Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
In the create message panel, you should have a drop-down selection item just to the right of the sender email address…see attached… - - - On 24 Jul 2021, at 18:15, Ralph Alvy wrote: If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
Understood and agreed…but if one wishes to use an SMTP server that is not cfg’d to the SENDer account, then the hidden prefs feature is required… - - - On 25 Jul 2021, at 12:37, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-25 at 01:31:23 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 05:31:23 +) Antonio Leding is rumored to have said: Correct - but I presumed he meant the SMTP server - if not, then I’m wondering if he might have been referring to how the SMTP server will be selected based on the From account… Without the experimental hidden preference that gives an independent SMTP menu, I have the pull-down shown in the attached images. It is automatically set based on context but if pulled down I can select any of the explicitly configured addresses for any account, or use the "Customize..." option to use any address I like, which MM will match to an account using their "Address Pattern" settings. Because each IMAP account has its own SMTP server setting, setting the From address determines the SMTP server. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
My experience was that no matter what account I chose in the drop-down menu, the same SMTP server was chosen. Not the one I wanted. I verified this by sending a message each time and looking at the raw message to see what SMTP server handle it. In all cases it was my Tuffmail SMTP server. Even when the account I chose was Fastmail. Of course, now that I deleted Tuffmail from Mailmate, this problem is gone because I only have one account in Mailmate now: Fastmail. On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Bill Cole wrote: > On 2021-07-25 at 01:31:23 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 05:31:23 +) > Antonio Leding > is rumored to have said: > > > Correct - but I presumed he meant the SMTP server - if not, then I’m > > wondering if he might have been referring to how the SMTP server will > > be selected based on the From account… > > Without the experimental hidden preference that gives an independent > SMTP menu, I have the pull-down shown in the attached images. It is > automatically set based on context but if pulled down I can select any > of the explicitly configured addresses for any account, or use the > "Customize..." option to use any address I like, which MM will match to > an account using their "Address Pattern" settings. Because each IMAP > account has its own SMTP server setting, setting the From address > determines the SMTP server. > > > -- > Bill Cole > b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org > (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) > Not Currently Available For Hire > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > > > *Attachments:* > * mmcompose.jpg > * mmfrommenu.jpg___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
On 2021-07-25 at 01:31:23 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 05:31:23 +) Antonio Leding is rumored to have said: Correct - but I presumed he meant the SMTP server - if not, then I’m wondering if he might have been referring to how the SMTP server will be selected based on the From account… Without the experimental hidden preference that gives an independent SMTP menu, I have the pull-down shown in the attached images. It is automatically set based on context but if pulled down I can select any of the explicitly configured addresses for any account, or use the "Customize..." option to use any address I like, which MM will match to an account using their "Address Pattern" settings. Because each IMAP account has its own SMTP server setting, setting the From address determines the SMTP server. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
I have deleted my old Tuffmail account from Mailmate so all is working as desired now, without having to select SMTP before Sending. On 24 Jul 2021, at 22:31, Antonio Leding wrote: Correct - but I presumed he meant the SMTP server - if not, then I’m wondering if he might have been referring to how the SMTP server will be selected based on the From account… - - - On 24 Jul 2021, at 21:41, Ralph Alvy wrote: To pull down method that Bill was talking about was in the FROM field for the account. Not the SMTP. On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, at 9:35 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: Just for clarification - the “Antonio method” and the pull-down menu are the exact same thing… On 24 Jul 2021, at 21:31, Ralph Alvy DC wrote: Ah. I see. Yes I do. So I do send from one account or another. I want to send from the Fastmail SMTP server while the FROM is the Fastmail acct. Is there really a problem if I own both Tuffmail and Fastmail accounts and just place my Fastmail SMTP server in my Tuffmail settings? I want this to be automatic, not having to remember to choose the SMTP server using Antonio's method. For some reason, Mailmate defaults to using my Tuffmail SMTP server, even if I choose the FROM acct to be Fastmail. Unless, of course, I use Antonio's method. I'm off to be and will follow up on your reply in the morning :-) Ralph On 24 Jul 2021, at 21:07, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 23:58:59 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 20:58:59 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: Bill, I really don't understand what you mean here. When I send an email with Mailmate, it grabs the SMTP server from my old Tuffmail account, even if it's offline. But all my mail is coming to my Fastmail account. What would be wrong with putting my Fastmail SMTP server in my Tuffmail account setup? I never CHOOSE an act to send from. I just tell Mailmate to do a New Message. Do you not have a pull-down menu in your Composer windows that lets you pick the From address? Ralph On 24 Jul 2021, at 19:47, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 21:15:55 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:15:55 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail? Each account has its own exclusive SMTP Server settings. This is good because on the modern Internet, it is not feasible to send mail claiming to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail server. It might work, but more likely your mail would be rejected or worse: dropped silently. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
Correct - but I presumed he meant the SMTP server - if not, then I’m wondering if he might have been referring to how the SMTP server will be selected based on the From account… - - - On 24 Jul 2021, at 21:41, Ralph Alvy wrote: To pull down method that Bill was talking about was in the FROM field for the account. Not the SMTP. On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, at 9:35 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: Just for clarification - the “Antonio method” and the pull-down menu are the exact same thing… On 24 Jul 2021, at 21:31, Ralph Alvy DC wrote: Ah. I see. Yes I do. So I do send from one account or another. I want to send from the Fastmail SMTP server while the FROM is the Fastmail acct. Is there really a problem if I own both Tuffmail and Fastmail accounts and just place my Fastmail SMTP server in my Tuffmail settings? I want this to be automatic, not having to remember to choose the SMTP server using Antonio's method. For some reason, Mailmate defaults to using my Tuffmail SMTP server, even if I choose the FROM acct to be Fastmail. Unless, of course, I use Antonio's method. I'm off to be and will follow up on your reply in the morning :-) Ralph On 24 Jul 2021, at 21:07, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 23:58:59 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 20:58:59 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: Bill, I really don't understand what you mean here. When I send an email with Mailmate, it grabs the SMTP server from my old Tuffmail account, even if it's offline. But all my mail is coming to my Fastmail account. What would be wrong with putting my Fastmail SMTP server in my Tuffmail account setup? I never CHOOSE an act to send from. I just tell Mailmate to do a New Message. Do you not have a pull-down menu in your Composer windows that lets you pick the From address? Ralph On 24 Jul 2021, at 19:47, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 21:15:55 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:15:55 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail? Each account has its own exclusive SMTP Server settings. This is good because on the modern Internet, it is not feasible to send mail claiming to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail server. It might work, but more likely your mail would be rejected or worse: dropped silently. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
To pull down method that Bill was talking about was in the FROM field for the account. Not the SMTP. On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, at 9:35 PM, Antonio Leding wrote: > Just for clarification - the “Antonio method” and the pull-down menu are the > exact same thing… > > > On 24 Jul 2021, at 21:31, Ralph Alvy DC wrote: > >> >> Ah. I see. Yes I do. So I do send from one account or another. I want to >> send from the Fastmail SMTP server while the FROM is the Fastmail acct. Is >> there really a problem if I own both Tuffmail and Fastmail accounts and just >> place my Fastmail SMTP server in my Tuffmail settings? I want this to be >> automatic, not having to remember to choose the SMTP server using Antonio's >> method. For some reason, Mailmate defaults to using my Tuffmail SMTP server, >> even if I choose the FROM acct to be Fastmail. Unless, of course, I use >> Antonio's method. >> >> I'm off to be and will follow up on your reply in the morning :-) >> >> Ralph >> >> On 24 Jul 2021, at 21:07, Bill Cole wrote: >> >>> >>> On 2021-07-24 at 23:58:59 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 20:58:59 -0700) >>> Ralph Alvy >>> is rumored to have said: >>> Bill, I really don't understand what you mean here. When I send an email with Mailmate, it grabs the SMTP server from my old Tuffmail account, even if it's offline. But all my mail is coming to my Fastmail account. What would be wrong with putting my Fastmail SMTP server in my Tuffmail account setup? I never CHOOSE an act to send from. I just tell Mailmate to do a New Message. >>> >>> Do you not have a pull-down menu in your Composer windows that lets you >>> pick the From address? >>> >>> Ralph On 24 Jul 2021, at 19:47, Bill Cole wrote: > > On 2021-07-24 at 21:15:55 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:15:55 -0700) > Ralph Alvy > is rumored to have said: > >> If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP >> server to use for outgoing mail? >> > > Each account has its own exclusive SMTP Server settings. This is good > because on the modern Internet, it is not feasible to send mail claiming > to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail > server. It might work, but more likely your mail would be rejected or > worse: dropped silently. > > > -- > Bill Cole > b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org > (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) > Not Currently Available For Hire > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >>> -- >>> Bill Cole >>> b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org >>> (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) >>> Not Currently Available For Hire >>> ___ >>> mailmate mailing list >>> mailmate@lists.freron.com >>> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >>> >> >> ___ >> mailmate mailing list >> mailmate@lists.freron.com >> https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate >> > > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
Just for clarification - the “Antonio method” and the pull-down menu are the exact same thing… - - - On 24 Jul 2021, at 21:31, Ralph Alvy DC wrote: Ah. I see. Yes I do. So I do send from one account or another. I want to send from the Fastmail SMTP server while the FROM is the Fastmail acct. Is there really a problem if I own both Tuffmail and Fastmail accounts and just place my Fastmail SMTP server in my Tuffmail settings? I want this to be automatic, not having to remember to choose the SMTP server using Antonio's method. For some reason, Mailmate defaults to using my Tuffmail SMTP server, even if I choose the FROM acct to be Fastmail. Unless, of course, I use Antonio's method. I'm off to be and will follow up on your reply in the morning :-) Ralph On 24 Jul 2021, at 21:07, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 23:58:59 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 20:58:59 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: Bill, I really don't understand what you mean here. When I send an email with Mailmate, it grabs the SMTP server from my old Tuffmail account, even if it's offline. But all my mail is coming to my Fastmail account. What would be wrong with putting my Fastmail SMTP server in my Tuffmail account setup? I never CHOOSE an act to send from. I just tell Mailmate to do a New Message. Do you not have a pull-down menu in your Composer windows that lets you pick the From address? Ralph On 24 Jul 2021, at 19:47, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 21:15:55 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:15:55 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail? Each account has its own exclusive SMTP Server settings. This is good because on the modern Internet, it is not feasible to send mail claiming to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail server. It might work, but more likely your mail would be rejected or worse: dropped silently. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
Ah. I see. Yes I do. So I do send from one account or another. I want to send from the Fastmail SMTP server while the FROM is the Fastmail acct. Is there really a problem if I own both Tuffmail and Fastmail accounts and just place my Fastmail SMTP server in my Tuffmail settings? I want this to be automatic, not having to remember to choose the SMTP server using Antonio's method. For some reason, Mailmate defaults to using my Tuffmail SMTP server, even if I choose the FROM acct to be Fastmail. Unless, of course, I use Antonio's method. I'm off to be and will follow up on your reply in the morning :-) Ralph On 24 Jul 2021, at 21:07, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 23:58:59 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 20:58:59 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: Bill, I really don't understand what you mean here. When I send an email with Mailmate, it grabs the SMTP server from my old Tuffmail account, even if it's offline. But all my mail is coming to my Fastmail account. What would be wrong with putting my Fastmail SMTP server in my Tuffmail account setup? I never CHOOSE an act to send from. I just tell Mailmate to do a New Message. Do you not have a pull-down menu in your Composer windows that lets you pick the From address? Ralph On 24 Jul 2021, at 19:47, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 21:15:55 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:15:55 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail? Each account has its own exclusive SMTP Server settings. This is good because on the modern Internet, it is not feasible to send mail claiming to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail server. It might work, but more likely your mail would be rejected or worse: dropped silently. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
“… surely using mail submission (port 587 or 465…” With SES, most definitely - but not a big deal…if my own server, can literally use any port I want… “…mandatory TLS encryption and authentication and DKIM signatures added with "d=amazonses.com”)…” Most definitely - just prudent… “…published a SPF record in DNS for leding.net which explicitly declares that your mail may legitimately be coming out of SES…” Again, very true - which is exactly what people should be doing - at least with their own domains. I know some may opt to not use SPF but given that more and more admins are requiring SPF checks for all inbound mail, just foolish not to have it… - - - On 24 Jul 2021, at 20:59, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 23:03:04 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 03:03:04 +) Antonio Leding is rumored to have said: “…not feasible to send mail claiming to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail server…” Mostly true but there’s ways around such hindrances… https://www.wpoven.com/blog/free-smtp-servers-sending-emails/ All of those require you to set up accounts with the providers in question. For example, you cannot simply decide to route your mail through Google's mail servers without having a Google account and configuring it to allow you to send mail using that account with sender addresses that are not hosted at Google. So: not quite "arbitrarily chosen." I haven’t used any of my “assigned” SMTP servers since 2000. And since 2013, been using a combo of Amazon’s SES or my own Postfix…the latter is especially nice if one wants to use a non-standard port... Sure, but you are almost surely using mail submission (port 587 or 465, with mandatory TLS encryption and authentication and DKIM signatures added with "d=amazonses.com") and you have published a SPF record in DNS for leding.net which explicitly declares that your mail may legitimately be coming out of SES. Back before spam was a problem, it was possible to submit mail without authentication through nearly all SMTP servers, using whatever envelope sender and/or From address you felt like using with any server. This has evolved over time to the current situation where authentication (and hence server-specific account setup) is almost universally required along with TLS encryption. Some mail clients (including, at least in the past, Apple Mail) have configured submission (i.e. SMTP-like) servers independently of IMAP accounts and allowed users to arbitrarily select which outbound path to use with each message, regardless of which sender address is used. That is not generally safe today, but it was once entirely reasonable. - - - On 24 Jul 2021, at 19:47, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 21:15:55 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:15:55 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail? Each account has its own exclusive SMTP Server settings. This is good because on the modern Internet, it is not feasible to send mail claiming to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail server. It might work, but more likely your mail would be rejected or worse: dropped silently. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
And we’ve come full circle… https://lists.freron.com/mailmate/2021-July/014422.html - - - On 24 Jul 2021, at 21:07, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 23:58:59 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 20:58:59 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: Bill, I really don't understand what you mean here. When I send an email with Mailmate, it grabs the SMTP server from my old Tuffmail account, even if it's offline. But all my mail is coming to my Fastmail account. What would be wrong with putting my Fastmail SMTP server in my Tuffmail account setup? I never CHOOSE an act to send from. I just tell Mailmate to do a New Message. Do you not have a pull-down menu in your Composer windows that lets you pick the From address? Ralph On 24 Jul 2021, at 19:47, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 21:15:55 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:15:55 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail? Each account has its own exclusive SMTP Server settings. This is good because on the modern Internet, it is not feasible to send mail claiming to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail server. It might work, but more likely your mail would be rejected or worse: dropped silently. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
On 2021-07-24 at 23:58:59 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 20:58:59 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: Bill, I really don't understand what you mean here. When I send an email with Mailmate, it grabs the SMTP server from my old Tuffmail account, even if it's offline. But all my mail is coming to my Fastmail account. What would be wrong with putting my Fastmail SMTP server in my Tuffmail account setup? I never CHOOSE an act to send from. I just tell Mailmate to do a New Message. Do you not have a pull-down menu in your Composer windows that lets you pick the From address? Ralph On 24 Jul 2021, at 19:47, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 21:15:55 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:15:55 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail? Each account has its own exclusive SMTP Server settings. This is good because on the modern Internet, it is not feasible to send mail claiming to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail server. It might work, but more likely your mail would be rejected or worse: dropped silently. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
On 2021-07-24 at 23:03:04 UTC-0400 (Sun, 25 Jul 2021 03:03:04 +) Antonio Leding is rumored to have said: “…not feasible to send mail claiming to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail server…” Mostly true but there’s ways around such hindrances… https://www.wpoven.com/blog/free-smtp-servers-sending-emails/ All of those require you to set up accounts with the providers in question. For example, you cannot simply decide to route your mail through Google's mail servers without having a Google account and configuring it to allow you to send mail using that account with sender addresses that are not hosted at Google. So: not quite "arbitrarily chosen." I haven’t used any of my “assigned” SMTP servers since 2000. And since 2013, been using a combo of Amazon’s SES or my own Postfix…the latter is especially nice if one wants to use a non-standard port... Sure, but you are almost surely using mail submission (port 587 or 465, with mandatory TLS encryption and authentication and DKIM signatures added with "d=amazonses.com") and you have published a SPF record in DNS for leding.net which explicitly declares that your mail may legitimately be coming out of SES. Back before spam was a problem, it was possible to submit mail without authentication through nearly all SMTP servers, using whatever envelope sender and/or From address you felt like using with any server. This has evolved over time to the current situation where authentication (and hence server-specific account setup) is almost universally required along with TLS encryption. Some mail clients (including, at least in the past, Apple Mail) have configured submission (i.e. SMTP-like) servers independently of IMAP accounts and allowed users to arbitrarily select which outbound path to use with each message, regardless of which sender address is used. That is not generally safe today, but it was once entirely reasonable. - - - On 24 Jul 2021, at 19:47, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 21:15:55 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:15:55 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail? Each account has its own exclusive SMTP Server settings. This is good because on the modern Internet, it is not feasible to send mail claiming to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail server. It might work, but more likely your mail would be rejected or worse: dropped silently. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
Bill, I really don't understand what you mean here. When I send an email with Mailmate, it grabs the SMTP server from my old Tuffmail account, even if it's offline. But all my mail is coming to my Fastmail account. What would be wrong with putting my Fastmail SMTP server in my Tuffmail account setup? I never CHOOSE an act to send from. I just tell Mailmate to do a New Message. Ralph On 24 Jul 2021, at 19:47, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 21:15:55 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:15:55 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail? Each account has its own exclusive SMTP Server settings. This is good because on the modern Internet, it is not feasible to send mail claiming to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail server. It might work, but more likely your mail would be rejected or worse: dropped silently. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
“…it failed to send…” I haven’t tried that command but given these are “experimental”, YMMV… Glad to see the SMTP server part works though - that’s the one that is really useful for me… - - - On 24 Jul 2021, at 20:43, Ralph Alvy wrote: Yes. I did that and it works fine. Thanks. I also tried the command line to ignore the SMTP of the Offline account, but it failed to send. On 24 Jul 2021, at 20:20, Antonio Leding wrote: Did you not see the instructions I sent re: using a specific SMTP server per account? - - - On 24 Jul 2021, at 20:19, Ralph Alvy wrote: However, if I put my Fastmail SMTP server in my Tuffmail IMAP setup, it works fine. But from what you said about using a "foreign" SMTP server with an account is not advisable, I changed it back to its own SMTP server and just live with it. On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, at 8:11 PM, Ralph Alvy wrote: I have a Tuffmail account and new Fastmail account. I found that mail is automatically sent via the Tuffmail smtp and I had no choice. I can't seem to tell Mailmate what account I'm sending from. I will soon delete the Tuffmail account. On 24 Jul 2021, at 19:47, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 21:15:55 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:15:55 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail? Each account has its own exclusive SMTP Server settings. This is good because on the modern Internet, it is not feasible to send mail claiming to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail server. It might work, but more likely your mail would be rejected or worse: dropped silently. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
Yes. I did that and it works fine. Thanks. I also tried the command line to ignore the SMTP of the Offline account, but it failed to send. On 24 Jul 2021, at 20:20, Antonio Leding wrote: Did you not see the instructions I sent re: using a specific SMTP server per account? - - - On 24 Jul 2021, at 20:19, Ralph Alvy wrote: However, if I put my Fastmail SMTP server in my Tuffmail IMAP setup, it works fine. But from what you said about using a "foreign" SMTP server with an account is not advisable, I changed it back to its own SMTP server and just live with it. On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, at 8:11 PM, Ralph Alvy wrote: I have a Tuffmail account and new Fastmail account. I found that mail is automatically sent via the Tuffmail smtp and I had no choice. I can't seem to tell Mailmate what account I'm sending from. I will soon delete the Tuffmail account. On 24 Jul 2021, at 19:47, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 21:15:55 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:15:55 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail? Each account has its own exclusive SMTP Server settings. This is good because on the modern Internet, it is not feasible to send mail claiming to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail server. It might work, but more likely your mail would be rejected or worse: dropped silently. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
Did you not see the instructions I sent re: using a specific SMTP server per account? - - - On 24 Jul 2021, at 20:19, Ralph Alvy wrote: However, if I put my Fastmail SMTP server in my Tuffmail IMAP setup, it works fine. But from what you said about using a "foreign" SMTP server with an account is not advisable, I changed it back to its own SMTP server and just live with it. On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, at 8:11 PM, Ralph Alvy wrote: I have a Tuffmail account and new Fastmail account. I found that mail is automatically sent via the Tuffmail smtp and I had no choice. I can't seem to tell Mailmate what account I'm sending from. I will soon delete the Tuffmail account. On 24 Jul 2021, at 19:47, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 21:15:55 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:15:55 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail? Each account has its own exclusive SMTP Server settings. This is good because on the modern Internet, it is not feasible to send mail claiming to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail server. It might work, but more likely your mail would be rejected or worse: dropped silently. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
However, if I put my Fastmail SMTP server in my Tuffmail IMAP setup, it works fine. But from what you said about using a "foreign" SMTP server with an account is not advisable, I changed it back to its own SMTP server and just live with it. On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, at 8:11 PM, Ralph Alvy wrote: > I have a Tuffmail account and new Fastmail account. I found that mail is > automatically sent via the Tuffmail smtp and I had no choice. I can't > seem to tell Mailmate what account I'm sending from. I will soon delete > the Tuffmail account. > > On 24 Jul 2021, at 19:47, Bill Cole wrote: > > > On 2021-07-24 at 21:15:55 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:15:55 -0700) > > Ralph Alvy > > is rumored to have said: > > > >> If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP > >> server to use for outgoing mail? > > > > Each account has its own exclusive SMTP Server settings. This is good > > because on the modern Internet, it is not feasible to send mail > > claiming to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily > > chosen mail server. It might work, but more likely your mail would be > > rejected or worse: dropped silently. > > > > > > -- > > Bill Cole > > b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org > > (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) > > Not Currently Available For Hire > > ___ > > mailmate mailing list > > mailmate@lists.freron.com > > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
I have a Tuffmail account and new Fastmail account. I found that mail is automatically sent via the Tuffmail smtp and I had no choice. I can't seem to tell Mailmate what account I'm sending from. I will soon delete the Tuffmail account. On 24 Jul 2021, at 19:47, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 21:15:55 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:15:55 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail? Each account has its own exclusive SMTP Server settings. This is good because on the modern Internet, it is not feasible to send mail claiming to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail server. It might work, but more likely your mail would be rejected or worse: dropped silently. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
“…not feasible to send mail claiming to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail server…” Mostly true but there’s ways around such hindrances… https://www.wpoven.com/blog/free-smtp-servers-sending-emails/ I haven’t used any of my “assigned” SMTP servers since 2000. And since 2013, been using a combo of Amazon’s SES or my own Postfix…the latter is especially nice if one wants to use a non-standard port... - - - On 24 Jul 2021, at 19:47, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-07-24 at 21:15:55 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:15:55 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail? Each account has its own exclusive SMTP Server settings. This is good because on the modern Internet, it is not feasible to send mail claiming to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail server. It might work, but more likely your mail would be rejected or worse: dropped silently. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
On 2021-07-24 at 21:15:55 UTC-0400 (Sat, 24 Jul 2021 18:15:55 -0700) Ralph Alvy is rumored to have said: If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail? Each account has its own exclusive SMTP Server settings. This is good because on the modern Internet, it is not feasible to send mail claiming to be from a particular address through any arbitrarily chosen mail server. It might work, but more likely your mail would be rejected or worse: dropped silently. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
Sorry - I think you also need to enable this feature using: `defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmSMTPAlternativeEnabled -bool YES` Also see: * “Alternate SMTP server” on this page: https://manual.mailmate-app.com/hidden_preferences * And then more discussion about this in the following thread: https://lists.freron.com/mailmate/2016-January/005366.html - - - On 24 Jul 2021, at 19:22, Ralph Alvy wrote: I don't have any dropdown next to the Sender field in the Compose window. Is in a recent beta? On 24 Jul 2021, at 18:45, Antonio Leding wrote: Resend using an Imgur link rather than the actual image… In the create message panel, you should have a drop-down selection item just to the right of the sender email address…see the link below… https://imgur.com/a/LX2TypL - - - On 24 Jul 2021, at 18:15, Ralph Alvy wrote: If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
I don't have any dropdown next to the Sender field in the Compose window. Is in a recent beta? On 24 Jul 2021, at 18:45, Antonio Leding wrote: Resend using an Imgur link rather than the actual image… In the create message panel, you should have a drop-down selection item just to the right of the sender email address…see the link below… https://imgur.com/a/LX2TypL - - - On 24 Jul 2021, at 18:15, Ralph Alvy wrote: If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
Resend using an Imgur link rather than the actual image… In the create message panel, you should have a drop-down selection item just to the right of the sender email address…see the link below… https://imgur.com/a/LX2TypL - - - On 24 Jul 2021, at 18:15, Ralph Alvy wrote: If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail? ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Selecting default SMTP server
If I have more than one Source Acct, how do I tell Mailmate with SMTP server to use for outgoing mail?___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
