Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving my Mailman list
TG Platt - WW Publ wrote: 1. Can someone tell me if my hunch about not being able to move to a new server and back without access to the mailman command line utils is right? You MAY be able to move lists without access to Mailman's command line utilities, but you can't do it without write access to the Mailman installation's lists/ and archives/ directories which you probably won't have either. IOW, you will need the cooperation of the host to install the lists at their end. 2. Is it possible to do the entire move from my server and back with nothing more than a tar-ed backup and the web interface? (I think it's not.) I think it is, but only with the requisite access - see 1. 3. If I MUST have access to the command line utils, what commands do I need aside from checkperms and possibly addmember? If you aren't changing list names or domain names, the issue is probably only one of permissions which might be fixable just by chgrp -R mailman path... but they aren't gooing to let you do that either. 4. Did I overlook something? Is there some way to set up mailman during my server rebuild so that multiple domains can be supported under a single instance of mailman WITHOUT forcing all lists to use the same hosting domain name? See Geoff Shang's reply to this. 5. Are thee any other gotchas with my plan that I've overlooked? You need a hosting service that will agree to accept your tarball backup (lists/ and archives/ should suffice) and install your lists for you. Otherwise, you'll need root access to the server before you're done. I don't know what you can work out, but if it were me, I'd look for a short term agreement for a VPS. -- Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Moving my Mailman list
Hi. I need helpful advice unraveling the deeply mysterious Gordian knot of mailman conversions. Here's my situation... I'm looking for a temporary hosting arrangement for an existing mailman list. The list is presently running on my own dedicated server but the server was recently cracked by a rootkit and must now be rebuilt. So I need to move and rehost my mailman list elsewhere for a month or two while I do the server rebuild. Then I intend to move it back again. This discussion list has been using mailman for years. In fact, I moved it to my server just over a year ago from another mailman host (DreamHost as I recall). So we have a significant legacy message archive and mailing list I want to backup and move to the new host. Then I will need to move it back again later. I control the current server. So, I've got no problem backing up the existing list and archive from my current server but I'm not sure what capabilities I MUST HAVE to be able to install it on the new one and then to recapture the list later and bring it back to my own server. Of course there's a web site associated with the same domain name the mailman list now resides on. The list is presently configured using the site's domain name (myn...@myname.org). Needless to say, I'd like both the server move and the eventual move back again to be transparent to our users and visitors if possible. In short I prefer to keep the same site name and list name when I move it and when I move it back later. So I'm planning to move both the site and the list to a new temporary host at the same time. Obviously I'd rather NOT pay for a full year of temporary hosting when I figure I'll be able to have my rebuilt server up and running again within 60 days. So I'm basically looking for a host where I can rent space by the month at a reasonable price. I tried moving to one mailman host (bluehost) but got very ticked when their advertised price of $4 a month turned out to be $6 a month and they were charging me for a full year of hosting up front too. The problem wasn't so much the price as it was that they never gave me any contract term options... AND they never TOLD me until they'd actually charged my credit card for a full year that I wasn't going to get the price they offered. Needless to say, that bait and switch pricing approach made me hopping mad. So I told them to take a hike and canceled the hosting deal. I then contacted another host who was up front about their short-term pricing and found I liked them a lot in other ways too. But having been burned once already, I'm being very cautious the second time around. So, when their tech told me I would not get access to any of the mailman command line utilities, I began to wonder if I'm really going to be able to migrate my mailman list to their server now and then migrate it out again later WITHOUT access to mailman's command line utilities. After checking out the docs pretty carefully, I have a strong hunch the answer to THAT question is an emphatic No! As I recall, when I first installed mailman on my server, I was faced with deciding whether to use the server's main domain name (mydomain.com) as the name that hosted all mailman lists on the server or I could have used the client's domain name as the domain name that hosted their list and all others. As I recall the two options were mutually exclusive. In other words, mailman wouldn't let me have two individual lists on the same server associated with different primary domain names (e.g. mymemb...@mydomain.com and yourmemb...@yourdomain.com). As I recall, this simply wasn't possible on a single server. Since my client didn't want to change the name and address of their list, I agreed to use their domain name as the hosting domain name and I have regretted that decision ever since. I've also realized since then that other mailman hosts seem to have figured out workarounds for that rule. I'm sure DreamHost for example didn't force my client to use another domain as the list domain or their list could never have been mydom...@mydomain.org to begin with! So, here are my questions: 1. Can someone tell me if my hunch about not being able to move to a new server and back without access to the mailman command line utils is right? 2. Is it possible to do the entire move from my server and back with nothing more than a tar-ed backup and the web interface? (I think it's not.) 3. If I MUST have access to the command line utils, what commands do I need aside from checkperms and possibly addmember? 4. Did I overlook something? Is there some way to set up mailman during my server rebuild so that multiple domains can be supported under a single instance of mailman WITHOUT forcing all lists to use the same hosting domain name? 5. Are thee any other gotchas with my plan that I've overlooked? Thanks! -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving my Mailman list
On Sun, 8 Nov 2009, TG Platt - WW Publ wrote: 1. Can someone tell me if my hunch about not being able to move to a new server and back without access to the mailman command line utils is right? hmm. I had to do this recently, and as long as the hostname and Email domain is the same, I think you might be able to do this. But I wouldn't sware to it. At any rate, there's a FAQ entry about this in the FAQ on the Wiki. 4. Did I overlook something? Is there some way to set up mailman during my server rebuild so that multiple domains can be supported under a single instance of mailman WITHOUT forcing all lists to use the same hosting domain name? You can do this as long as you avoid having lists with the same name. So you can have f...@foo.com and b...@bar.com but not b...@foo.com *as well* as b...@bar.com. If you want to avoid name collisions, you pretty much have to use separate installs per domain, and also you need to do some playing around to make sure that the mail is delivered to the right domain. See the thread at http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-October/067364.html for what I ended up doing in order to achieve this. Geoff. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving a Mailman list
On Tue, Nov 13, 2001 at 04:07:44PM +, Paul Crowley wrote: I have a mailing list on my home machine, running Mailman 1.1, which I'd like to move onto a colocated host, running Mailman 2.0.6. Is it simply a question of tarring up the relevant directory in /lists and unpacking it in the new site? I know I'll also need to change the hostname and URL once the list is in its new location. tar and move should work as long as mailman is installed in the same directory. If not, run move_list on the lists you moved to fix the pathnames in the config.db files (and yes, you then have to change the http URL in the list config too) Marc -- Microsoft is to operating systems security what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking Home page: http://marc.merlins.org/ | Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP key -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
[Mailman-Users] Moving a Mailman list
I have a mailing list on my home machine, running Mailman 1.1, which I'd like to move onto a colocated host, running Mailman 2.0.6. Is it simply a question of tarring up the relevant directory in /lists and unpacking it in the new site? I know I'll also need to change the hostname and URL once the list is in its new location. cheers, -- __ Paul Crowley \/ o\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] /\__/ http://www.cluefactory.org.uk/paul/ Conservation of angular momentum makes the world go around - John Clark -- Mailman-Users maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
