Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header
On 01/14/2016 11:58 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: > > Sorry, I guess I should not have put it in quotes. That title is not at > all clear to me that it means the domain name (not host name) for > replying email. I had that set to my email domain (bellsouth.net). > Changing it to the reply email domain (gmail.com) worked. I tried the > host name 'pop.gmail.com' and that did not. OK. Now I understand the confusion. We use 'host' in a number of places where we really mean 'domain' and it can be particularly confusing for email addresses where the 'domain' may just have an MX record and not be a 'machine' at all. However, this terminology is deeply embedded and affects translations if it were to be changed, so I don't propose to actually change it at this point. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header
On 1/14/2016 1:38 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 01/14/2016 04:02 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: >> Got it. I guess the "Preferred Hostname" in the settings is somewhat of >> a misnomer. It is really the preferred email hostname. > > Where are you seeing "Preferred Hostname"? > > Mailman's General Options page says > > Host name this list prefers for email. > (Details for host_name) > > which seems clear enough. I can't find the regexp 'preferred.?host' case > insensitively anywhere in the GNU Mailman distribution. > > Sorry, I guess I should not have put it in quotes. That title is not at all clear to me that it means the domain name (not host name) for replying email. I had that set to my email domain (bellsouth.net). Changing it to the reply email domain (gmail.com) worked. I tried the host name 'pop.gmail.com' and that did not. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header
On 01/14/2016 04:02 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: > > Got it. I guess the "Preferred Hostname" in the settings is somewhat of > a misnomer. It is really the preferred email hostname. Where are you seeing "Preferred Hostname"? Mailman's General Options page says Host name this list prefers for email. (Details for host_name) which seems clear enough. I can't find the regexp 'preferred.?host' case insensitively anywhere in the GNU Mailman distribution. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header
On 1/10/2016 6:34 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 01/10/2016 03:07 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote: >> Google is back up. I guess I was wrong in my original assessment. The >> headers are indeed there including List-Post. The reply to list button >> is displayed (I don't know why I sometimes don't get that but I will >> have to look closer next time it happens). Anyway, I now see the >> problem, but I don't know how/where to fix it. The address in the >> List-Post is wrong. I can see how to turn it off/on in the documentation >> but not how to customize it? > > It is the list posting address, i.e. listname@host_name, the same as the > address in "To post a message to all the list members, send email to > ..." on the list's listinfo page. > > If the local part in the List-Post: header is not the list name, > something is seriously wrong, but I don't know what. If the domain is > not what you think it should be, the list's host_name (on the General > Options page) is wrong. You can change it there, although that may > indicate issues with add_virtualhost and DEFAULT_*_HOST in mm_cfg.py. > > As I said before, if you sometimes don't see it, it might be because you > are looking at a reply sent to you directly (To: or Cc:) and not from > the list. > > Got it. I guess the "Preferred Hostname" in the settings is somewhat of a misnomer. It is really the preferred email hostname. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header
On 01/10/2016 03:07 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote: >> > Google is back up. I guess I was wrong in my original assessment. The > headers are indeed there including List-Post. The reply to list button > is displayed (I don't know why I sometimes don't get that but I will > have to look closer next time it happens). Anyway, I now see the > problem, but I don't know how/where to fix it. The address in the > List-Post is wrong. I can see how to turn it off/on in the documentation > but not how to customize it? It is the list posting address, i.e. listname@host_name, the same as the address in "To post a message to all the list members, send email to ..." on the list's listinfo page. If the local part in the List-Post: header is not the list name, something is seriously wrong, but I don't know what. If the domain is not what you think it should be, the list's host_name (on the General Options page) is wrong. You can change it there, although that may indicate issues with add_virtualhost and DEFAULT_*_HOST in mm_cfg.py. As I said before, if you sometimes don't see it, it might be because you are looking at a reply sent to you directly (To: or Cc:) and not from the list. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header
On 1/10/2016 1:57 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 01/10/2016 06:29 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: >> On 1/9/2016 4:43 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >>> Are there other Mailman headers such as X-BeenThere: and >>> X-Mailman-Version: in the messages? >>> >>> Do you have any local modifications to Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py? >>> >>> How do messages get from Mailman to you? >>> >>> >> Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I don't recall but I don't think so. >> I am currently unable to test it to see as imap.gmail.com seems to be >> down and has been for a while. > > I use imap.googlemail.com for my gmail imap server, but that won't make > any difference. I've just tested, and it appears that gmail/googlemail > is now forcing SSL. I.e., neither imap.gmail.com nor imap.googlemail.com > is answering port 143 connects, but both work with SSL on port 993. > > >> The messages go from mailman on my >> Postfix server to JetMail, to the subscriber's ISP (AT&T in my case). > > The next time you receive a post from the list in question, view the > source (More -> View Source in Thunderbird). If you don't see the List-* > headers, copy ALL of the headers and post them here. You can munge any > personal info if you like. > > Google is back up. I guess I was wrong in my original assessment. The headers are indeed there including List-Post. The reply to list button is displayed (I don't know why I sometimes don't get that but I will have to look closer next time it happens). Anyway, I now see the problem, but I don't know how/where to fix it. The address in the List-Post is wrong. I can see how to turn it off/on in the documentation but not how to customize it? signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header
On 01/10/2016 06:29 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: > On 1/9/2016 4:43 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> Are there other Mailman headers such as X-BeenThere: and >> X-Mailman-Version: in the messages? >> >> Do you have any local modifications to Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py? >> >> How do messages get from Mailman to you? >> >> > Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I don't recall but I don't think so. > I am currently unable to test it to see as imap.gmail.com seems to be > down and has been for a while. I use imap.googlemail.com for my gmail imap server, but that won't make any difference. I've just tested, and it appears that gmail/googlemail is now forcing SSL. I.e., neither imap.gmail.com nor imap.googlemail.com is answering port 143 connects, but both work with SSL on port 993. > The messages go from mailman on my > Postfix server to JetMail, to the subscriber's ISP (AT&T in my case). The next time you receive a post from the list in question, view the source (More -> View Source in Thunderbird). If you don't see the List-* headers, copy ALL of the headers and post them here. You can munge any personal info if you like. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header
On 1/9/2016 4:43 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 01/09/2016 01:10 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote: >> Thanks for the reply. Those options are and apparently always have been >> on. But none of those headers show up. I wonder if an SMTP server >> somewhere along the way is stripping them out for some reason. > > Are there other Mailman headers such as X-BeenThere: and > X-Mailman-Version: in the messages? > > Do you have any local modifications to Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py? > > How do messages get from Mailman to you? > > Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I don't recall but I don't think so. I am currently unable to test it to see as imap.gmail.com seems to be down and has been for a while. The messages go from mailman on my Postfix server to JetMail, to the subscriber's ISP (AT&T in my case). signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header
On 01/09/2016 01:10 PM, Dennis Putnam wrote: >> > Thanks for the reply. Those options are and apparently always have been > on. But none of those headers show up. I wonder if an SMTP server > somewhere along the way is stripping them out for some reason. Are there other Mailman headers such as X-BeenThere: and X-Mailman-Version: in the messages? Do you have any local modifications to Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py? How do messages get from Mailman to you? -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header
On 1/9/2016 1:36 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > On 01/09/2016 06:14 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: >> On some mailman lists I receive messages in which Thunderbird displays a >> "Reply to List" button. However, on my own lists that does not happen. >> What header is TB relying on to get that and what setting do I need to >> change my mailman for that to happen? TIA. > > Thunderbird and many other MUAs rely on the RFC 2369 List-Post: header > for "reply to list". There are six RFC 2369 List-* headers; List-Id:, > List-Unsubscribe:, List-Archive:, List-Post:, List-Help: and > List-Subscribe:. Mailman's adding of these headers is controlled by the > lists General Options include_rfc2369_headers and > include_list_post_header settings. > > If include_rfc2369_headers is No, none of these headers will be added. > If include_rfc2369_headers is Yes, List-Post: will be added only if > include_list_post_header is Yes, List-Archive will be added only if the > list is archiving and the other four will be added. > > So to ensure posts received from the list have a List-Post header, both > include_rfc2369_headers and include_list_post_header must be Yes. > > Also note that if your "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" setting on > a list is Yes and you are directly addressed in a reply, the copy you > receive doesn't come from the list and won't have any Mailman headers. > > Thanks for the reply. Those options are and apparently always have been on. But none of those headers show up. I wonder if an SMTP server somewhere along the way is stripping them out for some reason. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header
On 01/09/2016 06:14 AM, Dennis Putnam wrote: > On some mailman lists I receive messages in which Thunderbird displays a > "Reply to List" button. However, on my own lists that does not happen. > What header is TB relying on to get that and what setting do I need to > change my mailman for that to happen? TIA. Thunderbird and many other MUAs rely on the RFC 2369 List-Post: header for "reply to list". There are six RFC 2369 List-* headers; List-Id:, List-Unsubscribe:, List-Archive:, List-Post:, List-Help: and List-Subscribe:. Mailman's adding of these headers is controlled by the lists General Options include_rfc2369_headers and include_list_post_header settings. If include_rfc2369_headers is No, none of these headers will be added. If include_rfc2369_headers is Yes, List-Post: will be added only if include_list_post_header is Yes, List-Archive will be added only if the list is archiving and the other four will be added. So to ensure posts received from the list have a List-Post header, both include_rfc2369_headers and include_list_post_header must be Yes. Also note that if your "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" setting on a list is Yes and you are directly addressed in a reply, the copy you receive doesn't come from the list and won't have any Mailman headers. -- Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers, San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
[Mailman-Users] Reply-To-List Header
On some mailman lists I receive messages in which Thunderbird displays a "Reply to List" button. However, on my own lists that does not happen. What header is TB relying on to get that and what setting do I need to change my mailman for that to happen? TIA. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3 Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9 Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
