Re: [MlMt] Trash Can Icon in Message List
On 24 Apr 2022, at 22:20, Bill Cole wrote: > On 2022-04-24 at 18:05:23 UTC-0400 (Sun, 24 Apr 2022 18:05:23 -0400) > Mike Conley > is rumored to have said: > >> I guess I was not so much interested in the peculiarities of the Xfinity >> IMAP server as I was in what exactly the trash can icon in the message list >> meant. Anyone know? > > It sounds like MM is marking messages as deleted rather than moving them to > whichever mailbox in the account is being used as the "Trash" mailbox. That > is an older model for how deletion is done in IMAP, but I'm not sure why MM > would do that for one account and not others or why it would show the deleted > but not yet expunged messages. > > I thought MM had a preference to use that method, but I can't find it at the > moment. I know there are hidden preferences to control this behavior. Here's what I set: defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmDeleteBehavior -string "markAsDeleted" defaults write com.freron.MailMate MmShowDeletedMessages -bool YES I've been using those settings for years. I don't know if Benny ever made them available via the GUI. BTW, I agree with Sebastian that this is the correct way to use IMAP, "older" or not. :-) I have an Xfinity email account, and SpamSieve works perfectly well for me on that account, moving messages it thinks are spam to the "Junk" folder, so I don't agree with the hypotheses that this is an Xfinity issue. -Eric > > -- > Bill Cole > b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org > (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) > Not Currently Available For Hire > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Trash Can Icon in Message List
On 24 Apr 2022, at 22:20, Bill Cole wrote: On 2022-04-24 at 18:05:23 UTC-0400 (Sun, 24 Apr 2022 18:05:23 -0400) Mike Conley is rumored to have said: I guess I was not so much interested in the peculiarities of the Xfinity IMAP server as I was in what exactly the trash can icon in the message list meant. Anyone know? It sounds like MM is marking messages as deleted rather than moving them to whichever mailbox in the account is being used as the "Trash" mailbox. That is an older model for how deletion is done in IMAP, but I'm not sure why MM would do that for one account and not others or why it would show the deleted but not yet expunged messages. I thought MM had a preference to use that method, but I can't find it at the moment. IMAP has all sorts of optional commands; it may be that during the initial negotiation, MailMate learns that Xfinity doesn't have the preferred delete option. —Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Trash Can Icon in Message List
On 25 Apr 2022, at 4:20, Bill Cole wrote: > On 2022-04-24 at 18:05:23 UTC-0400 (Sun, 24 Apr 2022 18:05:23 -0400) > > Mike Conley mailmate@lists.freron.com > > is rumored to have said: > > I guess I was not so much interested in the peculiarities of the Xfinity IMAP > server as I was in what exactly the trash can icon in the message list meant. > Anyone know? > > It sounds like MM is marking messages as deleted rather than moving them to > whichever mailbox in the account is being used as the "Trash" mailbox. That > is an older model for how deletion is done in IMAP, but I'm not sure why MM > would do that for one account and not others or why it would show the deleted > but not yet expunged messages. IMO that’s the only correct way to use IMAP, but I’m a dinosaur :-) My guess is that MailMate uses its “normal” Delete model for the account, but that perhaps Xfinity IMAP server doesn’t support \Junk flags, and so SpamSieve falls back on storing a \Deleted flag instead. That is pure conjecture on my part, but it would explain the behavior. -- .:.Sebastian Hagedorn - Weyertal 121 (Gebäude 133), Zimmer 2.02.:. .:.Regionales Rechenzentrum (RRZK).:. .:.Universität zu Köln / Cologne University - ✆ +49-221-470-89578.:. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME digital signature ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Trash Can Icon in Message List
On 2022-04-24 at 18:05:23 UTC-0400 (Sun, 24 Apr 2022 18:05:23 -0400) Mike Conley is rumored to have said: I guess I was not so much interested in the peculiarities of the Xfinity IMAP server as I was in what exactly the trash can icon in the message list meant. Anyone know? It sounds like MM is marking messages as deleted rather than moving them to whichever mailbox in the account is being used as the "Trash" mailbox. That is an older model for how deletion is done in IMAP, but I'm not sure why MM would do that for one account and not others or why it would show the deleted but not yet expunged messages. I thought MM had a preference to use that method, but I can't find it at the moment. -- Bill Cole b...@scconsult.com or billc...@apache.org (AKA @grumpybozo and many *@billmail.scconsult.com addresses) Not Currently Available For Hire ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Trash Can Icon in Message List
Mike, Pretty sure that the Trash can action moves a group (or a single one) of selected messages to the appropriate source account’s trash mailbox. It’s coded into the app. That’s the extent of my info. Someone may want to add to this. Hope this helps you. - - Please excuse the tttapping errors... Sent from my iPhone C/T (954) 253-4125 Henry M. Seiden Techworks Pro > On Apr 24, 2022, at 18:06, Mike Conley wrote: > > I guess I was not so much interested in the peculiarities of the Xfinity > IMAP server as I was in what exactly the trash can icon in the message list > meant. Anyone know? > > -mike > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] Trash Can Icon in Message List
I do know that SpamSieve author Michael Tsai does support his product but doesn’t support MailMate. Also his support for Mail is outstanding. Personally, I use a separate “drone” SpamSieve set up for filtering my 9 accounts outside of MailMate. It works fine. Of those accounts none are Xfinity, however. Henry - - Please excuse the tttapping errors... Sent from my iPhone C/T (954) 253-4125 Henry M. Seiden Techworks Pro > On Apr 23, 2022, at 10:11, Mike Conley wrote: > > I have an account set up in MailMate pointing to the Xfinity IMAP server, > and I use SpamSieve as a spam filter. Messages that get marked as spam are > meant to be sent to the Junk folder. > > What I see, however, is the spam messages appear in the INBOX folder with > little trash can icons in the leftmost column (under the • header). They > don't show up in the Deleted Messages folder, or in the Trash folder, or even > in the Junk folder in MailMate; they remain in the INBOX folder. > > Any thoughts as to why this is? It's the only account I have that behaves > this way. > > Cheers > > -mike > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] Trash Can Icon in Message List
I have an account set up in MailMate pointing to the Xfinity IMAP server, and I use SpamSieve as a spam filter. Messages that get marked as spam are meant to be sent to the Junk folder. What I see, however, is the spam messages appear in the INBOX folder with little trash can icons in the leftmost column (under the • header). They don't show up in the Deleted Messages folder, or in the Trash folder, or even in the Junk folder in MailMate; they remain in the INBOX folder. Any thoughts as to why this is? It's the only account I have that behaves this way. Cheers -mike ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com https://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
