Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' Misc.
Mark; Thanks again for all of the help and patience. In regards to this list actually being an announcement list...you're absolutely right and I'm now going through the link you provided. Here's what I now plan on doing, based on your suggestions/feedback and the information on the link you provided; - Create a new list. - Under the membership management page, I'll set the Additional Member Tasks to turn on the mod flag for all users. That way if anyone sends a msg to the list, including me...it will sit and wait in the queue until I release it. Which is nice, especially if I goof up and accidentally send it out. - Disable monthly password reminders. - Strip out the List footer that's automatically added to each message that's sent out. Other than what I've listed above, is their anything else that I might be missing? For example, since the goal here is for everyone to NOT know that they are on some sort of list...are their any other daily/monthly/occasional msgs that Mailman MIGHT send out to the list other than password reminders? Also, with this type of List and what I want to accomplish, how can 'automatic bounce-message processing' either help or hinder my goals? Thanks again for all of the help! J. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' Misc.
Joe Espinoza wrote: - Under the membership management page, I'll set the Additional Member Task= s to turn on the mod flag for all users. That way if anyone sends a msg to the list, including me...it will sit and wait in the queue until I release it. Which is nice, especially if I goof up and accidentally send it out. Note that this is a one time action that turns on the mod flag for all current subscribers. You also want to set Privacy options...-Sender filters-default_member_moderation to Yes so that future subscribers are moderated by default. You also want to be sure that Privacy options...-Sender filters-generic_nonmember_action is set to something other than Accept - probably Discard if you don't want to confirm the existence of the list with a rejection message. - Disable monthly password reminders. - Strip out the List footer that's automatically added to each message that's sent out. Other than what I've listed above, is their anything else that I might be missing? For example, since the goal here is for everyone to NOT know that they are on some sort of list...are their any other daily/monthly/occasional msgs that Mailman MIGHT send out to the list other than password reminders? I think only bounce related messages. See below. You may also want to set OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes in mm_cfg.py and then set Non-digest options-personalize to Full Personalization which will cause each recipient's message to be To: his/her address. Also, with this type of List and what I want to accomplish, how can 'automatic bounce-message processing' either help or hinder my goals? Automated bounce processing helps by ultimately removing dead addresses from the list without your intervention. The issue in your case is that bounce processing sends 0 or more warnings (number set by bounce_you_are_disabled_warnings) to the bouncing address before deleting it and sends a final notification when the address is deleted. Since an address can be bouncing for a 'temporary' reason such as a full mailbox or a suspended account that is subsequently reinstated, the user may receive one of these notices which will reveal that she/he is/was on the list. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' Misc.
Mark, again a million 'Thank You's'! Regarding the Automated bounce processing, can I just disable this? If so, should an email message 'bounce' how will I be notified if I disable the 'automated bounce processing option? I guess in this case, I do want to have interaction and intervene manually. Thanks, J. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' Misc.
Joe Espinoza wrote: Mark, again a million 'Thank You's'! Regarding the Automated bounce processing, can I just disable this? Yes. Just set Bounce processing-bounce_processing to No. If so, should an email message 'bounce' how will I be notified if I disable the 'automated bounce processing option? I guess in this case, I do want to have interaction and intervene manually. If you do nothing else, the returned bounces will be ignored and you won't see them. If your MTA uses aliases, you can change the alias for the listname-bounces address to send the mail somewhere else. For example, if there is an alias that looks like listname-bounces: |path_to/mail/mailman bounces listname you could change it to listname-bounces: |path_to/mail/mailman owner listname and all bounces will be sent to the list owner. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' Misc.
Mark; Thank you so much! J. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
[Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' Misc.
Regarding an earlier question on changing the headers; I guess something similar can be achieved by; - Changing the name of the list, to something less obvious - Enabling the 'Moderated' option for all users by default, so that way anyone that attempts to post to the list...will not be able to. It will sit in queue instead and wait for me to release it Does this sound ok? Is there a better way to achieve something like this? What are your thoughts? Also, can I easily change the name of the list from the Mailman UI or do I have to create a new one? One more thing, since I'm still a big n00be on email related stuff; What are the advantages of setting up a mailing list such as this, instead of copying and pasting tons of email addresses in the 'bcc' field? I've noticed that when I have done the 'copy paste' method, I get delivery failures/bounce messages, because I'm sending to way too many recipients. Is this one way how a mailing list provides a greater advantage? Just sending to one email address instead of many? Sincerely, J. -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
Re: [Mailman-Users] Questions on 'List Renaming' Misc.
Joe Espinoza wrote: Regarding an earlier question on changing the headers; I guess something similar can be achieved by; - Changing the name of the list, to something less obvious - Enabling the 'Moderated' option for all users by default, so that way anyone that attempts to post to the list...will not be able to. It will sit in queue instead and wait for me to release it Does this sound ok? Is there a better way to achieve something like this? What are your thoughts? It seems you want an announcement list. In that case, moderating everyone is the way to go. See http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showfile=faq03.011.htp for more info. Also, can I easily change the name of the list from the Mailman UI or do I have to create a new one? No. You can't change the name of a list from the Mailman web UI. If you have sufficient access to the Mailman installation, you can change the name of a list as follows. Note that I've never actually done this, so there may be gotchas somewhere that I haven't thought of. Change the name of the lists/listname directory. Change the real_name attribute on the list's General options page to match the new neme except perhaps for case. Change the name of the archives/private/listname directory. Change the name of the archives/private/listname.mbox directory. Change the name of the archives/private/listname.mbox/listname.mbox file. If there are public archives change the name and target of the archives/public/listname symlink. Rebuild the archives with bin/arch. It might be easer to create a new list. One more thing, since I'm still a big n00be on email related stuff; What are the advantages of setting up a mailing list such as this, instead of copying and pasting tons of email addresses in the 'bcc' field? I've noticed that when I have done the 'copy paste' method, I get delivery failures/bounce messages, because I'm sending to way too many recipients. Is this one way how a mailing list provides a greater advantage? Just sending to one email address instead of many? Again, it seems you're thinking of an announcement list since a Bcc list doesn't work for a discussion list and a Cc list has privacy concerns. A big advantage of a mail list manager vs. a Bcc list is the one you note. A properly installed and configured mail list manager interacts with its MTA in a way that insures that the mail will be sent to all list members even if this is thousands or tens of thousands of recipients. A Bcc list is subject to whatever limitation you might encounter in the number of recipients that can be specified for a single SMTP transaction. The Bcc is also cumbersome to manage and error prone. Also, the mail list manager can provide other services such as subscription management, automated bounce processing, etc. -- Mark Sapiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org Security Policy: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=showamp;file=faq01.027.htp
