Re: [MlMt] Message received sound configuration [feature request]
OK, thanks for that hint, Bill. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 14 Sep 2022, at 10:40, Bill Cole wrote: On 2022-09-14 at 08:31:10 UTC-0400 (Wed, 14 Sep 2022 12:31:10 +) Henry Seiden is rumored to have said: Thought you might want to review it. If I find where to make custom sounds for this purpose, I’ll let you know. If you put an AIFF sound file in ~/Library/Sounds/ it will appear in the "User" subsection of the Sound pull-down menu in that pane. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Message received sound configuration [feature request]
On 2022-09-14 at 08:31:10 UTC-0400 (Wed, 14 Sep 2022 12:31:10 +) Henry Seiden is rumored to have said: > Sorry, though extremely versatile, very poor in instructions for many > non-intuitive parts. In this case, the labeling doesn’t indicate how the > added features can be fully utilized easily. In this case you probably have > to build up a custom syntax. The format string in that pane is only to customize what MM sends to the macOS Notification Manager to announce a new arrival. I've never seen any need to modify that. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Message received sound configuration [feature request]
On 2022-09-14 at 08:31:10 UTC-0400 (Wed, 14 Sep 2022 12:31:10 +) Henry Seiden is rumored to have said: > Thought you might want to review it. If I find where to make custom sounds > for this purpose, I’ll let you know. If you put an AIFF sound file in ~/Library/Sounds/ it will appear in the "User" subsection of the Sound pull-down menu in that pane. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Message received sound configuration [feature request]
On 14 Sep 2022, at 14:31, Henry Seiden wrote: > Currently digesting what that means and how to use it, if at all. It’s > frankly not a high priority and it may even be not worth further trouble. But > it is good to know about since the developers spent time on it. I think it's come up before, but speaking as a developer, it's often best letting users write the documentation and I think this would be best for MailMate. I'm not a huge fan of wikis but they might work. Otherwise, there are now some great toolchains for producing online documentation from plaintext files from VCS. I'm most familiar with Sphinx for Python documentation but Pandocs is another good alternative. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Sengelsweg 34 Düsseldorf D- 40489 Tel: +49-203-746000 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Message received sound configuration [feature request]
Randy, Probably if you have Mail previously configure, as in my case, you’ll need to turn off all sounds in Mail to prevent duplicate sounds. That is what happens on my machine - I got two sounds on incoming mail. Hopefully this will get rid of that effect. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 13 Sep 2022, at 23:37, RANDY ABBOTT wrote: MailMate's help for the Counter settings contains a good explanation: Note: The current interface in the preferences pane can be misleading. The 4 radio buttons to the left are not used to configure the position of a single counter. They are used to configure 4 separate counters. To configure the received sound, set one of the radio buttons like so: [cid:8d8ea472-ef7b-4e63-89e5-fa66d2e56dc1] ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Message received sound configuration [feature request]
Hey Bill, I have a problem not so much with what Benny did, but where the instructions are for how to use it. Sorry, though extremely versatile, very poor in instructions for many non-intuitive parts. In this case, the labeling doesn’t indicate how the added features can be fully utilized easily. In this case you probably have to build up a custom syntax. I’d call that a “gotcha.” My original goal was to use a custom sound to receive all mail and a different customer sound to send all mail (the “whoosh” would be fine, which is the same that Apple uses by the way). Alas, that is made quite complicated. In reality Mailmate uses 4 specific sound/notification settings incorporated into counters, just as stated. Picking the sounds is done through the OS, so they’re pre-made sounds. Searched out the instruction you describe… The Counters description with the caveat you mention appears on a page in the [on line manual and the Help menu](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/preferences.html#notifications): It’s further formatting options [has a defined syntax described here](https://manual.mailmate-app.com/format_string_syntax.html). Currently digesting what that means and how to use it, if at all. It’s frankly not a high priority and it may even be not worth further trouble. But it is good to know about since the developers spent time on it. Let’s say I’m not comfortable using it. Now that I know where to find the instructions in the first place. Thought you might want to review it. If I find where to make custom sounds for this purpose, I’ll let you know. It’s likely in the OS. Mailmate which utilizes what it is given by Apple for sounds, apparently. That’s quite a lot, actually. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 13 Sep 2022, at 23:03, Bill Cole wrote: On 2022-09-13 at 21:22:48 UTC-0400 (Wed, 14 Sep 2022 01:22:48 +) Henry Seiden is rumored to have said: Yes. Those show where the counter icon is to be located, and is labeled as such in the menu, SFAIK. Nothing to do with sound, right? No, not right. Each of the 4 radio buttons on the icon on the left side selects a distinct set of Counter settings on the right side. Each of the 4 Counters specifies a single mailbox, a selected type of message being counted, and the notification mechanisms, including what sound to play when the count changes. That Preferences pane has been confusing MM users for a decade. I understand why Benny did it that way, as it makes sense from a coding point of view. I don't have any brilliant ideas for a different way to present the functionality that isn't mystifying. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Message received sound configuration [feature request]
MailMate's help for the Counter settings contains a good explanation: Note: The current interface in the preferences pane can be misleading. The 4 radio buttons to the left are not used to configure the position of a single counter. They are used to configure 4 separate counters. To configure the received sound, set one of the radio buttons like so: [cid:8d8ea472-ef7b-4e63-89e5-fa66d2e56dc1] ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Message received sound configuration [feature request]
On 2022-09-13 at 21:22:48 UTC-0400 (Wed, 14 Sep 2022 01:22:48 +) Henry Seiden is rumored to have said: Yes. Those show where the counter icon is to be located, and is labeled as such in the menu, SFAIK. Nothing to do with sound, right? No, not right. Each of the 4 radio buttons on the icon on the left side selects a distinct set of Counter settings on the right side. Each of the 4 Counters specifies a single mailbox, a selected type of message being counted, and the notification mechanisms, including what sound to play when the count changes. That Preferences pane has been confusing MM users for a decade. I understand why Benny did it that way, as it makes sense from a coding point of view. I don't have any brilliant ideas for a different way to present the functionality that isn't mystifying. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Message received sound configuration [feature request]
I think what Sam is referring to is the Counters tab in MM's preferences, which allows you to specify the sound produced for the "Count:" dropdown in your chosen Mailbox. You can do that for each of the four badges you can configure for the MM icon in the dock (even if you decide not to actually display an icon badge for that count). In my case, I have a simple setup with one corner configured to count (and display) unread messages, so the sound I specify gets generated on all incoming mail. For outgoing mail, I configure the "Sent Messages Sound:" in the Composer tab of MM's prefs. Regards. -Eric On 13 Sep 2022, at 21:22, Henry Seiden wrote: Yes. Those show where the counter icon is to be located, and is labeled as such in the menu, SFAIK. Nothing to do with sound, right? Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 13 Sep 2022, at 21:13, Sam Birch wrote: On 13 Sep 2022, at 13:39, Henry Seiden wrote: Mystifying and wrong as to current status. Outgoing sound shown is wrong and doesn’t accurately follow what the current setting is… I’m afraid to mess with it. Did you notice the radio buttons around the MailMate icon on the left? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Message received sound configuration [feature request]
Yes. Those show where the counter icon is to be located, and is labeled as such in the menu, SFAIK. Nothing to do with sound, right? Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 13 Sep 2022, at 21:13, Sam Birch wrote: On 13 Sep 2022, at 13:39, Henry Seiden wrote: Mystifying and wrong as to current status. Outgoing sound shown is wrong and doesn’t accurately follow what the current setting is… I’m afraid to mess with it. Did you notice the radio buttons around the MailMate icon on the left? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Message received sound configuration [feature request]
On 13 Sep 2022, at 13:39, Henry Seiden wrote: > Mystifying and wrong as to current status. > > Outgoing sound shown is wrong and doesn’t accurately follow what the current > setting is… I’m afraid to mess with it. Did you notice the radio buttons around the MailMate icon on the left? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Message received sound configuration [feature request]
Bill, So, yeah. Thanks for that hint. Mystifying and wrong as to current status. Outgoing sound shown is wrong and doesn’t accurately follow what the current setting is… I’m afraid to mess with it. Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com On 13 Sep 2022, at 12:48, Bill Cole wrote: On 2022-09-13 at 12:06:23 UTC-0400 (Tue, 13 Sep 2022 16:06:23 +) Henry Seiden is rumored to have said: Hello All, Is there a setting for a custom message received sound configuration? It would be nice to have a way to configure sound when a message is received. Receipt and when sending (sent mail, whoosh effect) are the only two sounds it seems that MailMate responds with, so why not allow customization? Once again, the answer hides in the widely-mystifying "Counters" pane of MM Preferences. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Message received sound configuration [feature request]
On 2022-09-13 at 12:06:23 UTC-0400 (Tue, 13 Sep 2022 16:06:23 +) Henry Seiden is rumored to have said: Hello All, Is there a setting for a custom message received sound configuration? It would be nice to have a way to configure sound when a message is received. Receipt and when sending (sent mail, whoosh effect) are the only two sounds it seems that MailMate responds with, so why not allow customization? Once again, the answer hides in the widely-mystifying "Counters" pane of MM Preferences. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Message received sound configuration [feature request]
Hello All, Is there a setting for a custom message received sound configuration? It would be nice to have a way to configure sound when a message is received. Receipt and when sending (sent mail, whoosh effect) are the only two sounds it seems that MailMate responds with, so why not allow customization? Respectfully, Henry Seiden - - Techworks Pro Co. E: infotechworksprocom W: http://techworkspro.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
