Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored

2024-01-31 Thread Mike Karels
I would also like to see one of these changes.  I currently use just one color 
in addition to black, and had a hard time finding one that I could read both 
highlighted and unhighlighted.

Mike

On 31 Jan 2024, at 17:07, Sven Klages wrote:

> I totally agree :-)
>
> On 31 Jan 2024, at 13:54, Pierre Igot wrote:
>> I would really like that all those other MM users who use text colouring 
>> (either in an older build via  the hidden Styles.plist feature or in more 
>> recent builds with the new smart-mailbox-based feature) indicate here how 
>> they feel about this defective text inversion scheme that makes it coloured 
>> messages hard to read when selected/highlighted. It might be a bit “slicker” 
>> and “cleaner” to have the same accent colour for selection highlighting 
>> everywhere in the message list, but it is at the expense of readability and 
>> usability. I’d rather have a mishmash of different selection highlighting 
>> colours based on the underlying colours of the selected messages, with 
>> proper inversion of the text to white. I find the lack of readability of 
>> non-inverted darker text over a dark selection highlighting colour 
>> background much less “clean” and very inelegant and user-hostile.
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Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored

2024-01-31 Thread Sven Klages
I totally agree :-)

On 31 Jan 2024, at 13:54, Pierre Igot wrote:
> I would really like that all those other MM users who use text colouring 
> (either in an older build via  the hidden Styles.plist feature or in more 
> recent builds with the new smart-mailbox-based feature) indicate here how 
> they feel about this defective text inversion scheme that makes it coloured 
> messages hard to read when selected/highlighted. It might be a bit “slicker” 
> and “cleaner” to have the same accent colour for selection highlighting 
> everywhere in the message list, but it is at the expense of readability and 
> usability. I’d rather have a mishmash of different selection highlighting 
> colours based on the underlying colours of the selected messages, with proper 
> inversion of the text to white. I find the lack of readability of 
> non-inverted darker text over a dark selection highlighting colour background 
> much less “clean” and very inelegant and user-hostile.
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Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored

2024-01-31 Thread Rob Russell via mailmate

On 31 Jan 2024, at 8:51, Henry Seiden wrote:

Similarly select the option to “Use color in message” at the 
bottom of the colors in that menu.


aha...the bit that I have been missing.

Now to go an colour everything like a 6 year old...


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Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored

2024-01-31 Thread Henry Seiden

Sven,

Coloring of messages in the message window works great for me in every 
version since r6015 onwards. I believe recent changes have affected 
coloring, but here’s how I color messages by the mailbox and/or 
source. If you want to individually color messages or color by Subject 
or other parameters then I’m unsure if this method will work for you 
or if it’s what you seek:

1. Select Source mailbox or inbox you wish to color,
2. Adjust the coloring on the Source or Inbox by selecting the desired 
*color*  from the drop down menu (CTL+select) pop-out menu.
3. Similarly select the option to “Use color in message” at the 
bottom of the colors in that menu.
4. Rinse and repeat above for all Source or other SmartMailboxes 
desired.

5. Check to see that contents are correctly colored.

Attaching a sample of the colored messages for reference as they appear 
in All Messages. Note that all lines in each message are colored as 
viewed in the message window(s).


Good luck.

Respectfully,

Henry Seiden
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On 30 Jan 2024, at 13:34, Alan Dobkin wrote:


Hi Sven,

Support for this feature changed several months ago in the test 
releases. There was some discussion about it on the mailing list here. 
Refer to the resolution in my bug report here:


Colored Messages not working in recent test builds
https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/3267

Alan

On 1/30/2024 1:23 PM, Sven Klages wrote:

I am using version 1.14 (6019, testing).

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[MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored

2024-01-31 Thread Lisa Sieverts
I agree with Pierre that this is a problem. I continue to use colored messages 
but it’s annoying not to be able to read the subject, etc., when the cursor is 
on that message.

Pierre Igot said:

> HOWEVER, there is one glaring issue that remains unaddressed in recent 
> builds: when a coloured message is selected in a list, the selection 
> highlighting colour is your default “accent” colour (typically dark blue), 
> but MailMate does not INVERT the coloured text to white to make it readable 
> over the dark blue background. The result is that, if the text colour for the 
> message in the list happens to be a fairly dark colour, it becomes pretty 
> much unreadable when highlighted.



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Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored

2024-01-31 Thread Bill Cole

On 2024-01-31 at 07:54:38 UTC-0500 (Wed, 31 Jan 2024 08:54:38 -0400)
Pierre Igot 
is rumored to have said:

Just want to confirm that the new system for coloring messages works 
just as well as the old styles.plist-based one. In fact, in some 
respects it has more flexibility and works better.


The best part of it is that it does not require the creation and 
maintenance of a bespoke PList, but rather operates within the app with 
a proper UI.




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Re: [MlMt] Colored Messages: Styles.plist being ignored

2024-01-31 Thread Pierre Igot
Just want to confirm that the new system for coloring messages works just as 
well as the old styles.plist-based one. In fact, in some respects it has more 
flexibility and works better.

HOWEVER, there is one glaring issue that remains unaddressed in recent builds: 
when a coloured message is selected in a list, the selection highlighting 
colour is your default “accent” colour (typically dark blue), but MailMate does 
not INVERT the coloured text to white to make it readable over the dark blue 
background. The result is that, if the text colour for the message in the list 
happens to be a fairly dark colour, it becomes pretty much unreadable when 
highlighted. The only dark-coloured messages that remain readable when selected 
are those that are in BLACK. If the text colour of the message is black, then 
MM inverts it to white when selected. For all other colours, there’s no 
inversion. Only lighter text colours remain (somewhat) readable over a dark 
blue background when selected.

I have send an extensive post directly to Benny about this, with supporting 
screen shots, explaining why I strongly believe that he should bring back 
inversion for coloured messages as well, i.e. ignore the default accent colour 
and use THE MESSAGE’S TEXT COLOUR as background for the highlighting and invert 
the text itself to white. This used to be the case in order builds of MM. Then 
at some point Benny reversed his decision and went back to using the default 
accent colour for highlighting in the message list, regardless of the text 
colour of the highlighted message, with no inversion of the text to white in 
order to make is readable.

I would really like that all those other MM users who use text colouring 
(either in an older build via  the hidden Styles.plist feature or in more 
recent builds with the new smart-mailbox-based feature) indicate here how they 
feel about this defective text inversion scheme that makes it coloured messages 
hard to read when selected/highlighted. It might be a bit “slicker” and 
“cleaner” to have the same accent colour for selection highlighting everywhere 
in the message list, but it is at the expense of readability and usability. I’d 
rather have a mishmash of different selection highlighting colours based on the 
underlying colours of the selected messages, with proper inversion of the text 
to white. I find the lack of readability of non-inverted darker text over a 
dark selection highlighting colour background much less “clean” and very 
inelegant and user-hostile.

At the very least, Benny could bring back text inversion for selected messages 
using their own colour as the selection highlighting colour as an OPTION for 
those who use text colouring — which is now, after all, a fully supported (no 
longer hidden) feature in the MM user interface.

Anyone else agree?

Thanks.

Pierre



On 31 Jan 2024, at 2:41, Sven Klages wrote:

> Thank you Bill & Eric!
>
> Sounds good, I will give it a try :-)
>
> -Sven
>
> Am 30.01.24 um 23:58 schrieb Eric Sharakan via mailmate:
>> On 30 Jan 2024, at 17:33, Bill Cole wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-01-30 at 14:32:34 UTC-0500 (Tue, 30 Jan 2024 20:32:34 +0100)
>>> Sven Klages 
>>> is rumored to have said:
>>>
>>> [...]
 When using smart mailboxes as proposed in the comments of your bug report, 
 I do have one type/color per smart folder, that’s not the same … did I get 
 it right?
>>>
>>> Yes, but I think that you are missing the fact that you can create a smart 
>>> mailbox aggregating the messages of other (colored-message) smart 
>>> mailboxes. The messages keep the color assigned by the parent mailbox.
>>
>> Right, all you need to do is create smart mailboxes containing the 
>> conditions you want for coloring the messages. Then, use the Mailbox->Color 
>> submenu to choose a color for that mailbox, and also select "Use Color in 
>> Message List". Your chosen color will be applied not only to the messages in 
>> your smart mailbox, but also to the original messages, wherever they reside.
>>
>> It's totally flexible and has been working great for me.
>>
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