[Mailman-Users] how limit traffic
Hi! I need to use a newsletter with 2400 email adresses (op-in list)but my hosting plan doesn´t allow me to send more than 200 mails in one shot (recent spaming issues and server black lists from other users). Is there a way to force Mailman spit the list in 200 mails (12 lists!) or does shots of 200 adresses per time limit? Can i use some sort of cron jobs? I would apreciate you help! Thanks! To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Mailman-Users digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Bounces (Paul H Byerly) 2. HELP WITH THE WEB INTERFACE. (Andre Ricardo) 3. RE: URL_HOST per list (jsmith) 4. Admin interface question (Ted Ernst) 5. Where are list member addresses stored? (Pete Holsberg) 6. Re: Where are list member addresses stored? (Erick Mechler) 7. Re: How do I limit posts? (Erick Mechler) 8. 2 mailman instances with postfix (Christian Schoepplein) 9. How to use Mailman with windows 2000? (Ana) 10. Re: Where are list member addresses stored? (Pete Holsberg) 11. Welcome email (Bill Sholar) 12. Re: 2 mailman instances with postfix (Jon Carnes) 13. Re: How to use Mailman with windows 2000? (Jon Carnes) From: Paul H Byerly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:09:26 -0600 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Subject: [Mailman-Users] Re: Bounces Message: 1 Charlie Hazlett wrote: I have a subscriber who received a bounce warning and I have no idea why she received it. Her email address is correct and she has had no problems with her email that I am aware of. Start with the mailman bounce log prefix/mailman/logs and look for her bounce information with something like grep -i [EMAIL PROTECTED] bounce Use the times on the bounces to then search your servers mail logs for the actual bounce messages. Paul From: Andre Ricardo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:55:16 -0200 (EDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Subject: [Mailman-Users] HELP WITH THE WEB INTERFACE. Message: 2 Hi, I am trying to use the web interface to open a new mailing list, and I have the follow error: Bug in Mailman version 2.1.3 We're sorry, we hit a bug! If you would like to help us identify the problem, please email a copy of this page to the webmaster for this site with a description of what happened. Thanks! Traceback: Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/mailman/scripts/driver, line 87, in run_main main() File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py, line 55, in main process_request(doc, cgidata) File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/create.py, line 219, in process_request sys.modules[modname].create(mlist, cgi=1) File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 232, in create _update_maps() File /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/MTA/Postfix.py, line 53, in _update_maps raise RuntimeError, msg % (acmd, status, errstr) RuntimeError: command failed: /usr/local/sbin/postalias /usr/local/mailman/data/aliases (status: 1, Not owner) Info: SunFireV100 running Solaris 9 + Postfix + python 2.2.2 + GCC 3.2.2 Any help is welcome Thanks in advance. []s Andre Ricardo Righetto ABRAPIV - http://www.abrapiv.com.br/ VBA - http://www.flyvba.com.br/ FABv - http://www.voefab.com.br/ Vamos filhos altivos dos ares Nosso vôo ousado alçar... From: jsmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Stephan Paukner [EMAIL PROTECTED], Linda Pahdoco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:06:35 -0800 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list Message: 3 Stephan I used the cmd bin/withlist -l -r fix_url mylistname -u my_url_here Seems to work fine. Joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Stephan Paukner Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 1:07 AM To: Linda Pahdoco Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] URL_HOST per list Hi! Linda Pahdoco wrote: When you create the list, create it as [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of just as listname. You can use withlist fix_url to update the existing lists if you have access to the shell on the list server. If you don't, ask your hosting company to fix it for you. I want to
Re: [Mailman-Users] how limit traffic
On Mon, Jan 19, 2004 at 04:52:09PM +, Navegante wrote: I need to use a newsletter with 2400 email adresses (op-in list)but my hosting plan doesn?t allow me to send more than 200 mails in one shot (recent spaming issues and server black lists from other users). Is there a way to force Mailman spit the list in 200 mails (12 lists!) or does shots of 200 adresses per time limit? Can i use some sort of cron jobs? Look at the following segment in Defaults.py: # Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified in a single # SMTP # transaction. Set to 0 to submit the entire recipient list in one # transaction. Only used with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE. SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 Incidentally, please restrict your replies to only the relevant pieces of the e-mail and do not reply to a digest changing only the subject line. For a new question, please start a new thread so you don't mess up the threading model for those of us with real mail clients. Thanks! -- Ed Wilts, Mounds View, MN, USA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] how limit traffic
At 4:52 PM + 2004/01/19, Navegante wrote: Is there a way to force Mailman spit the list in 200 mails (12 lists!) or does shots of 200 adresses per time limit? Mailman will aggregate together as many recipients as it can per message envelope, if you make sure that the VERP and per-user features are turned off. This will make it a bit more difficult to manage the mailing list (especially bounces from misconfigured mail servers). See also http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#4.11, http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#6.6, and http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=all#2.2. In particular, make sure that SMTP_MAX_RCPTS in ~mailman/Mailman/mm_cfg.py (see ~mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py for details) is set to a sufficiently high level to meet your needs. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++): a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI$ P+++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+() DI+() D+(++) G+() e++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
Re: [Mailman-Users] how limit traffic
At 12:02 PM -0600 2004/01/20, Ed Wilts wrote: Look at the following segment in Defaults.py: # Ceiling on the number of recipients that can be specified in a single # SMTP # transaction. Set to 0 to submit the entire recipient list in one # transaction. Only used with the SMTPDirect DELIVERY_MODULE. SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 Which won't work with the majority of MTAs. Most limit the maximum number of recipients per message to be something like 100 or 200. If the local MTA has been modified to have a higher limit than normal, it should deal with the issue of envelope splitting if the remote MTA has a smaller limit. The flip side of having so many recipients per message is that many mail systems will flag your messages as being spam, especially larger sites like AOL. -- Brad Knowles, [EMAIL PROTECTED] They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++): a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI$ P+++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+() DI+() D+(++) G+() e++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++) -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
RE: [Mailman-Users] how limit traffic
= Original Message From Brad Knowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] = At 12:02 PM -0600 2004/01/20, Ed Wilts wrote: SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 500 Which won't work with the majority of MTAs. Most limit the maximum number of recipients per message to be something like 100 or 200. If the local MTA has been modified to have a higher limit than normal, it should deal with the issue of envelope splitting if the remote MTA has a smaller limit. I had what I consider, if not an interesting experience, at least a learning one recently concerning Mailman's smtp_max_rcpts. Mailman 2.0.9 (I know - I'm building another server for the latest/greatest) AIX 5.1 / RS6000 (ditto) The symptoms were happening on a list with over 6,000 subscribers, followed by the same problem on a list with over 880 addresses. The message's qfiles .db file was over 50,000 bytes. Each time qrunner fired up (remember, this is still the cronned qrunner), locks would be made, and the queue held up until qrunner timed out. Either that, or qrunner was terminated because Postfix would fail with a queue file write error. Every hour and a half, the message would get 'reinjected' in the qfiles directory. I would delete the db and msg files, get the large queue mostly emptied out, but then the message would get reinjected, causing the backlog again. My temporary 'cure' was to leave the corrupt .db file in the qfiles directory. That seemed to stop that message from returning. I left the bad db file there for about a week, until the next large message/large recipient list. It started to dawn on me what the problem was, when I tried to vi the corrupt .db file, and vi gave me 'a line cannot be longer than 2048 characters.' At this point, mm_cfg.py contained the option, SMTP_MAX_RCPTS = 300. If an average email address is 20 characters, and Mailman chunkifies a large group of addresses, in this case 300, that's 6000 characters. Postfix has a hard limit of 2048 characters for a line. Even dropping SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 100 would be a borderline 2000 characters, not taking into account some addresses that are over 30 characters long. The short of it is, I dropped SMTP_MAX_RCPTS to 50 so Mailman chunkifies smaller, and the large lists no longer have a problem with corrupt .db files. As well, (without earlier stats to compare to) large messages to large recipient lists seem to zip through the queue faster. Example 1: Jan 14 15:59:03 2004 (17224) smtp for 6914 recips, completed in 1201.166 seconds (345 addresses/minute, primetime, large message, primarily 'outside' addresses) Jan 14 16:00:07 2004 (17228) post to [a list] from [a addy], size=38412, success Example 2: Jan 16 03:03:27 2004 (13054) smtp for 6915 recips, completed in 144.519 seconds (2882 addresses/minute, off prime, small message, primarily 'outside' addresses) Jan 16 03:03:27 2004 (13054) post to [a list] from [a addy], size=640, success Example 3: Jan 20 12:59:48 2004 (14466) smtp for 6915 recips, completed in 1125.579 seconds (368 addresses/minute, primetime, large message, primarily 'outside' addresses) Jan 20 12:59:48 2004 (14466) post to [a list] from [a addy], size=38481, success At least, that's my theory and I'm sticking to it. -- Mailman-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/ This message was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe or change your options at http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org
