[Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed
Jim Ziobro writes: > Indeed email is not a synchronous messaging channel. But most > email clients will sort incoming messages by header Date thus undo > the effects of out-of-order delivery. That's mostly true. However, traditionally the first retry was set for 4 hours after the initial send. If Dreamhost has such a long retry delay, that could cause hours of out-of-order and certainly cut someone out of a hot and heavy discussion. The problem is that the first message from a particular sender will be rejected temporarily and retried after 4 hours, but everything from that sender sent after 15 minutes (typical greylisting delay) will go through the list. Of course anybody the sender CC'd will get it immediately, and may reply. It can be a mess. Steve Footnotes: [1] For those who don't know the term: this is an antiabuse device where the recipient rejects the message with a temporary failure, then sets a timer for a few minutes, say 15. If the message is received again after that, it is accepted. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed
On 9/14/19 7:23 PM, Veronica Morris wrote: > Here is what it says: ...> If you are a current customer of DreamHost, please contact our > technical support team here > > https://panel.dreamhost.com/support You could try this contact with this specific issue. > mailaddressredac...@hotmail.com>: delivery > temporarily suspended: lost connection with > hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com[104.47.58.33] while sending RCPT > TO This says hotmail's server disconnected very early in the SMTP transaction. This says it doesn't like your IP or maybe its reverse DNS. It is not an issue with DMARC or DKIM signing as the disconnect occurred before any of that information was sent. Only DreamHost can fix this. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed
Here is what it says: Subject: Undelivered Mail Returned to Sender This is the mail system at host pdx1-mailman02.dreamhost.com. I'm sorry to have to inform you that your message could not be delivered to one or more recipients. It's attached below. If you are a current customer of DreamHost, please contact our technical support team here https://panel.dreamhost.com/support If you are not a customer please use our contact form at. http://dreamhost.com/contact If you do so, please include this email in your support ticket. You can delete your own text from the attached returned message. DreamHost Email Support mailaddressredac...@hotmail.com>: delivery temporarily suspended: lost connection with hotmail-com.olc.protection.outlook.com[104.47.58.33] while sending RCPT TO Veronica Morris PhD and Hestia SD (Japanese Chin) Partnered with a psychiatric service dog since 2005 President of Psychiatric Service Dog Partners veron...@psych.dog https://www.psychdogpartners.org http://www.doctorv.xyz https://www.youtube.com/+VeronicaMorris https://www.facebook.com/DrVeronicaMorris On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 10:15 PM Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/14/19 6:33 PM, Veronica Morris wrote: > > Ugh, now all hotmail users are being unsubbed because of bounce action. > > > If you have Bounce processing -> bounce_notify_owner_on_disable set to > Yes, the disabled notice will contain a copy of the bounce notification > from Hotmail. What does it say? > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/veronica.m.psdp%40gmail.com > -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed
On 9/14/19 6:33 PM, Veronica Morris wrote: > Ugh, now all hotmail users are being unsubbed because of bounce action. If you have Bounce processing -> bounce_notify_owner_on_disable set to Yes, the disabled notice will contain a copy of the bounce notification from Hotmail. What does it say? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed
Ugh, now all hotmail users are being unsubbed because of bounce action. I'm guessing this may be related to the problem of delayed messages for gmail users? I contacted hotmail as suggested in the help for mailman. Didn't know dreamhost could be doing more! If what they did doesn't fix the problem, I'll contact them and ask them about the DKIM signing. Veronica Morris PhD and Hestia SD (Japanese Chin) Partnered with a psychiatric service dog since 2005 President of Psychiatric Service Dog Partners veron...@psych.dog https://www.psychdogpartners.org http://www.doctorv.xyz https://www.youtube.com/+VeronicaMorris https://www.facebook.com/DrVeronicaMorris On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 9:23 PM Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 9/13/19 5:32 PM, Veronica Morris wrote: > > Thanks all for the help! I submitted a ticket with DreamHost, and below > is > > their reply. I am hoping it makes a difference! > > > It's typical of Nightmare er.. Dream Host. > > > > Hello Veronica, > > > > Thanks for contacting DreamHost! > > > > Looking into this for you, it looks like Google is rate-limiting the > > emails, due to the emails not being authenticated (due to it being a > > discussion list). > > DreamHost should be DKIM signing outgoing mail from your domain. The > mail being from a 'discussion list' has nothing to do with it. There's > no reason why they can't do this other than they just don't want to. > > ... > > Sep 13 13:34:01 pdx1-mailman02 postfix/smtp[19918]: A5E3A4C585D: > > to=, > > relay=alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[173.194.192.26]:25, delay=2380, > > delays=2377/2/0.67/0.43, dsn=4.7.0, status=deferred (host > > alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[173.194.192.26] said: 421-4.7.0 This > > message does not have authentication information or fails to pass > > 421-4.7.0 authentication checks. To best protect our users from spam, the > > 421-4.7.0 message has been blocked. Please visit 421-4.7.0 > > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication for more 421 > > 4.7.0 information. c6si35691047iok.161 - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA > > command)) > > > > To help with this, I have created a SPF for your domain. Please allow for > > up to 4 hours for DNS propagation and to see if that does make a > > difference. If there is anything else you need help with, please let me > > know! Thanks! Have a great day! > > > The SPF may help, but the mail should also be DKIM signed. Also, > without seeing the complete raw message headers as received from the > list (when viewing a message in the Gmail web UI, click the 'more' icon > - 3 vertical dots - and 'show original') I can't be sure, but there may > be DNS issues. I.e., the IP address for list.psychdogpartners.org is > 64.90.62.213, but a reverse lookup of that IP points to > listserver-moon.dreamhost.com. > > DreamHost should be doing all the right things by default, but it > appears they may not be. > > -- > Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, > San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/veronica.m.psdp%40gmail.com > -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed
Indeed email is not a synchronous messaging channel. But most email clients will sort incoming messages by header Date thus undo the effects of out-of-order delivery. Even if you send out two messages in a row to j...@gmail.com there is no guarantee that both messages go to the same machine. The two receiving machines may have different loads and may not even be running the same software. Almost all email MTAs send out smaller messages first. In general that is a good thing. It virtually guarantees out of order delivery for a rapid discussion. The wild random delay is not unique to Mailman. I had a Yahoo Group with a couple hundred addresses. Some messages went in seconds but every once in a while messages took days to get delivered sometimes to a subset of the members. This happened even to @yahoo.com recipients! Ciao, //Z\\ -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed
On 9/13/19 5:32 PM, Veronica Morris wrote: > Thanks all for the help! I submitted a ticket with DreamHost, and below is > their reply. I am hoping it makes a difference! It's typical of Nightmare er.. Dream Host. > Hello Veronica, > > Thanks for contacting DreamHost! > > Looking into this for you, it looks like Google is rate-limiting the > emails, due to the emails not being authenticated (due to it being a > discussion list). DreamHost should be DKIM signing outgoing mail from your domain. The mail being from a 'discussion list' has nothing to do with it. There's no reason why they can't do this other than they just don't want to. ... > Sep 13 13:34:01 pdx1-mailman02 postfix/smtp[19918]: A5E3A4C585D: > to=, > relay=alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[173.194.192.26]:25, delay=2380, > delays=2377/2/0.67/0.43, dsn=4.7.0, status=deferred (host > alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[173.194.192.26] said: 421-4.7.0 This > message does not have authentication information or fails to pass > 421-4.7.0 authentication checks. To best protect our users from spam, the > 421-4.7.0 message has been blocked. Please visit 421-4.7.0 > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication for more 421 > 4.7.0 information. c6si35691047iok.161 - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA > command)) > > To help with this, I have created a SPF for your domain. Please allow for > up to 4 hours for DNS propagation and to see if that does make a > difference. If there is anything else you need help with, please let me > know! Thanks! Have a great day! The SPF may help, but the mail should also be DKIM signed. Also, without seeing the complete raw message headers as received from the list (when viewing a message in the Gmail web UI, click the 'more' icon - 3 vertical dots - and 'show original') I can't be sure, but there may be DNS issues. I.e., the IP address for list.psychdogpartners.org is 64.90.62.213, but a reverse lookup of that IP points to listserver-moon.dreamhost.com. DreamHost should be doing all the right things by default, but it appears they may not be. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed
Thanks all for the help! I submitted a ticket with DreamHost, and below is their reply. I am hoping it makes a difference! Hello Veronica, Thanks for contacting DreamHost! Looking into this for you, it looks like Google is rate-limiting the emails, due to the emails not being authenticated (due to it being a discussion list). It already looks like you have set Mung From: http://list.psychdogpartners.org/admin.cgi/psdp-psychdogpartners.org/?VARHELP=ge neral/from_is_list but Google is still not liking the emails. :( Sep 13 13:34:01 pdx1-mailman02 postfix/smtp[19918]: A5E3A4C585D: to=, relay=alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[173.194.192.26]:25, delay=2380, delays=2377/2/0.67/0.43, dsn=4.7.0, status=deferred (host alt1.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[173.194.192.26] said: 421-4.7.0 This message does not have authentication information or fails to pass 421-4.7.0 authentication checks. To best protect our users from spam, the 421-4.7.0 message has been blocked. Please visit 421-4.7.0 https://support.google.com/mail/answer/81126#authentication for more 421 4.7.0 information. c6si35691047iok.161 - gsmtp (in reply to end of DATA command)) To help with this, I have created a SPF for your domain. Please allow for up to 4 hours for DNS propagation and to see if that does make a difference. If there is anything else you need help with, please let me know! Thanks! Have a great day! Veronica Morris PhD and Hestia SD (Japanese Chin) Partnered with a psychiatric service dog since 2005 President of Psychiatric Service Dog Partners veron...@psych.dog https://www.psychdogpartners.org http://www.doctorv.xyz https://www.youtube.com/+VeronicaMorris https://www.facebook.com/DrVeronicaMorris On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 12:53 PM Carl Zwanzig wrote: > On 9/13/2019 9:50 AM, Veronica Morris wrote: > > How do I see mail logs? > > You need to talk with Dreamhost to get them, but they should be able to > assist with the problem. Have you called them? > > Later, > > z! > > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/veronica.m.psdp%40gmail.com > -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed
FWIW, I've been seeing a lot more temporary ("We think you might be a
spammer") delays from Gmail in the past few weeks. Usually the delays
aren't very long, 10 or 15 minutes, and since it's throttling, they don't
affect every message. That could definitely result in messages arriving out
of order.
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> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Veronica Morris
> To: mailman-users@python.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 09:59:40 -0400
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed
> I run an active discussion group. Messages come and go from people all
> hours of the day.
>
> For the past few months, we've noticed that messages are arriving out of
> order, and sometimes are delayed by hours or even a day!
>
> The kicker is that the delivery issues are not the same for everyone. Some
> people will get a particular message immediately, while others will get
> that message in an hour, and others in a day.
>
> Most of our users use gmail.
>
> What can we do to fix this? As ours is a discussion group, timing is
> pretty important so that the flow of the conversation isn't interrupted by
> people not having read previous messages.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Veronica Morris PhD and Hestia SD (Japanese Chin)
> Partnered with a psychiatric service dog since 2005
> President of Psychiatric Service Dog Partners
> veron...@psych.dog
> https://www.psychdogpartners.org
> http://www.doctorv.xyz
> https://www.youtube.com/+VeronicaMorris
> https://www.facebook.com/DrVeronicaMorris
>
>
>
>
> ------ Forwarded message ------
> From: Veronica Morris
> To: Brian Carpenter
> Cc: mailman-users@python.org
> Bcc:
> Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2019 12:35:19 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed
> I am using dreamhost.
>
> Almost all of the people on the listserv use gmail. I have asked if people
> with other email addresses experience the same problem, but no one has
> replied.
>
> Is that what you mean by ISP?
>
> Sorry I am very new to this type of thing! I have no experience with
> computers!
>
> I will contact Dreamhost, that is an excellent idea!
>
> Veronica Morris PhD and Hestia SD (Japanese Chin)
> Partnered with a psychiatric service dog since 2005
> President of Psychiatric Service Dog Partners
> veron...@psych.dog
> https://www.psychdogpartners.org
> http://www.doctorv.xyz
> https://www.youtube.com/+VeronicaMorris
> https://www.facebook.com/DrVeronicaMorris
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 12:30 PM Brian Carpenter wrote:
>
> > Hi Veronica,
> >
> > What hosting service/platform are you using for your discussion list? Are
> > you noticing delays with the same ISPs or does it vary by ISP? I would
> > reach
> > out to your hosting provider and then let know of 3 list members that are
> > experiencing consistent delays and they should be able to review their
> mail
> > log. If you are on cPanel then you can use the track delivery tool to see
> > what is happening with those list members that are experiencing the
> longest
> > delays.
> >
> > Have a great day!
> >
> > Brian Carpenter
> > EMWD.com
> > br...@emwd.com
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mailman-Users On
> > Behalf Of Veronica Morris
> > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 10:00 AM
> > To: mailman-users@python.org
> > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed
> >
> > I run an active discussion group. Messages come and go from people all
> > hours of the day.
> >
> > For the past few months, we've noticed that messages are ar
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed
Thanks! I have not called them yet. We are a small nonprofit, and my husband handles all the contacts with dreamhost. I have asked him to contact them. Neither of us has much computer experience as you can probably tell :) Veronica Morris PhD and Hestia SD (Japanese Chin) Partnered with a psychiatric service dog since 2005 President of Psychiatric Service Dog Partners veron...@psych.dog https://www.psychdogpartners.org http://www.doctorv.xyz https://www.youtube.com/+VeronicaMorris https://www.facebook.com/DrVeronicaMorris On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 12:53 PM Carl Zwanzig wrote: > On 9/13/2019 9:50 AM, Veronica Morris wrote: > > How do I see mail logs? > > You need to talk with Dreamhost to get them, but they should be able to > assist with the problem. Have you called them? > > Later, > > z! > > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/veronica.m.psdp%40gmail.com > -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed
Hi Veronica, What hosting service/platform are you using for your discussion list? Are you noticing delays with the same ISPs or does it vary by ISP? I would reach out to your hosting provider and then let know of 3 list members that are experiencing consistent delays and they should be able to review their mail log. If you are on cPanel then you can use the track delivery tool to see what is happening with those list members that are experiencing the longest delays. Have a great day! Brian Carpenter EMWD.com br...@emwd.com -Original Message- From: Mailman-Users On Behalf Of Veronica Morris Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 10:00 AM To: mailman-users@python.org Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed I run an active discussion group. Messages come and go from people all hours of the day. For the past few months, we've noticed that messages are arriving out of order, and sometimes are delayed by hours or even a day! The kicker is that the delivery issues are not the same for everyone. Some people will get a particular message immediately, while others will get that message in an hour, and others in a day. Most of our users use gmail. What can we do to fix this? As ours is a discussion group, timing is pretty important so that the flow of the conversation isn't interrupted by people not having read previous messages. Thank you! Veronica Morris PhD and Hestia SD (Japanese Chin) Partnered with a psychiatric service dog since 2005 President of Psychiatric Service Dog Partners veron...@psych.dog https://www.psychdogpartners.org http://www.doctorv.xyz https://www.youtube.com/+VeronicaMorris https://www.facebook.com/DrVeronicaMorris -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brian%40emwd.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed
On 9/13/2019 9:50 AM, Veronica Morris wrote: How do I see mail logs? You need to talk with Dreamhost to get them, but they should be able to assist with the problem. Have you called them? Later, z! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed
Only your hosting provider can view those. Have a great day! Brian Carpenter EMWD.com br...@emwd.com From: Veronica Morris Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 12:50 PM To: Brian Carpenter Cc: mailman-users@python.org Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed How do I see mail logs? Sorry to be so dense! Veronica Morris PhD and Hestia SD (Japanese Chin) Partnered with a psychiatric service dog since 2005 President of Psychiatric Service Dog Partners veron...@psych.dog <mailto:veron...@psych.dog> https://www.psychdogpartners.org http://www.doctorv.xyz https://www.youtube.com/+VeronicaMorris https://www.facebook.com/DrVeronicaMorris On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 12:39 PM Brian Carpenter mailto:br...@emwd.com> > wrote: You should be seeing almost instaneous deliveries with Gmail. The mail logs will show what’s going on. I know Dreamhost doesn’t use cPanel but I am not sure what mail server they us. I know Exim has some settings that can interfere with the timely deliveries of messages. Have a great day! Brian Carpenter EMWD.com br...@emwd.com <mailto:br...@emwd.com> From: Veronica Morris mailto:veronica.m.p...@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 12:35 PM To: Brian Carpenter mailto:br...@emwd.com> > Cc: mailman-users@python.org <mailto:mailman-users@python.org> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed I am using dreamhost. Almost all of the people on the listserv use gmail. I have asked if people with other email addresses experience the same problem, but no one has replied. Is that what you mean by ISP? Sorry I am very new to this type of thing! I have no experience with computers! I will contact Dreamhost, that is an excellent idea! Veronica Morris PhD and Hestia SD (Japanese Chin) Partnered with a psychiatric service dog since 2005 President of Psychiatric Service Dog Partners veron...@psych.dog <mailto:veron...@psych.dog> https://www.psychdogpartners.org http://www.doctorv.xyz https://www.youtube.com/+VeronicaMorris https://www.facebook.com/DrVeronicaMorris On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 12:30 PM Brian Carpenter mailto:br...@emwd.com> > wrote: Hi Veronica, What hosting service/platform are you using for your discussion list? Are you noticing delays with the same ISPs or does it vary by ISP? I would reach out to your hosting provider and then let know of 3 list members that are experiencing consistent delays and they should be able to review their mail log. If you are on cPanel then you can use the track delivery tool to see what is happening with those list members that are experiencing the longest delays. Have a great day! Brian Carpenter EMWD.com br...@emwd.com <mailto:br...@emwd.com> -Original Message- From: Mailman-Users mailto:emwd@python.org> > On Behalf Of Veronica Morris Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 10:00 AM To: mailman-users@python.org <mailto:mailman-users@python.org> Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed I run an active discussion group. Messages come and go from people all hours of the day. For the past few months, we've noticed that messages are arriving out of order, and sometimes are delayed by hours or even a day! The kicker is that the delivery issues are not the same for everyone. Some people will get a particular message immediately, while others will get that message in an hour, and others in a day. Most of our users use gmail. What can we do to fix this? As ours is a discussion group, timing is pretty important so that the flow of the conversation isn't interrupted by people not having read previous messages. Thank you! Veronica Morris PhD and Hestia SD (Japanese Chin) Partnered with a psychiatric service dog since 2005 President of Psychiatric Service Dog Partners veron...@psych.dog <mailto:veron...@psych.dog> https://www.psychdogpartners.org http://www.doctorv.xyz https://www.youtube.com/+VeronicaMorris https://www.facebook.com/DrVeronicaMorris -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org <mailto:Mailman-Users@python.org> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brian%40emwd.com -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed
How do I see mail logs? Sorry to be so dense! Veronica Morris PhD and Hestia SD (Japanese Chin) Partnered with a psychiatric service dog since 2005 President of Psychiatric Service Dog Partners veron...@psych.dog https://www.psychdogpartners.org http://www.doctorv.xyz https://www.youtube.com/+VeronicaMorris https://www.facebook.com/DrVeronicaMorris On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 12:39 PM Brian Carpenter wrote: > You should be seeing almost instaneous deliveries with Gmail. The mail > logs will show what’s going on. I know Dreamhost doesn’t use cPanel but I > am not sure what mail server they us. I know Exim has some settings that > can interfere with the timely deliveries of messages. > > > > Have a great day! > > > > Brian Carpenter > > EMWD.com > > br...@emwd.com > > > > *From:* Veronica Morris > *Sent:* Friday, September 13, 2019 12:35 PM > *To:* Brian Carpenter > *Cc:* mailman-users@python.org > *Subject:* Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed > > > > I am using dreamhost. > > > > Almost all of the people on the listserv use gmail. I have asked if > people with other email addresses experience the same problem, but no one > has replied. > > > > Is that what you mean by ISP? > > > > Sorry I am very new to this type of thing! I have no experience with > computers! > > > > I will contact Dreamhost, that is an excellent idea! > > > > Veronica Morris PhD and Hestia SD (Japanese Chin) > > Partnered with a psychiatric service dog since 2005 > > President of Psychiatric Service Dog Partners > veron...@psych.dog > > https://www.psychdogpartners.org > > http://www.doctorv.xyz > https://www.youtube.com/+VeronicaMorris > > https://www.facebook.com/DrVeronicaMorris > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 12:30 PM Brian Carpenter wrote: > > Hi Veronica, > > What hosting service/platform are you using for your discussion list? Are > you noticing delays with the same ISPs or does it vary by ISP? I would > reach > out to your hosting provider and then let know of 3 list members that are > experiencing consistent delays and they should be able to review their mail > log. If you are on cPanel then you can use the track delivery tool to see > what is happening with those list members that are experiencing the longest > delays. > > Have a great day! > > Brian Carpenter > EMWD.com > br...@emwd.com > > -Original Message- > From: Mailman-Users On > Behalf Of Veronica Morris > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 10:00 AM > To: mailman-users@python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed > > I run an active discussion group. Messages come and go from people all > hours of the day. > > For the past few months, we've noticed that messages are arriving out of > order, and sometimes are delayed by hours or even a day! > > The kicker is that the delivery issues are not the same for everyone. Some > people will get a particular message immediately, while others will get > that message in an hour, and others in a day. > > Most of our users use gmail. > > What can we do to fix this? As ours is a discussion group, timing is > pretty important so that the flow of the conversation isn't interrupted by > people not having read previous messages. > > Thank you! > > Veronica Morris PhD and Hestia SD (Japanese Chin) > Partnered with a psychiatric service dog since 2005 > President of Psychiatric Service Dog Partners > veron...@psych.dog > https://www.psychdogpartners.org > http://www.doctorv.xyz > https://www.youtube.com/+VeronicaMorris > https://www.facebook.com/DrVeronicaMorris > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brian%40emwd.com > > -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed
I am using dreamhost. Almost all of the people on the listserv use gmail. I have asked if people with other email addresses experience the same problem, but no one has replied. Is that what you mean by ISP? Sorry I am very new to this type of thing! I have no experience with computers! I will contact Dreamhost, that is an excellent idea! Veronica Morris PhD and Hestia SD (Japanese Chin) Partnered with a psychiatric service dog since 2005 President of Psychiatric Service Dog Partners veron...@psych.dog https://www.psychdogpartners.org http://www.doctorv.xyz https://www.youtube.com/+VeronicaMorris https://www.facebook.com/DrVeronicaMorris On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 12:30 PM Brian Carpenter wrote: > Hi Veronica, > > What hosting service/platform are you using for your discussion list? Are > you noticing delays with the same ISPs or does it vary by ISP? I would > reach > out to your hosting provider and then let know of 3 list members that are > experiencing consistent delays and they should be able to review their mail > log. If you are on cPanel then you can use the track delivery tool to see > what is happening with those list members that are experiencing the longest > delays. > > Have a great day! > > Brian Carpenter > EMWD.com > br...@emwd.com > > -Original Message- > From: Mailman-Users On > Behalf Of Veronica Morris > Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 10:00 AM > To: mailman-users@python.org > Subject: [Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed > > I run an active discussion group. Messages come and go from people all > hours of the day. > > For the past few months, we've noticed that messages are arriving out of > order, and sometimes are delayed by hours or even a day! > > The kicker is that the delivery issues are not the same for everyone. Some > people will get a particular message immediately, while others will get > that message in an hour, and others in a day. > > Most of our users use gmail. > > What can we do to fix this? As ours is a discussion group, timing is > pretty important so that the flow of the conversation isn't interrupted by > people not having read previous messages. > > Thank you! > > Veronica Morris PhD and Hestia SD (Japanese Chin) > Partnered with a psychiatric service dog since 2005 > President of Psychiatric Service Dog Partners > veron...@psych.dog > https://www.psychdogpartners.org > http://www.doctorv.xyz > https://www.youtube.com/+VeronicaMorris > https://www.facebook.com/DrVeronicaMorris > -- > Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users > Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 > Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 > Searchable Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ > Unsubscribe: > https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/brian%40emwd.com > > -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Messages delivered out of order and delayed
I run an active discussion group. Messages come and go from people all hours of the day. For the past few months, we've noticed that messages are arriving out of order, and sometimes are delayed by hours or even a day! The kicker is that the delivery issues are not the same for everyone. Some people will get a particular message immediately, while others will get that message in an hour, and others in a day. Most of our users use gmail. What can we do to fix this? As ours is a discussion group, timing is pretty important so that the flow of the conversation isn't interrupted by people not having read previous messages. Thank you! Veronica Morris PhD and Hestia SD (Japanese Chin) Partnered with a psychiatric service dog since 2005 President of Psychiatric Service Dog Partners veron...@psych.dog https://www.psychdogpartners.org http://www.doctorv.xyz https://www.youtube.com/+VeronicaMorris https://www.facebook.com/DrVeronicaMorris -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
