Re: [MlMt] Filter(?) Message is moved to trash
+1 for this -- I would love to see some kind of logging on rules. Indeed, it would be even better if we could run rules on a single message *and get logging of the rule matching process*. I don't think it makes sense in terms of sheer logging volume to log running lots of rules on a whole mailbox, but it would be huge to be able to log the matching process when running rules on a single message (or, for that matter, running a single rule against a single message, but that would require adding another UI gesture, which might be too big an ask). Best, R On 21 Nov 2021, at 8:05, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 11 Nov 2021, at 0:04, Randall Gellens wrote: On 9 Nov 2021, at 1:47, Fabian Blechschmidt wrote: Is there anything which helps me to debug this? I searched through the mailing list, because I was sure I read something about it, but couldn’t find it. Unfortunately, MailMate doesn't seem to log rule evaluations or actions, which would be terrifically helpful. For the record, I do agree. It would also make debugging some types of issues much easier. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Block tabbing to clickable items in messages
I would expect the shortcuts CMD+0 , CMD+1 for jumping between the subviews In other programs they used for this kind of switching (for example IntelliJ IDEA). (I never change my views - that's why I never need this shortcuts) Von meinem iDingens gesendet... > Am 21.11.2021 um 20:06 schrieb Benny Kjær Nielsen : > > On 18 Nov 2021, at 20:06, Randall Meadows wrote: > >> I'm using the three-pane view: mailbox list on left, message list on >> top-right, selected message on bottom-right. >> >> When I get an HTML message and focus ends up in the message (like after I >> click a link), I am now completely stuck in the message view from a keyboard >> navigation point-of-view, i.e., I cannot tab back to the message or mailbox >> list--tabbing just keeps cycling between clickable items in the message. > > It's on my list to see if this can work better. Keyboard navigation is a bit > tricky with the new message view. > > -- > Benny > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MmShowSubscriptionDetails feedback
On 9 Nov 2021, at 8:50, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote: saw that `MmShowSubscriptionDetails` now is a thing. I used `defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmShowSubscriptionDetails yes` And now have a unsubscribe grey bar with unsubscribe features which works great but its quite "intrusive"...could it be just a "Unsubscribe" link in the header one could click on to choose unsubscribe option instead of the dark grey bar ? It will likely only be enabled by default if/when I implement a less intrusive way to display it. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] No Tags in Archive
On 2 Nov 2021, at 5:01, Ron B wrote: > I recently moved a bunch of old emails that all had the same tag into my > Archive. I then created a Smart Folder to collect all of those tagged emails. > It originally worked. Now (an hour later), the Smart Folder is empty. The > emails are still in the Archive. They do not display the tag. > > I have a similar Smart Folder collecting the tagged emails in my Inbox. That > works. I'm using the same logic on the Smart Folder inside my Archive, but > that doesn't work (If the tags are gone, that would explain why.). > > I want to be able to put a bunch of emails into my Archive and then use Smart > Folders to lump them into useful groups. I thought tags were the way to do > this. In theory, that should work. Sounds like either a MailMate bug or a server limitation/bug (or a combination). The “Raw Flags” message list column might help debug the issue (it shows you the IMAP keywords of each email). If you can find a reproducible series of steps with, e.g., a single message then write me via “Help ▸ Send Feedback” and we can debug it together. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Filter(?) Message is moved to trash
On 11 Nov 2021, at 0:04, Randall Gellens wrote: > On 9 Nov 2021, at 1:47, Fabian Blechschmidt wrote: > >> Is there anything which helps me to debug this? I searched through the >> mailing list, because I was sure I read something about it, but couldn’t >> find it. > > Unfortunately, MailMate doesn't seem to log rule evaluations or actions, > which would be terrifically helpful. For the record, I do agree. It would also make debugging some types of issues much easier. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Test build - release notes update
On 11 Nov 2021, at 1:19, Sam Birch wrote: > On Saturday Benny posted r5844, with a comprehensive summary of all changes > since r5673. It’s a good read if you’ve been sticking to the release builds > and are wondering what you’re missing. It’s also hopefully an indication that > the next stable release is getting closer. I hope so too. Just to clarify, I do believe the latest test release is stable in the sense that it is much less likely to crash or have issues with Big Sur or Monterey. A public release is mainly delayed by the fact that major rewrites of many parts of MailMate also means a lot of minor behavioral changes -- and some of these are of major importantance to various subsets of users. Mailing list users can help me out by using/trying the test releases and let me know if they find any such personal “deal breakers”. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Transfer encoding of signed text parts
On 13 Nov 2021, at 17:53, Alan Egerton wrote: > Just trialling (and *loving*) MailMate at present, but have a small > niggling irritation when sending (S/MIME) signed messages: the text part > is then always sent with quoted-printable transfer encoding, whereas the > same message if unsigned is sent with default/7bit transfer encoding. > > Is there any way to change this behaviour so that signed messages > continue using 7bit transfer encoding (where possible)? That's a very specific request. This behavior was added a very long time ago and if I remember correctly then it was introduced because some receiving email client(s) would fail to verify the signature without the use of quoted-printable (and/or the lack of a Content-Type header I think). I could add a hidden preference to disable this behavior, but I cannot make it default behavior without some kind of testing with other email clients (which is hard to do easily). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Data usage by MailMate
On 13 Nov 2021, at 19:00, Carlos Moffat wrote: > To add, I experimenting setting my work (Gmail) account to offline, and my > personal (fastmail) account online, and the data usage dropped dramatically. > Reverted again, and the data usage shot up. Just for the record, after some emails off list, it is likely that the problem is that the connections to INBOX (and maybe [Gmail]/All Mail) break if there is no activity for just a single minute. This does not work well with IMAP IDLE (waiting for new emails) and will cause repeated re-synchronization of the mailbox which can be expensive for a large mailbox. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Tread Arcs layout issue
On 18 Nov 2021, at 3:17, Eric Sharakan wrote: > Hi all, I use the "Thread Arcs" layout, and lately (perhaps after updating to > r5847?), I'm seeing a case where two completely unrelated threads are being > shown as one larger thread. Has anyone else seen this? I do not have any similar reports. Maybe we should debug it off list. If the threads are from the same “context” then this could happen, e.g., if anyone replies to an email on a mailing list, but then clears the subject-line to create a new thread. (MailMate will warn about this, but most emails clients won't.) There's currently no way to explicitly break a thread in MailMate, but it's been on the todo for a very long time (like a lot of other threading related issues). > Is there a way to force MM to re-calculate its notion of the threads? No (other than relaunching MailMate). -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate and Monterey
On 19 Nov 2021, at 17:47, Jolin Warren wrote: > I’m about to migrate to a new computer, so will be going through a forced > upgrade from Mojave (10.14) to Monterey (12.0). I see that r5848 was posted > today. Is this what I should use, and does it work ok with Monterey? Or > should I be using the MailMateBigSur.tbz archive (which I think is a release > from August)? Based on current feedback, I would recommend r5848. (Hopefully this also means I'm getting closer to making an actual public release, but there are a lot of “minor” issues which still need my attention.) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Markdown confusion with line breaks between paragraphs
On 18 Nov 2021, at 14:24, Eric Sharakan wrote: > It was a bit of an arduous trek, and in the end, Benny's not sure exactly > what cured it, but here's what seemed to do it: > > - In terminal, run this: > ``` > touch > /Applications/MailMate.app/Contents/SharedSupport/Bundles/MailMate.mmBundle/Filters/Inline\ > CSS.mmFilter > ``` There's a workaround in r5848 which I think will trigger this to happen automatically, but I'm still a bit unsure exactly what goes wrong when updating MailMate. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Block tabbing to clickable items in messages
On 18 Nov 2021, at 20:06, Randall Meadows wrote: > I'm using the three-pane view: mailbox list on left, message list on > top-right, selected message on bottom-right. > > When I get an HTML message and focus ends up in the message (like after I > click a link), I am now completely stuck in the message view from a keyboard > navigation point-of-view, i.e., I cannot tab back to the message or mailbox > list--tabbing just keeps cycling between clickable items in the message. It's on my list to see if this can work better. Keyboard navigation is a bit tricky with the new message view. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MlMt] MailMate and , Monterey,
Jolin, I am running Monterey 12.1 Beta (21C5039b). I have not observed any Monterey specific issues MM r5848. Best, Bob On 21 Nov 2021, at 12:00, mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com wrote: Send mailmate mailing list submissions to mailmate@lists.freron.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com You can reach the person managing the list at mailmate-ow...@lists.freron.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of mailmate digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: MailMate and Monterey (Marc ARC) 2. Delete problem (aisrael) 3. Delete problem (aisrael) -- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 11:12:29 +0100 From: Marc ARC To: MailMate Users Subject: Re: [MlMt] MailMate and Monterey Message-ID: <1f959a7a-faca-4c32-938e-4b6d249f4...@arcict.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Jolin, I would give it a try with r5848 ( not in Montery my self though ) Regards Marc On 19 Nov 2021, at 17:47, Jolin Warren wrote: Hey all, I’m about to migrate to a new computer, so will be going through a forced upgrade from Mojave (10.14) to Monterey (12.0). I see that r5848 was posted today. Is this what I should use, and does it work ok with Monterey? Or should I be using the MailMateBigSur.tbz archive (which I think is a release from August)? Thanks, Jolin -- => Jolin ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 13:00:46 +0100 From: aisrael To: Subject: [MlMt] Delete problem Message-ID: <86d1350c-f212-454f-a58d-36a4a594c...@pasteur.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" I am using Mailmate on the Mac, and Preside on the iPhone. When I delete a message in Mailmate (hitting the Return key), the message is not deleted in Preside (neither on my institution’s webmail for that matter). However deleting a message in Preside results in a deletion in Mailmate. On the other hand, when I hit Move to Junk in Mailmate (Command-return), it works OK (in both Preside and webmail). This suggests one of my settings related to deletion in Mailmate is not correct. Any idea? Alain -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.freron.com/pipermail/mailmate/attachments/20211121/8e772a1d/attachment-0001.htm> -- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2021 13:04:44 +0100 From: aisrael To: Subject: [MlMt] Delete problem Message-ID: <8c87ab20-3102-46dc-9a6d-7839ba511...@pasteur.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Sorry : I hit the Delete key to delete, not the Return key. Alain I am using Mailmate on the Mac, and Preside on the iPhone. When I delete a message in Mailmate (hitting the Return key), the message is not deleted in Preside (neither on my institution’s webmail for that matter). However deleting a message in Preside results in a deletion in Mailmate. On the other hand, when I hit Move to Junk in Mailmate (Command-return), it works OK (in both Preside and webmail). This suggests one of my settings related to deletion in Mailmate is not correct. Any idea? Alain -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.freron.com/pipermail/mailmate/attachments/20211121/e469f712/attachment-0001.htm> -- Subject: Digest Footer ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -- End of mailmate Digest, Vol 128, Issue 19 *___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Delete problem
Could it be that Preside actually deletes immediately whereas Mailmate moves the message to deleted messages mailbox? On 21 Nov 2021, at 13:04, aisrael wrote: Sorry : I hit the Delete key to delete, not the Return key. Alain I am using Mailmate on the Mac, and Preside on the iPhone. When I delete a message in Mailmate (hitting the Return key), the message is not deleted in Preside (neither on my institution’s webmail for that matter). However deleting a message in Preside results in a deletion in Mailmate. On the other hand, when I hit Move to Junk in Mailmate (Command-return), it works OK (in both Preside and webmail). This suggests one of my settings related to deletion in Mailmate is not correct. Any idea? Alain___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Delete problem
Sorry : I hit the Delete key to delete, not the Return key. Alain I am using Mailmate on the Mac, and Preside on the iPhone. When I delete a message in Mailmate (hitting the Return key), the message is not deleted in Preside (neither on my institution’s webmail for that matter). However deleting a message in Preside results in a deletion in Mailmate. On the other hand, when I hit Move to Junk in Mailmate (Command-return), it works OK (in both Preside and webmail). This suggests one of my settings related to deletion in Mailmate is not correct. Any idea? Alain___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Delete problem
I am using Mailmate on the Mac, and Preside on the iPhone. When I delete a message in Mailmate (hitting the Return key), the message is not deleted in Preside (neither on my institution’s webmail for that matter). However deleting a message in Preside results in a deletion in Mailmate. On the other hand, when I hit Move to Junk in Mailmate (Command-return), it works OK (in both Preside and webmail). This suggests one of my settings related to deletion in Mailmate is not correct. Any idea? Alain___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate and Monterey
Jolin, I would give it a try with r5848 ( not in Montery my self though ) Regards Marc On 19 Nov 2021, at 17:47, Jolin Warren wrote: > Hey all, > > I’m about to migrate to a new computer, so will be going through a forced > upgrade from Mojave (10.14) to Monterey (12.0). I see that r5848 was posted > today. Is this what I should use, and does it work ok with Monterey? Or > should I be using the MailMateBigSur.tbz archive (which I think is a release > from August)? > > Thanks, > Jolin > > -- > => Jolin > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
