Re: [MlMt] Junk / not junk

[Steven M. Bellovin]

On 17 Jan 2016, at 22:07, Patrik Fältström wrote:


On 17 Jan 2016, at 22:12, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

To make sure I understand: these two actions, "move to junk" and 
"move out of junk", are for use on the machine that has SpamSieve 
installed.  On other machines that use the same IMAP server, one 
should use the "good" and "bad" folders per the SpamSieve 
instructions, in order to update SpamSieve's training rules.  Is this 
all correct?


You mean this:

http://c-command.com/spamsieve/manual#setting-up-a-mailmate-d

I have myself SpamSieve installed on two macs acting against the same 
IMAP account(s).


I do the "mark as junk" and "move out of junk" and walks through the 
"Junk" mailbox manually on both MailMate installations now and then.


Is this wrong you think?


I use option #2 of 
http://c-command.com/spamsieve/manual#spamsieve-and-multiple -- running 
it on two Macs means that the two won't have the same training data, so 
they'll behave inconsistently (at least as I understand it).  It also 
lets me reclassify mail from my iPhone and iPad.


--Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb


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[MlMt] Coding special keys in the key bindings file

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


How do you code the special keys in the key binding file?

I've found only ^ for CTRL (I hope this is correct ;-)… but how do you 
write CMD, SHIFT and ALT?


Thanks!


Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] "Junk State = Junk" & "Move to Junk" with one keystroke?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

It works only for the mailbox I was in in the moment I close MailMate.
Example: If I'm in Inbox and I'm closing MailMate, after restarting 
MailMate it only works when I'm in or switching to Inbox, but not in 
Sent, Drafts, Deleted or Junk. Correspondently, if I'm in Sent when I'm 
closing MailMate, after restarting the focus works only in Sent but in 
no other mailbox.



On 18 Jan 2016, at 7:53, Fredrik Jonsson wrote:


Vlad Ghitulescu 2016-01-18 15:49 wrote:


Please see attached screenshot.
The path to my key binding file is: /Users/Vlad/Library/Application 
Support/MailMate/Resources/KeyBindings/VladsCustom.plist


Everything thing seems to be in order, I have no idea why it's not 
working for you.


If you make any changes to the KeyBindings you need to restart 
MailMate for it to take effect.


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Re: [MlMt] "Junk State = Junk" & "Move to Junk" with one keystroke?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Vlad Ghitulescu 2016-01-18 15:21 wrote:

> It didn't work for me.

I'm on version 1.9.3 (5187). Whats your version?

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Re: [MlMt] Junk / not junk

[Patrik Fältström]

On 18 Jan 2016, at 4:22, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

> It also lets me reclassify mail from my iPhone and iPad.

Ahh...ok, from them I just ignore the classification. But I use MailMate most 
of the time (I completely rely on virtual folders in my life).

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Re: [MlMt] Coding special keys in the key bindings file

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Vlad Ghitulescu 2016-01-18 15:35 wrote:


How do you code the special keys in the key binding file?


You have a table with all special keys in the manual 
.


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Re: [MlMt] "Junk State = Junk" & "Move to Junk" with one keystroke?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Vlad Ghitulescu 2016-01-18 15:25 wrote:


Here is my key binding - file:


Pasted in this in my KeyBindings file and all the keys worked without 
problem for me.


What do you have in the Custom Key Bindings preference?

MailMate -> Preferences… -> General

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Re: [MlMt] "Junk State = Junk" & "Move to Junk" with one keystroke?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

It didn't work for me.


On 18 Jan 2016, at 2:31, Fredrik Jonsson wrote:


Sherman Wilcox 2016-01-18 2:05 wrote:


	"i" = ( "goToMailbox:", "INBOX", "makeFirstResponder:", 
"mainOutline");



I'm pretty sure I tested having "goToMailbox" and "makeFirstResponder" 
in the same keybinding at some point but it did not work. Thanks for 
showing me that it works now, have added it to all my goto:s!

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[MlMt] *Last of Thread* not quite the inverse of *Root of Thread*

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


I’ve generated *a few* :-) discussion-threads with my questions about 
using MailMate, so I was using extensively the *Last of Thread*- and 
*Root of Thread*-commands in order to navigate up and down through the 
emails.


I observed that *Last of Thread* jumps on the last email in the thread 
**by staying in the email-list**, while *Root of Thread* (that I press 
in order to jump back to the first email in the thread) brings me to the 
original thread-email **but isolate that thread** (and so jumps out of 
the email list). Returning to the list implies clicking on the - button 
on the upper right.


Why the difference?
Or is it another way to return to the first email in a thread whitout 
leaving the email-list-view?


Thanks!


Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] "Junk State = Junk" & "Move to Junk" with one keystroke?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Thanks, Benny!

It only works on reply though, and **not for new emails**.

Bug or it's by design?


Regards,
Vlad





On 17 Jan 2016, at 14:43, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

> On 17 Jan 2016, at 8:18, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:
>
>> Do you have the UUID for BBEdit?
>
> Here you are: `4382C559-76C1-4950-BD10-33A1EBCA9B5D`.
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Re: [MlMt] How to start MailMate having the focus on an email in the mail list

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Thanks, I'll make a key binding (now I know how 8-) for it.


On 17 Jan 2016, at 14:43, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 17 Jan 2016, at 11:29, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

First question: How can I put the focus (with the keyboard, not using 
the mouse/trackpad) on the email shown?


I'll note to look into the default focus (I think I've promised that 
once before :) ).


A custom key binding can be used to set focus using the keyboard:

( "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline" );

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Re: [MlMt] Junk / not junk

[Steven M. Bellovin]

On 17 Jan 2016, at 14:37, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 17 Jan 2016, at 18:41, Patrik Fältström wrote:

I am running MailMate with SpamSieve, and of course there are a 
number of actions on junk that I would like to have clarified.


When manually acting on junk/not junk I do:


I'm not sure I understood your list, but there were no question marks 
:-)



When looking at the selectors I see "markAsJunk:".

Is that the same as "Junk State" -> "Junk"?


Yes.

Is the menu item "Move to Junk" doing both "Junk State" -> "Junk" and 
move of the message?


Yes. Most users should only need “Move to Junk”. Moving something 
out of junk (no matter how it's done) automatically registers it as 
non-junk with SpamSieve.


To make sure I understand: these two actions, "move to junk" and "move 
out of junk", are for use on the machine that has SpamSieve installed.  
On other machines that use the same IMAP server, one should use the 
"good" and "bad" folders per the SpamSieve instructions, in order to 
update SpamSieve's training rules.  Is this all correct?


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Re: [MlMt] Junk / not junk

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On 17 Jan 2016, at 18:41, Patrik Fältström wrote:

I am running MailMate with SpamSieve, and of course there are a number 
of actions on junk that I would like to have clarified.


When manually acting on junk/not junk I do:


I'm not sure I understood your list, but there were no question marks 
:-)



When looking at the selectors I see "markAsJunk:".

Is that the same as "Junk State" -> "Junk"?


Yes.

Is the menu item "Move to Junk" doing both "Junk State" -> "Junk" and 
move of the message?


Yes. Most users should only need “Move to Junk”. Moving something 
out of junk (no matter how it's done) automatically registers it as 
non-junk with SpamSieve.


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Re: [MlMt] Junk / not junk

[Patrik Fältström]

On 17 Jan 2016, at 20:37, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

>> Is the menu item "Move to Junk" doing both "Junk State" -> "Junk" and move 
>> of the message?
>
> Yes. Most users should only need “Move to Junk”. Moving something out of junk 
> (no matter how it's done) automatically registers it as non-junk with 
> SpamSieve.

Perfect!

I.e. I understand now that my real question would be "do the actions move out 
of junk, or to junk" implicitly also interact with SpamSieve?

And the answer is yes.

Excellent!

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Re: [MlMt] How to make rules?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

It worked, thanks!

Just a thought: Wouldn't be nice to pre-populate the fields of the rule 
with the data from the activated email?



Regards,
Vlad




On 17 Jan 2016, at 14:43, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 17 Jan 2016, at 8:23, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


How do you make rules in MailMate?

Example: I've got this email (see attachment) and I want to directly 
delete all similar emails (= same *TO* and same *SUBJECT*).

How do I do this?


* Select the Inbox (maybe just the Inbox for the related account).
* Select the “Mailbox ▸ Edit Mailbox” menu item.
* Switch to the “Rules” pane.
* Add a rule with the to/subject conditions.
* Add an action to move to “Deleted Messages”.

Note that the rule is only applied to new messages in the mailbox. If 
you have problems then first try creating a smart mailbox matching the 
same messages -- to make sure that part works.


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Re: [MlMt] "Junk State = Junk" & "Move to Junk" with one keystroke?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

One more question / bug: saving and closing in BBEdit leaves me in 
BBEdit, even when the MailMate-email - now ready to be sent - is waiting 
for me. Why not re-activate MailMate?



Regards,
Vlad



On 17 Jan 2016, at 14:43, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 17 Jan 2016, at 8:18, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


Do you have the UUID for BBEdit?


Here you are: `4382C559-76C1-4950-BD10-33A1EBCA9B5D`.

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Re: [MlMt] "Junk State = Junk" & "Move to Junk" with one keystroke?

[Fredrik Jonsson]

Sherman Wilcox 2016-01-18 2:05 wrote:

	"i" = ( "goToMailbox:", "INBOX", "makeFirstResponder:", 
"mainOutline");


I'm pretty sure I tested having "goToMailbox" and "makeFirstResponder" 
in the same keybinding at some point but it did not work. Thanks for 
showing me that it works now, have added it to all my goto:s!


And thanks Benny for continually polishing MailMate!

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Re: [MlMt] Junk / not junk

[Patrik Fältström]

On 17 Jan 2016, at 22:12, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

> To make sure I understand: these two actions, "move to junk" and "move out of 
> junk", are for use on the machine that has SpamSieve installed.  On other 
> machines that use the same IMAP server, one should use the "good" and "bad" 
> folders per the SpamSieve instructions, in order to update SpamSieve's 
> training rules.  Is this all correct?

You mean this:

http://c-command.com/spamsieve/manual#setting-up-a-mailmate-d

I have myself SpamSieve installed on two macs acting against the same IMAP 
account(s).

I do the "mark as junk" and "move out of junk" and walks through the "Junk" 
mailbox manually on both MailMate installations now and then.

Is this wrong you think?

   Patrik


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[MlMt] changing the synchronisation schedule under 5 minutes

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


Is it possible to change the synchronization schedule under the 5 
minutes that are actually the minimum?


I’m testing now MailMate and when opened in parallel with Mail.app, 
Mail.app is showing once in a while a fresh email before MailMate even 
noticing this due to the tighter synchronization schedule in Mail.app (1 
minutes instead of 5).


Thanks!


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[MlMt] How to start MailMate having the focus on an email in the mail list

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Hello!


After start MailMate shows (in the *Widescreen*-Layout) the last email, 
but **whitout having the focus on it**.


That means that commands like moveToMailbox, markAsJunk etc. will work 
(on it), but moving through the message-list will work only with 
CMD-arrow up/down and **not** also with simply arrow up/down (as when 
the focus is put on this email).


First question: How can I put the focus (with the keyboard, not using 
the mouse/trackpad) on the email shown?


Second question: If this is the whish-behaviour and not a bug, for which 
purpose is better to **not** have the focus on the email shown?


Thanks!


Regards,
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Re: [MlMt] How to make rules?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 17 Jan 2016, at 8:23, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


How do you make rules in MailMate?

Example: I've got this email (see attachment) and I want to directly 
delete all similar emails (= same *TO* and same *SUBJECT*).

How do I do this?


* Select the Inbox (maybe just the Inbox for the related account).
* Select the “Mailbox ▸ Edit Mailbox” menu item.
* Switch to the “Rules” pane.
* Add a rule with the to/subject conditions.
* Add an action to move to “Deleted Messages”.

Note that the rule is only applied to new messages in the mailbox. If 
you have problems then first try creating a smart mailbox matching the 
same messages -- to make sure that part works.


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Re: [MlMt] "Junk State = Junk" & "Move to Junk" with one keystroke?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 17 Jan 2016, at 11:54, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


"t" = ( "goToMailbox:", "TRASH" );

However pressing *t* only brings a dialog about adding/removing tags!
(that I'm not able to find in the menu-bar! :-()


This is a special shortcut configured in the Tags preferences pane. You 
need to change that to “free” the shortcut for other issues.


(and this only while *not* having the focus on an email - *with* focus 
it opens a field above the email, but for what?!… as you see, even 
more questions arise! ;-)


Any ideas?


With a single message selected then the text field contains any existing 
tags which can then be edited. When multiple messages are selected then 
two text fields are shown. One for adding tags, and one for removing 
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Re: [MlMt] How to start MailMate having the focus on an email in the mail list

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 17 Jan 2016, at 11:29, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

First question: How can I put the focus (with the keyboard, not using 
the mouse/trackpad) on the email shown?


I'll note to look into the default focus (I think I've promised that 
once before :) ).


A custom key binding can be used to set focus using the keyboard:

( "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline" );

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Re: [MlMt] "Junk State = Junk" & "Move to Junk" with one keystroke?

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 17 Jan 2016, at 8:18, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

> Do you have the UUID for BBEdit?

Here you are: `4382C559-76C1-4950-BD10-33A1EBCA9B5D`.

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Re: [MlMt] "Junk State = Junk" & "Move to Junk" with one keystroke?

[Vlad Ghitulescu]

Thanks, Padraic, the copy-trick it was very useful!

Regarding syntax errors while debugging: where can I see them?
Is there a console / log / whatever, where they are listed?

As a (frustrating!!! ;-) example: I’m trying right now **only** this 
keybinding


"t" = ( "goToMailbox:", "TRASH" );

where TRASH is the result of your copy-trick, so the name **is** right.

However pressing *t* only brings a dialog about adding/removing tags!
(that I'm not able to find in the menu-bar! :-()
(and this only while *not* having the focus on an email - *with* focus 
it opens a field above the email, but for what?!… as you see, even 
more questions arise! ;-)


Any ideas?

Thanks!


Regards,
Vlad




On 16 Jan 2016, at 20:15, Padraic Renaghan wrote:

You can copy (⌘C) on the mailbox in MailMate and it will copy that 
mailbox's "id" to the clipboard
You can paste that directly into the key bindings file for any action 
you want done in the context of that mailbox


I have found that debugging key bindings can be tricky. If you have a 
syntax error it may not parse the remainder of the file. Best to start 
with one, comment out everything else, test that one, if it works then 
comment out the next one and test and so on.


P

On 16 Jan 2016, at 13:56, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


Hello again, Fredrik!


On 16 Jan 2016, at 11:54, Fredrik Jonsson wrote:


Vlad Ghitulescu 2016-01-16 19:39 wrote:

Is there a place in MailMate to do this or is something I do in 
system preferences / Keyboard Maestro?


Custom key bindings is one of MailMates killer features in my 
opinion, everything can be done from the keyboard.


Manual here: 

I have a blog post where you find the keybinding I use at 
.


I’ve read everything, took shamelessly ;-) your .plist-file, 
commented everything and started to test.


No problems at all with:

"n" = "newMessage:";
"m" = "moveToMailbox:";
"j" = ( "markAsJunk:", "moveToJunk:" );
"J" = ( "markAsNotJunk:" );
"g" = "goToMailbox:";

**but** no success (even no reaction at all) with:

"i" = ( "goToMailbox:", "INBOX" );

Perhaps because I have 3 accounts in MailMate (already ;-) and 
correspondently 3 different INBOXes?




Fredrik


Vlad


P.S. 2. question on using the bbedit-command. I’ve started this 
reply in MailMate, switched over to BBEdit with CTRL-CMD-O, finished 
the message, saved and closed - in order to return to MailMate and 
send the message. Is there a way to open the reply **directly** in 
BBEdit (and not first in MailMate)?

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Re: [MlMt] mailmate Digest, Vol 58, Issue 16

[Sherman Wilcox]

On 17 Jan 2016, at 8:57, mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com wrote:


I have found that debugging key bindings can be tricky.


It’s true, and Padraic’s troubleshooting method of commenting out 
and testing new keybindings is a good idea. Benny is always helpful too.


But the payoff is worth the effort. I would prefer to NEVER take my 
fingers off the keyboard when doing email. Only MailMate lets me get 
close to this. I have a keybindings .plist for changing focus among the 
three panels (mailbox list, message list, and message), navigate to my 
most commonly used folders, file messages to most common destination 
folders, and more. It was based on the Postbox keybindings .plist but I 
have revised it extensively.


I also have a few KeyboardMaestro shortcuts that I use with MailMate for 
multistep tasks (maybe this can be done in MailMate).


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Re: [MlMt] mailmate Digest, Vol 58, Issue 16

[Sherman Wilcox]

On 17 Jan 2016, at 8:57, mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com wrote:


I have found that debugging key bindings can be tricky.


For what it’s worth, here are some navigational keybindings that I 
use, including some that are directly pointing to specific mailboxes in 
my main account. Yes, I sometimes have multiple keybindings to go to the 
same mailbox. I consider them “alternate fingerings” (former oboe 
player here) for use in different typing contexts.



//  Navigation
	"I" = ( "goToMailbox:", 
"imap://shermanwilcox%40fastmail...@mail.messagingengine.com/INBOX/ICLA", 
"makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline");
	"X" = ( "goToMailbox:", 
"imap://shermanwilcox%40fastmail...@mail.messagingengine.com/INBOX/FlexCard", 
"makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline");
	"A" = ( "goToMailbox:", "ARCHIVE", "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline" 
);

"S" = ( "goToMailbox:", "SENT", "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline" );
"K" = ( "goToMailbox:", "JUNK", "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline" );
"i" = ( "goToMailbox:", "INBOX", "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline");
"D" = ( "goToMailbox:", "TRASH", "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline");
	"R" = ( "goToMailbox:", 
"imap://shermanwilcox%40fastmail...@mail.messagingengine.com/INBOX/Receipts", 
"makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline");

"," = ( "goToMailbox:", "INBOX", "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline");
	"." = ( "goToMailbox:", "ARCHIVE", "makeFirstResponder:", "mainOutline" 
);




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Re: [MlMt] mailmate Digest, Vol 58, Issue 16

[Barton Lipman]

Could you post the Keyboard Maestro shortcuts?

Thanks!

Bart


On 17 Jan 2016, at 12:01, Sherman Wilcox wrote:


On 17 Jan 2016, at 8:57, mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com wrote:


I have found that debugging key bindings can be tricky.


It’s true, and Padraic’s troubleshooting method of commenting out 
and testing new keybindings is a good idea. Benny is always helpful 
too.


But the payoff is worth the effort. I would prefer to NEVER take my 
fingers off the keyboard when doing email. Only MailMate lets me get 
close to this. I have a keybindings .plist for changing focus among 
the three panels (mailbox list, message list, and message), navigate 
to my most commonly used folders, file messages to most common 
destination folders, and more. It was based on the Postbox keybindings 
.plist but I have revised it extensively.


I also have a few KeyboardMaestro shortcuts that I use with MailMate 
for multistep tasks (maybe this can be done in MailMate).


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[MlMt] Junk / not junk

[Patrik Fältström]

Hi,

I am running MailMate with SpamSieve, and of course there are a number of 
actions on junk that I would like to have clarified.

When manually acting on junk/not junk I do:

- When looking at junk NOT in the junk folder

"Junk State" -> "Junk"
"Delete"

- When looking at junk in the junk folder

"Junk State" -> "Junk"
"Delete"

- When looking at not junk in the junk folder

"Junk State" -> "Not Junk"
"Move out of Junk"


When looking at the selectors I see "markAsJunk:".

Is that the same as "Junk State" -> "Junk"?

Is the menu item "Move to Junk" doing both "Junk State" -> "Junk" and move of 
the message?

Hmm...

   Patrik



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