Re: [MlMt] UGH.. Gmail won't authenticate

2019-06-02 Thread TJ Luoma
Google was having an outage earlier today. That may have been the root
cause of the issue you were having.

TjL


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On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 6:17 PM Annamarie Pluhar
 wrote:
>
> I'm using the web app to write this.  I'm not sure what to do. MM is an 
> approved 3rd party app in my Google settings.  Should I remove it and start 
> over? Should I delete the account from MM and reset it up. (I have LOTS of 
> smart mailboxes so this would be a pain.)
>
> Do let me know, I'm copying myself on one of my other emails that is working. 
> Please use that address?
>
> Thanks
> Annamarie
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Re: [MlMt] UGH.. Gmail won't authenticate

2019-06-02 Thread Scott
Hi,

> I'm using the web app to write this.  I'm not sure what to do. MM is an
> approved 3rd party app in my Google settings.  Should I remove it and start
> over? Should I delete the account from MM and reset it up. (I have LOTS of
> smart mailboxes so this would be a pain.)
>
> Do let me know, I'm copying myself on one of my other emails that is
> working. Please use that address?


It could be:

https://downdetector.com/status/gmail

Google has had outages for the last few hours for several platforms.

Scott

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[MlMt] UGH.. Gmail won't authenticate

2019-06-02 Thread Annamarie Pluhar
I'm using the web app to write this.  I'm not sure what to do. MM is an
approved 3rd party app in my Google settings.  Should I remove it and start
over? Should I delete the account from MM and reset it up. (I have LOTS of
smart mailboxes so this would be a pain.)

Do let me know, I'm copying myself on one of my other emails that is
working. Please use that address?

Thanks
Annamarie
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Re: [MlMt] Notes on latest test release and Gmail OAuth application verification

2019-06-02 Thread Annamarie Pluhar
Ugh. It’s not working for me. My gmail spins and spins and then i get 
unauthorized. But MM is an authorized app. I’ve gone into those settings at 
google. I could reinstall the account? I have many smart mailboxes.  Ugh. 

Thoughts ? 

Annamarie

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> On May 31, 2019, at 2:11 PM, Patrik Fältström via mailmate 
>  wrote:
> 
> Excellent news! Thanks!
> 
>   Patrik
> 
>> On 31 May 2019, at 12:16, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
>> 
>> Hi MailMate users,
>> 
>> a couple of updates on the subjects I wrote about a month ago.
>> 
>> First some very good news: I've finally passed the verification process for 
>> the Google OAuth API. It has been a bit frustrating and involved weird steps 
>> including making a YouTube video essentially showing that MailMate is an 
>> email client. In the end I was again asked to go through the security audit, 
>> but after yet another appeal it was revealed that this was a mistake. This 
>> means that MailMate will continue to support Gmail -- also after January 
>> 2019. Well, at least until the next time Google decides to threaten to pull 
>> the OAuth plug.
>> 
>> My work on WKWebView (the new message view) continues. It's still not ready 
>> for testing (because of a lack of essential features like image blocking and 
>> signing/encryption results), but I've added important major features like 
>> the “Find” interface to do text searches. A new feature is that this now 
>> also works for the headers. Scrolling behavior has been tricky to implement, 
>> but this is almost complete. Next up are changes needed for how HTML is 
>> created for the message view. The new message view allows multiple HTML 
>> segments to be created and displayed in separate HTML views. This is both 
>> more flexible and more robust with respect to security when dealing with 
>> signed/encrypted content and/or when displaying complex and/or multiple 
>> messages.
>> 
>> (And the bad news: When I work on major features I tend to fall behind on 
>> answering emails and updating support tickets.)
>> 
>> -- 
>> Benny
>> https://freron.com/become_a_mailmate_patron/
>> 
>>> On 30 Apr 2019, at 16:56, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi MailMate users,
>>> 
>>> I know I'm behind on answering emails (also on the mailing list), but it 
>>> doesn't mean I'm not working :)
>>> 
>>> ## WKWebView
>>> 
>>> Right now I'd just like to note that I'm busy working on replacing the main 
>>> message view in MailMate. It currently uses the so-called WebView class 
>>> provided by Apple, but this was deprecated a long time ago (by Apple) and 
>>> it should be replaced by a so-called WKWebView. Both classes are used to 
>>> display HTML (which MailMate also generates to display plain text messages) 
>>> and if that is all that is needed then it's a simple replacement. But 
>>> MailMate also has image blocking, context sensitive menus, text search, 
>>> etc. and all of this has to work in a completely different way. In some 
>>> cases, it's not even clear that I can provide the same features as before. 
>>> We'll see about that. WKWebView is 10.10+, but right now it looks like 
>>> image blocking can only work on 10.13+. I'm not quite sure what to do about 
>>> that yet...
>>> 
>>> The latest test release includes the new message view, but it's disabled 
>>> for now because too many things don't work yet. I'm mainly writing about 
>>> this since some changes might also affect the old message view in the 
>>> latest test release.
>>> 
>>> The good news is that when the replacement is finished then I should, at 
>>> least in theory, be able to fix various old issues.
>>> 
>>> ## Google OAuth API Application Verification
>>> 
>>> MailMate uses the so-called OAuth2 authentication method for Gmail 
>>> IMAP/SMTP access. This works far better than password-based access which I 
>>> suspect is eventually going to be dropped completely by Google. I had (and 
>>> still have) some reservations about OAuth2 support which I outlined in 
>>> [this blog 
>>> post](https://blog.freron.com/2015/is-oauth2-support-a-good-thing/). I 
>>> expressed that I worried that Google would some day use OAuth2 to “hit the 
>>> kill switch” on MailMate...
>>> 
>>> ...and recently I was told by Google that I needed to start a verification 
>>> process for MailMate. I've done that and if I understand correctly I have 
>>> until the end of 2019 to complete this process.
>>> 
>>> Now, the problem is that I'm not really sure I can (or is willing to) 
>>> complete the verification process at all. It *might* include a security 
>>> audit with a price tag between $15000 and $75000+ (I'm clearly in the wrong 
>>> business). There seems to be exemptions for desktop email applications and 
>>> I've asked Google to clarify this, but I also feel that I'm obligated