Re: [MlMt] Mystery messages being created…

[Charlie Garrison]

On 8 Feb 2020, at 6:35, Sam Hathaway wrote:

The short version is that there’s no way to do push notifications 
for IMAP accounts on iOS without their server logging into your 
account and keeping an IDLE connection open.


Which is why I use iOS client which keeps an IDLE connection; it works 
"just fine" (or something similar with iOS background functionality). I 
didn't bother looking into details of it; I tried it; it worked; I used 
it.


Many iOS email clients do this. It’s the price you pay for having 
timely push notifications.


FYI, I found Edison and Preside both provide iOS notifications, and 
neither needs a central server with access to all my email. I have seen 
other email clients since advertise similar functionality. No need to 
give away access to all your email.


So yes, giving away access to all your email is one way to pay the 
price. It's not a price I'm willing to pay, so I paid the price of 
looking for alternatives with smart background handling.


-cng

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Re: [MlMt] Mystery messages being created…

[Pete Resnick]

On 7 Feb 2020, at 13:35, Sam Hathaway wrote:

Another perspective on Spark, for what it’s worth: 
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/adazxk/psa_there_is_nothing_special_about_spark_emails/


The short version is that there’s no way to do push notifications 
for IMAP accounts on iOS without their server logging into your 
account and keeping an IDLE connection open.


Many iOS email clients do this. It’s the price you pay for having 
timely push notifications.


Just my 2¢.
-sam


That might have been true 4 years ago when that post was written, but 
iOS has had background refresh for some time. It's no excuse anymore.


Storing passwords on servers is a security nightmare. Whoever wrote that 
article clearly has little security clue.


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Re: [MlMt] Mystery messages being created…

[Sam Hathaway]

On 6 Feb 2020, at 17:37, Charlie Garrison wrote:


On 7 Feb 2020, at 1:15, Bill Cole wrote:

Spark has horrible and disgusting business practices that they hide 
behind slick marketing. I think there needs to be a public 
announcement advising users against ever downloading Spark. [My 
comments are based on bad experience a couple of years ago; things may 
have changed since, but I doubt it.]


Another perspective on Spark, for what it’s worth: 
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/adazxk/psa_there_is_nothing_special_about_spark_emails/


The short version is that there’s no way to do push notifications for 
IMAP accounts on iOS without their server logging into your account and 
keeping an IDLE connection open.


Many iOS email clients do this. It’s the price you pay for having 
timely push notifications.


Just my 2¢.
-sam
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Re: [MlMt] Mystery messages being created…

[Jim Cook]

Charlie and Verdon
thanks very much for your very helpful thoughts re dodgy software 
companies and their sketchy privacy policies.
I guess we’re all guilty of clicking “I agree” too easily on 
occasion… Or maybe not…

Thanks again to Bill for the initial shout.
Regards
Jim

On 7 Feb 2020, at 12:05, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:

Thanks Bill, all is now explained.  I’m awaiting a helpful 
response from the Spark support team.
Carefully read their privacy policy, and then decide whether you are 
still happy having any of their software near any of your devices. 
You may not want to be dealing with their support either.


They are not doing anything illegal; since they clearly state they 
are going to take over your email accounts. I was far from happy 
allowing a dodgy company to take over my email accounts.


A university I worked at attempted to ban the use of this product and 
several similar ones, except you know, you can't tell some professors 
anything ;-)


Serious security and privacy implications!

V

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Re: [MlMt] Mystery messages being created…

[Verdon Vaillancourt]

>> Thanks Bill, all is now explained.  I’m awaiting a helpful response from the 
>> Spark support team. 
> Carefully read their privacy policy, and then decide whether you are still 
> happy having any of their software near any of your devices. You may not want 
> to be dealing with their support either.
> 
> They are not doing anything illegal; since they clearly state they are going 
> to take over your email accounts. I was far from happy allowing a dodgy 
> company to take over my email accounts.
> 
A university I worked at attempted to ban the use of this product and several 
similar ones, except you know, you can't tell some professors anything ;-) 

Serious security and privacy implications!

V

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Re: [MlMt] Mystery messages being created…

[Charlie Garrison]

On 7 Feb 2020, at 10:04, Jim Cook wrote:

Thanks Bill, all is now explained.  I’m awaiting a helpful response 
from the Spark support team. 


Carefully read their privacy policy, and then decide whether you are 
still happy having any of their software near any of your devices. You 
may not want to be dealing with their support either.


They are not doing anything illegal; since they clearly state they are 
going to take over your email accounts. I was far from happy allowing a 
dodgy company to take over my email accounts.


-cng

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Re: [MlMt] Mystery messages being created…

[Jim Cook]

 Is there a ghost in my machine?

No, but there's almost certainly a Spark in your iPhone. 

Thanks Bill, all is now explained.  I’m awaiting a helpful response from the 
Spark support team. 

Regards
Jim 

> On 6 Feb 2020, at 17:00, mailmate-requ...@lists.freron.com wrote:
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Re: [MlMt] Mystery messages being created…

[Charlie Garrison]

On 7 Feb 2020, at 1:15, Bill Cole wrote:

No, but there's almost certainly a Spark in your iPhone. See 
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/unexpected-message-created-in-draft-folder/7ffd85e5-87e3-4209-a36d-a657e415e301 
and look for "Maria from Readdle"


Spark has horrible and disgusting business practices that they hide 
behind slick marketing. I think there needs to be a public announcement 
advising users against ever downloading Spark. [My comments are based on 
bad experience a couple of years ago; things may have changed since, but 
I doubt it.]


-cng

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Re: [MlMt] Mystery messages being created…

[Bill Cole]

On 6 Feb 2020, at 7:30, Jim Cook wrote:


Hi
For a couple of months now I’ve been seeing mystery messages 
cropping up in various folders in Mailmate. They also appear in Apple 
Mail.


The messages have no sender, no recipient and no subject.

The body text says “Lorem. this is the body text”

[...]


Is there a ghost in my machine?


No, but there's almost certainly a Spark in your iPhone. See 
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/unexpected-message-created-in-draft-folder/7ffd85e5-87e3-4209-a36d-a657e415e301 
and look for "Maria from Readdle"




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[MlMt] Mystery messages being created…

[Jim Cook]

Hi
For a couple of months now I’ve been seeing mystery messages cropping 
up in various folders in Mailmate. They also appear in Apple Mail.


The messages have no sender, no recipient and no subject.

The body text says “Lorem. this is the body text”

Mailmate reports there to be an attachment called “test.txt" 
containing “this is the attachment text”


Mailmate says “no headers found” and the raw source is as follows:

```
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="boundary text"
MIME-Version: 1.0

--boundary text
Content-Type: text/plain

Lorem. this is the body text

--boundary text
Content-Type: text/plain;
Content-Disposition: attachment;
filename="test.txt"

this is the attachment text

--boundary text--
```

The messages are appearing in folders associated with Microsoft accounts 
(Office365 and an outlook.com account).


I have 10 messages today so far, in folders Inbox, Outbox (!?) and 
Drafts.


Yesterday 58 messages appeared between the hours of 16:09 and 19:09 GMT.

When I first noticed the messages I assumed security had been 
compromised and engaged in a wholesale change of passwords, but that 
changed nothing.


I’m running Mailmate 5676 on Mac OS 10.15.3.

Is there a ghost in my machine?

All help gratefully received,

Regards

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