Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not working after reboot

2007-01-31 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull 
Brad Knowles writes:

 > >  However, members of this list often do; eg, this thread got 3 answers.
 > 
 > Of which two were "We can't help you with OS-specific issues",

Of course.  My point is that people do respond, not that it's very
helpful; I'm looking for ways to save some of that effort.

 > Moreover, I think we need to be talking about platform-specific 
 > questions, and not just OS-specific.  For example, cPanel is a 
 > platform, and can presumably run on multiple different OSes.  If we 
 > were to have a separate section for these kinds of questions, I think 
 > we would want to put all platform-specific and OS-specific questions 
 > together.

Right.  I actually thought of the cPanel angle, but left it out.

 > Do we need a FAQ entry on what the proper way is to answer a question?

Yes.  It's a policy issue.  Sometimes the OP will respond to the "nice
person who actually answered my question", and start a thread.  I
think providing answers to off-topic FAQs is a Good Thing[tm], but it
should be kept off-list and it shouldn't clutter the main sections of
the FAQ.

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not working after reboot

2007-01-30 Thread Brad Knowles 
At 12:30 PM +0900 1/31/07, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

>  > If you have Mailman questions, we should be able to help with those.
>  > But we can't provide support for OS-specific issues.
>
>  However, members of this list often do; eg, this thread got 3 answers.

Of which two were "We can't help you with OS-specific issues", and I 
don't know if the third was actually helpful or not -- we have no 
evidence that the OP saw that response, or that it was helpful to the 
OP.

>  How about starting an OS-specific section of the FAQ, similar to the
>  MTA Integration section?  Then you could change the above reply to
>  "OS-specific issues are off-topic on this list; they are best asked on
>  the channels provided by that OS.  However, you can find some
>  user-contributed answers in the OS-specific section of the FAQ."

There are already some OS-specific items listed in the FAQ.  I see no 
reason why those could not be expanded (where appropriate), or new 
OS-specific items added.

I'm not sure we need a separate OS-specific section, however.  I 
don't know how that would affect the FAQ organization structure. 
Currently, I think we are putting OS-specific questions in the 
appropriate section and then trying to make sure that we label them 
appropriately.

Moreover, I think we need to be talking about platform-specific 
questions, and not just OS-specific.  For example, cPanel is a 
platform, and can presumably run on multiple different OSes.  If we 
were to have a separate section for these kinds of questions, I think 
we would want to put all platform-specific and OS-specific questions 
together.

>  Also, encourage those who do provide answers on-list to add them to
>  the FAQ and answer on list with "I just added an answer to that
>  question to the FAQ".

My general policy has been to answer things directly two or three 
times, but beyond that to then summarize the responses and put them 
into the FAQ, and thereafter to primarily refer to the answers that 
are already in the FAQ.

Do we need a FAQ entry on what the proper way is to answer a question?

-- 
Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Consultant & Author
Co-author of SAGE Booklet #15 "Internet Postmaster: Duties and 
Responsibilities"
Founding Member and Platinum Individual Sponsor of LOPSA: 

Papers:  LinkedIn Profile: 

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not working after reboot

2007-01-30 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull 
Brad Knowles writes:

 > If you have Mailman questions, we should be able to help with those. 
 > But we can't provide support for OS-specific issues.

However, members of this list often do; eg, this thread got 3 answers.

How about starting an OS-specific section of the FAQ, similar to the
MTA Integration section?  Then you could change the above reply to
"OS-specific issues are off-topic on this list; they are best asked on
the channels provided by that OS.  However, you can find some
user-contributed answers in the OS-specific section of the FAQ."

Also, encourage those who do provide answers on-list to add them to
the FAQ and answer on list with "I just added an answer to that
question to the FAQ".

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not working after reboot

2007-01-29 Thread Brad Knowles 
At 12:01 PM -0500 1/29/07, Ki Song wrote:

>  I recently rebooted my Fedora server.
>  It has a copy of Mailman 2.1.8 installed.
>  I usually have to restart mailman by running mailmanctl after rebooting.
>
>  1. How do I add mailmanctl as a program that will run on boot? I don't want
>  to have to run mailmanctl every time I reboot the server.

That's a Fedora problem.  I suggest you use their resources to find 
the answer to this question.

If you have Mailman questions, we should be able to help with those. 
But we can't provide support for OS-specific issues.

-- 
Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Consultant & Author
Co-author of SAGE Booklet #15 "Internet Postmaster: Duties and 
Responsibilities"
Founding Member and Platinum Individual Sponsor of LOPSA: 

Papers:  LinkedIn Profile: 

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not working after reboot

2007-01-29 Thread Patrick Bogen 
On 1/29/07, Ki Song <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1. How do I add mailmanctl as a program that will run on boot? I don't want
> to have to run mailmanctl every time I reboot the server.

This is strictly a Fedora question, not a Mailman question. You'd be
best served addressing it to a Fedora mailing list.

-- 
- Patrick Bogen
--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not working after reboot

2007-01-29 Thread Dave Foran 
Run chkconfig  is where the start ups go


something like

chkconfig -l 345 mailmain

It has been a while..  Do man chkconfig

DAve


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ki
> Song
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:18
> To: mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not working after reboot
>
>
> > I recently rebooted my Fedora server.
> > It has a copy of Mailman 2.1.8 installed.
> > I usually have to restart mailman by running mailmanctl after rebooting.
> >
> > 1. How do I add mailmanctl as a program that will run on boot?
> I don't want
> > to have to run mailmanctl every time I reboot the server.
> >
> > 2. Since the last reboot, I started the mailmanctl program, but
> it doesn't
> > look like the mailman server is running properly. The web admin
> pages are
> > running, but it looks like some parts of mailman have not started.
> > Specifically, the subscribe/unsubscribe requests are not being
> processed.
> > What other processes need to be started in order for mailman to run
> > properly?
>
>
> Nevermind about question 2. I found out that the subscription confirmation
> email that is being sent to the mailman admin is the only part that was
> turned off. The actual server is running properly.
>
> I still need to know how to make mailman run by default on startup.
>
> --
> Mailman-Users mailing list
> Mailman-Users@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
> Searchable Archives:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe:
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/dave%40hamnet.org
>
> Security Policy:
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman not working after reboot

2007-01-29 Thread Ki Song 
> I recently rebooted my Fedora server.
> It has a copy of Mailman 2.1.8 installed.
> I usually have to restart mailman by running mailmanctl after rebooting.
> 
> 1. How do I add mailmanctl as a program that will run on boot? I don't want
> to have to run mailmanctl every time I reboot the server.
> 
> 2. Since the last reboot, I started the mailmanctl program, but it doesn't
> look like the mailman server is running properly. The web admin pages are
> running, but it looks like some parts of mailman have not started.
> Specifically, the subscribe/unsubscribe requests are not being processed.
> What other processes need to be started in order for mailman to run
> properly?


Nevermind about question 2. I found out that the subscription confirmation
email that is being sent to the mailman admin is the only part that was
turned off. The actual server is running properly.

I still need to know how to make mailman run by default on startup.

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp

[Mailman-Users] Mailman not working after reboot

2007-01-29 Thread Ki Song 
I recently rebooted my Fedora server.
It has a copy of Mailman 2.1.8 installed.
I usually have to restart mailman by running mailmanctl after rebooting.

1. How do I add mailmanctl as a program that will run on boot? I don't want
to have to run mailmanctl every time I reboot the server.

2. Since the last reboot, I started the mailmanctl program, but it doesn't
look like the mailman server is running properly. The web admin pages are
running, but it looks like some parts of mailman have not started.
Specifically, the subscribe/unsubscribe requests are not being processed.
What other processes need to be started in order for mailman to run
properly?

--
Mailman-Users mailing list
Mailman-Users@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Security Policy: 
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.027.htp