Re: [MlMt] New version broke fonts?
On 4 Sep 2016, at 19:54, Bill Cole wrote: On 1 Sep 2016, at 23:27, David Shepherdson wrote: If you use 'Customize Toolbar…' and replace those combined buttons with the individual ones -- for example, separate 'Archive', 'Move to Junk' and 'Delete' buttons rather than the combined 'Actions' -- then you get the individual text labels underneath each icon button (provided you have set the toolbar to 'Icon and Text' mode). Then you get the mysterious little icon with unreadably small text underneath. Worst of both worlds... (Yes, I know: the ageist font choices are Apple's, not Benny's.) The worst culprit in my experience is App Store. I often _do_ want to read the details of updates but the light grey text defeats my best endeavours if I am tired. With the lengthier descriptions I sometimes take a screenshot and if I'm going to put bits into an email or newsgroup post I'll OCR that. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] New version broke fonts?
On 1 Sep 2016, at 23:27, David Shepherdson wrote: If you use 'Customize Toolbar…' and replace those combined buttons with the individual ones -- for example, separate 'Archive', 'Move to Junk' and 'Delete' buttons rather than the combined 'Actions' -- then you get the individual text labels underneath each icon button (provided you have set the toolbar to 'Icon and Text' mode). Then you get the mysterious little icon with unreadably small text underneath. Worst of both worlds... (Yes, I know: the ageist font choices are Apple's, not Benny's.) ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] New version broke fonts?
On 2 Sep 2016, at 05.05, Seebs wrote: I note also, on the main window, the toolbar no longer works in text-only. Instead of textual buttons for the three actions, you get the word "Actions". I actually really liked having buttons labeled "Archive" or "Move to Junk", because words are more reliable for me than images. There's a trick to getting the separate button labels while also keeping the icons: by default, the toolbar buttons are using 'combined' controls that include more than one button in the same entry -- and hence only one label. If you use 'Customize Toolbar…' and replace those combined buttons with the individual ones -- for example, separate 'Archive', 'Move to Junk' and 'Delete' buttons rather than the combined 'Actions' -- then you get the individual text labels underneath each icon button (provided you have set the toolbar to 'Icon and Text' mode). This seems like the best arrangement, to me anyway, because you get two cues as to what each button does, while (at least for me) still taking up less space than the old text-only buttons did (though obviously a bit more than the combined icon buttons). David ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] New version broke fonts?
On 1 Sep 2016, at 14:24, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 1 Sep 2016, at 21:20, Seebs wrote: So is there a straightforward way to indicate "please only send plain text, even if I do a thing which might otherwise suggest I'm thinking about HTML"? Not quite sure I understood the example, but you should configure MailMate to “Never embed” in the Composer preferences pane. You should also disable Markdown and not use the code highlighting or math features (all in the same preferences pane). I think that should result in MailMate never needing to generate HTML. If not, let me know. Okay, science time. On 1 Sep 2016, at 21:05, Seebs wrote: I note also, on the main window, the toolbar no longer works in text-only. ... Hmm. It didn't do the thing, but it also didn't indent. The above text was copied from a thing in Archive, and had a pipe. (And I don't know whether it's generating HTML or not.) -s ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] New version broke fonts?
On 1 Sep 2016, at 14:28, Benny Kjær Nielsen mailingl...@freron.com wrote: Right-click the toolbar to “Customize Toolbar...”. Then drag the default set into the toolbar or configure your own. Thanks Benny! That worked. I thought I had done that a while back, but, apparently not, c'est la vie. __*Richard Rettke*__ *Laus Deo* *Non sibi sed patriae* https://about.me/rerettke ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] New version broke fonts?
On 1 Sep 2016, at 21:24, Richard Rettke wrote: Perhaps this should be a separate thread, but I now see 2 (two) Print icons on the top right of the mail command bar when reading a mail. One appears to be the old icon for the printer, the other appears to be a stylized print icon. I really don't need two although it does double my odds of hitting it. Right-click the toolbar to “Customize Toolbar...”. Then drag the default set into the toolbar or configure your own. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] New version broke fonts?
On 1 Sep 2016, at 14:05, Seebs mailmate-l...@seebs.net wrote: I note also, on the main window, the toolbar no longer works in text-only. Instead of textual buttons for the three actions, you get the word "Actions". I actually really liked having buttons labeled "Archive" or "Move to Junk", because words are more reliable for me than images. Now that I've worked with this 'new' toolbar iconography, I have to agree. I now waste more time hovering the mouse waiting for the mouse-tip to pop up telling me specifically what the button is. Perhaps this should be a separate thread, but I now see 2 (two) Print icons on the top right of the mail command bar when reading a mail. One appears to be the old icon for the printer, the other appears to be a stylized print icon. I really don't need two although it does double my odds of hitting it. __*Richard Rettke*__ *Laus Deo* *Non sibi sed patriae* https://about.me/rerettke ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] New version broke fonts?
On 1 Sep 2016, at 21:20, Seebs wrote: So is there a straightforward way to indicate "please only send plain text, even if I do a thing which might otherwise suggest I'm thinking about HTML"? Not quite sure I understood the example, but you should configure MailMate to “Never embed” in the Composer preferences pane. You should also disable Markdown and not use the code highlighting or math features (all in the same preferences pane). I think that should result in MailMate never needing to generate HTML. If not, let me know. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] New version broke fonts?
On 1 Sep 2016, at 14:09, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 1 Sep 2016, at 21:05, Seebs wrote: I note also, on the main window, the toolbar no longer works in text-only. Instead of textual buttons for the three actions, you get the word "Actions". I actually really liked having buttons labeled "Archive" or "Move to Junk", because words are more reliable for me than images. This one is for you and anyone like-minded: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmUseOldToolbar -bool YES Yay. The “Format ▸ Show Fonts” affects the part of the GUI which has the focus. It seemed like a good idea when I implemented it a long time ago, but it doesn't really work well and many users have trouble using it. It does allow you to change the font of most parts of the GUI. (I should instead implement an explicit list of fonts somewhere in the preferences.) Ah-hah! That worked. And I note that I can move focus with the font window open, then click on the font I've got selected, and everything works. Woo! Thanks! Hmm. Okay, so, I think I figured out how to stop doing the "embedded HTML" thing, which I pretty much never want. But in the process of things, I ended up trying to copy text from a Sent Message. And the sent message was displayed with vertical lines left of things, instead of >. And pasting that tried to start embedding HTML, which isn't what I wanted, and didn't preserve the >s, which is also not what I wanted. Going to the "view raw message" thing got me the actual raw text. So is there a straightforward way to indicate "please only send plain text, even if I do a thing which might otherwise suggest I'm thinking about HTML"? -s ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] New version broke fonts?
On 1 Sep 2016, at 21:05, Seebs wrote: I note also, on the main window, the toolbar no longer works in text-only. Instead of textual buttons for the three actions, you get the word "Actions". I actually really liked having buttons labeled "Archive" or "Move to Junk", because words are more reliable for me than images. This one is for you and anyone like-minded: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmUseOldToolbar -bool YES Also the composer seems to have changed fonts, and maybe that's because I clicked reset fonts, but I don't see how to change fonts for a specific thing, there's just a single "show fonts" selector that appears to affect the message list? The “Format ▸ Show Fonts” affects the part of the GUI which has the focus. It seemed like a good idea when I implemented it a long time ago, but it doesn't really work well and many users have trouble using it. It does allow you to change the font of most parts of the GUI. (I should instead implement an explicit list of fonts somewhere in the preferences.) -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] New version broke fonts?
On 1 Sep 2016, at 12:56, Rob McBroom wrote: On 1 Sep 2016, at 13:46, Seebs wrote: So, plain text emails are now displaying in a non-fixed-width font. This is not ideal. But I can't find a way to change it. Do you have a custom stylesheet as described at https://manual.mailmate-app.com/customization#css_plist ? Getting rid of mine seemed to make things mostly sane. I do not seem to have one. I note also, on the main window, the toolbar no longer works in text-only. Instead of textual buttons for the three actions, you get the word "Actions". I actually really liked having buttons labeled "Archive" or "Move to Junk", because words are more reliable for me than images. Also the composer seems to have changed fonts, and maybe that's because I clicked reset fonts, but I don't see how to change fonts for a specific thing, there's just a single "show fonts" selector that appears to affect the message list? -s ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] New version broke fonts?
On 1 Sep 2016, at 13:46, Seebs wrote: So, plain text emails are now displaying in a non-fixed-width font. This is not ideal. But I can't find a way to change it. Do you have a custom stylesheet as described at https://manual.mailmate-app.com/customization#css_plist ? Getting rid of mine seemed to make things mostly sane. -- Rob McBroom http://www.skurfer.com/ ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] New version broke fonts?
So, plain text emails are now displaying in a non-fixed-width font. This is not ideal. But I can't find a way to change it. There's a "theme for plain text emails is:" thing in preferences, which appears to have some very subtle effect on rendering. Also, there's a "show fonts" button in Font Settings, but it does not appear to allow me to find out what font it thinks it is currently using, it only allows me to pick a font. There's no "undo" for that, and I can't tell what it was on before. And "reset fonts" goes to something which is also not what I was previously using for the message list, but I have no idea what I was using. Mostly, though, I want to fix the display of plain-text emails. -s ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
