Re: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman lists to new server, same domain name

2010-01-04 Thread Henry Hartley

On 1/2/2010 10:04 PM, Andrew Watson wrote:

#<  #5.0.0 X-Postfix; host mysite.com[128.xxx.xxx.xxx] said: 553
5.3.0... User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO command)>
#SMTP#


I ran newaliases. Same result.
The alias hs does appear in the /etc/mail/aliases:


Look in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc for how ALIAS_FILE is defined and be sure 
it's defined as being /etc/mail/aliases. On my setup it's simply 
/etc/aliases so a file in /etc/mail would have no effect.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman lists to new server, same domain name

2010-01-03 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 1/3/2010 11:23 AM, Andrew Watson wrote:
>>> What's in mm_cfg.py?
> mm_cfg.py is empty on the new server.
> on the old server it contains:
> 
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'visionscience.com'
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'visionscience.com'
> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
> 
> I added these lines to the new server, but it did not fix the problem.


OK.


>>> What's the output from postconf -n?
> 
> This is evidently a postfix command. Where do I find/run this? 
> "locate postconf" returns nothing.
> I do not find a folder /etc/postfix (on either old or new server). How do I 
> tell if postfix is installed?
> Does the bounce message (below) indicate that postfix is installed?


I was under the mistaken impression that your MTA was Postfix. I was
thrown off by the fact the the MTA that attempted to send the post to
Mailman was Postfix.

As you clarified in an off-list PS, you have Sendmail on the Mailman
server, so what's in sendmail's log (the system maillog?) corresponding
to the rejected post?


>>  What does "ls
>> -l /usr/local/mailman/data" give?


This was relevant for Postfix, not Sendmail.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman lists to new server, same domain name

2010-01-03 Thread Andrew Watson
>> What's in mm_cfg.py?
mm_cfg.py is empty on the new server.
on the old server it contains:

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'visionscience.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'visionscience.com'
VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

I added these lines to the new server, but it did not fix the problem.

>> What's the output from postconf -n?

This is evidently a postfix command. Where do I find/run this? 
"locate postconf" returns nothing.
I do not find a folder /etc/postfix (on either old or new server). How do I 
tell if postfix is installed?
Does the bounce message (below) indicate that postfix is installed?

>  What does "ls
> -l /usr/local/mailman/data" give?


visionscience# ls -l /usr/local/mailman/data
total 16
-rw-r-  1 root mailman 41 Dec 31 23:01 adm.pw
-rw-r--r--  1 root mailman 10 May 29  2008 last_mailman_version
-rw-rw  1 mailman  mailman  6 Dec 31 23:01 master-qrunner.pid
-rw-r--r--  1 root mailman  14114 May 29  2008 sitelist.cfg

Thanks and regards,

Andrew

On Jan 3, 2010, at 6:57 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Andrew Watson wrote:
>> 
>> Then switched DNS to new IP.
>> Sent first test message to one of the lists (hs), but it bounced. Edited 
>> bounce message below:
>> 
>>> #< #5.0.0 X-Postfix; host mysite.com[128.xxx.xxx.xxx] said: 553 5.3.0 
>>> ... User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO command)> #SMTP#
>> 
>> I ran newaliases. Same result.
>> 
>> The alias hs does appear in the /etc/mail/aliases:
>> 
>> hs:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post hs"
>> 
>> 
>> There is a duplicate definition of the mailman alias, but the two are
>> identical. Maybe it makes newaliases unhappy?
> 
> 
> What's in mm_cfg.py? What's the output from postconf -n? What does "ls
> -l /usr/local/mailman/data" give?
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman lists to new server, same domain name

2010-01-03 Thread Mark Sapiro
Andrew Watson wrote:
>
>Then switched DNS to new IP.
>Sent first test message to one of the lists (hs), but it bounced. Edited 
>bounce message below:
>
>> #< #5.0.0 X-Postfix; host mysite.com[128.xxx.xxx.xxx] said: 553 5.3.0 
>> ... User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO command)> #SMTP#
>
>I ran newaliases. Same result.
>
>The alias hs does appear in the /etc/mail/aliases:
>
>hs:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post hs"
>
>
>There is a duplicate definition of the mailman alias, but the two are
>identical. Maybe it makes newaliases unhappy?


What's in mm_cfg.py? What's the output from postconf -n? What does "ls
-l /usr/local/mailman/data" give?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman lists to new server, same domain name

2010-01-02 Thread Andrew Watson
Great. Did as you suggested.

Then switched DNS to new IP.
Sent first test message to one of the lists (hs), but it bounced. Edited bounce 
message below:

> #< #5.0.0 X-Postfix; host mysite.com[128.xxx.xxx.xxx] said: 553 5.3.0 
> ... User unknown (in reply to RCPT TO command)> #SMTP#

I ran newaliases. Same result.

The alias hs does appear in the /etc/mail/aliases:

hs:  "|/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post hs"


There is a duplicate definition of the mailman alias, but the two are 
identical. Maybe it makes newaliases unhappy?

Any suggestions?

Very, very grateful for your help.

-Andrew

On Jan 2, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Andrew Watson wrote:
>> 
>> 1)  on the old server, all files in /usr/local/mailman/lists and
>> /user/local/mailman/archives have group mailman, but group wheel on the 
>> new server.
> 
> 
> This needs to be fixed. Everything needs to be Mailman's group
> 
> 
>> 2) on the old server, all archives/public files are owned by www, but on
>> the new server by root.
>> 
> 
> There should be no archives/public files at all; only symlinks.
> Ownership of symlinks is irrelevant.
> 
> If the old server had actual files in archives/public rather than
> symlinks, the best recourse may be to rebuild the archive for those
> lists with
> 
> bin/arch --wipe
> 
> 
>> 3) on the old server, all .mbox files in archives/private are owned by 
>> www, but on the new server by root.
> 
> 
> This doesn't matter. It's the group that's important, not the owner.
> 
> 
>> 4) on the old server, all files in lists are owned by www, but on the
> 
> 
> See 3.
> 
> 
>> Should I correct all owner and group states to match the old server?
>> From previous posts, I gather that owner is not important but that
>> group MUST be "mailman".
> 
> 
> First, run
> 
> bin/check_perms -f
> 
> as root on the new server until it either fixes everything or gets to a
> "no change" point. That may be enough, but if there are files left
> that aren't in Mailman's group, you can fix thiose by hand.
> 
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman lists to new server, same domain name

2010-01-02 Thread Mark Sapiro
Andrew Watson wrote:
>
>1)  on the old server, all files in /usr/local/mailman/lists and
>/user/local/mailman/archives have group mailman, but group wheel on the 
>new server.


This needs to be fixed. Everything needs to be Mailman's group


>2) on the old server, all archives/public files are owned by www, but on
>the new server by root.
>

There should be no archives/public files at all; only symlinks.
Ownership of symlinks is irrelevant.

If the old server had actual files in archives/public rather than
symlinks, the best recourse may be to rebuild the archive for those
lists with

 bin/arch --wipe


>3) on the old server, all .mbox files in archives/private are owned by 
>www, but on the new server by root.


This doesn't matter. It's the group that's important, not the owner.


>4) on the old server, all files in lists are owned by www, but on the


See 3.


>Should I correct all owner and group states to match the old server?
>From previous posts, I gather that owner is not important but that
>group MUST be "mailman".


First, run

 bin/check_perms -f

as root on the new server until it either fixes everything or gets to a
"no change" point. That may be enough, but if there are files left
that aren't in Mailman's group, you can fix thiose by hand.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman lists to new server, same domain name

2010-01-02 Thread Andrew Watson
Thanks for the help. It is much appreciated.

I moved the files as planned, and all is well except that some owner and group 
specifications differ on old and new servers.
Specifically:

1)  on the old server, all files in /usr/local/mailman/lists and 
/user/local/mailman/archives have group mailman, but group wheel on the new 
server.

2) on the old server, all archives/public files are owned by www, but on the 
new server by root.

3) on the old server, all .mbox files in archives/private are owned by www, but 
on the new server by root.

4) on the old server, all files in lists are owned by www, but on the new 
server by root.


Should I correct all owner and group states to match the old server?
>From previous posts, I gather that owner is not important but that group MUST 
>be "mailman".

Thanks again,
Andrew

On Jan 1, 2010, at 4:40 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

> Andrew Watson wrote:
> 
>> I am moving a number of lists to a new server.
>> Eventually the new server will have the same domain name as the old, so I 
>> don't think I need to change urls.
> 
> 
> OK.
> 
> 
>> I have read the FAQs, and lots of emails on this list, and I think I know 
>> what to do, but would like to be sure I am not missing something.
>> I have installed mailman 2.10 on the new server, and now plan to move the 
>> lists and archives.
>> /.migrate contains copies of files from the old server on the new server.
>> The commands I plan (on the new server) are as follows:
>> 
>> cp -npvR /.migrate/usr/local/mailman/archives/ /usr/local/mailman/archives
>> cp -npvR /.migrate/usr/local/mailman/lists/ /usr/local/mailman/lists
>> 
>> Sound right?
>> Is there anything else I need to do?
> 
> 
> I'm not sure what flavor of cp you're using, but particularly when
> copying the archives, you need to specify whatever will copy symlinks
> as symlinks and not copy their targets (often -d).
> 
> Otherwise, it seems OK.
> 
> 
>> Also, does it matter what I selected during installation for the mailman 
>> administrators email? (I accepted default: r...@mydomain.com )  
> 
> 
> I don't know what this does. Presumably you are installing a package
> and this is meaningful to the package. Perhaps it sets the owner of
> the 'mailman'; site list.
> 
> The site list owner definitely needs to be a deliverable address that
> someone reads. Also, mail to the site list itself from non-members
> should be accepted and read by someone.
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman lists to new server, same domain name

2010-01-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Andrew Watson wrote:

>I am moving a number of lists to a new server.
>Eventually the new server will have the same domain name as the old, so I 
>don't think I need to change urls.


OK.


>I have read the FAQs, and lots of emails on this list, and I think I know what 
>to do, but would like to be sure I am not missing something.
>I have installed mailman 2.10 on the new server, and now plan to move the 
>lists and archives.
>/.migrate contains copies of files from the old server on the new server.
>The commands I plan (on the new server) are as follows:
>
>cp -npvR /.migrate/usr/local/mailman/archives/ /usr/local/mailman/archives
>cp -npvR /.migrate/usr/local/mailman/lists/ /usr/local/mailman/lists
>
>Sound right?
>Is there anything else I need to do?


I'm not sure what flavor of cp you're using, but particularly when
copying the archives, you need to specify whatever will copy symlinks
as symlinks and not copy their targets (often -d).

Otherwise, it seems OK.


>Also, does it matter what I selected during installation for the mailman 
>administrators email? (I accepted default: r...@mydomain.com )  


I don't know what this does. Presumably you are installing a package
and this is meaningful to the package. Perhaps it sets the owner of
the 'mailman'; site list.

The site list owner definitely needs to be a deliverable address that
someone reads. Also, mail to the site list itself from non-members
should be accepted and read by someone.

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[Mailman-Users] moving mailman lists to new server, same domain name

2010-01-01 Thread Andrew Watson
I am moving a number of lists to a new server.
Eventually the new server will have the same domain name as the old, so I don't 
think I need to change urls.
I have read the FAQs, and lots of emails on this list, and I think I know what 
to do, but would like to be sure I am not missing something.
I have installed mailman 2.10 on the new server, and now plan to move the lists 
and archives.
/.migrate contains copies of files from the old server on the new server.
The commands I plan (on the new server) are as follows:

cp -npvR /.migrate/usr/local/mailman/archives/ /usr/local/mailman/archives
cp -npvR /.migrate/usr/local/mailman/lists/ /usr/local/mailman/lists

Sound right?
Is there anything else I need to do?

Also, does it matter what I selected during installation for the mailman 
administrators email? (I accepted default: r...@mydomain.com )  


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Re: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman lists to a new machine

2007-12-20 Thread Mark Sapiro
Camelia Botez wrote:

>We are in the process of moving to a new web server.  On the old web
>server we are running Mailman 2.0.11.  On the new web server we
>installed Mailman 2.1.9.
>How can we move all the mailing lists on the old machine to the new
>machine including the membership list and the archives.


You posted almost the identical question 5 days ago and I replied
.

Please read that reply, and if you have further questions, please be
more specific about what parts of the reply you don't understand or
what the problems are.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] moving mailman lists to a new machine

2007-12-20 Thread Raquel
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 16:08:32 +0200
Camelia Botez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> We are in the process of moving to a new web server.  On the old web
> server we are running Mailman 2.0.11.  On the new web server we
> installed Mailman 2.1.9.
> How can we move all the mailing lists on the old machine to the new
> machine including the membership list and the archives.
> Thanks for any help.
> 

I just recently went through this, following instructions provided in
an older email.  I'll forward the email to you privately.

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[Mailman-Users] moving mailman lists to a new machine

2007-12-20 Thread Camelia Botez
We are in the process of moving to a new web server.  On the old web
server we are running Mailman 2.0.11.  On the new web server we
installed Mailman 2.1.9.
How can we move all the mailing lists on the old machine to the new
machine including the membership list and the archives.
Thanks for any help.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving mailman lists

2007-02-22 Thread Patrick Bogen
As far as I know, there's no 'one click' tool to move lists around,
nor is there anything that will rewrite archives to change the old
domain (that said, a simple sed script could do this, but possibly not
reliably).

See FAQ 3.4 


On 2/21/07, Steven Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Quick Q,
>
> We have an organisation wanting to use our mailman server, but they want
> their own domain. Since mailman does not easily do multiple domains, in
> the short term they will accept using our domain but later want to
> extract their lists and run them under their own domain on their own
> mailman server.
>
> So, how easy would it be to "extract" all the setup info and move it to
> the new server and convert it to a new list name and a new domain at a
> later date?
>
> Does this involve hacking by hand or would it be easy to automate? Is
> there already such a tool?
>
> Could the archived items be "cleansed" of the old domain and the new
> domain be substituted? (this is probably a secondary requirement)...
>
> Unless this is easy my preference is to let them wait until they get a
> new server but they want something "now".
>
> regards
>
>
> Steven Jones
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> APG -Technology Integration Team
> Victoria University of Wellington
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[Mailman-Users] Moving mailman lists

2007-02-21 Thread Steven Jones
Hi,

Quick Q,

We have an organisation wanting to use our mailman server, but they want
their own domain. Since mailman does not easily do multiple domains, in
the short term they will accept using our domain but later want to
extract their lists and run them under their own domain on their own
mailman server.

So, how easy would it be to "extract" all the setup info and move it to
the new server and convert it to a new list name and a new domain at a
later date?

Does this involve hacking by hand or would it be easy to automate? Is
there already such a tool?

Could the archived items be "cleansed" of the old domain and the new
domain be substituted? (this is probably a secondary requirement)...

Unless this is easy my preference is to let them wait until they get a
new server but they want something "now".

regards


Steven Jones
Senior  Linux/Unix/San System Administrator
APG -Technology Integration Team
Victoria University of Wellington

 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Moving mailman lists from a server to another, partly solved

2004-05-03 Thread Lars Schimmer
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Hash: SHA1
Lars Schimmer schrieb:
| Hi!
|
| After getting mailman to work proper, I have to move the archive and the
| whole lists from the old server to the new one.
| I set up a new Debian server and the conf was all done, after that I scp
| all the /mailman/lists/* and /mailman/archive/* files to the new server,
| changed the owner to root:list on all (list is the mailman user).
| Finally I run /mailman/bin/arch on every mailinglist in the list dir.
| But after starting mailman daemon and visiting the /mailman/list site on
| http, there was NO list listet.
| What went wrong?
| What do I have to do more?
Afteer reading a bit more the FAQ and testing, I found the withlist
commmand and the server print out all the lists.
BUT one error keeps alive:
On the "List archive" main-page, on the link
"You can get more information about this list."
There's the old URL hidden, NOT the new one.
Any hints ?
| Cya
| Lars
Cya
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[Mailman-Users] Moving mailman lists from a server to another, probs.. help wanted

2004-05-03 Thread Lars Schimmer
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Hi!

After getting mailman to work proper, I have to move the archive and the
whole lists from the old server to the new one.
I set up a new Debian server and the conf was all done, after that I scp
all the /mailman/lists/* and /mailman/archive/* files to the new server,
changed the owner to root:list on all (list is the mailman user).
Finally I run /mailman/bin/arch on every mailinglist in the list dir.
But after starting mailman daemon and visiting the /mailman/list site on
http, there was NO list listet.
What went wrong?
What do I have to do more?
Cya
Lars
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RE: [Mailman-Users] moving Mailman lists to a new server

2002-03-18 Thread Dave Scott

I just figured this out and it all worked good.


Basically you have to move the data in your 

/var/lib/mailman/lists/
/var/lib/mailman/archives/
/var/lib/mailman/data/

This is for Debain, change for proper path on your distro
Check paths with 

Locate mailman

This will show you the paths for installed mailman files.

Once you have it moved to the new location you must run

Check_perms -f

This will fix all permission issues, really handy.

Run Check_perms with no -f to make sure everything is kosher.

Now if you changed paths on any of the lists you moved you will need to
resync the lists 

Move_lists "name of list"

That will resync the list.

I didn't have to do anything else other than this, oh yeah, and I moved
data from Mailman 1.1 to Mailman 2.08 in the process and it worked
great.

Hope this helps.

-Dave


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Subject: [Mailman-Users] moving Mailman lists to a new server

Apparently Barry Warsaw wrote a FAQ for this purpose to the
Mailman-Developers list. Does anyone know the date of his posting? Or is
there another source for the best practices to move a list & the related
files to a new server?

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[Mailman-Users] moving Mailman lists to a new server

2002-03-18 Thread ljacobs

Apparently Barry Warsaw wrote a FAQ for this purpose to the Mailman-Developers list. 
Does anyone know the date of his posting? Or is there another source for the best 
practices to move a list & the related files to a new server?

Thanks. 





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[Mailman-Users] Moving Mailman lists to new server

2001-01-21 Thread Matt Thoene

Hello,

I have MailMan running perfectly on our web server.  Unfortunately the
server needs a total overhaul which includes a re-install of the OS (RedHat
6.2).  After I complete the re-install of RH and MailMan, what is the best
way to get my MailMan files and info back on this box?  Is it just a copy
over of the '/home/mailman/lists' directory?

Thanks.

-Matt


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