Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do some get digests as a series of attachments?

[William Bagwell]

On Friday 02 September 2016, Richard Johnson wrote:
> This is strange.  One of my list users gets digest messages as a series of
> attachments, while all other users receive digests as all text, with the
> messages one after the other.
>
> The person who gets the attachments has a Cox.net address.  Maybe they're
> doing something to it?

Remote possibility is the users mail reader is bursting digests back to 
individual messages. These will have minimal headers, look different and 
might be mistaken for attachments. Forte Agent defaults to this behavior. 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do some get digests as a series of attachments?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 09/02/2016 11:23 PM, Richard Johnson wrote:
> Actually, my list is setup to send all digests in text format.  I was toying 
> with the idea of sending in MIME format. Maybe that would be better?


I assume you mean that Digest options -> mime_is_default_digest is set
to Plain, but that only sets the default for new subscribers. It's a
user option and any user can change her setting.

Also, if you change it to MIME, that only affects people who subscribe
after the change. It doesn't change any current members.


> But it sounds as if you're saying that a user can specify that they want MIME 
> instead of there configured version, somewhere in their personal config?


Yes. The user can set it on her options page - "Get MIME or Plain Text
Digests?" and the admin can set it for a user with the 'plain' checkbox
on the Membership Management... -> Membership List pages (unchecked = MIME)

I think MIME digests are better. They have several advantages IF (and
it's upper case IF on purpose) the user's mail client deals well with
the format. Mobile phone apps as a class are generally quite bad at
dealing with MIME digests as are some web mail apps.

Each user needs to decide for herself which is preferred based on the
client(s) she uses.

Personally, I set digest mode to MIME on those few lists I subscribe to
in digest form, and I just don't try to read them on my phone or just
read the TOC and maybe delete the digest as uninteresting. If I want to
read and possibly reply to a message in the digest, I use a real MUA on
a real computer.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do some get digests as a series of attachments?

[Richard Johnson]

Actually, my list is setup to send all digests in text format.  I was toying 
with the idea of sending in MIME format. Maybe that would be better?

But it sounds as if you're saying that a user can specify that they want MIME 
instead of there configured version, somewhere in their personal config?


/raj
(sent from iPhone)


> On Sep 2, 2016, at 7:45 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
> 
>> On 09/02/2016 06:48 PM, Richard Johnson wrote:
>> This is strange.  One of my list users gets digest messages as a series of 
>> attachments, while all other users receive digests as all text, with the 
>> messages one after the other.
>> 
>> The person who gets the attachments has a Cox.net address.  Maybe they're 
>> doing something to it?
> 
> 
> That has nothing to do with it. There are two digest formats.
> 
> Plain text is a digest with all non-plain text parts stored aside and
> replaced by links and flattened into a single plain text message.
> 
> MIME format is a multipart digest with each original message in its own
> sub-part.
> 
> Your user who gets 'attachments' has elected to receive MIME digests.
> You can see this on the user's options page or the admin membership list
> pages.
> 
> Whether a MIME digest is rendered with the message parts inline, only as
> attachments or not at all is a function of the mail client reading the
> message.
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do some get digests as a series of attachments?

[Mark Sapiro]

On 09/02/2016 06:48 PM, Richard Johnson wrote:
> This is strange.  One of my list users gets digest messages as a series of 
> attachments, while all other users receive digests as all text, with the 
> messages one after the other.
> 
> The person who gets the attachments has a Cox.net address.  Maybe they're 
> doing something to it?


That has nothing to do with it. There are two digest formats.

Plain text is a digest with all non-plain text parts stored aside and
replaced by links and flattened into a single plain text message.

MIME format is a multipart digest with each original message in its own
sub-part.

Your user who gets 'attachments' has elected to receive MIME digests.
You can see this on the user's options page or the admin membership list
pages.

Whether a MIME digest is rendered with the message parts inline, only as
attachments or not at all is a function of the mail client reading the
message.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Why do some get digests as a series of attachments?

[Carl Zwanzig]

On 9/2/2016 6:48 PM, Richard Johnson wrote:

This is strange.  One of my list users gets digest messages as a series
of attachments, while all other users receive digests as all text, with
the messages one after the other.

The person who gets the attachments has a Cox.net address.  Maybe they're
doing something to it?


Almost anything in the handling chain can mess with the format.  Could be 
that cox.net's web email doesn't understand digest format, but if the user 
is reading email via imap from cox it would be OK.


I think you need to look closer at how people are getting & reading their email.

z!
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[Mailman-Users] Why do some get digests as a series of attachments?

[Richard Johnson]

This is strange.  One of my list users gets digest messages as a series of 
attachments, while all other users receive digests as all text, with the 
messages one after the other.

The person who gets the attachments has a Cox.net address.  Maybe they're doing 
something to it?


/raj
(sent from iPhone)

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