:00 2006 (7790) No such list vorpal-devel:

Dec 22 11:36:55 2006 (7960) No such list vorpal-devel:

Dec 22 11:38:11 2006 (7974) No such list vorpal-devel:

(hmm--why the blank lines??)


 I could check bin/arch --wipe listname.


 Are new messages being added to the
 archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file?

 It seems like a permissions issue, but that should normally result in
 error log entries and shunted messages.



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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not archiving

[Anne Hammond]

Only 2 posts.

I looked through the headers, and there are not options
not to archive.


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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 Mark Sapiro wrote:

 It seems like a permissions issue, but that should normally result in
 error log entries and shunted messages.


 Have there been many posts to the list or only a few? Is it possible
 they all had X-No-Archive: or X-Archive: no headers?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not archiving

[Mark Sapiro]

Anne Hammond wrote:

The one thing I didn't do was restart mailman.

The top level directory is owned by apache.mailman--Do I need
to restart apache??


Apache has nothing to do with archiving. The lists/listname directory
is owned by apache because the list was created via the web interface.

Restarting Mailman should not be required either.




Both messages sent to this list today are in digest.mbox.


What about archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox? Are
the two messages there?


 It seems like a permissions issue, but that should normally result in
 error log entries and shunted messages.


Check permissions and ownership on the entire
archives/private/vorpal-users/ and archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/
directories and subordinates and compare with the
archives/private/ucm-devel/ and archives/private/ucm-devel.mbox/
directories and subordinates.

You might also try running 'bin/check_perms'

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not archiving

[Mark Sapiro]

Anne Hammond wrote:

var/log/mailman/error:
Dec 17 09:33:24 2006 (19861) admin.py access for non-existent list: 
rm05submit
Dec 17 17:13:52 2006 (22929) No such list mapa-users:
Dec 17 18:39:15 2006 (23426) No such list farsight-users:
Dec 17 23:11:00 2006 (25598) No such list mapa-users:
Dec 18 10:26:42 2006 (31034) No such list farsight-users:
Dec 18 20:32:43 2006 (14205) No such list farsight-users:
Dec 18 20:43:24 2006 (14324) No such list farsight-users:
Dec 19 10:09:55 2006 (20409) No such list mapa-users:
Dec 20 20:50:12 2006 (22385) No such list mapa-users:
Dec 20 20:50:54 2006 (22390) No such list farsight-users:
Dec 21 08:36:15 2006 (27762) No such list facets-svn:
Dec 21 08:36:41 2006 (27766) No such list facets-svn:
Dec 22 05:09:50 2006 (5023) No such list mapa-users:
Dec 22 11:24:00 2006 (7790) No such list vorpal-devel:

Dec 22 11:36:55 2006 (7960) No such list vorpal-devel:

Dec 22 11:38:11 2006 (7974) No such list vorpal-devel:

(hmm--why the blank lines??)


The various CGI scripts that write that log message are not consistent
in the format. admindb, options, private, rmlist and subscribe add an
extra newline; confirm, edithtml, listinfo and roster do not.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not archiving

[Anne Hammond]

The two messages are in 
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox.

Now here is the problem.  I thought this list was created today, but
it turns out that it was created  9.May.2006.  There are 9 messages
in vorpal-users.mbox that were there before, with the 2 from today
at the end.

The 9 earlier messages are not in the archives.  They don't need
to be.

Can I hand edit this file and maybe run a cleanarch?


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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 Anne Hammond wrote:

 The one thing I didn't do was restart mailman.

 The top level directory is owned by apache.mailman--Do I need
 to restart apache??


 Apache has nothing to do with archiving. The lists/listname directory
 is owned by apache because the list was created via the web interface.

 Restarting Mailman should not be required either.




 Both messages sent to this list today are in digest.mbox.


 What about archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox? Are
 the two messages there?


 It seems like a permissions issue, but that should normally result in
 error log entries and shunted messages.


 Check permissions and ownership on the entire
 archives/private/vorpal-users/ and archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/
 directories and subordinates and compare with the
 archives/private/ucm-devel/ and archives/private/ucm-devel.mbox/
 directories and subordinates.

 You might also try running 'bin/check_perms'

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not archiving

[Mark Sapiro]

Anne Hammond wrote:

The two messages are in 
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox.


/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox or
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox?

/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox should be a
directory that contains the
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox
file.

Assuming that's what you meant, that means that archiving to
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox
is working, but pipermail archiving is not.


Now here is the problem.  I thought this list was created today, but
it turns out that it was created  9.May.2006.  There are 9 messages
in vorpal-users.mbox that were there before, with the 2 from today
at the end.

The 9 earlier messages are not in the archives.  They don't need
to be.


I'm guessing that the 9 messages were in the pipermail archive but were
lost when you moved over the other archive.


Can I hand edit this file and maybe run a cleanarch?


Here's my suggestion.

Get the archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox file from
the other machine and append either the two or the eleven messages to
it so you have one
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox
file with all the messages you want archived.

Run bin/cleanarch with the '-n' option and the overall .mbox as input.
If it gives any Unix-From line changed: messages, then move the
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox
file and rerun bin/cleanarch without '-n' to create a 'cleaned'
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox
file.

Then run 'bin/arch --wipe vorpal-users' to remove and rebuild the
pipermail archive.

See
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.003.htp
for more info about this. Be aware, that it's possible that the
bin/arch --wipe will cause messages to be assigned different numbers
in the archive, thus invalidating saved URLs pointing to archived
messages, but I gather that at least the host portion of the URL
changed anyway.

Once you have rebuilt the archive in this way, it should work from now
on.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not archiving

[Anne Hammond]

I will implement your latest suggestion.

Here is what I found out. The new email list was implemented
with Quarterly archiving.  The old email list had Monthly
archiving.

So when you looked at the web page for the current month,
the messages from today were in Fourth quarter 2006 Archives
by thread--not in December 2006.

So the 2 messages from today  were being archived, but by a
different schedule and to a different directory.

I will change the archiving option to Montly for the new archive,
and then sort through what you have suggested.


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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 Anne Hammond wrote:

 The two messages are in
 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox.


 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox or
 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox?

 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox should be a
 directory that contains the
 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox
 file.

 Assuming that's what you meant, that means that archiving to
 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox
 is working, but pipermail archiving is not.


 Now here is the problem.  I thought this list was created today, but
 it turns out that it was created  9.May.2006.  There are 9 messages
 in vorpal-users.mbox that were there before, with the 2 from today
 at the end.

 The 9 earlier messages are not in the archives.  They don't need
 to be.


 I'm guessing that the 9 messages were in the pipermail archive but were
 lost when you moved over the other archive.


 Can I hand edit this file and maybe run a cleanarch?


 Here's my suggestion.

 Get the archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox file from
 the other machine and append either the two or the eleven messages to
 it so you have one
 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox
 file with all the messages you want archived.

 Run bin/cleanarch with the '-n' option and the overall .mbox as input.
 If it gives any Unix-From line changed: messages, then move the
 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox
 file and rerun bin/cleanarch without '-n' to create a 'cleaned'
 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox
 file.

 Then run 'bin/arch --wipe vorpal-users' to remove and rebuild the
 pipermail archive.

 See
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.003.htp
 for more info about this. Be aware, that it's possible that the
 bin/arch --wipe will cause messages to be assigned different numbers
 in the archive, thus invalidating saved URLs pointing to archived
 messages, but I gather that at least the host portion of the URL
 changed anyway.

 Once you have rebuilt the archive in this way, it should work from now
 on.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not archiving

[Anne Hammond]

Since 
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox
(thanks for the correction)
contains only the 11 messages from the 2006-December archive, what
will happen to all these dirs from
/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users:



drwxrwsr-x2 mailman mailman4096 Sep 16 07:46 2003-August
-rw-rw-r--1 mailman mailman7134 Sep 16 07:46 2003-August.txt
-rw-rw-r--1 mailman mailman2687 Sep 16 07:46 2003-August.txt.gz
drwxrwsr-x2 mailman mailman4096 Sep 16 07:46 2003-December
-rw-rw-r--1 mailman mailman   13200 Sep 16 07:46 2003-December.txt
-rw-rw-r--1 mailman mailman3794 Sep 16 07:46 2003-December.txt.gz
drwxrwsr-x2 mailman mailman4096 Sep 16 07:46 2003-November
-rw-rw-r--1 mailman mailman 1526919 Sep 16 07:46 2003-November.txt
-rw-rw-r--1 mailman mailman   32114 Sep 16 07:46 2003-November.txt.gz
drwxrwsr-x2 mailman mailman4096 Sep 16 07:46 2003-September
-rw-rw-r--1 mailman mailman5292 Sep 16 07:46 2003-September.txt
-rw-rw-r--1 mailman mailman2826 Sep 16 07:46 2003-September.txt.gz
drwxrwsr-x2 mailman mailman4096 Sep 16 07:46 2004-April
-rw-rw-r--1 mailman mailman2122 Sep 16 07:46 2004-April.txt
-rw-rw-r--1 mailman mailman1066 Sep 16 07:46 2004-April.txt.gz
drwxrwsr-x2 mailman mailman4096 Sep 16 07:46 2004-August
-rw-rw-r--1 mailman mailman   54522 Sep 16 07:46 2004-August.txt
-rw-rw-r--1 mailman mailman   11181 Sep 16 07:46 2004-August.txt.gz
drwxrwsr-x2 mailman mailman4096 Sep 16 07:46 2004-December
-rw-rw-r--1 mailman mailman   13793 Sep 16 07:46 2004-December.txt
-rw-rw-r--1 mailman mailman2590 Sep 16 07:46 2004-December.txt.gz
.


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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 Anne Hammond wrote:

 The two messages are in
 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox.


 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox or
 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox?

 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox should be a
 directory that contains the
 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox
 file.

 Assuming that's what you meant, that means that archiving to
 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox
 is working, but pipermail archiving is not.


 Now here is the problem.  I thought this list was created today, but
 it turns out that it was created  9.May.2006.  There are 9 messages
 in vorpal-users.mbox that were there before, with the 2 from today
 at the end.

 The 9 earlier messages are not in the archives.  They don't need
 to be.


 I'm guessing that the 9 messages were in the pipermail archive but were
 lost when you moved over the other archive.


 Can I hand edit this file and maybe run a cleanarch?


 Here's my suggestion.

 Get the archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox file from
 the other machine and append either the two or the eleven messages to
 it so you have one
 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox
 file with all the messages you want archived.

 Run bin/cleanarch with the '-n' option and the overall .mbox as input.
 If it gives any Unix-From line changed: messages, then move the
 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox
 file and rerun bin/cleanarch without '-n' to create a 'cleaned'
 /var/lib/mailman/archives/private/vorpal-users.mbox/vorpal-users.mbox
 file.

 Then run 'bin/arch --wipe vorpal-users' to remove and rebuild the
 pipermail archive.

 See
 http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.003.htp
 for more info about this. Be aware, that it's possible that the
 bin/arch --wipe will cause messages to be assigned different numbers
 in the archive, thus invalidating saved URLs pointing to archived
 messages, but I gather that at least the host portion of the URL
 changed anyway.

 Once you have rebuilt the archive in this way, it should work from now
 on.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not archiving

[Anne Hammond]

/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/{list}.mbox/{list}.mbox

contains all email messages since inception of the mailing list.

So it should create a new archive containing all of the
email messages since inception.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not archiving

[Mark Sapiro]

Anne Hammond wrote:

/var/lib/mailman/archives/private/{list}.mbox/{list}.mbox

contains all email messages since inception of the mailing list.

So it should create a new archive containing all of the
email messages since inception.


I'm not sure what you are saying above, but I think it is correct. If
you get the archives/private/{list}.mbox/{list}.mbox file from the old
system which contains the messages from August, 2003 to the move, and
append to it those new messages you want archived, then after you run
'bin/arch --wipe vorpal-users', you will have a newly built pipermail
archive with all the messages from the
archives/private/{list}.mbox/{list}.mbox file.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not archiving

[Mark Sapiro]

Anne Hammond wrote:

I will change the archiving option to Montly for the new archive,
and then sort through what you have suggested.


If you change to 'monthly' and then rebuild with bin/arch --wipe with a
complete listname.mbox file, the archive will be completely rebuilt
with monthly indexing.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman not archiving

[Anne Hammond]

SUCCESS!!

I changed the archive option to monthly
edited the vorpal-users.mbox file to include the messages desired in
   the archive
mv archive/private/vorpal-users to archive/proviate/vorpal-users.save
bin/arch vorpal-users

This created the entire new pipermail archive.




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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006, Mark Sapiro wrote:

 Anne Hammond wrote:

 I will change the archiving option to Montly for the new archive,
 and then sort through what you have suggested.


 If you change to 'monthly' and then rebuild with bin/arch --wipe with a
 complete listname.mbox file, the archive will be completely rebuilt
 with monthly indexing.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not archiving

[stupidmail4me]

OK. I'm an absolute idiot! I'm very sorry for wasting
your time. You've been absolutely right the whole time
(we both just didn't know it).

So. It never reached the archive runner so it was
never archived. It was successfully sent, but never
through the actual list. I was just using mailman@ as
a test bed before I set up my other lists. I've also
set up a virtuser in virtusertable
([EMAIL PROTECTED] to root) because you don't
really want mailman alerting you to the fact that it's
not broken. So sendmail was reading this before it got
sent to the mailman mailer!

Absolute idiot! Thank you so very much!

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 stupidmail4me wrote:
 
 Yes, the qrunner log shows the shutdown and startup
 from mailmanctl. I've also checked and ToArchive is
 in
 the pipeline (it's not commented out or changed in
 any
 conf file). This is why it's so odd.
 
 
 The patch I posted causes ToArchive to write the
 'ToArchive invoked
 message-id' message to the debug log as the very
 first thing it
 does. Therefore, the absence of this log message
 seems to say it isn't
 being invoked at all.
 
 Does the list have a 'pipeline' attribute? (Run
 'bin/dumpdb
 lists/listname/config.pck' to check.)
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not archiving

[Mark Sapiro]

stupidmail4me wrote:

It is set to Yes.

--- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is the list's archive attribute set to Yes?
 (Archiving Options in the
 web admin interface)


Apply the attached patch to your mailman installation, restart Mailman,
post a message to the list and report the contents of Mailman's
'debug' log.

To apply the patch, cd to the mailman install directory and

patch -p0  path/to/patch.txt

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--- Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py 2006-04-15 16:56:00.0 -0700
+++ Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py 2006-10-10 08:14:14.015625000 -0700
@@ -22,6 +22,7 @@
 from Mailman import mm_cfg
 from Mailman import LockFile
 from Mailman.Queue.Runner import Runner
+from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog
 
 
 
@@ -32,6 +33,7 @@
 # Support clobber_date, i.e. setting the date in the archive to the
 # received date, not the (potentially bogus) Date: header of the
 # original message.
+syslog('debug', 'ArchRunner processing %s', msg.get('message-id'))
 clobber = 0
 originaldate = msg.get('date')
 receivedtime = formatdate(msgdata['received_time'])
--- Mailman/Handlers/ToArchive.py   2006-04-15 16:56:08.0 -0700
+++ Mailman/Handlers/ToArchive.py   2006-10-10 08:14:47.453125000 -0700
@@ -22,10 +22,12 @@
 
 from Mailman import mm_cfg
 from Mailman.Queue.sbcache import get_switchboard
+from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog
 
 
 
 def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):
+syslog('debug', 'ToArchive invoked %s', msg.get('message-id'))
 # short circuits
 if msgdata.get('isdigest') or not mlist.archive:
 return
@@ -35,6 +37,7 @@
 if msg.has_key('x-no-archive') or msg.get('x-archive', '').lower() == 'no':
 return
 # Send the message to the archiver queue
+syslog('debug', 'ToArchive queueing %s', msg.get('message-id'))
 archq = get_switchboard(mm_cfg.ARCHQUEUE_DIR)
 # Send the message to the queue
 archq.enqueue(msg, msgdata)
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not archiving

[stupidmail4me]

Nothing. It doesn't create any log and there's no
appropriate entries in any log.

I've checked the headers for the delivered messages
and there's no x-archive headers (they're not being
myteriously added).

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 stupidmail4me wrote:
 
 It is set to Yes.
 
 --- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Is the list's archive attribute set to Yes?
  (Archiving Options in the
  web admin interface)
 
 
 Apply the attached patch to your mailman
 installation, restart Mailman,
 post a message to the list and report the contents
 of Mailman's
 'debug' log.
 
 To apply the patch, cd to the mailman install
 directory and
 
 patch -p0  path/to/patch.txt
 
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  --- Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py 2006-04-15
 16:56:00.0 -0700
 +++ Mailman/Queue/ArchRunner.py   2006-10-10
 08:14:14.015625000 -0700
 @@ -22,6 +22,7 @@
  from Mailman import mm_cfg
  from Mailman import LockFile
  from Mailman.Queue.Runner import Runner
 +from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog
  
  
  
 @@ -32,6 +33,7 @@
  # Support clobber_date, i.e. setting the
 date in the archive to the
  # received date, not the (potentially
 bogus) Date: header of the
  # original message.
 +syslog('debug', 'ArchRunner processing %s',
 msg.get('message-id'))
  clobber = 0
  originaldate = msg.get('date')
  receivedtime =
 formatdate(msgdata['received_time'])
 --- Mailman/Handlers/ToArchive.py 2006-04-15
 16:56:08.0 -0700
 +++ Mailman/Handlers/ToArchive.py 2006-10-10
 08:14:47.453125000 -0700
 @@ -22,10 +22,12 @@
  
  from Mailman import mm_cfg
  from Mailman.Queue.sbcache import get_switchboard
 +from Mailman.Logging.Syslog import syslog
  
  
  
  def process(mlist, msg, msgdata):
 +syslog('debug', 'ToArchive invoked %s',
 msg.get('message-id'))
  # short circuits
  if msgdata.get('isdigest') or not
 mlist.archive:
  return
 @@ -35,6 +37,7 @@
  if msg.has_key('x-no-archive') or
 msg.get('x-archive', '').lower() == 'no':
  return
  # Send the message to the archiver queue
 +syslog('debug', 'ToArchive queueing %s',
 msg.get('message-id'))
  archq = get_switchboard(mm_cfg.ARCHQUEUE_DIR)
  # Send the message to the queue
  archq.enqueue(msg, msgdata)
 


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not archiving

[Mark Sapiro]

stupidmail4me wrote:

Nothing. It doesn't create any log and there's no
appropriate entries in any log.


If you applied the patch and then restarted Mailman and you get no
'debug' log with any messages, either the ToArchive handler is not in
the pipeline, or you're not looking in the right directory for the
logs.

Does the 'qrunner' log show entries from the restart?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not archiving

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Yes, the qrunner log shows the shutdown and startup
from mailmanctl. I've also checked and ToArchive is in
the pipeline (it's not commented out or changed in any
conf file). This is why it's so odd.

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 stupidmail4me wrote:
 
 Nothing. It doesn't create any log and there's no
 appropriate entries in any log.
 
 
 If you applied the patch and then restarted Mailman
 and you get no
 'debug' log with any messages, either the ToArchive
 handler is not in
 the pipeline, or you're not looking in the right
 directory for the
 logs.
 
 Does the 'qrunner' log show entries from the
 restart?
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not archiving

[Mark Sapiro]

stupidmail4me wrote:

Yes, the qrunner log shows the shutdown and startup
from mailmanctl. I've also checked and ToArchive is in
the pipeline (it's not commented out or changed in any
conf file). This is why it's so odd.


The patch I posted causes ToArchive to write the 'ToArchive invoked
message-id' message to the debug log as the very first thing it
does. Therefore, the absence of this log message seems to say it isn't
being invoked at all.

Does the list have a 'pipeline' attribute? (Run 'bin/dumpdb
lists/listname/config.pck' to check.)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not archiving

[stupidmail4me]

Yes, ArchRunner is running...
30014 ??  I   2:00.15 /usr/local/bin/python2.3
/usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner
--runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s

But no, there's nothing in qfiles/archive.

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 Mail is sending through
 the lists appropriately, but it's not archiving at
 all. I've checked Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py and the
 list's configuration options and they're all set to
 archive. I've checked permissions in
 /var/spool/archive/* and they appear to be fine (if
 I
 give _mailman a shell I can create files).
 
 Is ArchiveRunner running? Is there anything in
 Mailman's
 qfiles/archive/ directory? Is there anything in
 Mailman's 'error' log?
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not archiving

[Mark Sapiro]

stupidmail4me wrote:

Yes, ArchRunner is running...
30014 ??  I   2:00.15 /usr/local/bin/python2.3
/usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner
--runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s

But no, there's nothing in qfiles/archive.


Once again, is there anything in Mailman's error log?

Also, are there any settings relating to archiving in mm_cfg.py? If so,
what are they?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not archiving

[stupidmail4me]

Nothing in the error logs. 

mm_cfg.py:
MTA = None
DEFAULT_URL_PATTERN = 'https://%s/'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST  = 'lists.foo.org'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST= 'lists.foo.org'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

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 stupidmail4me wrote:
 
 Yes, ArchRunner is running...
 30014 ??  I   2:00.15 /usr/local/bin/python2.3
 /usr/local/lib/mailman/bin/qrunner
 --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s
 
 But no, there's nothing in qfiles/archive.
 
 
 Once again, is there anything in Mailman's error
 log?
 
 Also, are there any settings relating to archiving
 in mm_cfg.py? If so,
 what are they?
 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not archiving

[Mark Sapiro]

stupidmail4me wrote:

Nothing in the error logs. 


Is the list's archive attribute set to Yes? (Archiving Options in the
web admin interface)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not archiving

[stupidmail4me]

It is set to Yes.

--- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 stupidmail4me wrote:
 
 Nothing in the error logs. 
 
 
 Is the list's archive attribute set to Yes?
 (Archiving Options in the
 web admin interface)
 
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman not archiving

[stupidmail4me]

I'm running Mailman-2.1.8p0 on an OpenBSD 3.9 box. I
have everything set up correctly (I've installed
successfully using older versions on older versions of
OpenBSD) as far as I can see. Mail is sending through
the lists appropriately, but it's not archiving at
all. I've checked Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py and the
list's configuration options and they're all set to
archive. I've checked permissions in
/var/spool/archive/* and they appear to be fine (if I
give _mailman a shell I can create files).

Has anyone successfully installed the package on
OpenBSD or had similar problems? Any ideas will help
as I'm all out of them.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not archiving

[Mark Sapiro]

stupidmail4me wrote:

Mail is sending through
the lists appropriately, but it's not archiving at
all. I've checked Defaults.py and mm_cfg.py and the
list's configuration options and they're all set to
archive. I've checked permissions in
/var/spool/archive/* and they appear to be fine (if I
give _mailman a shell I can create files).

Is ArchiveRunner running? Is there anything in Mailman's
qfiles/archive/ directory? Is there anything in Mailman's 'error' log?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not archiving

[Mark Sapiro]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Is ArchiveRunner running?

That should be Is ArchRunner running?. Sorry for any confusion.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.4: archiving nested multipart messages trashes structure

[Joerg Wunsch]

I'm currently evaluating Mailman for managing some closed mailing
lists in our company, and while most of the installation and use works
pretty well, I've been banging my head against a problem with nested
multipart messages.

One of our fellows used to always write his messages as
multipart/signed, consisting of the message itself, plus a detached
GnuPG signature.  In case the message itself has more than a
text/plain part (like, an attached PDF file), it becomes a nested
multipart/mixed message part.

Mailman/pipermail has been trashing that, even though hypermail (that
has been used for the purpose until now) seemingly had no problems in
dissecting the various parts, and offering them as separately
downloadable URLs.  (For other reasons, we don't want to use hypermail
anymore if possible though, so I didn't consider stuffing it as an
external archiver into Mailman in the first place.)

So you won, and made me learn Python :-).  Now after some PDB
sessions, I'm almost convinced that

--- Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py~^IMon Mar 29 12:27:36 2004
+++ Mailman/Handlers/Scrubber.py^IMon Apr 19 21:22:16 2004
@@ -294,7 +294,7 @@
 # BAW: Martin's original patch suggested we might want to try
 # generalizing to utf-8, and that's probably a good idea (eventually).
 text = []
-for part in msg.get_payload():
+for part in msg.walk():
 # All parts should be scrubbed to text/plain by now.
 partctype = part.get_content_type()
 if partctype  'text/plain':

is the solution to the problem.  At least, this seems to perfectly
work so far -- but it's already quite late tonight, so I quite now,
will do some more testing by tomorrow.

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman not archiving

[Nancy Montano]

We had a problem where Mailman completely broke.  We have since restored
it, but it is not archiving the lists' messages to the html page. What
is really strange is that one  list's messages are being archived???

Thanks for any help on this.

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