Re: [MlMt] More on deleting a message and subsequent selection

2017-07-25 Thread Rob McBroom

On 25 Jul 2017, at 10:47, Rob McBroom wrote:

After more testing, it seems like the window 
closes _unless_ you’re looking at the only message in the folder.


Now that I know what to look for, I can confirm that this is definitely 
the problem. The message window stays open only when the 
archive/junk/delete operation leaves the selected folder empty in the 
main (background) window.


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Re: [MlMt] More on deleting a message and subsequent selection

2017-07-25 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 25 Jul 2017, at 15:34, Rob McBroom wrote:

I double clicked a few messages (one at a time) and hit ⌫. In each 
case, the message was removed and the message window closed.


In the inbox for one account, I had two messages I wanted to archive. 
(I did it the long way for testing purposes.) One was a reply to the 
other. I opened the top-level message and hit `a`. The message was 
moved and the window was closed. I opened the reply (now the only 
message in the inbox) and hit `a`. The message was moved, but the 
window stayed.


I tried to use this to reproduce the issue, but I was unsuccessful. I do 
have another user reporting the same issue and I'll let you know if I 
have something for you to test.


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Re: [MlMt] UI/UX issues

2017-07-25 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 25 Jul 2017, at 0:04, Greg Earle wrote:

I've been loving watching MailMate catch up to Apple Mail in usability 
over the last few years, but some UI/UX issues still drive me a bit 
crazy.


Sorry about that.

If I switch from one folder to another, where I end up in that new 
folder seems to be nearly random:


The main strategy is that you should end up where you were the last time 
you viewed the folder. There seems to be a combination of this and 
possible bugs resulting in the following.


Sometimes I end up at the most recent message.  (This is good.  I like 
this.)


Sometimes I end up at a random point in the folder.  (This is not so 
good.)


Sometimes I end up at the oldest message.  (This is really not good.  
I don't like this.)


There's no Preference setting for this that I can see.  The Principle 
of Least Surprise™ says I should either get put at the most recent 
message, or whatever the message was that I was viewing the last time 
I visited the folder.


Is there some way to control this behavior?


Unfortunately not, but I'll make sure to note your comments such that I 
remember them when I get around to refactoring the whole mailbox state 
store/restore system.


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Re: [MlMt] Updating account information made MailMate (re)download *all* email

2017-07-25 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 24 Jul 2017, at 23:34, Adam Liter wrote:

FWIW, the sluggishness seems to be triggered by talking to the 
FastMail servers. I quit MailMate and reopened in order to be able to 
compose the email that I just sent. As soon as it started sending, 
MailMate became really sluggish. As I write this email, it takes about 
two-three seconds for each keystroke to register, sometimes longer.


I think that's because MailMate is looking for emails which have 
mysteriously gone away. (Deleting emails in the database is distributed 
over time and therefore this can go on for a long time if a lot of 
emails have disappeared from disk.)



On 24 Jul 2017, at 17:30, Adam Liter wrote:

About a year later, I finally got around to setting up 2FA with 
FastMail and using app specific passwords. Because of the experiences 
that others mentioned in this thread, I ended up deleting my previous 
FastMail IMAP account in MailMate as well as deleting the messages in 
`~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Messages/IMAP/`.


You shouldn't have done that last part. Never let anything but MailMate 
remove or add any files in the `Messages` folder. It is to be considered 
to be a private database which is just saved in a very readable 
format/hierarchy.


I'm probably going to reinstall MailMate and see if starting fresh 
helps, as mentioned in this thread.


That's unfortunately also the only way to fix it now. You can keep the 
`.plist` files to make it easier (in `~/Library/Application 
Support/MailMate/`).


However, I wanted mention this in case there's anything I could do to 
help debug this, Benny, while I'm still experiencing the problem.


Thanks!

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Re: [MlMt] UI/UX issues

2017-07-25 Thread Robert Brenstein
It seems that MM generally remembers the last state for each mailbox. If 
switching after a search, it seems to change the state to bring search 
result into view, which I find sometimes confusing.


On 25 Jul 2017, at 0:04, Greg Earle wrote:

I've been loving watching MailMate catch up to Apple Mail in usability 
over the last few years, but some UI/UX issues still drive me a bit 
crazy.


If I switch from one folder to another, where I end up in that new 
folder seems to be nearly random:


Sometimes I end up at the most recent message.  (This is good.  I like 
this.)


Sometimes I end up at a random point in the folder.  (This is not so 
good.)


Sometimes I end up at the oldest message.  (This is really not good.  
I don't like this.)


There's no Preference setting for this that I can see.  The Principle 
of Least Surprise™ says I should either get put at the most recent 
message, or whatever the message was that I was viewing the last time 
I visited the folder.


Is there some way to control this behavior?
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