Re: [Mailman-Users] What is the difference between welcome.msg and subscribeack.txt

[Mark Sapiro]

On 5/13/16 5:10 PM, JB via Mailman-Users wrote:
> I always thought that the difference was that the acknowledge was sent when a 
> new user requested to subscribe (to acknowledge the request and the new user 
> to verify it)


This message is the confirmation request sent to the subscriber if the
list's subscribe policy includes confirmation. This is built from the
verify.txt template which is not one that can be edited through the
admin GUI.


and that the welcome message was sent after the new user completed the
subscribe process in its entirety as set up by the list owner.  This is
what the names would indicate to me anyway.


That is correct and the welcome message is built from the GUI editable
subscribeack.txt template, the default of which includes the replacement
%(welcome)s which is replaced by the list's welcome_msg text.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] What is the difference between welcome.msg and subscribeack.txt

[JB via Mailman-Users]

I always thought that the difference was that the acknowledge was sent when a 
new user requested to subscribe (to acknowledge the request and the new user to 
verify it) and that the welcome message was sent after the new user completed 
the subscribe process in its entirety as set up by the list owner.  This is 
what the names would indicate to me anyway.



On Fri, 5/13/16, Mark Sapiro <m...@msapiro.net> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] What is the difference between welcome.msg and 
subscribeack.txt
 To: mailman-users@python.org
 Date: Friday, May 13, 2016, 12:03 PM
 
 On 5/9/16 5:55 AM, Henrik Rasmussen
 wrote:
 > 
 > Both can be edited by the list admin from the admin
 webinterface in General Options -> welcome_msg and "HTML
 Page Editing" -> "Welcome email text file",
 respectively.
 > 
 > What is the difference between the welcome_msg text box
 and the subscribeack.txt and why would you, as list admin,
 edit one over the other?
 
 
 Historically, the ability to edit the subscribeack.txt
 template via the
 admin UI was added in Mailman 2.1.6. Prior to that there was
 only the
 welcome_msg to customize the welcome message.
 
 The difference is welcome_msg is a list attribute, whereas a
 custom
 subscribeack.txt template is a list and language specific
 template.
 
 welcome_msg is simpler to edit and is part of the list's
 configuration,
 but is only in the list's preferred language.
 
 subscribeack.txt is more complex to edit, but allows editing
 of more
 that just the 'welcome' paragraph. Also, by changing the
 list's
 preferred_language via the web UI (or directly editing the
 templates/
 directory, see <https://wiki.list.org/x/4030605>), it
 is possible to
 have list specific versions of this template in different
 languages for
 multi-language lists. but these templates are part of the
 Mailman
 instalation itself rather than list attributes.
 
 The bottom line is it probably doesn't matter which you use
 if the
 welcome_msg is sufficient and if you don't need multiple
 languages, but
 if a list is 'moved' to a different installation, the
 welcome_msg will
 go with it ans the subscribeack.txt template(s) won't.
 
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 San Francisco Bay Area, California    better use
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Re: [Mailman-Users] What is the difference between welcome.msg and subscribeack.txt

[Mark Sapiro]

On 5/9/16 5:55 AM, Henrik Rasmussen wrote:
> 
> Both can be edited by the list admin from the admin webinterface in General 
> Options -> welcome_msg and "HTML Page Editing" -> "Welcome email text file", 
> respectively.
> 
> What is the difference between the welcome_msg text box and the 
> subscribeack.txt and why would you, as list admin, edit one over the other?


Historically, the ability to edit the subscribeack.txt template via the
admin UI was added in Mailman 2.1.6. Prior to that there was only the
welcome_msg to customize the welcome message.

The difference is welcome_msg is a list attribute, whereas a custom
subscribeack.txt template is a list and language specific template.

welcome_msg is simpler to edit and is part of the list's configuration,
but is only in the list's preferred language.

subscribeack.txt is more complex to edit, but allows editing of more
that just the 'welcome' paragraph. Also, by changing the list's
preferred_language via the web UI (or directly editing the templates/
directory, see ), it is possible to
have list specific versions of this template in different languages for
multi-language lists. but these templates are part of the Mailman
instalation itself rather than list attributes.

The bottom line is it probably doesn't matter which you use if the
welcome_msg is sufficient and if you don't need multiple languages, but
if a list is 'moved' to a different installation, the welcome_msg will
go with it ans the subscribeack.txt template(s) won't.

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[Mailman-Users] What is the difference between welcome.msg and subscribeack.txt

[Henrik Rasmussen]

The welcome message that is sent to new subscribers (provided that "General 
Options -> Send_welcome_msg" is set to Yes) comes from the text file 
/var/lib/mailman/lists/LISTNAME/en/subscribeack.txt. If this file includes 
%(welcome)s, the information from the field "General Options -> welcome_msg" is 
also included.

Both can be edited by the list admin from the admin webinterface in General 
Options -> welcome_msg and "HTML Page Editing" -> "Welcome email text file", 
respectively.

What is the difference between the welcome_msg text box and the 
subscribeack.txt and why would you, as list admin, edit one over the other?

Yours faithfully

Henrik Rasmussen
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