Re: [MlMt] MailMate update denied
On 19 May 2022, at 23:31, Tracy Valleau wrote: I’ve no idea where MailMate downloads its internal update to. Mailmate downlosds a complete new copy of the application. It does not have an "internal update". The copy it downloads is trying to replace the running copy. It goes where ever your current copy of MailMate lives. It's failing because the current location is not seen as being writable, or the copy of MM itself cannot be altered. Command sragging to the desktop and then command dragging into the /Applications should repair those possible problems. Don't over think this. Tracy It does have an ‘internal update’. MailMate deciding to update itself is what is triggering all this. To do that ‘internal update’ it must download a new copy somewhere. I don’t know where that is so I can’t manually move it into /Applications. My MailMate application is in /Applications. I only have one drive. I have no non-writable volumes. I did find a very old version elsewhere (V1.4) and I have removed that. The running one is 1.13.2 (5673) (from the ‘About MailMate’ menu item). I’ll try shifting the application around and see if the error occurs again. David On 19 May 2022, at 15:03, David Ledger wrote: On 5/19/22 20:59, Tracy Valleau wrote: 1. Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date. No idea. Perhaps there is an incremental update? 2. Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too old to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that this isn’t). I cannot answer "why" - I just know that dozens of times I've seen "can't update" errors to an existing app, which are solved by the technique I suggested. Sorry it didn't work for you. T I didn’t have a chance to try because it’s a MailMate initiated download so it didn’t go into Downloads. I’ve no idea where MailMate downloads its internal update to. David On 19 May 2022, at 12:49, David Ledger wrote: On 19 May 2022, at 20:33, Tracy Valleau wrote: Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your desktop. Release all keys. Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your Applications folder. That should fix it. Thanks, but this is an update that MailMate itself is trying to install, even though it knows it is up to date. It’s not a human initiated download. So 1. Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date. 2. Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too old to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that this isn’t). David On 19 May 2022, at 12:22, David Ledger wrote: I am currently up to date with “Normal Releases” according to the Software Update panel of Preferences, but whenever I start up MailMate (which is rare because I keep it and the laptop running) I get a popup saying: v v v v MailMate is running on a read-only file system and can therefore not be updated. If you downloaded MailMate from the internet then moving it out of the Downloads folder should solve the problem. ^ ^ ^ ^ The system is a Mid 2011 11” MacBook Air running High Sierra 10.13.6. The filesystem is APFS with the base drive having one container “Container disk1” that contains one Volume “Macintosh HD”. It has no read-only volumes. Has anyone else seen this? David ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate update denied
> I’ve no idea where MailMate downloads its internal update to. Mailmate downlosds a complete new copy of the application. It does not have an "internal update". The copy it downloads is trying to replace the running copy. It goes where ever your current copy of MailMate lives. It's failing because the current location is not seen as being writable, or the copy of MM itself cannot be altered. Command sragging to the desktop and then command dragging into the /Applications should repair those possible problems. Don't over think this. Tracy On 19 May 2022, at 15:03, David Ledger wrote: > On 5/19/22 20:59, Tracy Valleau wrote: >>> 1. Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date. >> >> No idea. Perhaps there is an incremental update? >> >>> 2. Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too >>> old to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that >>> this isn’t). >> I cannot answer "why" - I just know that dozens of times I've seen "can't >> update" errors to an existing app, which are solved by the technique I >> suggested. >> >> Sorry it didn't work for you. >> >> T > > > I didn’t have a chance to try because it’s a MailMate initiated download so > it didn’t go into Downloads. I’ve no idea where MailMate downloads its > internal update to. > > David > > >> >> On 19 May 2022, at 12:49, David Ledger wrote: >> >>> On 19 May 2022, at 20:33, Tracy Valleau wrote: >>> Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your desktop. Release all keys. Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your Applications folder. That should fix it. >>> >>> Thanks, but this is an update that MailMate itself is trying to install, >>> even though it knows it is up to date. It’s not a human initiated download. >>> So >>> 1. Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date. >>> 2. Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too >>> old to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that >>> this isn’t). >>> >>> David >>> >>> On 19 May 2022, at 12:22, David Ledger wrote: > I am currently up to date with “Normal Releases” according to the > Software Update panel of Preferences, but whenever I start up MailMate > (which is rare because I keep it and the laptop running) I get a popup > saying: > v v v v > MailMate is running on a read-only file system and can therefore not be > updated. > > If you downloaded MailMate from the internet then moving it out of the > Downloads folder should solve the problem. > ^ ^ ^ ^ > > The system is a Mid 2011 11” MacBook Air running High Sierra 10.13.6. The > filesystem is APFS with the base drive having one container “Container > disk1” that contains one Volume “Macintosh HD”. It has no read-only > volumes. > > Has anyone else seen this? > > David > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate update denied
OK - let's try this again. You MUST have a copy of MailMate -somewhere- because you said you "start it up." If you don't know where it is, then once it is running, you can go to the dock, and control-click on the MM icon and choose "options" and then "reveal in finder". Once you can see it in the finder, quit it if it is running. Now hold down the command key and drag it (MailMate) to your desktop. Release all keys. You shold see MM on your desktop. Again, Hold down the command key and drag that MailMate to your /Applications folder. Let go of the keys. Double-click on the MM you just dragged to the /Applications folder. That will run the MM app. Now go to the MailMate menu, in the upper left corner of your screen, and choose "Check for Update." Give this a try, even if you don't understand why it might work. It's easy enough to check and see if it solves your problem. Good Luck. On 19 May 2022, at 15:03, David Ledger wrote: > On 5/19/22 20:59, Tracy Valleau wrote: >>> 1. Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date. >> >> No idea. Perhaps there is an incremental update? >> >>> 2. Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too >>> old to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that >>> this isn’t). >> I cannot answer "why" - I just know that dozens of times I've seen "can't >> update" errors to an existing app, which are solved by the technique I >> suggested. >> >> Sorry it didn't work for you. >> >> T > > > I didn’t have a chance to try because it’s a MailMate initiated download so > it didn’t go into Downloads. I’ve no idea where MailMate downloads its > internal update to. > > David > > >> >> On 19 May 2022, at 12:49, David Ledger wrote: >> >>> On 19 May 2022, at 20:33, Tracy Valleau wrote: >>> Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your desktop. Release all keys. Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your Applications folder. That should fix it. >>> >>> Thanks, but this is an update that MailMate itself is trying to install, >>> even though it knows it is up to date. It’s not a human initiated download. >>> So >>> 1. Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date. >>> 2. Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too >>> old to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that >>> this isn’t). >>> >>> David >>> >>> On 19 May 2022, at 12:22, David Ledger wrote: > I am currently up to date with “Normal Releases” according to the > Software Update panel of Preferences, but whenever I start up MailMate > (which is rare because I keep it and the laptop running) I get a popup > saying: > v v v v > MailMate is running on a read-only file system and can therefore not be > updated. > > If you downloaded MailMate from the internet then moving it out of the > Downloads folder should solve the problem. > ^ ^ ^ ^ > > The system is a Mid 2011 11” MacBook Air running High Sierra 10.13.6. The > filesystem is APFS with the base drive having one container “Container > disk1” that contains one Volume “Macintosh HD”. It has no read-only > volumes. > > Has anyone else seen this? > > David > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate update denied
Hi David, where is your copy of MailMate installed? You aren't running it from a mounted disk image volume by any chance, are you? Whenever I see "read-only filesystem", I immediately think of a mounted disk image. -Eric On 19 May 2022, at 18:03, David Ledger wrote: > On 5/19/22 20:59, Tracy Valleau wrote: >>> 1. Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date. >> >> No idea. Perhaps there is an incremental update? >> >>> 2. Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too >>> old to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that >>> this isn’t). >> I cannot answer "why" - I just know that dozens of times I've seen "can't >> update" errors to an existing app, which are solved by the technique I >> suggested. >> >> Sorry it didn't work for you. >> >> T > > > I didn’t have a chance to try because it’s a MailMate initiated download so > it didn’t go into Downloads. I’ve no idea where MailMate downloads its > internal update to. > > David > > >> >> On 19 May 2022, at 12:49, David Ledger wrote: >> >>> On 19 May 2022, at 20:33, Tracy Valleau wrote: >>> Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your desktop. Release all keys. Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your Applications folder. That should fix it. >>> >>> Thanks, but this is an update that MailMate itself is trying to install, >>> even though it knows it is up to date. It’s not a human initiated download. >>> So >>> 1. Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date. >>> 2. Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too >>> old to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that >>> this isn’t). >>> >>> David >>> >>> On 19 May 2022, at 12:22, David Ledger wrote: > I am currently up to date with “Normal Releases” according to the > Software Update panel of Preferences, but whenever I start up MailMate > (which is rare because I keep it and the laptop running) I get a popup > saying: > v v v v > MailMate is running on a read-only file system and can therefore not be > updated. > > If you downloaded MailMate from the internet then moving it out of the > Downloads folder should solve the problem. > ^ ^ ^ ^ > > The system is a Mid 2011 11” MacBook Air running High Sierra 10.13.6. The > filesystem is APFS with the base drive having one container “Container > disk1” that contains one Volume “Macintosh HD”. It has no read-only > volumes. > > Has anyone else seen this? > > David > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate update denied
On 5/19/22 20:59, Tracy Valleau wrote: 1. Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date. No idea. Perhaps there is an incremental update? 2. Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too old to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that this isn’t). I cannot answer "why" - I just know that dozens of times I've seen "can't update" errors to an existing app, which are solved by the technique I suggested. Sorry it didn't work for you. T I didn’t have a chance to try because it’s a MailMate initiated download so it didn’t go into Downloads. I’ve no idea where MailMate downloads its internal update to. David On 19 May 2022, at 12:49, David Ledger wrote: On 19 May 2022, at 20:33, Tracy Valleau wrote: Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your desktop. Release all keys. Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your Applications folder. That should fix it. Thanks, but this is an update that MailMate itself is trying to install, even though it knows it is up to date. It’s not a human initiated download. So 1. Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date. 2. Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too old to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that this isn’t). David On 19 May 2022, at 12:22, David Ledger wrote: I am currently up to date with “Normal Releases” according to the Software Update panel of Preferences, but whenever I start up MailMate (which is rare because I keep it and the laptop running) I get a popup saying: v v v v MailMate is running on a read-only file system and can therefore not be updated. If you downloaded MailMate from the internet then moving it out of the Downloads folder should solve the problem. ^ ^ ^ ^ The system is a Mid 2011 11” MacBook Air running High Sierra 10.13.6. The filesystem is APFS with the base drive having one container “Container disk1” that contains one Volume “Macintosh HD”. It has no read-only volumes. Has anyone else seen this? David ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate update denied
When I click on the Upgrade button, it shows the notice captured in the attached screen save file, saying that my installed version is a release, that the latest proper version is 5673 but I have installed 5876. It offers an option to downgrade to 5673 which I once tried, but didn’t like, so I reinstalled 5876. That’s been more or less ok for quite a while now (except that MM still doesn’t sync my mail on Outlook or Hotmail). However, since a day or so ago, MailMate has stopped showing newly sent file in the Sent folder. They appear in the All Messages folder, but not in Sent. How can that be fixed? Thanks for help. Thomas On 19 May 2022, at 12:59, Tracy Valleau wrote: >> 1. Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date. > > No idea. Perhaps there is an incremental update? > >> 2. Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too >> old to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that >> this isn’t). > I cannot answer "why" - I just know that dozens of times I've seen "can't > update" errors to an existing app, which are solved by the technique I > suggested. > > Sorry it didn't work for you. > > T > > > > On 19 May 2022, at 12:49, David Ledger wrote: > >> On 19 May 2022, at 20:33, Tracy Valleau wrote: >> >>> Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your desktop. >>> Release all keys. >>> Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your Applications folder. >>> >>> That should fix it. >> >> Thanks, but this is an update that MailMate itself is trying to install, >> even though it knows it is up to date. It’s not a human initiated download. >> So >> 1. Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date. >> 2. Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too >> old to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that >> this isn’t). >> >> David >> >> >>> On 19 May 2022, at 12:22, David Ledger wrote: >>> I am currently up to date with “Normal Releases” according to the Software Update panel of Preferences, but whenever I start up MailMate (which is rare because I keep it and the laptop running) I get a popup saying: v v v v MailMate is running on a read-only file system and can therefore not be updated. If you downloaded MailMate from the internet then moving it out of the Downloads folder should solve the problem. ^ ^ ^ ^ The system is a Mid 2011 11” MacBook Air running High Sierra 10.13.6. The filesystem is APFS with the base drive having one container “Container disk1” that contains one Volume “Macintosh HD”. It has no read-only volumes. Has anyone else seen this? David ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate update denied
> 1. Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date. No idea. Perhaps there is an incremental update? > 2. Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too old > to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that this > isn’t). I cannot answer "why" - I just know that dozens of times I've seen "can't update" errors to an existing app, which are solved by the technique I suggested. Sorry it didn't work for you. T On 19 May 2022, at 12:49, David Ledger wrote: > On 19 May 2022, at 20:33, Tracy Valleau wrote: > >> Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your desktop. >> Release all keys. >> Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your Applications folder. >> >> That should fix it. > > Thanks, but this is an update that MailMate itself is trying to install, even > though it knows it is up to date. It’s not a human initiated download. So > 1. Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date. > 2. Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too old > to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that this > isn’t). > > David > > >> On 19 May 2022, at 12:22, David Ledger wrote: >> >>> I am currently up to date with “Normal Releases” according to the Software >>> Update panel of Preferences, but whenever I start up MailMate (which is >>> rare because I keep it and the laptop running) I get a popup saying: >>> v v v v >>> MailMate is running on a read-only file system and can therefore not be >>> updated. >>> >>> If you downloaded MailMate from the internet then moving it out of the >>> Downloads folder should solve the problem. >>> ^ ^ ^ ^ >>> >>> The system is a Mid 2011 11” MacBook Air running High Sierra 10.13.6. The >>> filesystem is APFS with the base drive having one container “Container >>> disk1” that contains one Volume “Macintosh HD”. It has no read-only volumes. >>> >>> Has anyone else seen this? >>> >>> David >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate update denied
On 19 May 2022, at 20:33, Tracy Valleau wrote: Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your desktop. Release all keys. Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your Applications folder. That should fix it. Thanks, but this is an update that MailMate itself is trying to install, even though it knows it is up to date. It’s not a human initiated download. So 1. Why is it think it has to update software that is already up to date. 2. Why does it think it is a read-only filesystem when the system is too old to have a read-only filesystem (other than on an external drive, that this isn’t). David On 19 May 2022, at 12:22, David Ledger wrote: I am currently up to date with “Normal Releases” according to the Software Update panel of Preferences, but whenever I start up MailMate (which is rare because I keep it and the laptop running) I get a popup saying: v v v v MailMate is running on a read-only file system and can therefore not be updated. If you downloaded MailMate from the internet then moving it out of the Downloads folder should solve the problem. ^ ^ ^ ^ The system is a Mid 2011 11” MacBook Air running High Sierra 10.13.6. The filesystem is APFS with the base drive having one container “Container disk1” that contains one Volume “Macintosh HD”. It has no read-only volumes. Has anyone else seen this? David ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] MailMate update denied
Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your desktop. Release all keys. Hold down the command key and drag MailMate to your Applications folder. That should fix it. On 19 May 2022, at 12:22, David Ledger wrote: > I am currently up to date with “Normal Releases” according to the Software > Update panel of Preferences, but whenever I start up MailMate (which is rare > because I keep it and the laptop running) I get a popup saying: > v v v v > MailMate is running on a read-only file system and can therefore not be > updated. > > If you downloaded MailMate from the internet then moving it out of the > Downloads folder should solve the problem. > ^ ^ ^ ^ > > The system is a Mid 2011 11” MacBook Air running High Sierra 10.13.6. The > filesystem is APFS with the base drive having one container “Container disk1” > that contains one Volume “Macintosh HD”. It has no read-only volumes. > > Has anyone else seen this? > > David > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] MailMate update denied
I am currently up to date with “Normal Releases” according to the Software Update panel of Preferences, but whenever I start up MailMate (which is rare because I keep it and the laptop running) I get a popup saying: v v v v MailMate is running on a read-only file system and can therefore not be updated. If you downloaded MailMate from the internet then moving it out of the Downloads folder should solve the problem. ^ ^ ^ ^ The system is a Mid 2011 11” MacBook Air running High Sierra 10.13.6. The filesystem is APFS with the base drive having one container “Container disk1” that contains one Volume “Macintosh HD”. It has no read-only volumes. Has anyone else seen this? David ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
