Re: [MlMt] Finer control of blacklist
On 23 Oct 2022, at 14:03, Henry Seiden wrote: Mike, To your point MacOS has a similar idea in their settings but only for their iCloud accounts. It’s operating at the system level in MacOS, in “Hide My Email” settings. It establishes an alternate address (redirecting to that alternate address) for specific senders to specific iCloud email accounts. Fastmail has with "Masked Email" a similar feature. 1Password has support for this feature. I don't know if other SW is supporting it. BTW, I consider spam any incoming email I specifically did not request or agree to receive. This is an unusual definition of spam. With this attidude, you will probably have not much success. It es difficould enough to detect "real" spam. How should it work with "perseived" spam? :) At Fastmail one can give an folder a ham-or-spam-hint to tell the spam filter in which category their contant is. The spam filter looks dayly through all folders to train itself. This works really good. I have no Idea, if this will work with your attidude. Maybe I will then tend to be hypersensitive. But maybe it will do what you want. That broad definition, encompassing things like accounts that don’t process unsubscribe, is far too broad to qualify in Fastmail, I suspect. I don't understand this. :) -- Best Regards Mike ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Finer control of blacklist
Mike, To your point MacOS has a similar idea in their settings but only for their iCloud accounts. It’s operating at the system level in MacOS, in “Hide My Email” settings. It establishes an alternate address (redirecting to that alternate address) for specific senders to specific iCloud email accounts. Since it doesn’t directly involve an app it should work automatically as well in MailMate. It may also work stand alone in iOS. BTW, I consider spam any incoming email I specifically did not request or agree to receive. That broad definition, encompassing things like accounts that don’t process unsubscribe, is far too broad to qualify in Fastmail, I suspect. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 23 Oct 2022, at 3:31, Mike Brasch wrote: At Fastmail I have set up an "Identity". When I send an message (new or as an reply) via one of my secondary adresses, Fastmail will send them to the other providers SMTP and from here it will go to the receiver. For the other one, it looks like a conversion with your secondary accound. In the mail header one can see the indirection. Filtering and Spam-Filtering (with strongest settings) is completely done by Fastmail. I have absolutely no problems with spam. It works perfectly for me.___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Finer control of blacklist
On 21 Oct 2022, at 1:45, Henry Seiden wrote: I’m (un)lucky enough to have to filter many forms of junk mail including traditional spam, among several accounts. Four out of eight accounts have much more spam and much more activity, so I think that the more active with good (non spam mail) an account/source us the more junk you’ll get. If it is an option, maybe this is an option: I have some (lower traffic) mail addresses at different providers (I want to phase them out). Each of them will be directly redirected to my main (Fastmail) account. I also completley switched off all filters and spam filtering. At Fastmail I have set up an "Identity". When I send an message (new or as an reply) via one of my secondary adresses, Fastmail will send them to the other providers SMTP and from here it will go to the receiver. For the other one, it looks like a conversion with your secondary accound. In the mail header one can see the indirection. Filtering and Spam-Filtering (with strongest settings) is completely done by Fastmail. I have absolutely no problems with spam. It works perfectly for me. I don't know which providers also have the "identity" feature. Gmail has it. -- Best Regards Mike ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Finer control of blacklist
Randall Gellens wrote (at 9:21 AM on Friday, October 21, 2022): > Mac Eudora had several features that made rule maintenance much easier. Two > in particular: first, looking at a rule showed when it was last triggered; > the list of rules showed a tiny dinosaur next to a rule that hadn't fired in > a long time, making it easy to update or delete rules that no longer worked. > Second, selecting one or more messages and opening the rules window > highlighted the rules that the selected messages matched. That made it much > easier to debug rules. Three more features that were very helpful: a "starts > with" test in the rule syntax, a "near" test (for words that were near each > other), and the ability to use a regular expression as a test. All of these would be extraordinarily useful additions to MailMate's functionality! ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Finer control of blacklist
On 20 Oct 2022, at 16:45, Henry Seiden wrote: A one-off rule for spam filtering seems doomed to fail getting all possible combinations, eventually. Obviously, such rules tend to be short-term to quiet whatever current surge is happening. That said, I find it very helpful, along with server-based rules to, e.g., block hosts that use IP addresses in their HELO/EHLO. Mac Eudora had several features that made rule maintenance much easier. Two in particular: first, looking at a rule showed when it was last triggered; the list of rules showed a tiny dinosaur next to a rule that hadn't fired in a long time, making it easy to update or delete rules that no longer worked. Second, selecting one or more messages and opening the rules window highlighted the rules that the selected messages matched. That made it much easier to debug rules. Three more features that were very helpful: a "starts with" test in the rule syntax, a "near" test (for words that were near each other), and the ability to use a regular expression as a test. I’m (un)lucky enough to have to filter many forms of junk mail including traditional spam, among several accounts. Four out of eight accounts have much more spam and much more activity, so I think that the more active with good (non spam mail) an account/source us the more junk you’ll get. All-in-all, I filter all my incoming email with SpamSieve which does a great job overall. I happen to use a separate email drone set up outside of my MailMate app to do it and have been doing so for years. But good luck to you. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 20 Oct 2022, at 19:02, Randall Gellens wrote: On 18 Oct 2022, at 16:23, Malcolm Fitzgerald wrote: I receive mail from a person that I always want to block. They always use the name "Steve Wroblewski" but they use a different email address each time. The options for blocking seem to be "User Name " or "". Is it possible for me to block this person using their name? Or should I set up a rule for this? I simply want email from them to be permanently deleted. I have a rule exactly like this in my "Spam (obvious) rule": [From -> Name] [is] [xxx] In my case, the spam has a consistent name and part of the subject, with different from and to addresses, and modifications of the subject, so my rule is a compound rule: [All} of the following are true [From -> Name] [is] [Mel Gonzales] [Subject] [Contains] [Electronic Waste Collection] -Randall ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate --Randall ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Finer control of blacklist
A one-off rule for spam filtering seems doomed to fail getting all possible combinations, eventually. I’m (un)lucky enough to have to filter many forms of junk mail including traditional spam, among several accounts. Four out of eight accounts have much more spam and much more activity, so I think that the more active with good (non spam mail) an account/source us the more junk you’ll get. All-in-all, I filter all my incoming email with SpamSieve which does a great job overall. I happen to use a separate email drone set up outside of my MailMate app to do it and have been doing so for years. But good luck to you. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 20 Oct 2022, at 19:02, Randall Gellens wrote: On 18 Oct 2022, at 16:23, Malcolm Fitzgerald wrote: I receive mail from a person that I always want to block. They always use the name "Steve Wroblewski" but they use a different email address each time. The options for blocking seem to be "User Name " or "". Is it possible for me to block this person using their name? Or should I set up a rule for this? I simply want email from them to be permanently deleted. I have a rule exactly like this in my "Spam (obvious) rule": [From -> Name] [is] [xxx] In my case, the spam has a consistent name and part of the subject, with different from and to addresses, and modifications of the subject, so my rule is a compound rule: [All} of the following are true [From -> Name] [is] [Mel Gonzales] [Subject] [Contains] [Electronic Waste Collection] --Randall ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Finer control of blacklist
On 18 Oct 2022, at 16:23, Malcolm Fitzgerald wrote: I receive mail from a person that I always want to block. They always use the name "Steve Wroblewski" but they use a different email address each time. The options for blocking seem to be "User Name " or "". Is it possible for me to block this person using their name? Or should I set up a rule for this? I simply want email from them to be permanently deleted. I have a rule exactly like this in my "Spam (obvious) rule": [From -> Name] [is] [xxx] In my case, the spam has a consistent name and part of the subject, with different from and to addresses, and modifications of the subject, so my rule is a compound rule: [All} of the following are true [From -> Name] [is] [Mel Gonzales] [Subject] [Contains] [Electronic Waste Collection] --Randall ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Finer control of blacklist
It sounds like a job for SpamSieve. Henry Sent from my iPad -- Henry Seiden W: http://techworkspro.com E: infotechworksprocom > On Oct 18, 2022, at 19:25, Malcolm Fitzgerald > wrote: > > I receive mail from a person that I always want to block. They always use > the name "Steve Wroblewski" but they use a different email address each time. > The options for blocking seem to be "User Name " or "". > > Is it possible for me to block this person using their name? Or should I set > up a rule for this? I simply want email from them to be permanently deleted. > > Malcolm > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Finer control of blacklist
I receive mail from a person that I always want to block. They always use the name "Steve Wroblewski" but they use a different email address each time. The options for blocking seem to be "User Name " or "". Is it possible for me to block this person using their name? Or should I set up a rule for this? I simply want email from them to be permanently deleted. Malcolm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
