Re: [MlMt] The amazing reappearing preview pane

2016-09-24 Thread John Cooper

Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote (at 5:30 on 24 Sep 2016):


On 24 Sep 2016, at 7:45, John Cooper wrote:

I use the recommended styling method and the "Generate HTML even if 
only for styling" box is checked.


The latter is not the default. It'll trigger all messages to have an 
HTML alternative generated. This is the only way to ensure that the 
configured theme is applied to all outgoing messages. Most users 
shouldn't do that in my opinion. When possible, a simple plain text 
message is what works best for most recipients. (An HTML signature 
would also trigger this behavior.)


Thanks, Benny. I've unchecked the box, which I must have checked in 
error some time in the distant past.


Ultimately, it would be helpful to be able to revert to defaults 
selectively, or at least to have the default values noted in the docs, 
so that one can reverse mistaken configurations like this without 
throwing out every custom setting one ever made. (This is intended as 
more suggestion than complaint.)

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Re: [MlMt] The amazing reappearing preview pane

2016-09-24 Thread Benny Kjær Nielsen

On 24 Sep 2016, at 7:45, John Cooper wrote:

I don't understand the styling settings even after reading the help, 
so I hope it doesn't have anything to do with those.


The plain text aspect of MailMate and the HTML generation is certainly 
something that sets MailMate apart from other email clients. I'm aware 
that there's a steep learning curve here, but as I think I wrote in the 
manual, the default settings should work for most users.


I use the recommended styling method and the "Generate HTML even if 
only for styling" box is checked.


The latter is not the default. It'll trigger all messages to have an 
HTML alternative generated. This is the only way to ensure that the 
configured theme is applied to all outgoing messages. Most users 
shouldn't do that in my opinion. When possible, a simple plain text 
message is what works best for most recipients. (An HTML signature would 
also trigger this behavior.)


But there is a bug here. If the preview is collapsed by dragging the 
separator then MailMate fails to remember it and it'll popup again. If 
you use the toolbar icon to do it instead then it shouldn't happen. I've 
noted the bug.


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Re: [MlMt] The amazing reappearing preview pane

2016-09-23 Thread John Cooper

Rob McBroom wrote (at 22:38 on 23 Sep 2016):


On 24 Sep 2016, at 0:56, John Cooper wrote:

When I'm in a message composer window and I hide the preview pane, I 
type a few characters, and the preview pane simply reappears. It 
doesn't appear to be related to any particular key or key 
combination. I don't suppose anybody else has seen this?


By default, when you type a message, it’s just plain text and stays 
that way *unless* you type something that Markdown can turn into HTML. 
Then, the message becomes multi-part and the preview pane appears so 
you can see what the HTML part will look like.


I don’t see anything obvious in your message that would trigger 
this, but the line at the bottom is obviously an HTML `` and not 
just a string of text, so maybe it’s something in your signature?


I don't use a signature, but you're probably on the right track.

In any case, you might want to experiment with the options under 
Preferences → Composer → Preview: Display.


It's set to display the preview "when generating HTML." I don't know why 
my message should have generated HTML unless *all* messages generate 
HMTL when "Markdown" is selected at the top of the message composer 
window. I'll change the preferences to never display the preview window 
and that'll probably take care of it. I do want to be able to display 
the preview manually, so I hope I can still do so when I use that 
setting.


I don't understand the styling settings even after reading the help, so 
I hope it doesn't have anything to do with those. I use the recommended 
styling method and the "Generate HTML even if only for styling" box is 
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Re: [MlMt] The amazing reappearing preview pane

2016-09-23 Thread Rob McBroom

On 24 Sep 2016, at 0:56, John Cooper wrote:

When I'm in a message composer window and I hide the preview pane, I 
type a few characters, and the preview pane simply reappears. It 
doesn't appear to be related to any particular key or key combination. 
I don't suppose anybody else has seen this?


I think it’s documented somewhere (maybe on the `twopointoh` page?), 
but I think this is what’s happening.


By default, when you type a message, it’s just plain text and stays 
that way *unless* you type something that Markdown can turn into HTML. 
Then, the message becomes multi-part and the preview pane appears so you 
can see what the HTML part will look like.


For example, this message had no preview pane until I typed the ticks 
above. I like this personally, but that’s because I expect it and use 
it.


I don’t see anything obvious in your message that would trigger this, 
but the line at the bottom is obviously an HTML `` and not just a 
string of text, so maybe it’s something in your signature?


In any case, you might want to experiment with the options under 
Preferences → Composer → Preview: Display.


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Re: [MlMt] The amazing reappearing preview pane

2016-09-23 Thread John Cooper

Richard Rettke wrote (at 22:25 on 23 Sep 2016):

On 23 Sep 2016, at 23:56, John Cooper mailm...@coopercontent.com  
wrote:


When I'm in a message composer window and I hide the preview pane, I 
type a few characters, and the preview pane simply reappears. It 
doesn't appear to be related to any particular key or key 
combination. I don't suppose anybody else has seen this?


It happened several times while I composed this message. I hid the 
preview pane after the word "reappears" and waited about 30 seconds 
to see if the preview pane would reappear without keyboard input. It 
didn't, so I typed the next sentence. I paused at the end of that 
sentence, and about two seconds later, up popped the preview pane 
again.


I'm using build 5263.



I am experiencing the same or similar. Not sure what the trigger is 
but the preview pane cracks open at the bottom of the window. I yank 
it shut and a while later notice it is back.  I will watch to see if I 
can determine what the trigger is (if any).


That happened too! I finally dragged the separator all the way to the 
bottom to hide the preview, but the preview kept creeping up so four or 
so lines displayed! This is a very playful build of MailMate.___
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Re: [MlMt] The amazing reappearing preview pane

2016-09-23 Thread Richard Rettke

On 23 Sep 2016, at 23:56, John Cooper mailm...@coopercontent.com  wrote:

When I'm in a message composer window and I hide the preview pane, I 
type a few characters, and the preview pane simply reappears. It 
doesn't appear to be related to any particular key or key combination. 
I don't suppose anybody else has seen this?


It happened several times while I composed this message. I hid the 
preview pane after the word "reappears" and waited about 30 seconds to 
see if the preview pane would reappear without keyboard input. It 
didn't, so I typed the next sentence. I paused at the end of that 
sentence, and about two seconds later, up popped the preview pane 
again.


I'm using build 5263.



I am experiencing the same or similar. Not sure what the trigger is but 
the preview pane cracks open at the bottom of the window. I yank it shut 
and a while later notice it is back.  I will watch to see if I can 
determine what the trigger is (if any).


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[MlMt] The amazing reappearing preview pane

2016-09-23 Thread John Cooper
When I'm in a message composer window and I hide the preview pane, I 
type a few characters, and the preview pane simply reappears. It doesn't 
appear to be related to any particular key or key combination. I don't 
suppose anybody else has seen this?


It happened several times while I composed this message. I hid the 
preview pane after the word "reappears" and waited about 30 seconds to 
see if the preview pane would reappear without keyboard input. It 
didn't, so I typed the next sentence. I paused at the end of that 
sentence, and about two seconds later, up popped the preview pane again.


I'm using build 5263.___
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