Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-16 Thread Erik Mueller-Harder 
Indeed, right after I pressed “send” it occurred to me that I 
hadn’t actually seen any posts from you in a while.  I’d been 
following you on Twitter, but I left that dumpster fire last spring.  
I’m on Mastodon, too 
([@erikmh@hcommons.social](https://hcommons.social/@erikmh)), so I’ll 
look for you.


Not sure why I’d thought you were in Quebec — I’m sorry for the 
error.  I love Nova Scotia — my wife and I honeymooned there and in 
Newfoundland back in 1993, and we’re itching to return.  Life keeps 
intervening.


Good luck with getting *Betalogue* back up and running.  If you’re 
looking for an intuitive lightweight but extremely functional CMS, I 
heartily recommend [ProcessWire](https://processwire.com/).  I’ve been 
building web sites since 1993, and I’ve never found a tool I liked 
more


Thanks again for the KM script.  We’re probably trying the patience of 
those trying to follow this thread, so if there’s anything else 
off-topic we should probably PM.


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Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-16 Thread Pierre Igot 
I am actually in southwest Nova Scotia, so a bit farther away, although at the 
scale of North America as a whole, we are indeed “neighbours”. We haven’t had 
any flooding here, but I am sorry to hear about the devastation in your area. 
With global warming accelerating, I am afraid we are in for very turbulent 
times indeed.

My poor Betalogue site has been neglected for years. With the slo-mo collapse 
of Twitter, I’ve moved my tech observations to Mastodon 
(@betalogue@toot.community), but I still hope to go back to real blogging some 
day, which will first involve revamping my old (very dated) web site. Life, 
work and all that have meant that I haven’t had much time for this in recent 
years.

GUI scripting is indeed a rather frustrating process, but I find that Keyboard 
Maestro is an excellent alternative in many situations. I have tons of macros 
designed to “fix” the UI flaws and deficiencies of many apps. Even MailMate, 
which is mostly an excellent and well-behaved Mac app, can use some KM-assisted 
lubrification at times.

Glad I could help.

Pierre



On 15 Jul 2023, at 17:07, Erik Mueller-Harder wrote:

> Hello, Pierre --
>
> I appreciate your Betalogue: I've read it vis RSS for years!  And we're 
> neighbors: I'm about 50km south of Quebec in Vermont.  I hope you survived 
> the recent flooding unscathed.
>
> [Though our house and property were largely spared, our town and the 
> surrounding towns and small cities were devastated.  Though the state has 
> qualified for federal disaster relief and though FEMA funds will begin 
> trickling in before too long, neither of these helps the small businesses, 
> which were just beginning to recover from COVID lockdowns and from flooding 
> about ten years ago; they're the lifeblood of these small towns, and they're 
> in a Very Bad Way. ]
>
> Thank you *so much* for your KM macro.  I use Keyboard Maestro all the time, 
> but I've avoided GUI scripting for so long that I'd almost forgotten you 
> could do this sort of thing!  I will very happily tailor your script for my 
> MM forgetful-column needs.  Hooray!
>
> -- Erik
>
> --
> **2023-07-15 14:26 | [Pierre Igot](mailto:mailm...@latext.com)**:
>> Hi,
>>
>> For what it’s worth, I too find it annoying that MailMate cannot properly 
>> remember my columns — in my case, my column widths for the combined Inbox in 
>> widescreen layout — and I do hope that Benny eventually finds a way to fix 
>> this, but in the meantime, I have a Keyboard Maestro macro command that 
>> readjusts my column widths after relaunch (i.e. when they are forgotten most 
>> of the time, although strangely, not 100% of the time).
>>
>> The macro works for MY preferred column layout in the message list, within 
>> the widescreen layout for the mail viewer window. It makes the Source 
>> Account column narrower and the Subject column wider (which pushes all 
>> remaining columns farther to the right). That’s basically all that’s needed 
>> in my case. Obviously, depending on which columns you have and what you 
>> prefer, your steps and values will vary.
>>
>> The macro also assumes that my width for the message pane on the right 
>> remains the same, which in my experience it does when quitting and 
>> relaunching MM. (The X values need to be adjusted if the width of the 
>> message pane on the right changes.) As a first step, the macro makes sure 
>> that the whole window has my preferred size (2885 x 1560), but I find that 
>> this too tends not to be forgotten by MM, so that step is not really 
>> necessary.
>>
>> I’m sharing this just in case it’s useful (with adaptations) for anyone 
>> else… It’s better than nothing, like I said, in the meantime.
>>
>> Keyboard Maestro is a great tool to “fix” software when the software maker 
>> is unwilling or unable to do so, for whatever reason. KM obviously cannot 
>> help for everything, but in this case it doesn’t do a bad job of automating 
>> something that is tedious and challenging to have to do right manually every 
>> time.
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>> MACRO:
>> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/yt1ypwwtlewuulbsqzix2/macro.jpg?rlkey=jfd3zrljdag0xzn1eq6253eho=0
>>
>> Adjust Inbox Columns
>>
>> Triggered by any of the following:
>>
>> The Status Menu is selected
>>
>> Will execute the following actions:
>>
>> If All Conditions Met
>> Front window title contains “Inbox”
>>
>> Execute the Following Actions:
>>
>> Resize Front Window to Pixels
>> In MailMate
>> To: 2885 horizontally, 1560 vertically.
>>
>> Move and Click and Drag
>> At (1684,500) from the top left corner of the front window.
>> And drag absolute (WINDOW(0,Right)-1305,815).
>>
>> Move and Click and Drag
>> At (1362,85) from the top left corner of the front window.
>> And drag relative (-150,0).
>>
>> Move and Click and Drag
>> At (913,85) from the top left corner of the front window.
>> And drag relative (300,0).
>>
>>
>> Otherwise, Execute the Following Actions:
>>
>> Display Text Briefly
>> Bring main window to front
>>
>>

Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-15 Thread Erik Mueller-Harder 
Hello, Pierre --

I appreciate your Betalogue: I've read it vis RSS for years!  And we're 
neighbors: I'm about 50km south of Quebec in Vermont.  I hope you survived the 
recent flooding unscathed.

[Though our house and property were largely spared, our town and the 
surrounding towns and small cities were devastated.  Though the state has 
qualified for federal disaster relief and though FEMA funds will begin 
trickling in before too long, neither of these helps the small businesses, 
which were just beginning to recover from COVID lockdowns and from flooding 
about ten years ago; they're the lifeblood of these small towns, and they're in 
a Very Bad Way. ]

Thank you *so much* for your KM macro.  I use Keyboard Maestro all the time, 
but I've avoided GUI scripting for so long that I'd almost forgotten you could 
do this sort of thing!  I will very happily tailor your script for my MM 
forgetful-column needs.  Hooray!

-- Erik

--
**2023-07-15 14:26 | [Pierre Igot](mailto:mailm...@latext.com)**:
> Hi,
> 
> For what it’s worth, I too find it annoying that MailMate cannot properly 
> remember my columns — in my case, my column widths for the combined Inbox in 
> widescreen layout — and I do hope that Benny eventually finds a way to fix 
> this, but in the meantime, I have a Keyboard Maestro macro command that 
> readjusts my column widths after relaunch (i.e. when they are forgotten most 
> of the time, although strangely, not 100% of the time).
> 
> The macro works for MY preferred column layout in the message list, within 
> the widescreen layout for the mail viewer window. It makes the Source Account 
> column narrower and the Subject column wider (which pushes all remaining 
> columns farther to the right). That’s basically all that’s needed in my case. 
> Obviously, depending on which columns you have and what you prefer, your 
> steps and values will vary.
> 
> The macro also assumes that my width for the message pane on the right 
> remains the same, which in my experience it does when quitting and 
> relaunching MM. (The X values need to be adjusted if the width of the message 
> pane on the right changes.) As a first step, the macro makes sure that the 
> whole window has my preferred size (2885 x 1560), but I find that this too 
> tends not to be forgotten by MM, so that step is not really necessary.
> 
> I’m sharing this just in case it’s useful (with adaptations) for anyone else… 
> It’s better than nothing, like I said, in the meantime.
> 
> Keyboard Maestro is a great tool to “fix” software when the software maker is 
> unwilling or unable to do so, for whatever reason. KM obviously cannot help 
> for everything, but in this case it doesn’t do a bad job of automating 
> something that is tedious and challenging to have to do right manually every 
> time.
> 
> Pierre
> 
> MACRO:
> https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/yt1ypwwtlewuulbsqzix2/macro.jpg?rlkey=jfd3zrljdag0xzn1eq6253eho=0
> 
> Adjust Inbox Columns
> 
> Triggered by any of the following:
> 
> The Status Menu is selected
> 
> Will execute the following actions:
> 
> If All Conditions Met
> Front window title contains “Inbox”
> 
> Execute the Following Actions:
> 
> Resize Front Window to Pixels
> In MailMate
> To: 2885 horizontally, 1560 vertically.
> 
> Move and Click and Drag
> At (1684,500) from the top left corner of the front window.
> And drag absolute (WINDOW(0,Right)-1305,815).
> 
> Move and Click and Drag
> At (1362,85) from the top left corner of the front window.
> And drag relative (-150,0).
> 
> Move and Click and Drag
> At (913,85) from the top left corner of the front window.
> And drag relative (300,0).
> 
> 
> Otherwise, Execute the Following Actions:
> 
> Display Text Briefly
> Bring main window to front
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 15 Jul 2023, at 4:24, Alexandre Takacs wrote:
> 
> > One can wish… One of my major per peeve for the past 3 years or so :/
> >
> >> Somehow, I’d hoped that the massive rewrite would’ve solved the Forgetful 
> >> Columns problem, but I guess not.
> 
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Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-15 Thread Pierre Igot 
Hi,

For what it’s worth, I too find it annoying that MailMate cannot properly 
remember my columns — in my case, my column widths for the combined Inbox in 
widescreen layout — and I do hope that Benny eventually finds a way to fix 
this, but in the meantime, I have a Keyboard Maestro macro command that 
readjusts my column widths after relaunch (i.e. when they are forgotten most of 
the time, although strangely, not 100% of the time).

The macro works for MY preferred column layout in the message list, within the 
widescreen layout for the mail viewer window. It makes the Source Account 
column narrower and the Subject column wider (which pushes all remaining 
columns farther to the right). That’s basically all that’s needed in my case. 
Obviously, depending on which columns you have and what you prefer, your steps 
and values will vary.

The macro also assumes that my width for the message pane on the right remains 
the same, which in my experience it does when quitting and relaunching MM. (The 
X values need to be adjusted if the width of the message pane on the right 
changes.) As a first step, the macro makes sure that the whole window has my 
preferred size (2885 x 1560), but I find that this too tends not to be 
forgotten by MM, so that step is not really necessary.

I’m sharing this just in case it’s useful (with adaptations) for anyone else… 
It’s better than nothing, like I said, in the meantime.

Keyboard Maestro is a great tool to “fix” software when the software maker is 
unwilling or unable to do so, for whatever reason. KM obviously cannot help for 
everything, but in this case it doesn’t do a bad job of automating something 
that is tedious and challenging to have to do right manually every time.

Pierre

MACRO:
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/yt1ypwwtlewuulbsqzix2/macro.jpg?rlkey=jfd3zrljdag0xzn1eq6253eho=0

Adjust Inbox Columns

Triggered by any of the following:

The Status Menu is selected

Will execute the following actions:

If All Conditions Met
Front window title contains “Inbox”

Execute the Following Actions:

Resize Front Window to Pixels
In MailMate
To: 2885 horizontally, 1560 vertically.

Move and Click and Drag
At (1684,500) from the top left corner of the front window.
And drag absolute (WINDOW(0,Right)-1305,815).

Move and Click and Drag
At (1362,85) from the top left corner of the front window.
And drag relative (-150,0).

Move and Click and Drag
At (913,85) from the top left corner of the front window.
And drag relative (300,0).


Otherwise, Execute the Following Actions:

Display Text Briefly
Bring main window to front





On 15 Jul 2023, at 4:24, Alexandre Takacs wrote:

> One can wish… One of my major per peeve for the past 3 years or so :/
>
>> Somehow, I’d hoped that the massive rewrite would’ve solved the Forgetful 
>> Columns problem, but I guess not.

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Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-15 Thread Alexandre Takacs 

One can wish… One of my major per peeve for the past 3 years or so :/

Somehow, I’d hoped that the massive rewrite would’ve solved the 
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Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-14 Thread Michael Nietzold 
Same after setting the columns quit MailMate so that all settings written to the config files. And also backup the config files. Von meinem iDingens gesendet...Am 14.07.2023 um 18:01 schrieb Steve Mayer via mailmate :




Maybe the MailMate .plist files could be saved off (into source control??) after you’ve got it working so that recovery for these types of situations is shorter?
Steve Mayer

smaye...@me.com
On 14 Jul 2023, at 9:39, Erik Mueller-Harder wrote:



I love the “Standard Single Column” for the correspondence pane. Very nice!

So I took r5970 for a spin.  Thrilled by the new Standard Single Column, as I said, especially for the correspondence pane.  And perhaps I’m imagining things, but it seems like navigation is a smidge faster, too.

I spent a bunch of time tweaking my layout for the Correspondence view and saved the new column arrangement as default.  I then went to have a cup of coffee.

When I came back, r5970 had crashed (Benny, logs were automatically sent a few minutes ago).

When I relaunched,

I was no longer in Correspondence view; MM had reverted to Three Panes.
All of my column adjustments were lost (see “Forgetful Columns”).

When I re-entered Correspondence, I discovered:

The Correspondence pane had also reverted its settings.

Somehow, I’d hoped that the massive rewrite would’ve solved the Forgetful Columns problem, but I guess not.

Honestly, I miss using MailMate as my day-to-day email client — but I can’t afford to spend ten or fifteen minutes every two or three days to retrain it to work the way I want.  (Yes, it does usually take that long:  MM sets itself to a set of columns that is wrong in almost every way — including the infernal “Outline Column,” which resets to “From,” which means I can’t delete the “From” column until after I’ve changed the “Outline Column” to something else.  I like to use a “Correspondents” column, but that makes “From” redundant.)

---

Icing on the cake:  we’ve had bad flooding here in Vermont earlier this week, and the internet was very flakey.  Over and over again, my wife, my child, and I all had to remember to keep telling MailMate to “Take Fastmail Online” and “Take iCloud Online” and “Take Gmail Online.”  Please, can’t the default be that MailMate will just poll every minute or two and automatically bring it back online?  Pretty please?


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Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-14 Thread Steve Mayer via mailmate 
Maybe the MailMate .plist files could be saved off (into source 
control??) after you’ve got it working so that recovery for these 
types of situations is shorter?


Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com

On 14 Jul 2023, at 9:39, Erik Mueller-Harder wrote:

I love the “Standard Single Column” for the correspondence pane. 
Very nice!


So I took r5970 for a spin.  Thrilled by the new *Standard Single 
Column*, as I said, especially for the correspondence pane.  And 
perhaps I’m imagining things, but it seems like navigation is a 
smidge faster, too.


I spent a bunch of time tweaking my layout for the *Correspondence* 
view and saved the new column arrangement as default.  I then went to 
have a cup of coffee.


When I came back, r5970 had crashed (Benny, logs were automatically 
sent a few minutes ago).


When I relaunched,
 • I was no longer in *Correspondence* view; MM had reverted to 
*Three Panes*.
 • All of my column adjustments were lost (see “Forgetful Columns 
 
”).

When I re-entered *Correspondence*, I discovered:
 • The *Correspondence* pane had also reverted its settings.
Somehow, I’d hoped that the massive rewrite would’ve solved the 
Forgetful Columns problem, but I guess not.


Honestly, I miss using MailMate as my day-to-day email client — but 
I can’t afford to spend ten or fifteen minutes every two or three 
days to retrain it to work the way I want.  (Yes, it does usually take 
that long:  MM sets itself to a set of columns that is wrong in almost 
every way — including the infernal “Outline Column,” which 
resets to “From,” which means I can’t delete the “From” 
column until after I’ve changed the “Outline Column” to 
something else.  I like to use a “Correspondents” column, but that 
makes “From” redundant.)


---

Icing on the cake:  we’ve had bad flooding here in Vermont 
 earlier this week, and the 
internet was very flakey.  Over and over again, my wife, my child, and 
I all had to remember to keep telling MailMate to “Take Fastmail 
Online” and “Take iCloud Online” and “Take Gmail Online.”  
*Please*, can’t the default be that MailMate will just poll every 
minute or two and *automatically* bring it back online?  Pretty 
please?



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Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-14 Thread Erik Mueller-Harder 

I love the “Standard Single Column” for the correspondence pane. Very nice!

So I took r5970 for a spin.  Thrilled by the new *Standard Single Column*, as I 
said, especially for the correspondence pane.  And perhaps I’m imagining 
things, but it seems like navigation is a smidge faster, too.

I spent a bunch of time tweaking my layout for the *Correspondence* view and 
saved the new column arrangement as default.  I then went to have a cup of 
coffee.

When I came back, r5970 had crashed (Benny, logs were automatically sent a few 
minutes ago).

When I relaunched,
 • I was no longer in *Correspondence* view; MM had reverted to *Three Panes*.
 • All of my column adjustments were lost (see “Forgetful Columns 
”).
When I re-entered *Correspondence*, I discovered:
 • The *Correspondence* pane had also reverted its settings.
Somehow, I’d hoped that the massive rewrite would’ve solved the Forgetful 
Columns problem, but I guess not.

Honestly, I miss using MailMate as my day-to-day email client — but I can’t 
afford to spend ten or fifteen minutes every two or three days to retrain it to 
work the way I want.  (Yes, it does usually take that long:  MM sets itself to 
a set of columns that is wrong in almost every way — including the infernal 
“Outline Column,” which resets to “From,” which means I can’t delete the “From” 
column until after I’ve changed the “Outline Column” to something else.  I like 
to use a “Correspondents” column, but that makes “From” redundant.)

---

Icing on the cake:  we’ve had bad flooding here in Vermont 
 earlier this week, and the internet 
was very flakey.  Over and over again, my wife, my child, and I all had to 
remember to keep telling MailMate to “Take Fastmail Online” and “Take iCloud 
Online” and “Take Gmail Online.”  *Please*, can’t the default be that MailMate 
will just poll every minute or two and *automatically* bring it back online?  
Pretty please?
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Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-14 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen 
On 13 Jul 2023, at 20:26, Bill Cole wrote:

> I've tried each of the not-even-test-versions 5965-5970 currently visible in 
> the  'archives' directory and all crash on launch on Big Sur.

Just for the record, I believe this particular issue will be fixed in the next 
update.

But I have crash reports from another user which are unrelated to the above.

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Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-13 Thread Henry Seiden 

Bill,

I just tried to upgrade from 5965-5970 and it works fine on MacOS 
Ventura 13.4.1(c).



Respectfully,

Henry Seiden
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On 13 Jul 2023, at 14:26, Bill Cole wrote:


On 2023-07-12 at 20:23:55 UTC-0400 (Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:23:55 +1000)
Simon Kaplan 
is rumored to have said:


Hi Mailmate friends

Unusually for me I didn’t jump right on the 5965 release when Benny 
put it out, but now I see we’re up to 5969 and I’m getting itchy 
fingers.  What’s your view - is 5969 stable enough to jump to?


Nope.

I've tried each of the not-even-test-versions 5965-5970 currently 
visible in the  'archives' directory and all crash on launch on Big 
Sur.





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Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-13 Thread Bill Cole 

On 2023-07-12 at 20:23:55 UTC-0400 (Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:23:55 +1000)
Simon Kaplan 
is rumored to have said:


Hi Mailmate friends

Unusually for me I didn’t jump right on the 5965 release when Benny 
put it out, but now I see we’re up to 5969 and I’m getting itchy 
fingers.  What’s your view - is 5969 stable enough to jump to?


Nope.

I've tried each of the not-even-test-versions 5965-5970 currently 
visible in the  'archives' directory and all crash on launch on Big Sur.





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Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-13 Thread Henry Seiden 

Hi Benny,

Great explanation. Testing it now. Also, in r5970 the window 
(Menu>Window>Show Activity Viewer) is very helpful in checking for 
issues with the IMAP Servers.


However, in my case with the new app installed, within Compose, the 
shortcut (⌥ + ⌘) is grayed out while the functionality of the window 
to open by selection, still works.


FYI… Wondering if you are aware of this.

Respectfully,

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On 13 Jul 2023, at 9:50, Steve Mayer via mailmate wrote:


Thanks Benny. I’ve downloaded 5970 and will give it a whirl.

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com

On 13 Jul 2023, at 3:23, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 13 Jul 2023, at 3:44, Personal wrote:

I don’t know…. Benny did say that he was disconnecting 5465 from 
5464 so we couldn’t auto-update because 5465 was 
super-experimental.  So I guess I’m asking whether it’s now 
stable enough that we should manually ‘jump’ ….


Well, I got some crash reports for r5969 -- all of them the same 
issue. It's not one I can reproduce, but I believe it is fixed in 
r5970. Going back, the r5965 release included a major rewrite of the 
message list and a (somewhat more limited) rewrite was done for the 
mailbox list in r5969. More importantly, r5969+ includes a fix for a 
long standing issue in test releases which some users experienced 
relatively frequently.


I welcome users to try out 
[MailMate_r5970.tbz](http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5970.tbz) 
and if there are no major issues then I'll make it a test release.


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Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-13 Thread Steve Mayer via mailmate 

Thanks Benny. I’ve downloaded 5970 and will give it a whirl.

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com

On 13 Jul 2023, at 3:23, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 13 Jul 2023, at 3:44, Personal wrote:

I don’t know…. Benny did say that he was disconnecting 5465 from 
5464 so we couldn’t auto-update because 5465 was 
super-experimental.  So I guess I’m asking whether it’s now 
stable enough that we should manually ‘jump’ ….


Well, I got some crash reports for r5969 -- all of them the same 
issue. It's not one I can reproduce, but I believe it is fixed in 
r5970. Going back, the r5965 release included a major rewrite of the 
message list and a (somewhat more limited) rewrite was done for the 
mailbox list in r5969. More importantly, r5969+ includes a fix for a 
long standing issue in test releases which some users experienced 
relatively frequently.


I welcome users to try out 
[MailMate_r5970.tbz](http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5970.tbz) 
and if there are no major issues then I'll make it a test release.


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Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-13 Thread Steve Mayer via mailmate 

Thanks Simon!

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com

On 13 Jul 2023, at 0:20, Personal wrote:


Hi Steve

Apologies for the delay – all builds are downloadable from here:

https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/

including the new ones.

Cheers
Simon
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From: Steve Mayer 
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2023 at 12:17
To: MailMate Users 
Cc: Personal 
Subject: Re: [MlMt] 5969?

Sorry, 5969 build…

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com

On 12 Jul 2023, at 20:16, Steve Mayer via mailmate wrote:

Where can I grab the 5469 build from?

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com

On 12 Jul 2023, at 20:11, Steve Mayer wrote:

Gotcha. Hopefully Benny can tell us or maybe I’ll just risk it. Can 
always go back… :D


Thanks!

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com

On 12 Jul 2023, at 19:44, Personal wrote:
I don’t know…. Benny did say that he was disconnecting 5465 from 
5464 so we couldn’t auto-update because 5465 was super-experimental. 
 So I guess I’m asking whether it’s now stable enough that we 
should manually ‘jump’ …. Otherwise we’ll be waiting for the 
next official beta which could be months away.  The last time he did 
this I think we had to manually jump (at least, I did!)


Cheers
Simon
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From: mailmate  on behalf of Steve 
Mayer via mailmate 

Date: Thursday, 13 July 2023 at 10:35
To: MailMate Users 
Cc: Steve Mayer 
Subject: Re: [MlMt] 5969?

I’m still on 5964 using the ‘check for test builds’. I would 
have assumed that the 5965 beta would be tested and rolled back into 
the next test release. Am I wrong?


Thanks,

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com<mailto:smaye...@me.com>

On 12 Jul 2023, at 18:23, Simon Kaplan wrote:

Hi Mailmate friends

Unusually for me I didn’t jump right on the 5965 release when Benny 
put it out, but now I see we’re up to 5969 and I’m getting itchy 
fingers. What’s your view - is 5969 stable enough to jump to?


Thanks for your advice,

cheers
Simon

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Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-13 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen 

On 13 Jul 2023, at 3:44, Personal wrote:

I don’t know…. Benny did say that he was disconnecting 5465 from 
5464 so we couldn’t auto-update because 5465 was super-experimental. 
 So I guess I’m asking whether it’s now stable enough that we 
should manually ‘jump’ ….


Well, I got some crash reports for r5969 -- all of them the same issue. 
It's not one I can reproduce, but I believe it is fixed in r5970. Going 
back, the r5965 release included a major rewrite of the message list and 
a (somewhat more limited) rewrite was done for the mailbox list in 
r5969. More importantly, r5969+ includes a fix for a long standing issue 
in test releases which some users experienced relatively frequently.


I welcome users to try out 
[MailMate_r5970.tbz](http://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/MailMate_r5970.tbz) 
and if there are no major issues then I'll make it a test release.


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Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-13 Thread Personal 
Hi Steve

Apologies for the delay – all builds are downloadable from here:

https://updates.mailmate-app.com/archives/

including the new ones.

Cheers
Simon
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+61 411 511 122

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that counts.” (Winston Churchill)



From: Steve Mayer 
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2023 at 12:17
To: MailMate Users 
Cc: Personal 
Subject: Re: [MlMt] 5969?

Sorry, 5969 build…

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com

On 12 Jul 2023, at 20:16, Steve Mayer via mailmate wrote:

Where can I grab the 5469 build from?

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com

On 12 Jul 2023, at 20:11, Steve Mayer wrote:

Gotcha. Hopefully Benny can tell us or maybe I’ll just risk it. Can always go 
back… :D

Thanks!

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com

On 12 Jul 2023, at 19:44, Personal wrote:
I don’t know…. Benny did say that he was disconnecting 5465 from 5464 so we 
couldn’t auto-update because 5465 was super-experimental.  So I guess I’m 
asking whether it’s now stable enough that we should manually ‘jump’ …. 
Otherwise we’ll be waiting for the next official beta which could be months 
away.  The last time he did this I think we had to manually jump (at least, I 
did!)

Cheers
Simon
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+61 411 511 122

“Success is not final.  Failure is not fatal.  It is the courage to continue 
that counts.” (Winston Churchill)



From: mailmate  on behalf of Steve Mayer via 
mailmate 
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2023 at 10:35
To: MailMate Users 
Cc: Steve Mayer 
Subject: Re: [MlMt] 5969?

I’m still on 5964 using the ‘check for test builds’. I would have assumed that 
the 5965 beta would be tested and rolled back into the next test release. Am I 
wrong?

Thanks,

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com<mailto:smaye...@me.com>

On 12 Jul 2023, at 18:23, Simon Kaplan wrote:

Hi Mailmate friends

Unusually for me I didn’t jump right on the 5965 release when Benny put it out, 
but now I see we’re up to 5969 and I’m getting itchy fingers. What’s your view 
- is 5969 stable enough to jump to?

Thanks for your advice,

cheers
Simon

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Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-12 Thread Steve Mayer via mailmate 

Sorry, 5969 build…

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com

On 12 Jul 2023, at 20:16, Steve Mayer via mailmate wrote:


Where can I grab the 5469 build from?

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com

On 12 Jul 2023, at 20:11, Steve Mayer wrote:

Gotcha. Hopefully Benny can tell us or maybe I’ll just risk it.  
Can always go back… :D


Thanks!

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com

On 12 Jul 2023, at 19:44, Personal wrote:

I don’t know…. Benny did say that he was disconnecting 5465 from 
5464 so we couldn’t auto-update because 5465 was 
super-experimental.  So I guess I’m asking whether it’s now 
stable enough that we should manually ‘jump’ …. Otherwise 
we’ll be waiting for the next official beta which could be months 
away.  The last time he did this I think we had to manually jump (at 
least, I did!)


Cheers
Simon
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+61 411 511 122

“Success is not final.  Failure is not fatal.  It is the courage 
to continue that counts.” (Winston Churchill)




From: mailmate  on behalf of 
Steve Mayer via mailmate 

Date: Thursday, 13 July 2023 at 10:35
To: MailMate Users 
Cc: Steve Mayer 
Subject: Re: [MlMt] 5969?

I’m still on 5964 using the ‘check for test builds’. I would 
have assumed that the 5965 beta would be tested and rolled back into 
the next test release. Am I wrong?


Thanks,

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com<mailto:smaye...@me.com>

On 12 Jul 2023, at 18:23, Simon Kaplan wrote:

Hi Mailmate friends

Unusually for me I didn’t jump right on the 5965 release when 
Benny put it out, but now I see we’re up to 5969 and I’m getting 
itchy fingers. What’s your view - is 5969 stable enough to jump 
to?


Thanks for your advice,

cheers
Simon

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Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-12 Thread Steve Mayer via mailmate 

Where can I grab the 5469 build from?

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com

On 12 Jul 2023, at 20:11, Steve Mayer wrote:

Gotcha. Hopefully Benny can tell us or maybe I’ll just risk it.  Can 
always go back… :D


Thanks!

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com

On 12 Jul 2023, at 19:44, Personal wrote:

I don’t know…. Benny did say that he was disconnecting 5465 from 
5464 so we couldn’t auto-update because 5465 was 
super-experimental.  So I guess I’m asking whether it’s now 
stable enough that we should manually ‘jump’ …. Otherwise 
we’ll be waiting for the next official beta which could be months 
away.  The last time he did this I think we had to manually jump (at 
least, I did!)


Cheers
Simon
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+61 411 511 122

“Success is not final.  Failure is not fatal.  It is the courage to 
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From: mailmate  on behalf of Steve 
Mayer via mailmate 

Date: Thursday, 13 July 2023 at 10:35
To: MailMate Users 
Cc: Steve Mayer 
Subject: Re: [MlMt] 5969?

I’m still on 5964 using the ‘check for test builds’. I would 
have assumed that the 5965 beta would be tested and rolled back into 
the next test release. Am I wrong?


Thanks,

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com<mailto:smaye...@me.com>

On 12 Jul 2023, at 18:23, Simon Kaplan wrote:

Hi Mailmate friends

Unusually for me I didn’t jump right on the 5965 release when Benny 
put it out, but now I see we’re up to 5969 and I’m getting itchy 
fingers. What’s your view - is 5969 stable enough to jump to?


Thanks for your advice,

cheers
Simon

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Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-12 Thread Steve Mayer via mailmate 
Gotcha. Hopefully Benny can tell us or maybe I’ll just risk it.  Can 
always go back… :D


Thanks!

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com

On 12 Jul 2023, at 19:44, Personal wrote:

I don’t know…. Benny did say that he was disconnecting 5465 from 
5464 so we couldn’t auto-update because 5465 was super-experimental. 
 So I guess I’m asking whether it’s now stable enough that we 
should manually ‘jump’ …. Otherwise we’ll be waiting for the 
next official beta which could be months away.  The last time he did 
this I think we had to manually jump (at least, I did!)


Cheers
Simon
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+61 411 511 122

“Success is not final.  Failure is not fatal.  It is the courage to 
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From: mailmate  on behalf of Steve 
Mayer via mailmate 

Date: Thursday, 13 July 2023 at 10:35
To: MailMate Users 
Cc: Steve Mayer 
Subject: Re: [MlMt] 5969?

I’m still on 5964 using the ‘check for test builds’. I would 
have assumed that the 5965 beta would be tested and rolled back into 
the next test release. Am I wrong?


Thanks,

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com<mailto:smaye...@me.com>

On 12 Jul 2023, at 18:23, Simon Kaplan wrote:

Hi Mailmate friends

Unusually for me I didn’t jump right on the 5965 release when Benny 
put it out, but now I see we’re up to 5969 and I’m getting itchy 
fingers. What’s your view - is 5969 stable enough to jump to?


Thanks for your advice,

cheers
Simon

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Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-12 Thread Personal 
I don’t know…. Benny did say that he was disconnecting 5465 from 5464 so we 
couldn’t auto-update because 5465 was super-experimental.  So I guess I’m 
asking whether it’s now stable enough that we should manually ‘jump’ …. 
Otherwise we’ll be waiting for the next official beta which could be months 
away.  The last time he did this I think we had to manually jump (at least, I 
did!)

Cheers
Simon
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+61 411 511 122

“Success is not final.  Failure is not fatal.  It is the courage to continue 
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From: mailmate  on behalf of Steve Mayer via 
mailmate 
Date: Thursday, 13 July 2023 at 10:35
To: MailMate Users 
Cc: Steve Mayer 
Subject: Re: [MlMt] 5969?

I’m still on 5964 using the ‘check for test builds’. I would have assumed that 
the 5965 beta would be tested and rolled back into the next test release. Am I 
wrong?

Thanks,

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com<mailto:smaye...@me.com>

On 12 Jul 2023, at 18:23, Simon Kaplan wrote:

Hi Mailmate friends

Unusually for me I didn’t jump right on the 5965 release when Benny put it out, 
but now I see we’re up to 5969 and I’m getting itchy fingers. What’s your view 
- is 5969 stable enough to jump to?

Thanks for your advice,

cheers
Simon

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Re: [MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-12 Thread Steve Mayer via mailmate 
I’m still on 5964 using the ‘check for test builds’. I would have 
assumed that the 5965 beta would be tested and rolled back into the next 
test release.  Am I wrong?


Thanks,

Steve Mayer
smaye...@me.com

On 12 Jul 2023, at 18:23, Simon Kaplan wrote:


Hi Mailmate friends

Unusually for me I didn’t jump right on the 5965 release when Benny 
put it out, but now I see we’re up to 5969 and I’m getting itchy 
fingers.  What’s your view - is 5969 stable enough to jump to?


Thanks for your advice,

cheers
Simon
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[MlMt] 5969?

2023-07-12 Thread Personal 

Hi Mailmate friends

Unusually for me I didn’t jump right on the 5965 release when Benny 
put it out, but now I see we’re up to 5969 and I’m getting itchy 
fingers.  What’s your view - is 5969 stable enough to jump to?


Thanks for your advice,

cheers
Simon
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