[MlMt] MM crashes Windowserver?
That beta is older than Ventura so I'm not surprised it's causing problems. Why don't you try the latest test build? Hold the option key while you check for updates. The test builds are usually quite stable. Hope this helps, -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Latest normal release?
Knowing how many users are using each “hidden” preference would probably be useful, too. I imagine keeping all of those working isn’t free. Cheers, -sam On 11 Nov 2022, at 10:52, Glenn Parker wrote: On 6 Nov 2022, at 7:42, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: That's a very good question, but I don't really have a good answer. I'm to blame for this (as with all things related to MailMate). The starting point was major changes to the message view of MailMate which then cascaded into other parts of MailMate eventually making it very hard to make updates which would not break existing features for some users. Any sustainable software development cycle has to include phasing out old non-essential features. There is also a natural reluctance to negatively impact existing users. This is especially true in a close user community like MailMate’s, where we all can interact directly with the solo developer. Why not spend some quality time re-assessing these old features? A feature survey would be informative for us (exposing problematic features we might be relying on). And it might go the other way, revealing that old features are not worth the extra sweat to maintain. Is this something Benny could offload to volunteers? Could people comb the bug tracker for things like this and put out a summary? Glenn P. Parker glenn.par...@comcast.net ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Latest normal release?
My guess would be that Benny has very high standards for stable releases? Nov 5, 2022 9:47:25 PM leo : > Hi Benny > > I just checked whether there’s a new release of MailMate. > > I am on Rev 5853 which is from last year; there is a beta release 5926 out > which is from this year. > > However when I check for „Normal releases“ MailMate tells me that I am even > my version from 2021 is still /ahead/ of the Normal releases. > > Why is MailMate very actively developed, but there are non new stable > releases? > > Thanks in advance for clarification, > Leo > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Two Quick Questions
Jim,
I’m not sure what Henry is trying to express, but I have some
suggestions for you on thread display/management:
I don’t think MailMate supports _grouping_ messages non-hierarchically
by thread and _sorting_ them by date within each thread. (I remember
Microsoft Entourage having this feature back in the day and I miss it.)
The quickest thing I’ve found for looking through a single thread in
chronological order is to:
1. Click the subject line of the thread to focus on just this thread*.
2. Press Cmd-Shift-T to turn threading off. This should leave you with
all the messages in the thread, sorted by date (or however you like.)
\*Well, technically it’s “just the messages with this subject”,
but that’s usually close enough.
From here you can select multiple messages to see them in the view (in
the same order that they appear in the list), open them, whatever. When
you’re done, you can press Cmd-Shift-T again to turn threading back on
and hit escape to go back to viewing all messages.
You also have some options for expanding and collapsing threads quickly:
1. Hold down the option key and click the disclosure triangle next to a
message to expand or collapse responses to that message, recursively.
2. With a message selected, hold down the option key and press the right
or left arrow key to expand or collapse responses to that message,
recursively.
There are also commands to expand and collapse an entire thread, no
matter which message in the thread is selected. They are:
* `expandThread:`
* `collapseThread:`
These are not bound to keyboard shortcuts by default. I have them bound
to “[“ and “]”. (Debian users may recognize these bindings from
aptitude(1).)
Read [Custom Key
Bindings](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/custom_key_bindings) for
information on how to set this stuff up.
Here’s my (small) custom keybindings file:
```
{
"[" = "expandThread:";
"]" = "collapseThread:";
a = "archive:";
j = "moveToJunk:";
l = "toggleFlag:";
m = "toggleReadState:";
s = "moveToMailbox:";
"/" = "searchAllMessages:";
}
```
Hope this helps,
-sam
On 19 Oct 2022, at 21:25, Henry Seiden wrote:
Jim,
Further responses in line below:
As for my second question, [here is a
screenshot](http://i.imgur.com/JFVPj5s.png) of my ongoing dialog with
my lawyer. There are dozens more messages in this thread requiring
laborious expansion. It’s hell to find the most recent.
How do I change the Viewer to showing a flat list of unthreaded
individual messages in reverse chron, ala Gmail’s view?
Note that in the picture I sent, of your first message it only shows
the first quest and my responses to it. That is because the MM site
reflects (echoes) responses to all. I have sent messages and received
messages isolated in different folders. If I combine them, we’d see
all threaded messages received and sent on the topic.
I created a smart Mailbox with the thread in question and can capture
all subjects containing the words required. Titled, “Same thread.”
[Here are the
conditions](https://www.dropbox.com/s/ocpmtuv0euv21jw/Screen%20Shot%202022-10-19%20at%20211712.png?dl=0).
You can re-edit to isolate any thread you’d like in the Mailbox.
Then, [we can display a larger
group](https://www.dropbox.com/s/t4zdnidi5t8jd1u/Screen%20Shot%202022-10-19%20at%20212126.png?dl=0),
showing all dated versions of specific subject emails. Some of this
has to be applicable to what you want to do, right?
Respectfully,
Henry Seiden
- -
Techworks Pro Co.
E: infotechworksprocom
W: http://techworkspro.com
On 19 Oct 2022, at 14:00, Jim Leff wrote:
How do I call up formatted view for a sent email?
Henry Seiden replied:
Can you define what you mean by a “formatted view”?
I can’t think of a clearer way to ask. Maybe it will help if I
frame it as an anecdote.
You reply to an email, interlacing your answers in blue. After
sending, you re-open the sent mail, and the entire email is in black,
because sent replies show unformatted.
You wonder whether the formatting actually came through ok, but
there’s no way to tell, nor any obvious way to bring up a formatted
view of a sent message.
==
As for my second question, [here is a
screenshot](http://i.imgur.com/JFVPj5s.png) of my ongoing dialog with
my lawyer. There are dozens more messages in this thread requiring
laborious expansion. It’s hell to find the most recent.
How do I change the Viewer to showing a flat list of unthreaded
individual messages in reverse chron, ala Gmail’s view?
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Re: [MlMt] Modifying IMAP account details
Post a screenshot of your Edit IMAP Account dialog? Maybe someone will see something you’ve missed. On 12 Oct 2022, at 16:48, mailm...@businessdatasystems.co.nz wrote: > As I set an IMAP account up I left some fields empty and now I want to > complete them. I can easily locate the "Edit IMAP account..." dialog. My > issue is that the "Apply" button is not active. No matter which field I edit > the Cancel button is the only active button. > > > My system: MailMate/5918/7435E3E2-19C3-5709-9104-3DA39B6C24F8 > 12.4.0/x86_64/MacBookPro14,3/8 > > thanks for any advice, > > Malcolm > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Manually Delete a Source?
On 11 Oct 2022, at 9:23, Scott Schulz wrote: So I’m wondering if there is a manual way to remove that source from the list, and any saved emails from disk? Hi Scott, This requires some surgery, but it’s doable. IMAP accounts are stored in `~/Library/ApplicationSupport/MailMate/Sources.plist`. SMTP accounts are stored in `~/Library/ApplicationSupport/MailMate/Submission.plist`. Sending identities are stored in `~/Library/ApplicationSupport/MailMate/Identities.plist`. If you’re familiar with plist syntax this should be pretty straightforward. The arrangement and properties of folders are stored in `~/Library/ApplicationSupport/MailMate/Mailboxes.plist`. This one is pretty complicated so I would probably first try leaving it alone and seeing if MailMate freaks out when it finds that the source for some mailboxes has disappeared. If so, you’ll need to remove the items that reference the account you’ve deleted in their `uuid` value. And then if any of the items your deleted are mentioned in another item’s `previousUUID` value, you’ll probably have to change the `previousUUID` value to point to an item that still exists. (This is how item ordering is defined.) Make sure MailMate is not running when you edit these. And back them up! Cached messages are stored in subfolders of `~/Library/ApplicationSupport/MailMate/Messages.noindex/IMAP`. You can delete these once the account is gone. Hope this helps, -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Clicking links in emails doesn't open them (Version 1.14 (5918))
Sep 26, 2022 8:06:44 AM Henry Seiden : > FWIW, links in my signature work within the body of sent posts. Links well > and properly appear for me in Safari browser pages on receipt or when opening > random old sent emails in r5918. > > [and so on for three paragraphs] But Jolin's problem is with /received/ email, not /sent/ email. Not sure what you're getting at here... Thanks, -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] copy/paste html links
On 15 Sep 2022, at 5:06, aisrael wrote: > In my hands, it pastes directly as a link (version 5898, on Big Sur). How’d you manage that? I’d love to have that behavior. When pasting into Microsoft Word, I get a hyperlink, so I know the data makes it to the pasteboard. But pasting into a MailMate composer (with Markup set to Markdown) gives me plain text. I’m using MailMate 5902 on macOS 12.5. I tried selecting and copying the “More information…” link from https://example.com using both Firefox and Safari. Used ⌘C to copy from the browsers and ⌘V to paste to MailMate. Thanks for any advice you can provide. -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Message received sound configuration [feature request]
On 13 Sep 2022, at 13:39, Henry Seiden wrote: > Mystifying and wrong as to current status. > > Outgoing sound shown is wrong and doesn’t accurately follow what the current > setting is… I’m afraid to mess with it. Did you notice the radio buttons around the MailMate icon on the left? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Download some but not all blocked images
On 3 Sep 2022, at 11:15, Randall Gellens wrote: Is there any way to tell MM to download (and hence display inline) some of them, without downloading the others? E.g., perhaps I want to download and see the images from the CDN but not the buttons, and especially not the image from the suspicious-sounding "ktclick.com". Yes, there is, using the advanced preference `MmAllowedImageURLRegexp`. I’ve been using this for years to unblock benign remote images, so that I hardly ever feel the need to click the “Download” button. I have a script that maintains it for me (but I have to add the patterns manually). Here’s the script: ```perl #!/usr/bin/env perl use Modern::Perl; use autodie ':all'; my @pats = ( 'cid:', 'https://([A-Za-z0-9-]+\.)?s3[A-Za-z0-9-]*\.amazonaws\.com/', 'https://assets\.wildbit\.com/', 'https://www\.google\.com/s2/favicons\?', 'https://(images|links|www)\.mint\.com/', #'https://github\.com/', # disabled because of /notifications/beacon/ 'https://assets\.sk-static\.com/', 'https://www\.zillow\.com/', 'https://(www|photos)\.zillowstatic\.com/', 'https://pumcgit\.prefutil\.local/', 'https://(?:[A-Za-z0-9-]+\.)?googleusercontent\.com/', 'https://gallery\.mailchimp\.com/', 'https://cdn-images\.mailchimp\.com/', 'https://www\.ups\.com/', 'https://connect\.gardnermuseum\.org/', 'https://media\.zipcar\.com/', 'https://maps\.googleapis\.com/', 'https://images\.craigslist\.org/', 'https://home\.sophos\.com/', 'https://media\.mlspin\.com/', 'https://www\.cvs\.com/', 'https://(?:[A-Za-z0-9-]+\.)?patreon\.com/', 'https://(?:[A-Za-z0-9-]+\.)?patreonusercontent\.com/', 'https://amherstcinema\.org/', 'https://files\.constantcontact\.com/9c1b9ffb601/', # Amherst Cinema 'https://(cms|img)\.chewy\.com/', 'https://chirp\.media\.chewy\.cloud/', 'https://proxy\.harvestfiles\.com/', 'https://samhathaway\.harvestapp\.com/', 'https://www\.gardencinemas\.net/', 'https://img\.cnmhstng\.com/', 'https://d1a2o89e23clzw\.cloudfront\.net/emails/', # XConfessions 'https://cdn\.harrys\.com/', 'https://cdn\.shopify\.com/', 'https://cdn\.substack\.com/', 'https://mcusercontent\.com/', 'https://hilltownnetworks\.sonar\.software/', 'https://f\.e\.walgreens\.com/i/', 'https://mi\.walgreens\.com/p/', 'https://www\.walgreens\.com/images/', 'https://(?:[A-Za-z0-9-]+\.)?bcbits\.com/', 'https://bandcamp\.com/', 'https://www\.garnethill\.com/', 'https://(?:[A-Za-z0-9-]+\.)?scene7\.com/', 'https://static\.cdn\.responsys\.net/i2/responsysimages/quicken/', 'https://endeavorexperiences\.com/', 'https://image\.email\.bofi\.com/', 'https://services\.google\.com/fh/files/emails/', 'https://fonts\.gstatic\.com/s/i/googlematerialicons/', 'https://materials\.proxyvote\.com/Approved/IMAGES/', 'https://(?:[A-Za-z0-9-]+\.)?walmartimages\.com/', 'https://(?:[A-Za-z0-9-]+\.)?mjt.lu/', 'https://billpay\.schwab\.com/', 'https://cdn\.platinumcloud\.io/', 'https://d3k81ch9hvuctc\.cloudfront\.net/', # Simplehuman 'https://media\.wordfly\.com/isabellastewartgardnermuseum/', 'https://www\.etsy\.com/images/email/', 'https://img\d*\.etsystatic\.com/', 'https://i\.etsystatic\.com/', 'https://cascade\.madmimi\.com/', # Gonzalez and Associates 'https://d1lggihq2bt4jo\.cloudfront\.net/', # Gonzalez and Associates 'https://www\.dreamwidth\.org/img/', 'https://github\.githubassets\.com/', 'https://www\.fastmail\.com/images/emailtemplates/', 'https://www\.chase\.com/content/dam/chaseonline/en/alerts/images/', 'https://static1\.squarespace\.com/static/', 'https://image\.e-mail\.amtrak\.com/', 'https://images\.ctfassets\.net/', 'https://d15k2d11r6t6rl\.cloudfront\.net/', # Plex 'https://media\.sailthru\.com/', 'http://image\.sfmc\.petfinder\.com/', 'https://image\.email\.ticketmaster\.com/', 'https://t\.vitacost\.com/images/', 'https://static\.airtable\.com/', 'https://live\.staticflickr\.com/', 'https://combo\.staticflickr\.com/', 'https://bbeditbeta\.slack\.com/', 'https://secure\.gravatar\.com/avatar/', 'https://[A-Za-z0-9-]+\.slack-edge\.com/', 'https://static\.xx\.fbcdn.net/', 'https://scontent\.xx\.fbcdn\.net/', 'https://www\.paypalobjects\.com/', 'https://p\.ebaystatic\.com/', 'https://i\.ebayimg\.com/', 'https://rxhealthalerts\.com/[^/]+.png', 'https://www\.chase\.com/content/dam/email/images/', 'https://static\.chasecdn\.com/content/services/rendition/', 'https://image\.link\.hellofresh\.com/lib/', 'https://cdn\.hellofresh\.com/', 'https?://mi\.hellofresh\.com/', 'https://cash-s\.squarecdn\.com/static/', 'https?://www\.ti\.com/content/dam/tinews/images/', 'https?://www\.ti\.com/webemail/graphics/', 'https://www\.ti\.com/graphics/',
Re: [MlMt] MailMate, Gmail, & OAUTH2 verification
On 20 May 2022, at 14:37, Antonio Leding wrote: > “…how much of a hassle maintaining an email server is…” > > I would disagree here - I’ve been running my own Postfix + Dovecot server for > over 9 years with very little maintenance or headache. I will concede a > small bit of an initial learning curve but that exists with any tech so I > chalk that up to education. Once I got it up and running, maintenance has > been minimal as it pretty much just runs… I’m glad you’ve had an easy time of things. I administrate an Exim + SpamAssassin + ClamAV + Dovecot system with around sixty users. For me the biggest source of problems is when my users configure their accounts to forward messages to one of the big webmail providers. As I’m sure you know, this inevitably results in spam being forwarded, despite pretty aggressive filtering at SMTP time. Despite my best efforts, Google or Microsoft wake up some days and decide to blackball my mail server, and their policies are so opaque that it’s impossible to understand how to get back into their good graces. It’s shit like that that’s worth $5/month to me, and why I don’t use my own mail service any more. Cheers, -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate, Gmail, & OAUTH2 verification
On 20 May 2022, at 2:16, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: > In that blog post I write: “If the provider stops supporting other > authentication schemes (which is almost true for Google) then the provider > has the power to decide which email clients are allowed to access Gmail.” I’d like to remind folks that there are several other top-tier email service providers that have less motivation for user lock-in. They generally charge a few dollars a month, which IMO is a bargain given how much of a hassle maintaining an email server is. And it’s nice to be the customer rather than the product being sold once in a while. My personal favorite is Fastmail. They use app passwords for third party clients rather than OAuth. Cheers, -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Download Images still downloads 1 pixel ones
On 9 May 2022, at 12:32, Randall Gellens wrote: The difference between "Blocked" and "Strictly Blocked" is that the latter uses a list of known-undesirable sources? I believe so. Given this, I assume the purpose of the warning that a 1-pixel image has been downloaded is to let the user know that the message whose embedded images were downloaded contains obvious trackers? That’s my understanding. Yet, the message may very likely be from a "good" source but sent using a commercial mail distribution service which adds its own trackers. I agree. It would be more helpful if the warning would add the source of each just-downloaded 1-pixel image to the "Strictly Blocked" list. Sort of a "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me" thing. Yes, that would be nice. Benny has expressed vague interest in allowing users to manage the image block/allow patterns through the UI, but I don’t think it’s a priority currently. In the mean time, take a look at the advanced preference `MmAllowedImageURLRegexp`. I’ve been using this for years to unblock benign remote images, so that I hardly ever feel the need to click the “Download” button. I have a script that maintains it for me (but I have to add the patterns manually). Here’s the script: ```perl #!/usr/bin/env perl use Modern::Perl; use autodie ':all'; my @pats = ( 'cid:', 'https://([A-Za-z0-9-]+\.)?s3[A-Za-z0-9-]*\.amazonaws\.com/', 'https://assets\.wildbit\.com/', 'https://www\.google\.com/s2/favicons\?', 'https://(images|links|www)\.mint\.com/', #'https://github\.com/', # disabled because of /notifications/beacon/ 'https://assets\.sk-static\.com/', 'https://www\.zillow\.com/', 'https://(www|photos)\.zillowstatic\.com/', 'https://pumcgit\.prefutil\.local/', 'https://(?:[A-Za-z0-9-]+\.)?googleusercontent\.com/', 'https://gallery\.mailchimp\.com/', 'https://cdn-images\.mailchimp\.com/', 'https://www\.ups\.com/', 'https://connect\.gardnermuseum\.org/', 'https://media\.zipcar\.com/', 'https://maps\.googleapis\.com/', 'https://images\.craigslist\.org/', 'https://home\.sophos\.com/', 'https://media\.mlspin\.com/', 'https://www\.cvs\.com/', 'https://(?:[A-Za-z0-9-]+\.)?patreon\.com/', 'https://(?:[A-Za-z0-9-]+\.)?patreonusercontent\.com/', 'https://amherstcinema\.org/', 'https://files\.constantcontact\.com/9c1b9ffb601/', # Amherst Cinema 'https://(cms|img)\.chewy\.com/', 'https://chirp\.media\.chewy\.cloud/', 'https://proxy\.harvestfiles\.com/', 'https://samhathaway\.harvestapp\.com/', 'https://www\.gardencinemas\.net/', 'https://img\.cnmhstng\.com/', 'https://d1a2o89e23clzw\.cloudfront\.net/emails/', # XConfessions 'https://cdn\.harrys\.com/', 'https://cdn\.shopify\.com/', 'https://cdn\.substack\.com/', 'https://mcusercontent\.com/', 'https://hilltownnetworks\.sonar\.software/', 'https://f\.e\.walgreens\.com/i/', 'https://mi\.walgreens\.com/p/', 'https://www\.walgreens\.com/images/', 'https://(?:[A-Za-z0-9-]+\.)?bcbits\.com/', 'https://bandcamp\.com/', 'https://www\.garnethill\.com/', 'https://(?:[A-Za-z0-9-]+\.)?scene7\.com/', 'https://static\.cdn\.responsys\.net/i2/responsysimages/quicken/', 'https://endeavorexperiences\.com/', 'https://image\.email\.bofi\.com/', 'https://services\.google\.com/fh/files/emails/', 'https://fonts\.gstatic\.com/s/i/googlematerialicons/', 'https://materials\.proxyvote\.com/Approved/IMAGES/', 'https://(?:[A-Za-z0-9-]+\.)?walmartimages\.com/', 'https://(?:[A-Za-z0-9-]+\.)?mjt.lu/', 'https://billpay\.schwab\.com/', 'https://cdn\.platinumcloud\.io/', 'https://d3k81ch9hvuctc\.cloudfront\.net/', # Simplehuman 'https://media\.wordfly\.com/isabellastewartgardnermuseum/', 'https://www\.etsy\.com/images/email/', 'https://img\d*\.etsystatic\.com/', 'https://i\.etsystatic\.com/', 'https://cascade\.madmimi\.com/', # Gonzalez and Associates 'https://d1lggihq2bt4jo\.cloudfront\.net/', # Gonzalez and Associates 'https://www\.dreamwidth\.org/img/', 'https://github\.githubassets\.com/', 'https://www\.fastmail\.com/images/emailtemplates/', 'https://www\.chase\.com/content/dam/chaseonline/en/alerts/images/', 'https://static1\.squarespace\.com/static/', 'https://image\.e-mail\.amtrak\.com/', 'https://images\.ctfassets\.net/', 'https://d15k2d11r6t6rl\.cloudfront\.net/', # Plex 'https://media\.sailthru\.com/', 'http://image\.sfmc\.petfinder\.com/', 'https://image\.email\.ticketmaster\.com/', 'https://t\.vitacost\.com/images/', 'https://static\.airtable\.com/', 'https://live\.staticflickr\.com/', 'https://combo\.staticflickr\.com/', 'https://bbeditbeta\.slack\.com/', 'https://secure\.gravatar\.com/avatar/', 'https://[A-Za-z0-9-]+\.slack-edge\.com/', 'https://static\.xx\.fbcdn.net/',
Re: [MlMt] Download Images still downloads 1 pixel ones
Henry, I’m not sure why all this talk about previewing attachments. As Randall said, his question has nothing to do with attachments. Instead, it’s about tags in HTML emails. And as Randy said, the reason why MailMate can’t “strictly block” 1-pixel images is that, in many cases, _MailMate has no way to know the size of the image until it fetches it from the remote server._ For example, here’s an tag from spam message I recently received (re-wrapped for clarity, and domain changed to avoid being tagged as spam): ``` http://www.not-the-original-dom.ain/cljo8bq86/Cw4ear2u 2QPT6WIi5q6Mr2gNDEIIpk_24HKoK0Q7ulY/fSlEIVCxnTqw7304Z8k5-7DeoB8B TUDm4NmMX28zpyXKVfWsVIjfNzFFKOiXLw399vfpzvuSHfoXwZGLWvq6TfyuQPAJ OvdL7LOQ_tKLpSvPVXO1xJtHDimWEa5bpThzzWOgItSd6XMoWJdv7yKnLtzwcx3m -zrp7icAZ_1CAcg”> ``` Can you tell that this is a 1-pixel image? Neither can MailMate. Hope this helps, -sam On 9 May 2022, at 10:00, Henry Seiden wrote: Randall, This seems like a good one for a feature request. SFAIK, this condition has been the case (the one pixel image)for awhile in the downloads list layout for the attachments window section. It is ultra compact. Try this to view an attachment from Mailmate to open a window in another app fairly quickly, as a workaround: * Open an attachment in an email by selecting it, with CTL held down. * Select the option in the drop down window, “Open with Preview (default)” or choose any other app there you’d like (e.g., Word or Pages for a document). There is probably a setting to directly select Preview, the default but I don’t know it. * You can close or save from there. * I tried this and the full-size version of the attachment seems to open in Preview for me. To be honest, it hasn’t proven that much of a barrier for me, however. But we’re just kicking it around in this group. Thanks for the detail. Benny usually monitors this group so he can get some idea of interest and make comments. Other apps (Mail, Outlook) provide a means to view attachments in a larger form as part of the message view (still in reduced format than a page view), but still readable. The layout used doesn’t do this. So do you think a new layout with that functionality is the answer? Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 7 May 2022, at 22:05, Randall Gellens wrote: On 7 May 2022, at 7:53, Henry Seiden wrote: Hello Randall, I use the download feature all the time to get single images (not Download All) and get the full item in my Downloads folder where it was set. Thinking that was the default, but not sure). Further thoughts: 1. Could it be that your download isn’t being directed/specified to the proper place? Maybe not since the 1px file link is there. 2. Does a restart of the app or the machine make a difference MM Preferences>Default Downloads Folder>select/specify the folder location (name/location), including a sub-folder. Note that in the Menu page there is a checkbox to “Insert file link when removing an attachment.” That may have something to do with what you see. Mine is checked by default. Have a go at those settings. My version is r5895, but I think those settings are the same in the release version. Hi Henry, I'm not trying to download attachments (I access attachments via their icon). I'm talking about the "Download All" and "Download" buttons that appear when a message contains embedded images. Some messages contain many embedded images and it isn't possible to know which ones I want to see. I appreciate that MailMate categorizes embedded images as either "blocked" or "strictly blocked," but I was hoping that 1-pixel images (which are obviously trackers/beacons) were categorized as "strictly blocked" and that "Download" (versus "Download All") wouldn't download them. --Randall ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Crashing on printing with r5876 and r5881
Robert, For what it’s worth, on r5875 pressing the option key _after_ I’ve pulled down the MailMate menu changes the text of the “Check for Update” item to “Check for Test Build”. (And, interestingly, changes the text of “Quit MailMate” to “Quit and Close All Windows”.) Cheers, -sam On 6 Apr 2022, at 10:16, Robert Goldman wrote: Thank you, Harry. I was confused because I thought you meant hold down the option key when choosing from the menu, rather than when activating the menu. Yes, that works fine. Best, R On 6 Apr 2022, at 9:14, Henry Seiden wrote: Robert, For Test Builds hold down OPT Keyboard button when selecting the menu item, MailMate. R5882 is the latest Test Build I show. What version are you on? Perhaps it’s so old that these features weren’t incorporated yet?? Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 4 Apr 2022, at 12:39, Robert Goldman wrote: I'm confused: when I click on the MailMate menu there is no "Check for Update" or "Check for Test Build" option:  Looks like I should be checking on the "Software Update" tab of MailMate preferences. But I'm surprised that my UI is different from yours. The Option click on the "Check Now" button on that pane works to get me 5882, but the button text does *not* update when I hold the option down: it still shows "Check Now." On 4 Apr 2022, at 4:47, Marc ARC wrote: Alex, MailMate menu > [Option] (turns in to Test Build>) Or you can download on the test releases on ( allows you also to revert to an earlier version in case of a major issue) : https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/ The Test release notes can be found on: https://updates.mailmate-app.com/test_release_notes Regards, Marc On 4 Apr 2022, at 10:00, Alex Steiner via mailmate wrote: Where do I get the newest beta? The auto-updater within the app won’t update beyond 5876. On 4 Apr 2022, at 9:26, Marc ARC wrote: Raza, Unless you have good reasons to stick with r5876, I would recommend you to move to the latest beta release r5882 On my system it works as fine. Regards, Marc On 28 Mar 2022, at 11:42, Raza Rizvi wrote: Hi, As the subject says, printing via the top right print icon causes an immediate crash - though the print job is queued to the spooler and does print. It is more of an irritation than a huge problem as (other than the one occasion prior to my deployment of r5876 where Mailmate would only half start) you just reopen Mailmate. The bit from the crash log display that might be of use is: Exception Type:EXC_BREAKPOINT (SIGTRAP) Exception Codes: 0x0002, 0x Exception Note:EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY Termination Signal:Trace/BPT trap: 5 Termination Reason:Namespace SIGNAL, Code 0x5 Terminating Process: exc handler [3457] Raza ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate r5874 Issue with accounts [Yahoo Server fails to stay online when laptop moves to a new internet connection]
On 7 Mar 2022, at 10:03, Henry Seiden wrote: > What makes you think that I haven’t done that? Case#2999. I guess I don’t see why you’d do both. -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Mailmate r5874 Issue with accounts [Yahoo Server fails to stay online when laptop moves to a new internet connection]
On 7 Mar 2022, at 8:04, Henry Seiden wrote: > Just letting you know of continuing issue with Accounts staying on line, in > particular Yahoo! Coming back with an A1 connection error. I found that do > duplicate the issue regularly in this [and so on] Henry, Would you consider using the “Send Feedback…” command in MailMate’s Help menu to report problems, rather than the mailing list? Cheers, -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] override built-in keybindings
Same as in any Mac app: https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/create-keyboard-shortcuts-for-apps-mchlp2271/12.0/mac/12.0 Cheers, -sam On 4 Mar 2022, at 8:52, Zvi Biener wrote: > Hi All, > Does anyone know how to override/change/delete keybinding associated with > built-in functions, like those in the Edit->Find dropdown menu? > Thanks. > Zvi > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Separate sets of smart folders for each account
All my smart folders are account-specific, so I want to locate them “next to” the other (not-so-smart) folders in my accounts. Hope this helps, -sam On 14 Feb 2022, at 14:33, Henry Seiden wrote: So, what advantages do smart mailboxes inside of the source folder offer you, again? Respectfully, Henry Seiden On 14 Feb 2022, at 14:28, Sam Birch wrote: On 10 Feb 2022, at 23:12, Bill Cole wrote: On 2022-02-10 at 17:20:19 UTC-0500 (Thu, 10 Feb 2022 17:20:19 -0500) Sam Birch is rumored to have said: I also thought of putting smart mailboxes _inside_ each of my “sources” rather than in the “mailboxes” section, but the first time I tried that I got a crash, so for now I’m not. Yeah, that would never work. So, that’s what I thought too, but it actually does work, as long as I never click the “Include messages in any submailboxes of this mailbox” checkbox in the Mailboxes tab of the mailbox settings dialog of a smart folder that lives in a source. As far as I can tell, these smart mailboxes aren’t synched to the IMAP server at all, which is fine with me. Cheers, -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Separate sets of smart folders for each account
On 10 Feb 2022, at 23:12, Bill Cole wrote: > On 2022-02-10 at 17:20:19 UTC-0500 (Thu, 10 Feb 2022 17:20:19 -0500) > Sam Birch > is rumored to have said: > >> I also thought of putting smart mailboxes _inside_ each of my “sources” >> rather than in the “mailboxes” section, but the first time I tried that I >> got a crash, so for now I’m not. > > Yeah, that would never work. So, that’s what I thought too, but it actually does work, as long as I never click the “Include messages in any submailboxes of this mailbox” checkbox in the Mailboxes tab of the mailbox settings dialog of a smart folder that lives in a source. As far as I can tell, these smart mailboxes aren’t synched to the IMAP server at all, which is fine with me. Cheers, -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Separate sets of smart folders for each account
Hi all, I use MailMate with one email account for home and another email account for work. I never really want to “mix” the two, but MailMate seems to be set up to combine all accounts. Yes, I can create submailboxes of my smart folders for each account, but what I’d really like is for the top level to be accounts and then have my various smart folders under that. Before I construct parallel sets of smart folders manually, I thought I’d ask: does anyone else use MailMate like this, and if so, what do you do? I also thought of putting smart mailboxes _inside_ each of my “sources” rather than in the “mailboxes” section, but the first time I tried that I got a crash, so for now I’m not. Thanks for any experience you folks can provide. Cheers, -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Not working: "Include messages in any submailboxes of this mailbox" (MM r5865 on macOS 12.1)
Thanks, that makes sense. Cheers, -sam On 1 Feb 2022, at 14:19, Seamus Phillips wrote: > I think that checkbox relates to nested smart mailboxes? You need to add all > the sub imap mailboxes to the mailbox tab… or use All Messages and then use a > condition to filter on imap path. > > -- > Seamus Phillips > seamus.phill...@gmail.com > >> On 1 Feb 2022, at 13:58, Sam Birch wrote: >> >> I’d like to have a smart mailbox that includes messages from all subfolders >> of a particular IMAP folder. So I’ve selected that IMAP folder in the >> “Mailboxes” tab. Since that folder contains no messages itself (only >> subfolders) the smart mailbox is initially empty. >> >> The problem is that checking the “Include messages in any submailboxes of >> this mailbox” checkbox has no effect — the smart mailbox remains empty. >> Furthermore, the checkbox clears itself if I switch to another tab or close >> the mailbox editor. >> >> This looks like a bug, but maybe I just don’t understand how it’s supposed >> to work. Any ideas? >> >> Cheers, >> -sam >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Not working: "Include messages in any submailboxes of this mailbox" (MM r5865 on macOS 12.1)
I’d like to have a smart mailbox that includes messages from all subfolders of a particular IMAP folder. So I’ve selected that IMAP folder in the “Mailboxes” tab. Since that folder contains no messages itself (only subfolders) the smart mailbox is initially empty. The problem is that checking the “Include messages in any submailboxes of this mailbox” checkbox has no effect — the smart mailbox remains empty. Furthermore, the checkbox clears itself if I switch to another tab or close the mailbox editor. This looks like a bug, but maybe I just don’t understand how it’s supposed to work. Any ideas? Cheers, -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Test build - release notes update
On Saturday Benny posted r5844, with a comprehensive summary of all changes since r5673. It’s a good read if you’ve been sticking to the release builds and are wondering what you’re missing. It’s also hopefully an indication that the next stable release is getting closer. I’d still suggest that folks stick to the recommended Big Sur build rather than using random test builds, but of course YMMV. Here are the release notes: https://updates.mailmate-app.com/test_release_notes Cheers, -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Benny updated the test build changelog
Looks like all the recent test builds are detailed in the test build release notes now: https://updates.mailmate-app.com/test_release_notes Hope this is of interest. -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Beta Downloads (was: Thanks for r5826 — Composer fix)
I’ve been monitoring MailMateBigSur.tbz and installing it whenever it changes. (I had some bad experiences using newer builds.) Cheers, -sam On 25 Sep 2021, at 17:54, Topher wrote: I apologize if the questions on this topic seem endless. Nevertheless... That archive index includes: - MailMate_r5819.tbz2021-07-01 12:03 - MailMate_r5818.tbz2021-06-29 09:41 - MailMateBigSur.tbz2021-06-29 09:41 - MailMate_r5817.tbz2021-06-28 07:50 - MailMate_r5816.tbz2021-06-21 04:55 The sequence suggests that the recommended version for those of us running macOS Big Sur is 5818, whereas I’m still running 5757 (which was the recommended Big Sur version at some point). This may be a question for Benny (though I am certainly interested in other, learned opinions), but should Big Sur users like me check this version archive periodically and update to whatever version is labeled MailMateBigSur.tbz? While I like to stay more-or-less current, I don’t care about having the very latest version, and 5757 is working just fine for now. Thank you, /topher - - - - - On 2021-09-24 at 14:25, Bob Stern wrote: This URL sorts by date: https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/?C=M;O=D Bob On 23 Sep 2021, at 10:18, m...@rhp.tw wrote: https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/ It's not sorted by date so be careful you don't accidentally download. an old version ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] latest versions
On 17 Sep 2021, at 8:17, Stephan Bösebeck wrote: > so, I am curious: we have Standard builds r5678, Beta Builds (same?!) and > this secret squirrell-builds, right? Just to get it right... As far as I can tell, Benny doesn’t use the beta release channel much these days. The latest beta release is r5673 — same as the latest normal release. Realistically the only way to go for Big Sur users is to use r5757 or later. IMO once you find a test build that works for you, you should stick with it unless it starts to misbehave. Otherwise you risk upgrading to something that breaks a feature you use (e.g. the Cmd-F window-resize regression around r5820). Benny does seem to be updating the version of MailMate in the MailMateBigSur.tbz download. As of this writing, it’s r5818. When it was first posted, it was r5757. I’m not sure if Benny intends MailMateBigSur.tbz to contain the latest test build, or if he’s selecting only certain builds that are perhaps more stable than the very latest test build. IIUC, Benny assures us that once he’s done with the big message view rewrite there will be a normal release that works on Big Sur and things will settle down somewhat. Hope this helps, -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Best way to keep MailMate up-to-date
On 6 Sep 2021, at 14:43, Sam Birch wrote: > On 6 Sep 2021, at 4:30, leo wrote: > >> Makes sense, but how do get notified of a new beta version? > > Monitor this URL with the change notification tool of your choice: > https://updates.mailmate-app.com/beta_release_notes > > If you want to know about test releases, monitor this URL instead: > https://updates.mailmate-app.com/test_release_notes Sorry, scratch that. Those docs are extremely out-of-date. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Best way to keep MailMate up-to-date
On 6 Sep 2021, at 4:30, leo wrote: > Makes sense, but how do get notified of a new beta version? Monitor this URL with the change notification tool of your choice: https://updates.mailmate-app.com/beta_release_notes If you want to know about test releases, monitor this URL instead: https://updates.mailmate-app.com/test_release_notes Cheers, -sam ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
