Re: [MlMt] MailMate needs to be updated warning
On 9 Apr 2022, at 21:57, John Cooper wrote: Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote (at 1:37 AM on Saturday, Apr 9, 2022): This means `emate` still doesn't work in the latest test release (for most users on macOS 12.3). Instead, I should complete my work on a replacement for `emate`. No time frame on that though. Assuming that emate is something I'd want to help make MailMate fully functional, what's the simplest way to make it so? I don't have the full Xcode package installed, but I have installed the Xcode command-line tools, and homebrew. If I've got it right then the command line tools should be sufficient, that is, the first time you run `emate` then you'll automatically be asked to allow macOS to install “Command Line Tools” (no need for a full Xcode install). This will install `python3` which works with r5884 of MailMate. This is only relevant if you need `emate` at all (it's essentially just a wrapper for the `mailto:` URL scheme). In any case, I will likely replace `emate` soon with something that does not need `python` at all. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate needs to be updated warning
Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote (at 1:37 AM on Saturday, Apr 9, 2022): > This means `emate` still doesn't work in the latest test release (for most > users on macOS 12.3). Instead, I should complete my work on a replacement for > `emate`. No time frame on that though. Assuming that emate is something I'd want to help make MailMate fully functional, what's the simplest way to make it so? I don't have the full Xcode package installed, but I have installed the Xcode command-line tools, and homebrew. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Reply : problems
Thanks. I’ll try to switch to version 5882, or 5883 or 5884. Alain On 9 Apr 2022, at 15:43, Matthias Schmidt via mailmate wrote: On 7 Apr 2022, at 18:03, aisrael wrote: I seem to experience the following problem, which gets worse with time (I use Mailmate version 5818, on Big Sur) : when I try to reply to an email, using the keyboard shortcut Command-R, the death ball starts spinning, for at least 10 s, and sometimes long enough so that I have to kill the app. Has anyone seen this behaviour (and found a solution)? works as expected here with Version 1.14 (5882) The malbehaviour could be also System. cheers Matthias ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate__;!!JFdNOqOXpB6UZW0!64HKzyrVYE-UmVvX59mgHVpbRlQfx9pm_FkW0m0RTuYnK5442MssEf2NGrJWZ7ji$ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Spamsieve and mailmate rules
Hi All, Is there a way to set up a mailmate filter rule based on the Spamsieve score assigned to a message? cheers, martin ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Reply : problems
On 7 Apr 2022, at 18:03, aisrael wrote: > I seem to experience the following problem, which gets worse with time (I use > Mailmate version 5818, on Big Sur) : when I try to reply to an email, using > the keyboard shortcut Command-R, the death ball starts spinning, for at least > 10 s, and sometimes long enough so that I have to kill the app. > > Has anyone seen this behaviour (and found a solution)? works as expected here with Version 1.14 (5882) The malbehaviour could be also System. cheers Matthias ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate needs to be updated warning
On 9 Apr 2022, at 4:23, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: Actually macOS 12.3 doesn’t include any python at all. You can get python3, but you need to install Xcode for that. You mean everyone doesn't? :-) -- Steve ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate needs to be updated warning
On 9 Apr 2022, at 10:23, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: On 9 Apr 2022, at 10:11, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On macOS 12.3, it broke completely when only python3 was included Actually macOS 12.3 doesn’t include any python at all. You can get python3, but you need to install Xcode for that. Of course, I completely forgot to check for that. This means `emate` still doesn't work in the latest test release (for most users on macOS 12.3). Instead, I should complete my work on a replacement for `emate`. No time frame on that though. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate needs to be updated warning
On 9 Apr 2022, at 10:11, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > On macOS 12.3, it broke completely when only python3 was included Actually macOS 12.3 doesn’t include any python at all. You can get python3, but you need to install Xcode for that. Alternatively you can install python3 with Homebrew: https://brew.sh/ -- .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - Weyertal 121 (Gebäude 133), Zimmer 2.02.:. .:.Regionales Rechenzentrum (RRZK).:. .:.Universität zu Köln / Cologne University - ✆ +49-221-470-89578.:. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate needs to be updated warning
On 7 Apr 2022, at 0:21, Erik Mueller-Harder wrote:
I have no idea what Juice is, or Premailer (tho I can guess they’re
probably Markdown → HTML conversion libraries), or why either one
would have been selected instead of the other — but I can confirm
that with Juice selected *finally* I can again use Markdown with
MailMate!
The following is mostly to have something on record on this subject.
Both Juice and Premailer are third party utilities which can be used to
inline the use of stylesheets (CSS) in HTML email. I'll give an example.
First, here's the HTML needed to quote some text:
```html
Replied text is quoted.
```
The HTML above could be the result of, e.g., a Markdown converter (where
MailMate uses the GitHub flavour of `cmark` now). For non-Markdown
users, MailMate has its own built-in conversion to HTML.
Styling the above can be done by inserting a stylesheet within the HTML.
That could look something like this:
```css
blockquote {
color: blue;
}
```
Email clients capable of displaying HTML (with CSS) will then make sure
that blockquotes are blue. This works just like a webpage. That's all
very nice, but there is a major problem: HTML has no way to handle the
concept of replied/forwarded HTML, because HTML was designed for
webpages and not for emails. In particular, the `` tag was
not designed to be used in emails. If it was, then there would likely be
some way to have multiple stylesheets to be used at different quote
levels. (In theory, that could possibly work, but it wouldn't make HTML
emails less bloated than they already are.)
In practice, the only solution is to get rid of the separate stylesheet
and make sure all styling is done directly on the HTML tags. For the
example above, this would mean generating HTML which looks like this:
```html
Replied text is quoted.
```
That would survive nicely if embedded in another reply.
The above is a very simple example. Now, imagine one of those marketing
emails you receive which looks like a webpage by email. This might
contain a huge stylesheet doing all sorts of HTML/CSS tricks.
Essentially, anything possible in a web browser. The user might choose
to forward it and everthing then goes into a blockquote, but the
stylesheet affects everything including whatever is written above the
forwarded HTML. It needs to be inlined like the simple example above,
but this is extremely complicated (and in some cases impossible). This
is why MailMate uses a third party utility. In the past, MailMate has
used Premailer but I've not been very good at keeping it up-to-date and
some times it has broken down when Apple has changed what is included
with a default install of macOS. On macOS 12.3, it broke completely when
only `python3` was included. In the beta/test releases I've added the
option of using Juice which is based on javascript. This is both more
robust (and faster).
Note: The CSS inliner is also used when printing because this often
involves merging multiple HTML documents (there might be a way to avoid
this with the new message view, but I'm not 100% sure).
The latest test release has removed Premailer as an option on macOS 12.
Hopefully this means fewer issues for users. I understand most of the
above is likely nonsense for most users :)
I'm a bit unsure if Juice works properly all the way back to macOS 10.12
(which MailMate still supports) which is why I haven't removed Premailer
completely.
I’ll confess that for the last two or three months I’ve been using
FastMail’s web interface just so I could do the small bit of email
formatting that I need to do. I’ve been missing MailMate! It’s
good to be back.
I'm glad you are back. I'm aware that the lack of a public release
working properly on macOS 12 (and to some extent macOS 11) is a major
problem. (It's important for the future of MailMate that this changes as
soon as possible.)
Benny, I should have done it long ago, but am now an official Patron.
Thank you so much for the care and dedication you’ve poured into
this indispensable app.
Thanks for the support! The patrons are currently what keeps MailMate
running.
--
Benny
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