Re: [MlMt] MMt Flag to Outlook Flags

[Mike Brasch]

Moin Alex,

On 26 Apr 2023, at 19:04, Alexandre Takacs wrote:

Did anyone manage to “map” MM Flags to Outlook Flags (Categories 
as they are called) ? Are they exposed in O365 / Exchange IMAP 
(admittedly poor) implementation ?


I use [DavMail](https://davmail.sourceforge.net/) to access our company 
Exchange. It's an IMAP/SMTP/*DAV/LDAP Exchange bridge. It also 
translates IMAP keywords to/from Exchange Categories. I can also use 
shared accounts through it.


Really fine tool that has been working smoothly here for years.

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Re: [MlMt] Mailboxes view is empty after re-opening the main window

[Mike Brasch]

On 1 Mar 2023, at 11:14, Mike Brasch wrote:

> Thank you. I am testing…

And… it happened again. I'll send you a Mail via "Help > Send Feedback".

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Re: [MlMt] Mailboxes view is empty after re-opening the main window

[Mike Brasch]

On 1 Mar 2023, at 10:41, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

You can try it out before writing me since it might be related: 
[MailMate_r5948.tbz](https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5948.tbz)


Thank you. I am testing…

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Re: [MlMt] Mailboxes view is empty after re-opening the main window

[Mike Brasch]

Damn, I forgot something:
 - macOS 13.3b1
 - MailMate: always latest test release

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[MlMt] Mailboxes view is empty after re-opening the main window

[Mike Brasch]

Moin yours,

since several test versions, the main window shows a blank mailboxes 
view when re-opening the main window. Then I open a new tab (and close 
the old one) and mailboxes are back again.


I tried it with a fresh mailboxes.plist, but same behaviour. I could try 
it with a complete fresh Mailmate configuration, but i wanted to ask 
here first before i start the work. :)


@Benny: Maybe I can help with debugging? Developer tools are installed.

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Re: [MlMt] Office365 And Oauth/MFA

[Mike Brasch]

Moin Chuck,

On 3 Feb 2023, at 14:06, The Chucker wrote:

I've been banging my head on the wall.  My org uses MFA and I can't 
get the Microsoft popup window when adding an Office365 Account.


I don't know if this would help: It looks like DavMail supports MFA. 
DavMail is an IMAP/SMTP*DAV to Exchange bridge. I've been using it for a 
few years now (in server mode) to access the corporate Exchange.


https://davmail.sourceforge.net/faq.html

If you need help, don't be afraid to ask.

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Re: [MlMt] MM + Davmail = Duplicates in Trash. Ideas?

[Mike Brasch]

Moin Zvi,

On 18 Jan 2023, at 3:42, Zvi Biener wrote:

After reading about davmail many times on this list, I decided to try 
it. Love it. The server version is robust and having MM tags finally 
show up in Exchange is great.


Yes. DavMail is a great tool. My livesaver. Especially since I can also 
use the function accounts via it and now have to use Outlook or Em 
Client anymore. :)


But… I noticed that when I delete an email in MM, two copies of it 
appear in the Exchange Trash folder (both in MM and in Outlook). They 
have completely identical headers.


I use DavMail (v6.0.1, server mode) to access the company exchange. I do 
not get any doubles in the trash when deleting.


I cannot see any relevant differences to my DavMail configuration. There 
don't seem to be any suitable hidden options with MailMate either. 
Perhaps there are server-side settings regarding the deletion behaviour?


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Re: [MlMt] Finer control of blacklist

[Mike Brasch]

On 23 Oct 2022, at 14:03, Henry Seiden wrote:


Mike,

To your point MacOS has a similar idea in their settings but only for 
their iCloud accounts.


It’s operating at the system level in MacOS, in “Hide My Email” 
settings. It establishes an alternate address (redirecting to that 
alternate address) for specific senders to specific iCloud email 
accounts.


Fastmail has with "Masked Email" a similar feature. 1Password has 
support for this feature. I don't know if other SW is supporting it.


BTW, I consider spam any incoming email I specifically did not request 
or agree to receive.
This is an unusual definition of spam. With this attidude, you will 
probably have not much success. It es difficould enough to detect "real" 
spam. How should it work with "perseived" spam? :)


At Fastmail one can give an folder a ham-or-spam-hint to tell the spam 
filter in which category their contant is. The spam filter looks dayly 
through all folders to train itself. This works really good. I have no 
Idea, if this will work with your attidude. Maybe I will then tend to be 
hypersensitive. But maybe it will do what you want.


That broad definition, encompassing things like accounts that don’t 
process unsubscribe, is far too broad to qualify in Fastmail, I 
suspect.

I don't understand this. :)

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Re: [MlMt] Finer control of blacklist

[Mike Brasch]

On 21 Oct 2022, at 1:45, Henry Seiden wrote:

I’m (un)lucky enough to have to filter many forms of junk mail 
including traditional spam, among several accounts. Four out of eight 
accounts have much more spam and much more activity, so I think that 
the more active with good (non spam mail) an account/source us the 
more junk you’ll get.


If it is an option, maybe this is an option:

I have some (lower traffic) mail addresses at different providers (I 
want to phase them out). Each of them will be directly redirected to my 
main (Fastmail) account. I also completley switched off all filters and 
spam filtering.


At Fastmail I have set up an "Identity". When I send an message (new or 
as an reply) via one of my secondary adresses, Fastmail will send them 
to the other providers SMTP and from here it will go to the receiver. 
For the other one, it looks like a conversion with your secondary 
accound. In the mail header one can see the indirection.


Filtering and Spam-Filtering (with strongest settings) is completely 
done by Fastmail. I have absolutely no problems with spam. It works 
perfectly for me.


I don't know which providers also have the "identity" feature. Gmail has 
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Re: [MlMt] Neet help for the query language in MailMate

[Mike Brasch]

On 12 Oct 2022, at 18:22, Glenn Parker wrote:

There is some documentation buried in the builtin help under the 
“Hidden Preferences” section. If you search for “format 
string” in that section, under “Other”, and follow the link, 
you’ll get this (and only this):


Yes, I had also found that earlier. Unfortunately, it lacks a bit of 
explanation.



Format String Syntax

${«var»:?«if»:«else»}
${«var»:+«if»}
${«var»:-«else»}
${«var»:«else»}
${«var»/«regexp»/«format»/«options»}
${«var»:[/upcase][/downcase][/capitalize][/asciify]}


In my special case, I have several lists with a header like:

```List-ID: NixOS Discourse | Development Moderation 
```


and subject with double blobs like:

```[NixOS Discourse][Development] Anyone up for picking at some Nix 
~onboarding improvements?```


Do you see a way to pick up the 2nd blob? At this moment I get 15 smart 
subfolder with "NixOS Discourse". I see two options to resolve this:


 - auto-generated names like "NixOS Discourse – Development" or 
"NixOS Development" (which I would prefer)

 - all mails go to "NixOS Discourse", regardles of their sub-blob

Any ideas?


Breaking down your original format string, I get this:


Wow, thank you for this. :)


PS and advertising: Nix is a packet manager on steroids, which runs on 
nearly every Linux distribution, macOS and Windows/WSL and BSD. One of 
the outstanding features is, that there is no dependency-hell by design. 
And with ca. 8 packets nixpkgs is by far the biggest repository of 
all. If one has problems with homebrew, give Nix a shot. :)


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[MlMt] Forcing MailMate to render Markdown?

[Mike Brasch]

Moin yours,

is there a way to force the rendering of Markdown? I have a few mailing 
lists that use markdown in ```text/plain```, but without marking it with 
```markup=markdown```.


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[MlMt] Neet help for the query language in MailMate

[Mike Brasch]

Moin yours,

I need an explanation of how the query language works, as it is used, 
for example, in the "mailbox name format".


Currently I use

```${subject.blob:?${subject.blob:/capitalize}:${list-id.description:?${list-id.description/^[a-z]*\d.*/${from.name:${list-id.identifier.final-level:?${list-id.identifier.final-level:/capitalize}:${from.address}}}/}:${from.name:${list-id.identifier.final-level:?${list-id.identifier.final-level:/capitalize}:${from.address}```

for my automatic subfolders of my mailinglists folder. Now I have 
mailinglist with List-IDs like


```List-ID: NixOS Discourse | Development Moderation 
```


I don't really understand what the above query does. I think I had 
copied it from the mailing list here a long time ago. Is this a known 
query language? Can I read about it somewhere? And how do I know what 
the possible queryable attributes are?



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Re: [MlMt] Exchange: How to add another account with same credentials as the main account

[Mike Brasch]

I just found eM Client for macOS which let me add shared accounts. :)

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Re: [MlMt] Gibt es Mail-Clients mit Shared-Accounts-Unterstützung für Exchange-Server ohne IMAP?

[Mike Brasch]

Ahhh, fack… wrong mailinglist. :)

On 19 Nov 2021, at 20:59, Alexandre Takacs wrote:

Mailmate is a “pure” IMAP client - if IMAP is not available to you 
I’m afraid you are out of luck


Yes. But I just found eM Client for macOS which lets me add shared 
accounts. I'll test it next days and may be I'll by it. :)


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[MlMt] Gibt es Mail-Clients mit Shared-Accounts-Unterstützung für Exchange-Server ohne IMAP?

[Mike Brasch]

Moin ihrs,

wir dürfen bei uns auf der Arbeit Exchange benutzen. Bislang hatte ich 
mit MailMate (IMAP-only) via DavMail (IMAP SMTP, etc. Bridge auf 
Exchange) keinerlei Probleme gehabt. Nun bekommen wir bei uns in der 
Abteilung (alle Linux und ich maOS) Shared Accounts übergeholfen. So 
wie es für mich ausschaut, gibt es nur OWA für die Linuxer und Outlook 
für macOS.


Oder kennt hier jemand eine Lösung für Linux und MacOS.

Ach ja, wichtig: IMAP ist nicht, obohl es unser Problem beheben würde. 
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Re: [MlMt] Exchange: How to add another account with same credentials as the main account

[Mike Brasch]

Moin,

On 7 Nov 2021, at 20:00, Mike Brasch wrote:

 Access another user mailbox: Either set base IMAP path in client 
settings to /users/otheru...@company.com or use the following 
username: domain\user\otheru...@company.com where 
otheru...@company.com it target mailbox name.


The username way does not work. I only get a "wrong passwod". Where 
can I set the base IMAP path for the other variant?


Where I can specify the base IMAP path. Is there a file I can edit?

PLEASE HELP!!! Outlook is driving my crazy. :)


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Re: [MlMt] Exchange: How to add another account with same credentials as the main account

[Mike Brasch]

On 28 Oct 2021, at 13:24, Mike Brasch wrote:

But: how can I add an account for another mailbox, but for which I 
have to use the same login data as for my main account?


I just found this in the [FAQ](http://davmail.sourceforge.net/faq.html) 
from DavMail:


 Access another user mailbox: Either set base IMAP path in client 
settings to /users/otheru...@company.com or use the following 
username: domain\user\otheru...@company.com where 
otheru...@company.com it target mailbox name.


The username way does not work. I only get a "wrong passwod". Where can 
I set the base IMAP path for the other variant?


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Re: [MlMt] Exchange: How to add another account with same credentials as the main account

[Mike Brasch]

Moin Alain,

On 2 Nov 2021, at 12:36, aisrael wrote:

I can’t answer your question, but I was interested in the Exchange 
categories you mention, as I have tried for years to sync smart 
mailboxes between computers. I have been able to do this just for one 
of them, using one of the few available IMAP keywords. Can the 
Exchange categories help? Are they defined client side or server side? 
I guess in the second case it won’t help.


At first: Tags are mapped on IMAP keywords. You have to define tuples of 
Tag/keyword in MailMate settings. In case of Gmail they are triplets of 
Tag/keyword/label.


Exchange-IMAP does not support IMAP kewords. But you can use DavMail as 
a local Proxy. It speaks Exchange to the Exchange server and 
IMAP/SMTP/CalDAV/CardDAV to the clients. The clients have to be 
configured to speak to 127.0.0.1. This is the raw connection. The 
authentication and transport encryption is still done between client and 
server. So there is no security issue. This way Exchange categories are 
mapped automatically to IMAP keywords.


The "tricky" part is merely to "sync" the used Tags/IMAP 
keywords/Exchange categories. Unfortunately you have to do it by hand. 
But if there are only few changes over time it is easy to do.


On every MailMate instance you have to define your tuples. On your 
Exchange you can edit your Categories for instance via Outlook and maybe 
OWA. The IMAP keywords will be the Categories. There are no tupels to 
define on this side.


You just have to make sure that you do your mapping correctly on 
MailMate.


It may look complicated, but it is not. :) If need more 
information/help, please feel free to ask.


PS: I have attached my configuration for you (you have to change the 
server URL). It lets DavMail run in server mode. In this mode, there is 
no Menu Extra. In the past it did not run stable enough in GUI mode, but 
in server mode it is rock solid. DavMail is a kick and forget 
installation. :)


PPS: I have installed DavMail via Nix (a pure functional paket manager) 
and it starts automatically. Maybe you have to do the autostart by 
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# DavMail settings, see http://davmail.sourceforge.net/ for documentation

#
# Basic settings

# Server (headless) or workstation (menu extra) mode
davmail.server=true
# connection mode auto, EWS or WebDav
davmail.mode=EWS
# base Exchange OWA or EWS url
davmail.url=https://mail.example.com/EWS/Exchange.asmx

# Listener ports
davmail.imapPort=1143
davmail.smtpPort=1025
davmail.caldavPort=1080
davmail.ldapPort=1389
#davmail.popPort=1110

#
# Network settings

# Network proxy settings
davmail.enableProxy=false
davmail.useSystemProxies=false
davmail.proxyHost=
davmail.proxyPort=
davmail.proxyUser=
davmail.proxyPassword=

# proxy exclude list
davmail.noProxyFor=

# allow remote connection to DavMail
davmail.allowRemote=true
# bind server sockets to a specific address
davmail.bindAddress=
# client connection timeout in seconds - default 300, 0 to disable
davmail.clientSoTimeout=

# DavMail listeners SSL configuration
davmail.ssl.keystoreType=
davmail.ssl.keystoreFile=
davmail.ssl.keystorePass=
davmail.ssl.keyPass=

# Accept specified certificate even if invalid according to trust store
davmail.server.certificate.hash=

# disable SSL for specified listeners
davmail.ssl.nosecurecaldav=false
davmail.ssl.nosecureimap=false
davmail.ssl.nosecureldap=false
davmail.ssl.nosecurepop=false
davmail.ssl.nosecuresmtp=false

# disable update check
davmail.disableUpdateCheck=true

# Send keepalive character during large folder and messages download
davmail.enableKeepalive=true
# Message count limit on folder retrieval
davmail.folderSizeLimit=0
# Default windows domain for NTLM and basic authentication
davmail.defaultDomain=

#
# Caldav settings

# override default alarm sound
davmail.caldavAlarmSound=
# retrieve calendar events not older than n days
davmail.caldavPastDelay=90
# EWS only: enable server managed meeting notifications
davmail.caldavAutoSchedule=true
# WebDav only: force event update to trigger ActiveSync clients update
davmail.forceActiveSyncUpdate=false

#
# IMAP settings

# Delete messages immediately on IMAP STORE \Deleted flag
davmail.imapAutoExpunge=true
# Enable IDLE support, set polling delay in minutes
davmail.imapIdleDelay=1
# Always reply to IMAP RFC822.SIZE requests with Exchange approximate message 
size for performance reasons
davmail.imapAlwaysApproxMsgSize=true

#
# POP settings

# Delete messages on server after 30 days
davmail.keepDelay=30
# Delete messages in server sent folder after 90 days
davmail.sentKeepDelay=90
# Mark retrieved messages read on server
davmail.popMarkReadOnRetr=false

[MlMt] Exchange: How to add another account with same credentials as the main account

[Mike Brasch]

Moin,

at work we use an on-premise Exchange server that I access with MailMate 
via DavMail. Whis works very well, including tagging (via IMAP keywords 
or Exchange categories).


But: how can I add an account for another mailbox, but for which I have 
to use the same login data as for my main account?


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Re: [MlMt] Fingers crossed for O365 OAUTH success

[Mike Brasch]

Moin Kee,

I use [DavMail](http://davmail.sourceforge.net/) to access our company 
Exchange. I have been using it for 1.5-2 years now and have never had 
any problems with it. Unlike Exchange IMAP, the tags (Exchange 
categories <-> IMAP keywords) also work here.


In GUI mode, DavMail is unfortunately a bit shaky (at least it was like 
that >1Y ago), but in server mode it is super stable.


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[MlMt] How to add a shared Exchange-Account (via DavMail)

[Mike Brasch]

Moin moin,

at work, I use MailMate and DavMail to access my mails. This works 
really good (incl. Categories <-> Keywords.


Now I want to add another Account which is shared with me. But how? As I 
understand I need to st the path prefix. I also tried it with


 - User name: domain\first.name\anotherfirst.anothername@domain

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Re: [MlMt] Summer status

[Mike Brasch]

On 22 Jul 2019, at 14:19, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:

> Enjoy your vacation! Hamburg/Münich sounds wonderful!

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Re: [MlMt] IMAP keywords, misusage

[Mike Brasch]

On 18 Jan 2019, at 16:21, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


Does this work reliably for you?


Yes. Sometimes DavMail silently crashes (I'm on macOS 10.14.2). In this 
case you will miss the menu extra and MailMate is telling you. But it is 
worth it and this is the only chance to get tags synced.


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Re: [MlMt] IMAP keywords, misusage

[Mike Brasch]

On 18 Jan 2019, at 16:43, Robert Brenstein wrote:

Hmm, I wonder whether someone could run a DavMail server for others to 
use for a fee, assuming that there is enough interest. Not all MM 
users can/want to do that on their own.


DavMail is just a background service (with menu item) running on the 
same device as your mail client. The setup is relatively easy.


But you **can** run DavMail es a service on a different device (server) 
für different client.


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Re: [MlMt] IMAP keywords, misusage

[Mike Brasch]

Moin Alain,

On 17 Jan 2019, at 12:36, Alain Israel wrote:

I am using Mailmate on different computers, and as I work with an 
Exchange server, the tags are not maintained from one computer to the 
other.


I use [DavMail](http://davmail.sourceforge.net/) as a IMAP/SMTP-Exchange 
gateway. It runs in the background and Mailmate talks to it. In the 
MailMate account settings, use localhost as the server adress with the 
credentials of your Exchange.


This setup works nice for me. DavMail translates IMAP keywords to 
Exchange categories and vice versa, which is the main reason for me to 
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Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

[Mike Brasch]

On 11 Jan 2019, at 22:14, davecc wrote:

On Jan 11, 2019, at 12:10 PM, Sam Hathaway 
 wrote:


If coordinated right, it would centralize the thankless work of 
kludging around nonstandard, broken IMAP server implementations. 
Imagine if, instead of each MUA author having to develop, test, and 
maintain dozens of ugly hacks, they were collaborating to improve a 
single JMAP proxy codebase that all could use.


I use DavMail to use MailMate with the Exchange of my work. This works 
very good. And in contrast to Exchange-IMAP this way I can use Tagging 
as DavMail translates between Exchange categories ans IMAP keywords.


Sometimes it is (much) better to use a tool like DavMail than to work 
you don't like. :)


I know this is a little different than a JMAP-IMAP-Proxy. But nothing 
gets better if you stick to the same thing forever. We all know, that 
IMAP has problems. Either "we" do the step to a protocol like JMAP or 
someone else will create facts. Has there been a greater chance of 
switching to a non-proprietary mail protocol?


I'd be willing to take the step – ok, maybe it's easy to say as an end 
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Re: [MlMt] JMAP support

[Mike Brasch]

On 29 Dec 2018, at 20:09, Randall Gellens wrote:

> I'm curious, why are you asking for JMAP support in MailMate?

Read the 2nd link. It will probably explain it better than I could. :)

And maybe its implementation could help MailMate/Benny.

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[MlMt] JMAP support

[Mike Brasch]

Moin moin,

I've just been reading:

 - https://fastmail.blog/2018/12/27/jmap-is-on-the-home-straight/
 - https://jmap.io
 - https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/jmap/about/

I asked for it long time ago. Maybe it's more interesting now?

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Re: [MlMt] Does MailMate mirror everything back to the server?

[Mike Brasch]

On 21 Feb 2018, at 17:42, Ron Britton wrote:

I can see the advantages to it.  TBH, my current approach to email is 
not serving me well.  I frequently get overwhelmed by all of the stuff 
I get in a day.  I'd love to try an inbox zero approach, but my inbox 
has thousands of old emails that are too important to toss but not 
important enough to take the time to save out to the hard drive (lots 
of conversations with people, etc.).


I use a helper smart folder (which I never use to view mails) just to 
move mails >180 days to the archive folder (on the IMAP):



Mailboxes
   INBOX
   Send
Conditions
 180 
Rules



Additionally I have set my Archive folder to generate subfolders by Date 
> Year.


Maybe this is an option for you?


If you want do give IMAP another try, consider to let the IMAP do all 
static filtering for you as all your clients will benefit from it. The 
180-day-to-archive-move is currently for me the only exception as my 
IMAP has no (easy) way to do it for me. Maybe I'll try it via SIEVE if I 
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Re: [MlMt] Hide Quota %

[Mike Brasch]

On 15 Jan 2018, at 11:15, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


This is available now.


Yes, now I can see it. :-)

Here is an example of the mailbox menu for a server with detailed 
QUOTA support:


![](cid:B6635D4F-F3E1-432B-A6C2-F54764AEA4F9@freron.com 
"PastedImage.png")


This is for a single quota root name with 4 limits. A server could 
have multiple quota roots and in that case “All Quota Limits” 
would have a set of submenus. I haven't seen that “in the wild” 
though.


Why it is reporting megabytes instead of gigabytes? MailMate is 
reporting 69.1% (1.3MiB of 1.9MiB)", the Fastmail web interface 69% 
(1382MB of 2000MB).



The "All quota limits" menu entry is not available for me (fastmail.fm). 
It seems that gMail (gapps) has no QUOTA support.




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Re: [MlMt] Hide Quota %

[Mike Brasch]

On 14 Jan 2018, at 16:57, Bill Cole wrote:

I'm not Benny, but I'm pretty sure that he has only implemented this 
in the 1.x line (1.10r5451) and not in the 2.0BETA line, which last 
got 1.x updates ported with r5443.


Ah… this could it be. :-)

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Re: [MlMt] Hide Quota %

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On 14 Jan 2018, at 11:36, Marc ARC wrote:

> I just did set mine to 0.0 and . . . all are showing.

I already tried this – no success.

> Otherwise it is over to Benny

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Re: [MlMt] Hide Quota %

[Mike Brasch]

Moin moin Mark,

I have set the value to 0.5:

defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmQuotaWarningLevel 0.5

My account at Fastmail is around 70% but MailMate doesn't show any 
quota. Apple Mails instead is able to show my quota.



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Re: [MlMt] Hide Quota %

[Mike Brasch]

Where I can see the Quota? I see nothing. Maybe I look at the wrong places.

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Re: [MlMt] Rule for mailbox X in all accounts?

[Mike Brasch]

On 30 Dec 2017, at 10:36, Jan Erik Moström wrote:

Is it possible to define a smart mailbox that lists all messages from 
mailbox X in each account *without* having to list them individually?


Maybe this does what you want:

Mailboxes: 
Conditions: Path>  "X"

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Re: [MlMt] Feature request: autoremove signature

[Mike Brasch]

On 10 Nov 2017, at 15:47, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

You asked for this [a very long time 
ago](https://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/64-replying-mails-signature-in-replied-mail-should-be-cut-off) 
:)


Oh yes… and I still miss it. :-)

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Re: [MlMt] Feature wish: Clean subject - Get rid of multiple "Re:"

[Mike Brasch]

On 10 Nov 2017, at 4:59, Paul Sture wrote:

I see this with German messages too. Multiple instances of "AW:" seem 
to be common.


This is often caused by clients like Outlook which translate the subject 
into the language of the mail client. So that's not a specific German 
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[MlMt] Feature request: autoremove signature

[Mike Brasch]

Moin moin,

some times ago I asked for this feature and I really need it. I want to 
autoremove the signature block (minusminusspace) when replying.



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Re: [MlMt] Feature wish: Clean subject - Get rid of multiple "Re:"

[Mike Brasch]

On 6 Nov 2017, at 11:27, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


MailMate should already do this,


MailMate does it, but only when replying. Is it a dumb idea to do it on 
arrival of such mails?


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Re: [MlMt] Feature wish: Clean subject - Get rid of multiple "Re:"

[Mike Brasch]

On 5 Nov 2017, at 14:51, Mike Brasch wrote:

Yes. With nearly all german users of Outlook and some other clients 
you get subjects beginning with "Re: AW: Re: AW:". One "extension for 
every reply. Recently I got a mail with "Re: Re:".


"AW:" ist german for "Antwort" (-> reply).

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Re: [MlMt] Feature wish: Clean subject - Get rid of multiple "Re:"

[Mike Brasch]

On 4 Nov 2017, at 15:52, John Cooper wrote:


Andreas Borutta wrote (at 1:14 on 4 Nov 2017):

There is a nice extension, which eliminates the multiple "Re:" which 
many damaged clients produce.


I haven't seen this problem occurring in MailMate. Have others?


Yes. With nearly all german users of Outlook and some other clients you 
get subjects beginning with "Re: AW: Re: AW:". One "extension for every 
reply. Recently I got a mail with "Re: Re:".


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Re: [MlMt] Templates

[Mike Brasch]

On 15 Sep 2017, at 0:46, Robert Brenstein wrote:

Saved messages in Drafts might have been usable for this if MM allowed 
to edit drafts as new messages as it does for sent messages.


The problem is: I only want to see draft mails in drafts. I use an badge 
for not sent mails in the menu bar. If there were also templates in 
drafts I could more likely overlook real draft mails.


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Re: [MlMt] the "mailbox from certain contacts" question

[Mike Brasch]

On 19 Feb 2017, at 23:41, Max Rydahl Andersen wrote:

I'm looking for ways to have a mailbox that shows any email from a 
specific group of people, similar to VIP in iOS or apple mail.


I have a helper smart folder named "ViP source" with

mailboxes: "All messages"
condition: "Tags/Keyword" include "ViP"

Additionally I have the main smart folder "ViP" with

mailboxes: "All messages"
condition: "From>Name" is in "ViP source" "From>Name"
submailboxes: "From>Name"

All you have to do is to tag one mail for each person you want to see in 
your ViP folder.


Does it do what you want?

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Re: [MlMt] Trash or Deleted Messages?

[Mike Brasch]

Am 23. Januar 2017 12:26:26 nachm. schrieb Benny Kjær Nielsen 
:



Note that this
only works if MailMate is always an open application, but this is a
general issue with date-based rules.


Fastmail already has this feature. One can set the "permanently delete when 
older than" for every folder in the folder settings of their web interface. 
I use it to permanently delete Spams and Trash older than 30 days. On most 
mailinglists folders I set this to older than 365 days.


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Re: [MlMt] Correspondence View / Sort Order

[Mike Brasch]

Moin moin.

On 12 Jan 2017, at 8:18, Robert M. Münch wrote:

> Is there a way that I can make "newest first" a default?

Just add a date column (context menu on subject header) and sort by date. :-)

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Re: [MlMt] MmMessagesOutlineMoveStrategy

[Mike Brasch]

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I get the idea, but I'm afraid this would be non-trivial to do. It's not
how tableviews work in general on OS X and I would need to make some
kind of hack. That might get ugly or it might not, but right now it's
not something I'm going to prioritize.


And if you delay the delete operation? You could mark the mail for deletion 
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[MlMt] MmMessagesOutlineMoveStrategy

[Mike Brasch]

Moin Moin,

I have set MmMessagesOutlineMoveStrategy to none. Is it possible to set 
the logical marker at the next or previuos item of the deleted one?  I 
definitely don't want that a item is selected after deleting, but I want 
to be able to move to the next mail I want to see. Maybe you could draw 
a bold blue line between the next and previous neighbour of the deleted 
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[MlMt] Feature request: Highlighting oft search words in body and header

[Mike Brasch]

Moin moin,

something I really miss is highligting of search words in mail body and 
header. Sometimes I have only a vague idea what I'm looking for and 
skimming over many hits and long mails is very time consuming.


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Re: [MlMt] enhancement, I think

[Mike Brasch]

On 25 Jul 2016, at 11:19, Robert Brenstein wrote:

He would be better off to work only with iCloud since every Mac users 
has access there or set up his own service tailored to his needs.


I never used iCloud and I have no intention to ever change this. I 
prefer more "generic" ways of syncing. Currently I use Bittorrent Sync 
and Dropbox (for me it is "generic" enough as it is available for many 
platforms).


As long a syncing mechanism uses local folders for syncing (like 
Dropbox, Bittorrent Sync and some others) MailMate could copy the 
relevant data to such a folder. This way users can use their preferred 
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Re: [MlMt] Submailbox naming

[Mike Brasch]

On 3 Jul 2016, at 20:31, Howard Wettstein wrote:


Is it possible to delete a single sub-smart-mailbox?


If the subfolder corresponds to a source (smart) mailbox, you could 
exclude the source folder in the mailboxes tab. Or maybe you can define 
a condition which will do it.



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Re: [MlMt] Submailbox naming

[Mike Brasch]

On 3 Jul 2016, at 19:17, John D. Muccigrosso wrote:

I’m trying to name sub mailboxes to a smart mailbox by the account 
name. The default os source.path results in several with the same name 
“INBOX”, which of course isn’t very helpful.


What’s the magic word to use here (if there is one)?


Source > Path > Noinbox

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Re: [MlMt] CardDAV multi address book support?

[Mike Brasch]

On 26 Mar 2016, at 8:19, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


It works now!


It doesn't work for me. The contact groups and the contacts from my work 
adressbook are not shown in the address lookup window. They are also not 
shown when typing in the to/cc/bcc field.


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Re: [MlMt] CardDAV multi address book support?

[Mike Brasch]

Hi Benny,

I just see, that BusyContacts seems to use its own Contacts store. If 
BusyMac provides an API for address lookup in BusyContacts, would you 
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[MlMt] CardDAV multi address book support?

[Mike Brasch]

Moin moin Benny,

the CardDAV server at Fastmail supports multiple address books per 
account. Alongside the "Default" adress book I want to use another one 
for my job. While it is not accessible via OSX adressbook and Fastmail 
web-frontend, it is via BusyContacts on OSX and via CardDAV-Adapter/DW 
Contacts on Android.


It would be nice if MM could lookup for addresses in all address books 
and not only in "Default".


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Re: [MlMt] changing the synchronisation schedule under 5 minutes

[Mike Brasch]

On 18 Jan 2016, at 15:00, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:


No, is grayed out.
Oh, perhaps because I'm in trial mode?! I have only 4-5 days of using 
MailMate under my belt… ;-)


If I remember correctly MailMate allows three IDLE connections per 
account. Could this be the case for you? Somewhere is an option to allow 
more connections. If I remember I'll tell you.


I don't know how MailMate behaves, if the provider don't allow you to 
use more IDLE connections. I'm not shure, but this (provider) limit 
applies for the account over all connected clients.


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Re: [MlMt] changing the synchronisation schedule under 5 minutes

[Mike Brasch]

On 17 Jan 2016, at 11:39, Vlad Ghitulescu wrote:

Is it possible to change the synchronization schedule under the 5 
minutes that are actually the minimum?


Is the connected state not an option for you?

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Re: [MlMt] Searching in Subject line

[Mike Brasch]

On 26 Aug 2015, at 17:06, Thomas Eckhold wrote:

Due to the fact that the to-header contains MailMate Users 
mailmate@lists.freron.com why not a rule based on this header?


There is also the List-Id header (mailmate.lists.freron.com).

This type of static regular postal sorting should better take place on 
the IMAP server. That way all devices will benefit without the need of 
the running sorting mail client.


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Re: [MlMt] Searching in Subject line

[Mike Brasch]

I forgot: The IMAP sorts all mailing lists by list-id (and in case of 
two lists by to-header) into subfolders of Mailinglisten.


In MailMate I have defined a smartfolder which builds subfolders by the 
list name part of the IMAP folder (because of the two lists):


${#source.path.noinbox/Mailinglisten\///}

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Re: [MlMt] Mailmate and BusyContacts

[Mike Brasch]

On 18 Aug 2015, at 22:51, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Well, it works for me with BusyContacts. Although I had a problem 
making it work when launching MailMate from its build folder. It 
seemed I had to place it in `/Applications/` to make it work (I didn't 
investigate this in detail)...


I have installed MailMate in /Users/Shared/Applications/Net and it 
works. 90% of my Applications are installed in 
/Users/Shared/Applications/… since OSX 10.1 and I never had problems 
because of this.


BusyContacts also works as expected for me.

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Re: [MlMt] Monospaced font when reading messages?

[Mike Brasch]

You can change the font in nearly all views of MailMate with Format - 
Show Fonts. It will change the font of the active view.


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Re: [MlMt] see release notes without updating?

[Mike Brasch]

On 19 Jun 2015, at 16:31, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 19 Jun 2015, at 15:44, Shoshanna Green wrote:

Is there any way to see the release notes that accompany a new 
version of MailMate (the changelog) without actually installing the 
new version?


Sorry, that is currently not possible.


[Sparkle](http://sparkle-project.org/) is not an option?

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Re: [MlMt] Nested smart folders do not update

[Mike Brasch]

Giulio Eulisse giulio.euli...@cern.ch schrieb am 27.05.2015:

 NOT in A sometimes I do see messages of A also in B, when a new
 message arrives. If I quit and start again, then those are gone.

Same problem here. Latest build (but also in earlier builds). I can provide 
more details later if needed (I'm AFK).

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Re: [MlMt] Nested smart folders do not update

[Mike Brasch]

On 27 May 2015, at 14:38, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

You are welcome to send me a reproducible example, that is, an email 
which triggers the problem when arriving in the Inbox (use “Forward 
as Attachment”)


This is currently a general behavior when sending mails with MailMate. 
Every mail I send does not appear in my Inbox+Sent smart folder until a 
restart of MM. New mails appear immediatly.


If I send a mail from my Android tablet, it appears instantly in this 
smart folder.



and the smart mailboxes needed:

~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist


I'll send you the files off list.


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Re: [MlMt] Nested smart folders do not update

[Mike Brasch]

On 27 May 2015, at 22:25, Mike Brasch wrote:

 [...] does not appear in my Inbox+Sent smart folder until a restart of MM.

… or if a new mail arrives…

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Re: [MlMt] Unable to delete draft

[Mike Brasch]

Maybe it's related: After sending an email the sent mail was filed into 
trash instead of sent mail. (I wouldn't want to exclude that I have done 
it accidentally.) The problem is now that I cannot move this mail to the 
sent mail folder.


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[MlMt] Option for focus on message list?

[Mike Brasch]

Moin Moin!

When opening a mail via badge in menubar the mail pane has the focus. Is 
there an option for having the focus on messages list? If not, then see 
this (@Benny) as an feature request. :-)


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Re: [MlMt] second try: 5065 fails on launch with segmentation error

[Mike Brasch]

On 23 Feb 2015, at 19:09, Helen Holzgrafe wrote:


How can I revert to 5063 again?


You can get older builds 
[here](http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/?C=M;O=D).


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Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail

[Mike Brasch]

**Addendum**: Ah, I just see that you are using a gmail address: This 
will not work with Gmail-accounts as they unfortunately throw away 
messages sent back from list server – one of the reasons for me not 
to use gmail.


Then I would try to include a condition which catches mailing list 
postings in your send folder. But I don't have a conrete idea how to 
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Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail

[Mike Brasch]

On 19 Feb 2015, at 5:59, David Morrison wrote:

That's fine if all your messages for a particular smart folder have 
some common factor, such as a mailing list name. But what happens when 
the mailing list changes its name or host or something?


I use this for my mailing lists:

 - the IMAP sorts the mailing lists into folders like 
Mailinglisten/MailMate

 - in MailMate then I use a smart folder with
- Mailboxes: account
	- Conditions: Source.path contains Mailinglisten (I use the path 
because two of my mailing lists don't use the ListID-header, otherwise I 
would use this)

- Submailboxes: Source.path.noinbox and mail box format
${#source.path.noinbox/Mailinglisten\///} (this will name the subfolders 
by their folder name without the full path, like MailMate)


If you then ever have a change in one of your mailing lists then you 
only need to change the rule on the IMAP server and maybe to rename the 
folder in case of a name change of the list.


Then I have another rule to filter out my mailing list postings out of 
my combined Inbox/Sent smart folder:


 - Mailboxes: Inbox, Sent
 - Conditions: Message-Id is not in Mailinglisten Message-Id

When you then post to a mailing list, your sent mail will appear in your 
Inbox/Send folder until you get your posting back from the list server.


I hope I understand your problem correctly and this will help. Maybe you 
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[MlMt] Submailbox string format

[Mike Brasch]

Moin Moin!

I'm trying to make the names of submailboxes are named by their folder 
without the full path. Currently I'm using the default


${#source.path.noinbox}

which leads into folder names like

Mailinglisten/MailMate

Now I want remove the Mailinglisten/. How can I do this.

Maybe a feature request: it would be very helpful to have something like 
a code completion menu to see an overview of the possible values (what 
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[MlMt] Problems with sending markdown

[Mike Brasch]

H… I just saw some anomalies in my last posting to this list (Tags 
and Submailboxes).


Why is my posting (which I got from list server) shown in plain text 
instead of markdown? I also don't have the options (in View - Message 
Body Parts) to switch between plain text and markdown (they are not 
shown). Another mails from this list with markdown have these options. 
Convert markdown to html is also not available for my posting.


I have just looked into the raw mail and saw:

```
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; Format=flowed
```

The other markdown mails I received are:

```
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary==_MailMate_A20D5F45-0497-4AA3-8092-8CD6D6B61F9D_=


--=_MailMate_A20D5F45-0497-4AA3-8092-8CD6D6B61F9D_=
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; markup=markdown
.
.
.
Content-Type: text/html
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
```

What is going wrong here? Should I set up Mailmate completely new?



(In this mail I switched on generate HTML body part)

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Re: [MlMt] Problems with sending markdown

[Mike Brasch]

In this case I have the options to show plain text, markdown and 
convert markdown to HTML. The content is also not a binary blob.


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[MlMt] Tags and Submailboxes

[Mike Brasch]

Moin Moin!

I'm using the latest 64bit version of Mailmate. I have a little issue 
with the subfolders of my smart folder Tags. It is set up as 
recommended in the latest release notes. If I have 3 mails with tags:


  - MailA with workinprogress
  - MailB with important
  - MailC with important and workinprogress (in this order).

I would expect to 2 subfolders:

  - important with MailB and MailC
  - workinprogress with MailA and MailC

Instead I get to subfolders:

  - important workinprogress with MailB and MailC
  - workinprogress with MailA and MailC

The mails shown in each subfolder are correct but the subfolder 
important workinprogress should be named important


I haven't already tested it with more mails and more tags.


And in general I have the problem that the smart folders are not updated 
until restart of Mailmate. If I tag another mail with a third tag, the 
corresponding subfolder for this tag is only shown after a restart.


.
.
.

I have just done another test:

  - MailD with important, tobeanswered and workinprogress

expected:

  - important with MailB, MailC and MailD
  - workinprogress with MailA, MailC and MailD
  - tobeanswered with MailD

after the needed restart to update the subfolders:

  - important tobeanswered workinprogress with MailA, MailC and MailD
  - important tobeanswered workinprogress with MailD
  - important tobeanswered workinprogress with MailB, MailC and MailD

As before, the mails itself are sorted correctly but the subfolder 
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Re: [MlMt] Tags and Submailboxes

[Mike Brasch]

On 10 Feb 2015, at 13:35, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

You mean a shortcut to open the completion popup with all tags 
(without any characters entered)?


Yes. For me this would be enough. Mouse centric people might want to 
have a menu button (additionally).


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Re: [MlMt] Tags and Submailboxes

[Mike Brasch]

On 10 Feb 2015, at 12:31, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Make sure you clear the “Mailbox name format” in the 
“Submailboxes” pane. It's a bit subtle to make this work correctly 
(because of the multiple values), but I think the above is a sign that 
you have the “wrong” format string.


Aaaah, great. :-) That was the problem. I did this many months before 
after a tip to solve a specific problem (no idea what it was:-)).


In this context a little feature request (or should I open a ticket?):

Int the tag editor I'm missing a contextmenu (triggered by keystroke) to 
look for a specific tag. Currently I use tags (display name) beginning 
with _ (underscore) to get such a list. In the settings I use a mapping 
like _atag to atag.


(I don't use real display names, like To be answered, because in older 
versions of Mailmate I wasn't able to display this in subfolders.)



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Re: [MlMt] Threading Confusion

[Mike Brasch]

Moin Moin!

On 18 Jan 2015, at 18:41, Marco Carmosino wrote:

The only issue remaining is mailing lists: there are two starting 
messages for the thread, one reflected by the mailing list and one 
from my Sent Messages folder, showing up in my Threaded Inbox. 
MailMate hangs the thread off the copy of the initial message from my 
Sent Messages folder. And the same will happen with this message: two 
copies of my reply will show up in the threaded inbox, one from Sent 
Messages and one from the list.


My IMAP server sorts out all mailing list mails into folders (which is 
IMHO the correct instance for doing this). These folders are the sources 
of my smart folder Mailinglists. I don't use the list-id because of 2 
mailing lists which unfortunatly don't use it. Otherwise I would do so. 
No conditions. Submailboxes with Source - Path. No rules.


Then, in the Inbox+Send smart folder, I use the condition

Message_Id is not in Mailinglists Message-Id

If I send a mail to a list, the sent mail appears in the Inbox+Send 
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Re: [MlMt] Threading Confusion

[Mike Brasch]

On 19 Jan 2015, at 16:28, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

If a competition existed for “trick of the month” I'd say you 
earned it for this one. Beautiful.


Thank you very much. :-)

But this will not work with Gmail addresses because Gmail deletes the 
mails sent back from the list server. A bad behavior I think. Inter alia 
because of this I went away from Gmail. In the meantime there is maybe 
an option for this?


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[MlMt] Behavior when mail opens via menu extra counters

[Mike Brasch]

Moin Moin!

If I open a mail via a menu extra counter (same with notification/growl 
banners) the mail view has the focus. But IMHO the message list should 
have the focus. The current behavior needs three SHIFT+TABs for me to go 
to the message list (I'm using the Correspondence Arc layout).


Maybe you could make it a optionally behavior.


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Re: [MlMt] how to change the standard from address

[Mike Brasch]

Moin Moin!

Why is this thread broken into 3 parts?

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Re: [MlMt] Configuring MailMate for showing messages not covered by any rule (or automatically move mails)

[Mike Brasch]

On 23 Sep 2014, at 23:05, Rasmus Møller Selsmark wrote:

I'm using Gmail (company-wide solution, so cannot move to other 
provider) and would like to organize mails into folders/smart 
mailboxes. My workflow: Receives mails on approx. 20 different mailing 
lists, which I would like to automatically filter/move into 
folders/mailboxes. That seems to be easily configured using Smart 
Mailboxes.


Is there a reason why you do not let the IMAP make the filter job? This 
is IMHO the correct place for general sorting like this. One of the 
benefits is then also that the inboxes of other devices are not flooded 
with mailing list mail.


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Re: [MlMt] Migrating to new Mac

[Mike Brasch]

Moin Moin!

On 31 Aug 2014, at 16:28, Blair Hartsfield wrote:


Which describes these folders/files:

~/Library/Application Support/MailMate/
~/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist

I'm not finding this directory or file on my original Mac that is 
currently running Mailmate, and setup with all the accounts and 
preferences.


Have you thought of that ~ is your home folder, which is expanded to 
/Users/username? The path names are then (under the assumption that 
your user name is blair):


/Users/blaire/Library/Application Support/MailMate/
/Users/blaire/Library/Preferences/com.freron.MailMate.plist

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Re: [MlMt] Redirect using Rules?

[Mike Brasch]

On 27 Aug 2014, at 18:47, Mark Chapman wrote:

I have a number of emails that need to be automatically redirected to 
someone else when they come in.


Is it possible to use rules (or if necessary a smart mailbox) to 
redirect messages?


Is there a reason that you do not do this as a server rule? For me that 
would be a server rule.


If you want to do this in MailMate, you could do it as a rule on your 
INBOX (you can use the smart folder Inbox or the real INBOX folder). 
Double click on your INBOX to open the mailbox editor and go to tab 
Rules. Here you can set the contition and the action (redirect).


Maybe you have to activate the v2.0-features in the General-pane of the 
MM-preferences and/or to load the actual test build (Software update in 
preferences and ALT-click on Check now).


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Re: [MlMt] Please remove me from your list.

[Mike Brasch]

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 Am 26.08.2014 um 12:47 schrieb Max Rydahl Andersen max.ander...@gmail.com:
 
 On 8 Aug 2014, at 16:46, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:
 
 On 8 Aug 2014, at 16:24, Armando Seay wrote:
 
 Thanks
 
 I'll do that for you in a moment.
 
 Anyone else wanting to unsubscribe, please note the link provided at the 
 bottom of every email from the list. Follow that to find information about 
 how to unsubscribe or change your subscription settings.
 
 ...I'll take this opportunity to again suggest implementing the feature that 
 will provide buttons for mails with mailing list headers ? :)
 
 Turning this:
 
 List-Id: MailMate Users mailmate.lists.freron.com
 List-Unsubscribe: http://lists.freron.com/options/mailmate,
 mailto:mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com?subject=unsubscribe
 List-Archive: http://lists.freron.com/pipermail/mailmate
 List-Post: mailto:mailmate@lists.freron.com
 List-Help: mailto:mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com?subject=help
 List-Subscribe: http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate,
 mailto:mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com?subject=subscribe
 
 into: 
 https://www.dropbox.com/s/qpiuwa16ys28o32/Screenshot%202014-08-26%2012.37.01.png?dl=0
 
 (notice the List header ;)
 
 /max
 
 
 
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[MlMt] Zeichen ersetzen in PDFs

[Mike Brasch]

Moin!

Gibt es ein Tool, um in PDFs Zeichen(folgen) zu ersetzen? Ich hab hier 
PDFs, die mit Latex erstellt wurden und wo Umlaute noch altschulisch, 
also z.B. a, geschrieben wurden. Das erschwert das Suchen in den 
Dokumenten unnötig.


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Re: [MlMt] How to turn of default write commands ....

[Mike Brasch]

On 13 Apr 2014, at 6:23, Jim0266 wrote:


Experimenting I turned on

defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDefaultBccHeader -string

I cannot figure out, or find in the MailMate documentation, the syntax 
to turn off defaults one enabled.


I assume you want to delete this setting. In this case (- string type) 
you have to use delete:


defaults delete com.freron.MailMate MmDefaultBccHeader

This is not MailMate specific. You'll find this information in the 
man-page to the defaults command:


man defaults

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Re: [MlMt] Follow-up question on using Spamsieve with Mailmate

[Mike Brasch]

On 31 Mar 2014, at 20:28, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

The only server-side filtering standard I know is Sieve, but I don't 
even know if a GUI for Sieve exists on Mac OS X (theoretically, I 
think it's possible to create such a GUI if the IMAP server supports 
Sieve).


There is a [Sieve-App](https://bitbucket.org/dergraf83/sieve/) for OSX. 
But there was no activity since 2010. I could not test it because 
FastMail does not support Managed Sieve.


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Re: [MlMt] Rules to archive mail? (How to trigger rule-processing?)

[Mike Brasch]

On 13 Feb 2014, at 11:19, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

Rules with date-based conditions only work for messages becoming a 
part of a mailbox for a different reason (initial arrival, mailbox 
move, tag change, ...). It currently does not work in cases like what 
you describe here.


There is no workaround I believe (other than me improving how date 
conditions are handled).


Feature Request: a button or menu entry to enforce rules. I often wished 
such a feature after creating a rule.


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Re: [MlMt] Rules?

[Mike Brasch]

On 11 Feb 2014, at 14:03, John Cooper wrote:

I believe I've looked in all the menus. I've looked at every 
preference pane. And I've right-clicked a wide sample of mailboxes, 
smart and otherwise. I can't find any rules settings.


You have to enable the Experimental 2.0 Features in the General pane 
of the settings.


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Re: [MlMt] Can Displayed Count for an IMAP account be told to ignore messages in Trash?

[Mike Brasch]

On 11 Feb 2014, at 4:57, Dries Geeroms wrote:

Alternatively: is there a way for me to tell MailMate always mark 
all

messages in Trash 'read' if they are marked unread? That's a bit
hackish, but it would do the trick.


You can use a mailbox rule for this, see attached screenshot.

I think these are part of the experimental features (under settings).


You can attach this rule to the Deleted Messages folder. And you can 
omit the Tags/Keywords does not include seen condition.


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Re: [MlMt] Can Displayed Count for an IMAP account be told to ignore messages in Trash?

[Mike Brasch]

On 11 Feb 2014, at 8:12, Mike Brasch wrote:


You can attach this rule to the Deleted Messages folder.


Oh... It is probably too early this morning. :-) I just saw that you put 
this rule already on the Deleted Messages folder. It's time to get 
some coffee.



And you can omit the Tags/Keywords does not include seen condition.


You can still omit this contition. This works for me.

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Re: [MlMt] Thread Arcs styling options

[Mike Brasch]

On 5 Feb 2014, at 16:56, Eric A. Meyer wrote:

I was curious about the styling options available for Thread Arcs, as 
I’ve been thinking about ways to enhance the Arcs so they indicate 
things like which messages are flagged, unread, have attachments, 
etc., etc.  Is CSS applicable there?


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Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?

[Mike Brasch]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 13:22, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


How did it know which list you were writing to?


I think Messenger Pro derived it from the current folder and the 
(manually maintained) list of all mailing lists. Maybe each list entry 
had a path. I don't remember that completely. But it worked. Every time 
I opened a new thread, MP automagically filled out the list specific 
from and the to field. It behaved exactly like in a usenet client.


One way to realise it could be a simple user maintainable list of all 
used mailing lists (the MP-way). This would be absolutely OK for me.


The other way could be automatic guessing derived from the header 
information of the first n mails in current folder (I would expect that 
all users of mailing lists let sort the messages into appropriate 
folders.)


If I see the header, it might be difficult to find the correct 
from-address. Often I used aliases which appears in a slightly different 
version in each mail. One example is al...@provider.de appears in header 
like X-Remote-Delivered-To: al...@123456provider.de. The correct 
address al...@provider.de appears only in the 2nd Received:-block.


I think the first one is the more stable solution. Although it means 
more work for the user. But it is easier for people like me who used 
different addresses for subscribing to mailing lists over the years. 
Currently, if I cannot remember, I have to look into the headers to get 
the correct from-address which is really annoying.


Maybe such a list entry could be generated via context menu on a list 
mail via header fields like List-post:.


If the currently selected message or mailbox has the information 
needed then it can be done automatically. Actually, this code already 
exists, but it was disabled because it was annoying for some users (I 
forgot the details). MailMate used the `List-Post` header to create 
the new message.


I've inserted a boolean to enable this code, but I haven't tested it. 
You can tell me about any issues when the next test version is out :-)


defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmListPostLookupEnabled -bool YES


This does not work here. The to-field is always empty. Even in mailing 
lists where I had written days ago.


Maybe an important detail: I'm using only one mail account. All other 
addresses are either aliases of the main address or forwarding addresses 
of other providers (via Personalities feature of Fastmail). All of these 
addresses are inserted into the email addresses field of the account 
settings.



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Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?

[Mike Brasch]

On 10 Jan 2014, at 21:28, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 10 Jan 2014, at 20:23, Mike Brasch wrote:

This does not work here. The to-field is always empty. Even in 
mailing lists where I had written days ago.


I wasn't quite clear. A test version with this variable is not yet 
released (I added it seconds before sending the reply).


After your post I found a new test release (3932) – I thought it was 
the release you meant. :-)


Ok, I'll waiting.

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Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?

[Mike Brasch]

Moin!

I have, with respect to the mailing lists, also a few wishes.

Many years ago (10 years), my favorite mail client on RISC OS 
(Messenger Pro, mail and usenet client) had speacial features for 
mailing lists. The feel of mailing lists was exactly the same as that of 
Usenet-groups (incl. scoring, kill file etc.). If I, for example, 
created a new thread in a mailing list, MP used automatically the 
correct from-address. This was done via a manually maintained list of 
mailing lists with their standard adresses (post, unsubscribe, help 
etc.).


I don't know if it will be difficult du do this automatically. It would 
be OK for me to do it manually.


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Re: [MlMt] show List-Id headers or more direct support for unsubcribe of mailing lists ?

[Mike Brasch]

On 9 Jan 2014, at 19:51, Kee Hinckley wrote:

MailMate does do a nice job with from addresses though. Every time I 
reply to this list it switches to the address that I previously used 
for


Ah, I forgot: Messenger Pro also automatically filled out the to-field 
(based on the current selected folder). I think in the case of mailing 
lists, mailmate should not guess the from-address. The most mailing 
lists accepting the address used for subscribing. And this is the only 
address which is eligible. There is IMHO nothing to guess.


This is a feature I miss to this day.

And, if possible, this should also working with the mailing list smart 
list (with subfolders), which I'm using most of the time.


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Re: [MlMt] NNTP support.

[Mike Brasch]

Am Samstag, 14. Dezember 2013 um 21:40 schrieb Igor Karpov:  
 Three years ago you have mentioned an idea of future NNTP support in 
 Mailmate. Is this idea still alive?
 This is strange but there is no any good NNTP client for OSX nowadays.
  

ME TOO! :)

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[MlMt] Create smart mailbox w/ full threads?

[Mike Brasch]

On 29 Mar 2012, at 22:42, Benny Kj?r Nielsen wrote:

 Your solution can be used for messages which can be identified using a 
 `List-Id` identifier (and a list address). I believe Neil was looking 
 for a more general solution: Any message from the past 7 days extended 
 by messages in the same threads.

Ok, I missed something. :-)

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[MlMt] Tips to make custom (thread arcs) views easier?

[Mike Brasch]

On 6 Jun 2011, at 10:35, Benny Kj?r Nielsen wrote:

 I have no (easy) control of the timing of tool tips, but the following 
 can be done for any application:

   defaults write com.freron.MailMate NSInitialToolTipDelay -int 100

This is no option. In most cases, tool tips are rather annoying. But 
here they where rather helpful if they appear sooner.

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[MlMt] Tips to make custom (thread arcs) views easier?

[Mike Brasch]

On 3 Jun 2011, at 0:57, Benny Kj?r Nielsen wrote:

 Just a text editor, but I use one (TextMate) with syntax highlighting 
 for plist files which makes it much easier to avoid syntax errors.

 Even for me it can be a bit of trial-and-error. There are also some 
 bugs in the layout system which makes some configurations impossible. 
 But don't get me wrong. I'm really glad when users try to use the 
 layout system to personalize the GUI.

A view editor would be fine? anybody? :-))

 I have attached a plist file which almost does what you want. Due to 
 one of the layout bugs I had to fix the width of the thread arcs view. 
 You can change this width if you like to your preferred setting.

Oh, thank you very much. This is similarly that what I want.

 I also tried adding a shortcut for enabling/disabling the thread arcs 
 view, but unfortunately that does not work for fixed width views. I 
 didn't remove it though in case I fix the layout problem.

 Thread arcs should reflect the read status. Is it possible to make it 
 myself via the .plist?

 No, there is no option to do that. I guess there could be some system 
 for assigning colors to states like unread, flagged, etc. I'll think 
 about that.

Oh, yes please. I think, the tool tips should also appear earlier and a 
little bit clearly using newlines, for example:

subjectnewline
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