[MlMt] email archiver searching
(Sorry, I didn't keep the original thread, but...) Someone was asking about email archivers and the "best" searching. I recommended MailSteward previously, so this time I'll point out that it uses the industry standard mySQL or SQLite, and so can be searched not only from within the MS program itself, but by any standard software that works with either of those sql variations. HTH ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Getting SpamSieve to work with Junk folder of source account
On 5 Aug 2021, at 22:37, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote: > It sounds like that account is filtering for spam/junk one the server, so it > never arrives to MailMate for SpamSieve filtering. If I am right, you would > have to disable filtering on the server and let your local SpamSieve deal > with it. The server is likely adding headers for whatever filtering it is > doing, so if all you’re looking for is headers to sort by, or whatever, > something may already be there. > I am certain you are right… the server is doing the filtering, e.g., X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: spam 300 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: phishing Applied against a “balance update” message from a major credit card company. This is why I am asking about what more I need to do in MailMate to undo this and let SpamSieve decide… fixing the spam filtering at the server is not an option. Gavan Schneider —— Gavan Schneider, Sodwalls, NSW, Australia Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. — H. L. Mencken, 1920 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Getting SpamSieve to work with Junk folder of source account
On 5 Aug 2021, at 22:42, Robert Brenstein wrote: > Have you told the spam filters that those are good messages? You need to > train spamsieve ;-) > As you have implied the training has been extensive, and when SpamSeive is applied the message scores are 1, so SpamSieve is never getting asked. > If that does not help, check the blacklist in the spamsieve and remove any > wrong entries. > As above, no wrong entries. The problem is more along the lines of the server doing the filtering as was mentioned by Verdon just now, and others on recent threads. Gavan Schneider —— Gavan Schneider, Sodwalls, NSW, Australia Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. — H. L. Mencken, 1920 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mail archive tools - best searching
Stability of MM aside, I'd recommend FoxTrot Professional from CTM software. It has a very sophisticated search syntax, and will handle virtually any type of file. I don't think it has a syntax specific to email, but you might be able to overcome that with good enough queries (like find "bob" 1 word away from "from" and "beer" one word away from "subject"). There is a month trial so you can try it. Zvi On 5 Aug 2021, at 7:16, MM_Arc wrote: Antonia, I would recommend you to alt-Check_for_Update to load the latest Test_Build r5820 which is very stable imho Alternatively you can go to https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/ and load a less recent Test_Build Regards, Marc On 4 Aug 2021, at 21:52, Antonio Leding wrote: Thanks for your responses and yeah, I would very much like to resolve the crash issue but I know Benny is busy so frankly, I really didn’t wanna be a bother and push the issue especially in these awesome pandemic times. When this began, I allowed the system to send the crash reports but after a month or two, I stopped because it seemed to have the same data. Regardless, I will resume sending them in starting with the next crash. As to version: macOS High Sierra 10.13.6; MailMate is 1.13.1 (5682) but this began on a previous version at least 6-8 months ago… - - - On 4 Aug 2021, at 0:54, MM_Arc wrote: Hello Antonio, Which version of MacOS and which version of MM are you using ? I’ve ran into some issues with development versions which Benny ( Mr. MM ) quickly resolved. Regards, Marc On 3 Aug 2021, at 22:38, Antonio Leding wrote: Hello MailMate community, My inquiry today has to do with the search facilities of the various mail archiving tools out there. Based on my reading of the mailer archives, the following tools seem to get a lot of mention: * Devon * EagleFiler * Mail Steward * Horcrux * Mail Archiver X **As baseline**, I truly love MailMate’s search facility. I find it to be incredibly functional and an essential tool that enables me to easily find emails especially when I have very little search criteria. So MailMate’s search functionality is a minimum requirement for me. **Next - my current setup**: I have a locally installed Dovecot server that is dedicated to archives. This works great and because it is accessible via MailMate, access & searching of archives is essentially the same as for “live” email. And while I do love the consistency, it is not a “must-have” like the search functionality is. **The issue???** Simply put, MailMate is unstable - well, it is for me at least. Despite running various MailMate versions across different Macs & OS versions, MailMate still crashes at least 3-5 times per week. So, in an attempt to find a more stable scenario, I’ve decided to check with you all and solicit feedback regarding how well each of the above apps implements search facilities. I’ve actually tried both Devon & EagleFiler and while Devon’s search seems to rival that of MailMate, I find EagleFiler’s search to be somewhat lacking. Perhaps this is a user error issue and if so, then please feel free to educate me. So with that, I respectfully request any feedback you would like to share re: your mail archiver of choice and how well it provides search facilities. Thanks in advance… — Tony — ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Getting SpamSieve to work with Junk folder of source account
Have you told the spam filters that those are good messages? You need to train spamsieve ;-) If that does not help, check the blacklist in the spamsieve and remove any wrong entries. On 5 Aug 2021, at 14:25, Gavan Schneider via mailmate wrote: Greetings all I am using SpamSieve and have all the setup done as per instructions… and all the messages in my normal input stream get a SpamSieve score. My problem is with one account where some messages are in that account’s “Junk” folder and therefore appear in the consolidated “Junk” folder. They are not getting a SpamSieve score (and are mostly not spam). What extra steps are needed so SpamSieve gets to process these messages? My system: MailMate/5820/…/x86_64/iMac18,2/4 macOS 11.5 Many thanks in advance Gavan Schneider —— Gavan Schneider, Sodwalls, NSW, Australia Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. — H. L. Mencken, 1920 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Getting SpamSieve to work with Junk folder of source account
It sounds like that account is filtering for spam/junk one the server, so it never arrives to MailMate for SpamSieve filtering. If I am right, you would have to disable filtering on the server and let your local SpamSieve deal with it. The server is likely adding headers for whatever filtering it is doing, so if all you’re looking for is headers to sort by, or whatever, something may already be there. Verdon On 5 Aug 2021, at 8:25, Gavan Schneider via mailmate wrote: > Greetings all > > I am using SpamSieve and have all the setup done as per instructions… and all > the messages in my normal input stream get a SpamSieve score. > > My problem is with one account where some messages are in that account’s > “Junk” folder and therefore appear in the consolidated “Junk” folder. They > are not getting a SpamSieve score (and are mostly not spam). What extra steps > are needed so SpamSieve gets to process these messages? > > My system: MailMate/5820/…/x86_64/iMac18,2/4 macOS 11.5 > > Many thanks in advance > > Gavan Schneider > —— > Gavan Schneider, Sodwalls, NSW, Australia > Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a > well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. > — H. L. Mencken, 1920 > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -- Verdon Vaillancourt ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Getting SpamSieve to work with Junk folder of source account
Greetings all I am using SpamSieve and have all the setup done as per instructions… and all the messages in my normal input stream get a SpamSieve score. My problem is with one account where some messages are in that account’s “Junk” folder and therefore appear in the consolidated “Junk” folder. They are not getting a SpamSieve score (and are mostly not spam). What extra steps are needed so SpamSieve gets to process these messages? My system: MailMate/5820/…/x86_64/iMac18,2/4 macOS 11.5 Many thanks in advance Gavan Schneider —— Gavan Schneider, Sodwalls, NSW, Australia Explanations exist; they have existed for all time; there is always a well-known solution to every human problem — neat, plausible, and wrong. — H. L. Mencken, 1920 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mail archive tools - best searching
Antonia, I would recommend you to alt-Check_for_Update to load the latest Test_Build r5820 which is very stable imho Alternatively you can go to https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/ and load a less recent Test_Build Regards, Marc On 4 Aug 2021, at 21:52, Antonio Leding wrote: Thanks for your responses and yeah, I would very much like to resolve the crash issue but I know Benny is busy so frankly, I really didn’t wanna be a bother and push the issue especially in these awesome pandemic times. When this began, I allowed the system to send the crash reports but after a month or two, I stopped because it seemed to have the same data. Regardless, I will resume sending them in starting with the next crash. As to version: macOS High Sierra 10.13.6; MailMate is 1.13.1 (5682) but this began on a previous version at least 6-8 months ago… - - - On 4 Aug 2021, at 0:54, MM_Arc wrote: Hello Antonio, Which version of MacOS and which version of MM are you using ? I’ve ran into some issues with development versions which Benny ( Mr. MM ) quickly resolved. Regards, Marc On 3 Aug 2021, at 22:38, Antonio Leding wrote: Hello MailMate community, My inquiry today has to do with the search facilities of the various mail archiving tools out there. Based on my reading of the mailer archives, the following tools seem to get a lot of mention: * Devon * EagleFiler * Mail Steward * Horcrux * Mail Archiver X **As baseline**, I truly love MailMate’s search facility. I find it to be incredibly functional and an essential tool that enables me to easily find emails especially when I have very little search criteria. So MailMate’s search functionality is a minimum requirement for me. **Next - my current setup**: I have a locally installed Dovecot server that is dedicated to archives. This works great and because it is accessible via MailMate, access & searching of archives is essentially the same as for “live” email. And while I do love the consistency, it is not a “must-have” like the search functionality is. **The issue???** Simply put, MailMate is unstable - well, it is for me at least. Despite running various MailMate versions across different Macs & OS versions, MailMate still crashes at least 3-5 times per week. So, in an attempt to find a more stable scenario, I’ve decided to check with you all and solicit feedback regarding how well each of the above apps implements search facilities. I’ve actually tried both Devon & EagleFiler and while Devon’s search seems to rival that of MailMate, I find EagleFiler’s search to be somewhat lacking. Perhaps this is a user error issue and if so, then please feel free to educate me. So with that, I respectfully request any feedback you would like to share re: your mail archiver of choice and how well it provides search facilities. Thanks in advance… — Tony — ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
