Re: [Mailman-Users] Small list for club

2009-09-13 Thread Barry Warsaw

On Sep 11, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Grant Taylor wrote:


On 09/11/09 10:45, Barry Warsaw wrote:
Even though I have a static address, my ISP won't give me a reverse  
DNS, so it can be a problem with any residential broadband  
service.  Still it's very rare that I get such rejections these  
days (RedHat was one culprit, but they whitelisted me).


Even if they are rare, you will still have problems like that.

You could run your own mail server at your house and use your ISP's  
mail server as a smart host and get past the rejections because of  
your dynamic IP.


Yep.  I've considered setting up smarthost relaying just for the  
couple of domains that I have problems with.  I'm fairly sure Postfix  
can do this.  But honestly, it's been such a minimal problem that so  
far it hasn't been worth spending the time on.


It now sounds like you already have a mail server at your house (and  
likely versed in some of the problems that can pose) and all you are  
considering adding is Mailman.  If this is the case, I'd suggest  
giving Mailman a try.  Conversely if you are talking about setting  
up a new mail server just to run Mailman, I'd suggest looking in to  
a hosted service.  (I think setting up a new mail server just for a  
mailing list is a bit of a steep curve.)


I will definitely give Mailman a try! :)

-Barry



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Small list for club

2009-09-12 Thread Michael MacKenna
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From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net] 
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:37 AM
To: Mike Mackenna; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Small list for club

Mike Mackenna wrote:

I am a member of a cigar club that would like to make use of a mailing
list.  I would like to use mailman for the list.  I hear running your
own email server can be a headache because of all of the security
concerns.  Is there a free service available for small clubs to make
use of the mailman mailing list?


There are free or very low cost services for your situation. See
http://wiki.list.org/x/Hg.


If not can I run a mailman mailing
list from my home using a broadband connection, dyndns, and a linux
box, or should I be looking into hosting options?


Dynamic DNS is a problem for a server sending email. Many ISPs will do
a reverse lookup on the sending IP and if it doesn't point back to the
sending domain, will reject the mail.

Fom the above wiki page, http://www.emwd.com/mailman.html offer list
hosting starting at $4.00 per month, and they are active on this
mailman-users list which is further evidence that they are offering
real Mailman service.

There may be others that would do as well for you.

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San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

Thank you, I will look into those options.

Mike

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Small list for club

2009-09-11 Thread Mark Sapiro
Mike Mackenna wrote:

I am a member of a cigar club that would like to make use of a mailing
list.  I would like to use mailman for the list.  I hear running your
own email server can be a headache because of all of the security
concerns.  Is there a free service available for small clubs to make
use of the mailman mailing list?


There are free or very low cost services for your situation. See
http://wiki.list.org/x/Hg.


If not can I run a mailman mailing
list from my home using a broadband connection, dyndns, and a linux
box, or should I be looking into hosting options?


Dynamic DNS is a problem for a server sending email. Many ISPs will do
a reverse lookup on the sending IP and if it doesn't point back to the
sending domain, will reject the mail.

Fom the above wiki page, http://www.emwd.com/mailman.html offer list
hosting starting at $4.00 per month, and they are active on this
mailman-users list which is further evidence that they are offering
real Mailman service.

There may be others that would do as well for you.

-- 
Mark Sapiro m...@msapiro.netThe highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Small list for club

2009-09-11 Thread Barry Warsaw

On Sep 11, 2009, at 11:36 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote:


Dynamic DNS is a problem for a server sending email. Many ISPs will do
a reverse lookup on the sending IP and if it doesn't point back to the
sending domain, will reject the mail.


Even though I have a static address, my ISP won't give me a reverse  
DNS, so it can be a problem with any residential broadband service.   
Still it's very rare that I get such rejections these days (RedHat was  
one culprit, but they whitelisted me).


-Barry



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Small list for club

2009-09-11 Thread Grant Taylor

On 09/11/09 10:45, Barry Warsaw wrote:
Even though I have a static address, my ISP won't give me a reverse DNS, 
so it can be a problem with any residential broadband service.  Still 
it's very rare that I get such rejections these days (RedHat was one 
culprit, but they whitelisted me).


Even if they are rare, you will still have problems like that.

You could run your own mail server at your house and use your ISP's mail 
server as a smart host and get past the rejections because of your 
dynamic IP.


It now sounds like you already have a mail server at your house (and 
likely versed in some of the problems that can pose) and all you are 
considering adding is Mailman.  If this is the case, I'd suggest giving 
Mailman a try.  Conversely if you are talking about setting up a new 
mail server just to run Mailman, I'd suggest looking in to a hosted 
service.  (I think setting up a new mail server just for a mailing list 
is a bit of a steep curve.)




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Re: [Mailman-Users] Small list for club

2009-09-11 Thread Brian Carpenter
 I am a member of a cigar club that would like to make use of a mailing
 list.  I would like to use mailman for the list.  I hear running your
 own email server can be a headache because of all of the security
 concerns.  Is there a free service available for small clubs to make
 use of the mailman mailing list?  If not can I run a mailman mailing
 list from my home using a broadband connection, dyndns, and a linux
 box, or should I be looking into hosting options?  If hosting is the
 way to go can someone point out a mailman list provider that may fit
 my needs?
 
 Thanks,
 Mike
 --

Hi Mike:

I recommend you check out our mailman service at
http://www.emwd.com/mailman.html. We are not free but we are not expensive
either. Small clubs such as yours makes up a good percentage of our mailman
clients.

Have a great weekend.  :^)

Regards,
Brian Carpenter
EMWD.com


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