Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Philip Paeps]

On 2017-06-15 00:46:17 (+0200), Bob Stern  wrote:
FYI, a counter-intuitive aspect of app-specific passwords is that they 
need not be specific to a single application.  Although Apple can 
issue up to 25 different app-specific passwords for a given iCloud 
account, the account owner can elect to use a single app-specific 
password for multiple applications.


As Benny states in his blog post, an application is not restricted to 
a specific subset of iCloud data, which seems to defeat the purpose of 
app-specific passwords.  The only advantage I can think of for 
creating different passwords for different applications is it enables 
you to revoke one application's access to iCloud if, for example, you 
stop using the application or the application is acquired by a company 
with notorious privacy practices.


You could also read this as "device specific password" so you can revoke 
access for a device (and all the applications on it) when it gets stolen 
or lost.


There is zero added value to having different passwords for contacts, 
calendar and mail on your laptop.  Being able to kill access for the 
laptop without having to change the password on your phone makes sense.


The main benefit of x-specific passwords -- if implemented correctly -- 
is that they only give access to (possibly a subset of) your data and 
not to your account itself.  In other words: if implemented correctly, a 
compromised x-specific password cannot be used to change your account 
password, create new x-specific passwords or revoke access from other 
x-specific passwords.


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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Bob Stern]

FYI, a counter-intuitive aspect of app-specific passwords is that they need not 
be specific to a single application.  Although Apple can issue up to 25 
different app-specific passwords for a given iCloud account, the account owner 
can elect to use a single app-specific password for multiple applications.

As Benny states in his blog post, an application is not restricted to a 
specific subset of iCloud data, which seems to defeat the purpose of 
app-specific passwords.  The only advantage I can think of for creating 
different passwords for different applications is it enables you to revoke one 
application's access to iCloud if, for example, you stop using the application 
or the application is acquired by a company with notorious privacy practices.

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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Robert Brenstein]

I just got the following today:

This is a reminder that beginning on June 15, app-specific passwords 
will be required to access your iCloud data using third‑party apps 
such as Microsoft Outlook, Mozilla Thunderbird, or other mail, contacts, 
and calendar services not provided by Apple.


If you are already signed in to a third‑party app using your primary 
Apple ID password, you will be signed out automatically when this change 
takes effect. You will need to generate an app-specific password and 
sign in again.


To generate an app-specific password, turn on two-factor authentication 
for your Apple ID and then follow the instructions below:


•   Sign in to your Apple ID account page 
(https://appleid.apple.com)
•   Go to App-Specific Passwords under Security
•   Click Generate Password


On 9 Jun 2017, at 20:03, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:


Sorry,

I wasn’t quite remembering correctly. Following is the email I 
received…


==

Thank you for using two-step verification to protect the security of 
your Apple ID.


If you install the iOS 11 or macOS High Sierra public betas this 
summer and meet the basic requirements, your Apple ID (xx) will be 
automatically updated to use two-factor authentication. This is our 
most advanced, easy-to-use account security, and it’s required to 
use some of the latest features of iOS, macOS, and iCloud.


Once updated, you’ll get the same extra layer of security you enjoy 
with two-step verification today, but with an even better user 
experience. Verification codes will be displayed on your trusted 
devices automatically whenever you sign in, and you will no longer 
need to keep a printed recovery key to make sure you can reset a 
forgotten password.


For more information, read Two-Factor Authentication for Apple ID. If 
you have additional questions, visit Apple Support.

Apple Support

===

The information page can be found at


rgds,
v


On 9 Jun 2017, at 10:54, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 9 Jun 2017, at 16:26, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:

My understanding is that it will be with the next release of MacOS 
(High Sierra?), sometime this fall… unless you are using one of 
the beta builds.


If you find a link to this information then please share.

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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 9 Jun 2017, at 20:03, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:

I wasn’t quite remembering correctly. Following is the email I 
received…


Thanks.


==

Thank you for using two-step verification to protect the security of 
your Apple ID.


If you install the iOS 11 or macOS High Sierra public betas this 
summer and meet the basic requirements, your Apple ID (xx) will be 
automatically updated to use two-factor authentication. This is our 
most advanced, easy-to-use account security, and it’s required to 
use some of the latest features of iOS, macOS, and iCloud.


It appears they are now forcing users to stop using two-step 
verification (instead of two-step authentication).


Once updated, you’ll get the same extra layer of security you enjoy 
with two-step verification today, but with an even better user 
experience. Verification codes will be displayed on your trusted 
devices automatically whenever you sign in, and you will no longer 
need to keep a printed recovery key to make sure you can reset a 
forgotten password.


For more information, read Two-Factor Authentication for Apple ID. If 
you have additional questions, visit Apple Support.

Apple Support

===

The information page can be found at



That page says: “The older two-step verification feature continues to 
work separately for users who are already enrolled.”


But if those already enrolled are forced to switch then it does look 
like two-step verification is now being retired. The question is what 
happens with devices which do not support two factor authentication, 
e.g., anything with an OS older than El Capitan.


...

Oh, they answer that as well: “What if I use two-factor authentication 
on a device running older software?
If you use two-factor authentication with devices running older OS 
versions, you might be asked to add your six-digit verification code to 
the end of your password when signing in. Get your verification code 
from a trusted device running iOS 9 and later or OS X El Capitan and 
later, or have it sent to your trusted phone number. Then type your 
password followed by the six-digit verification code directly into the 
password field.”


In other words, you *must* have at least 1 device with at least iOS 9 
and/or El Capitan to enable two-factor authentication. If two-factor 
authentication is required to create application specific passwords and 
application specific passwords become mandatory then this also becomes a 
requirement for using MailMate with an iCloud email account.


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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Verdon Vaillancourt]

Sorry,

I wasn’t quite remembering correctly. Following is the email I 
received…


==

Thank you for using two-step verification to protect the security of 
your Apple ID.


If you install the iOS 11 or macOS High Sierra public betas this summer 
and meet the basic requirements, your Apple ID (xx) will be 
automatically updated to use two-factor authentication. This is our most 
advanced, easy-to-use account security, and it’s required to use some 
of the latest features of iOS, macOS, and iCloud.


Once updated, you’ll get the same extra layer of security you enjoy 
with two-step verification today, but with an even better user 
experience. Verification codes will be displayed on your trusted devices 
automatically whenever you sign in, and you will no longer need to keep 
a printed recovery key to make sure you can reset a forgotten password.


For more information, read Two-Factor Authentication for Apple ID. If 
you have additional questions, visit Apple Support.

Apple Support

===

The information page can be found at


rgds,
v


On 9 Jun 2017, at 10:54, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 9 Jun 2017, at 16:26, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:

My understanding is that it will be with the next release of MacOS 
(High Sierra?), sometime this fall… unless you are using one of the 
beta builds.


If you find a link to this information then please share.

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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Melton Low]

I'm in Canada and I received my iCloud notification almost a month ago.


On 9 Jun 2017, at 8:22, David Vereschagin wrote:


On 9 Jun 2017, at 8:52, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

as far as I know then iCloud accounts are still going to require 
application specific passwords starting June 15th.


Although I've been reading about this, I haven't done anything because 
I have yet to receive any communication from Apple about it. Is it 
rolling out only to US iCloud accounts? I'm in Canada.


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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 9 Jun 2017, at 16:27, David Ledger wrote:


On 9 Jun 2017, at 15:22, David Vereschagin wrote:

Neither my wife nor I in the UK have heard either. Mine just forwards 
to my own domain account, but my wife uses hers directly.


I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 9 Jun 2017, at 16:26, Verdon Vaillancourt wrote:

My understanding is that it will be with the next release of MacOS 
(High Sierra?), sometime this fall… unless you are using one of the 
beta builds.


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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 9 Jun 2017, at 16:22, David Vereschagin wrote:


On 9 Jun 2017, at 8:52, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

as far as I know then iCloud accounts are still going to require 
application specific passwords starting June 15th.


Although I've been reading about this, I haven't done anything because 
I have yet to receive any communication from Apple about it. Is it 
rolling out only to US iCloud accounts? I'm in Canada.


I don't think it's limited to US accounts. I received this on May 16th:

Beginning on 15 June, app-specific passwords will be required to 
access your iCloud data using third-party apps such as Microsoft 
Outlook, Mozilla Thunderbird, or other mail, contacts and calendar 
services not provided by Apple.


If you are already signed in to a third-party app using your primary 
Apple ID password, you will be signed out automatically when this 
change takes effect. You will need to generate an app-specific 
password and sign in again.


To generate an app-specific password, [turn on two-factor 
authentication](https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204915) for your 
Apple ID and then follow the instructions below:


* Sign in to your Apple ID account page (https://appleid.apple.com)
*   Go to App-Specific Passwords under Security
*   Click Generate Password

For more information, read [Using App-Specific 
Passwords](https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT204397). If you need 
additional help, visit Apple Support.


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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[David Ledger]

On 9 Jun 2017, at 15:22, David Vereschagin wrote:


On 9 Jun 2017, at 8:52, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

as far as I know then iCloud accounts are still going to require 
application specific passwords starting June 15th.


Although I've been reading about this, I haven't done anything because 
I have yet to receive any communication from Apple about it. Is it 
rolling out only to US iCloud accounts? I'm in Canada.



Neither my wife nor I in the UK have heard either. Mine just forwards to 
my own domain account, but my wife uses hers directly.


David

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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Verdon Vaillancourt]

My understanding is that it will be with the next release of MacOS (High 
Sierra?), sometime this fall… unless you are using one of the beta 
builds.


v


On 9 Jun 2017, at 10:22, David Vereschagin wrote:


On 9 Jun 2017, at 8:52, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

as far as I know then iCloud accounts are still going to require 
application specific passwords starting June 15th.


Although I've been reading about this, I haven't done anything because 
I have yet to receive any communication from Apple about it. Is it 
rolling out only to US iCloud accounts? I'm in Canada.


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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[David Vereschagin]

On 9 Jun 2017, at 8:52, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:

as far as I know then iCloud accounts are still going to require 
application specific passwords starting June 15th.


Although I've been reading about this, I haven't done anything because I 
have yet to receive any communication from Apple about it. Is it rolling 
out only to US iCloud accounts? I'm in Canada.


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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

Hi iCloud email account users,

as far as I know then iCloud accounts are still going to require 
application specific passwords starting June 15th. I've put up [a blog 
post](https://blog.freron.com/2017/application-specific-passwords/) 
about this change. Hopefully, most MailMate users are ready :)


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On 16 May 2017, at 14:02, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


Hi,

Apple has announced (by email) that iCloud email accounts are going to 
require the use of an app specific password. If you have an iCloud 
email account then you might want to look into this before June 15th. 
The email is described 
[here](https://www.macrumors.com/2017/05/16/third-party-apps-passwords-icloud-access/).


How to do this is described by Apple 
[here](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204397).


For the record, there is currently no API available to MailMate to 
avoid this additional step. This is only available to applications 
created by Apple including Apple Mail.


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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Barton Lipman]

Ditto.  Though I have only two Macs and two iOS devices...

On 16 May 2017, at 15:53, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:


On 16 May 2017, at 15:49, Scott A. McIntyre wrote:




I would recommend a good password manager though.  I use 1Password, 
which helps me organise this quite nicely.  Each platform with 
application specific passwords is a separate entity in my data, and I 
make a new "Password" item within that entity for each of the 
Applications.


I also use 1Password.  It's essential -- I have four Macs and two iOS 
devices that all need to know my passwords.



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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Jacqueline Barrios Rojas]

Hello I don't write because this format is very difficult my IPad Thank You.
El El mar, 16 de may. de 2017 a las 15:53, Steven M. Bellovin <
s...@cs.columbia.edu> escribió:

> On 16 May 2017, at 15:49, Scott A. McIntyre wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I would recommend a good password manager though.  I use 1Password,
> > which helps me organise this quite nicely.  Each platform with
> > application specific passwords is a separate entity in my data, and I
> > make a new "Password" item within that entity for each of the
> > Applications.
> >
> I also use 1Password.  It's essential -- I have four Macs and two iOS
> devices that all need to know my passwords.
>
>
>  --Steve Bellovin, https://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb
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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Steven M. Bellovin]

On 16 May 2017, at 15:49, Scott A. McIntyre wrote:




I would recommend a good password manager though.  I use 1Password, 
which helps me organise this quite nicely.  Each platform with 
application specific passwords is a separate entity in my data, and I 
make a new "Password" item within that entity for each of the 
Applications.


I also use 1Password.  It's essential -- I have four Macs and two iOS 
devices that all need to know my passwords.



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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Scott A. McIntyre]

Hi,


On 17 May 2017, at 0531, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:

I will note that I turned on 2FA long ago, and I've had zero trouble 
with MailMate and its app-specific password.  You set it up once; 
after that, it just works.



Echoing Steve here.

I use several platforms which make use of per-app passwords, and 
MailMate with Apple's 2FA and per-app password support has been easy; 
FastMail have it as well.


I would recommend a good password manager though.  I use 1Password, 
which helps me organise this quite nicely.  Each platform with 
application specific passwords is a separate entity in my data, and I 
make a new "Password" item within that entity for each of the 
Applications.


MailMate has worked fine with this setup.  Only took a few minutes to 
set up with 1P.


Absolutely worth it given the importance of email, and how compromising 
an email credential is often a gateway to the compromise of 
$everything_else.


Scott

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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Rob Willett]

I don’t normally post in this group as I tend to listen.

A little word of caution for using 2FA if you are an Apple Developer. We 
found that a number of low level Apple features that have been automated 
stop working if 2FA is turned on. For us we found that auto generation 
and management of Apple Push Certificates through third party vendors 
stopped working. I will agree that this is a little esoteric and 
probably out of scope for 99.9% of the readers here, but it took us (and 
PushWoosh) some hours to track down this issue and resolve it by turning 
off 2FA. if anybody has ever had to manually issue certificates for 
Apple Push Notifications, all the associate ‘paperwork’ and manage 
them through a third party supplier, you will know what an utter 
nightmare it can be. Google is simple, Apple is horrible (IMHO), We 
happily turned off 2FA to avoid using the nightmare that is Apple 
certificate management. Indeed we’d happily jump to Googles systems if 
we could dump Apples notification servers :)


I have heard of other developers having similar types of issues with 2FA 
as we do things at a lower level and the tools can be a little, errr, 
rustic in nature. For 99% of users they don’t have a problem, though 
after saying that my other half struggles to understand it and use it 
for her Mac stuff. I can see why Apple do it.


I’ll go back to lurking now.

Rob

On 16 May 2017, at 20:31, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:


On 16 May 2017, at 14:35, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 16 May 2017, at 18:12, Brian LaFreda wrote:

MailMate does work with Apple’s app specific passwords, just 
don’t use the FQDN’d email address for username. Truncate the 
@me/mac/icloud.com and you’re good to go.


I don't know if app specific passwords trigger this to be important 
(it's a bit weird), but I think it actually correlates with some of 
the user feedback I've had in the past.


In any case, it's documented by Apple 
[here](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202304). It does sound a bit 
like they don't really know themselves what's going on: “Username: 
This is usually the name part of your iCloud email address (for 
example, emilyparker, not emilypar...@icloud.com). If your email 
client can't connect to iCloud using just the name part of your 
iCloud email address, try using the full address.”


It gets even weirder when reading the instructions for the SMTP 
username: “Username: Your full iCloud email address (for example, 
emilypar...@icloud.com, not emilyparker)”


But as the developer of something as idiosyncratic as MailMate I 
really should not be the one to point fingers :)


I will note that I turned on 2FA long ago, and I've had zero trouble 
with MailMate and its app-specific password.  You set it up once; 
after that, it just works.


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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Steven M. Bellovin]

On 16 May 2017, at 14:35, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


On 16 May 2017, at 18:12, Brian LaFreda wrote:

MailMate does work with Apple’s app specific passwords, just 
don’t use the FQDN’d email address for username. Truncate the 
@me/mac/icloud.com and you’re good to go.


I don't know if app specific passwords trigger this to be important 
(it's a bit weird), but I think it actually correlates with some of 
the user feedback I've had in the past.


In any case, it's documented by Apple 
[here](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202304). It does sound a bit 
like they don't really know themselves what's going on: “Username: 
This is usually the name part of your iCloud email address (for 
example, emilyparker, not emilypar...@icloud.com). If your email 
client can't connect to iCloud using just the name part of your iCloud 
email address, try using the full address.”


It gets even weirder when reading the instructions for the SMTP 
username: “Username: Your full iCloud email address (for example, 
emilypar...@icloud.com, not emilyparker)”


But as the developer of something as idiosyncratic as MailMate I 
really should not be the one to point fingers :)


I will note that I turned on 2FA long ago, and I've had zero trouble 
with MailMate and its app-specific password.  You set it up once; after 
that, it just works.


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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

On 16 May 2017, at 18:12, Brian LaFreda wrote:

MailMate does work with Apple’s app specific passwords, just don’t 
use the FQDN’d email address for username. Truncate the 
@me/mac/icloud.com and you’re good to go.


I don't know if app specific passwords trigger this to be important 
(it's a bit weird), but I think it actually correlates with some of the 
user feedback I've had in the past.


In any case, it's documented by Apple 
[here](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202304). It does sound a bit 
like they don't really know themselves what's going on: “Username: 
This is usually the name part of your iCloud email address (for example, 
emilyparker, not emilypar...@icloud.com). If your email client can't 
connect to iCloud using just the name part of your iCloud email address, 
try using the full address.”


It gets even weirder when reading the instructions for the SMTP 
username: “Username: Your full iCloud email address (for example, 
emilypar...@icloud.com, not emilyparker)”


But as the developer of something as idiosyncratic as MailMate I really 
should not be the one to point fingers :)


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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

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On 16 May 2017, at 11:35, Brian LaFreda brian.lafr...@me.com  wrote:

Sorry all, didn’t mean to confuse anybody… :) Most people here are 
much smarter than me, so I just assumed…lol


Not a problem. Glad you did or I would have remained forever ignorant. 
Just kicking myself for not googling, I do that for everything else. SMH


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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Brian LaFreda]

Sorry all, didn’t mean to confuse anybody… :) Most people here are 
much smarter than me, so I just assumed…lol


On 16 May 2017, at 12:33, Richard Rettke wrote:


On 16 May 2017, at 11:30, Thomas Eckhold tho...@eckhold.eu  wrote:

I had to google it and 
found **F**ully **Q**ualified **D**omain **N**ame...


Thomas


Thank you Thomas.
Didn't think to google it.
Head slapping now!

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On 16 May 2017, at 11:30, Thomas Eckhold tho...@eckhold.eu  wrote:

I had to google it and 
found **F**ully **Q**ualified **D**omain **N**ame...


Thomas


Thank you Thomas.
Didn't think to google it.
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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Sam Hathaway]

He just means to use the part before the @ sign as the username rather 
than using the whole email address.

-sam

On 16 May 2017, at 12:26 PM EDT, Richard Rettke wrote:


On 16 May 2017, at 11:12, Brian LaFreda brian.lafr...@me.com  wrote:


just don’t use the FQDN’d email address for username


Hmm? Color me ignorant. I don't understand the term **FQDN'd** email 
address. Please elucidate. I'm sure when you tell me I'll head slap 
myself.


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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Thomas Eckhold]

I had to google it and found **F**ully **Q**ualified **D**omain 
**N**ame...


Thomas

On 16 May 2017, at 18:26, Richard Rettke wrote:


On 16 May 2017, at 11:12, Brian LaFreda brian.lafr...@me.com  wrote:


just don’t use the FQDN’d email address for username


Hmm? Color me ignorant. I don't understand the term **FQDN'd** email 
address. Please elucidate. I'm sure when you tell me I'll head slap 
myself.


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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Richard Rettke]

On 16 May 2017, at 11:12, Brian LaFreda brian.lafr...@me.com  wrote:


just don’t use the FQDN’d email address for username


Hmm? Color me ignorant. I don't understand the term **FQDN'd** email 
address. Please elucidate. I'm sure when you tell me I'll head slap 
myself.


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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Brian LaFreda]

Just FYI…

MailMate does work with Apple’s app specific passwords, just don’t 
use the FQDN’d email address for username. Truncate the 
@me/mac/icloud.com and you’re good to go.


On 16 May 2017, at 8:02, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote:


Hi,

Apple has announced (by email) that iCloud email accounts are going to 
require the use of an app specific password. If you have an iCloud 
email account then you might want to look into this before June 15th. 
The email is described 
[here](https://www.macrumors.com/2017/05/16/third-party-apps-passwords-icloud-access/).


How to do this is described by Apple 
[here](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204397).


For the record, there is currently no API available to MailMate to 
avoid this additional step. This is only available to applications 
created by Apple including Apple Mail.


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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Verdon Vaillancourt]

Security is a pain in the butt…. we’ve been trying to encourage 
people to use 2F at the small university where I work… it’s like 
pulling teeth! Most people turn it back off after less than a day. Users 
are the weakest link ;-)


v


On 16 May 2017, at 10:15, Robert Brenstein wrote:

I have turned the 2F authentication on, found it a nuisance, then 
turned it off. So that part works. However, this does not mean that 
app-specific passwords will continue to work. Someone has to try.


Robert

On 16 May 2017, at 15:12, Annamarie wrote:

That may be true - but I have many clients for whom passwords are 
already a problem - this is going to make it even worse! Sigh. I 
guess it's job security for me.?



Annamarie Pluhar
802-451-1941
802-579-5975 (iPhone - not good when I'm at my desk.)

On 16 May 2017, at 8:49, Fredrik Jonsson wrote:


David Morrison 2017-05-16 14:34 wrote:

It requires two factor authentication to be turned on to generate 
the app specific password. Can you turn two factor authentication 
off after the password has been generated?


Even if you can you really shouldn't. TFA is a huge security 
improvement for your iCloud account.


Fredrik

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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Robert Brenstein]

I have turned the 2F authentication on, found it a nuisance, then turned 
it off. So that part works. However, this does not mean that 
app-specific passwords will continue to work. Someone has to try.


Robert

On 16 May 2017, at 15:12, Annamarie wrote:

That may be true - but I have many clients for whom passwords are 
already a problem - this is going to make it even worse! Sigh. I guess 
it's job security for me.?



Annamarie Pluhar
802-451-1941
802-579-5975 (iPhone - not good when I'm at my desk.)

On 16 May 2017, at 8:49, Fredrik Jonsson wrote:


David Morrison 2017-05-16 14:34 wrote:

It requires two factor authentication to be turned on to generate 
the app specific password. Can you turn two factor authentication 
off after the password has been generated?


Even if you can you really shouldn't. TFA is a huge security 
improvement for your iCloud account.


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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Annamarie]

That may be true - but I have many clients for whom passwords are 
already a problem - this is going to make it even worse! Sigh. I guess 
it's job security for me.?



Annamarie Pluhar
802-451-1941
802-579-5975 (iPhone - not good when I'm at my desk.)

On 16 May 2017, at 8:49, Fredrik Jonsson wrote:


David Morrison 2017-05-16 14:34 wrote:

It requires two factor authentication to be turned on to generate the 
app specific password. Can you turn two factor authentication off 
after the password has been generated?


Even if you can you really shouldn't. TFA is a huge security 
improvement for your iCloud account.


Fredrik
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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Fredrik Jonsson]

David Morrison 2017-05-16 14:34 wrote:

It requires two factor authentication to be turned on to generate the 
app specific password. Can you turn two factor authentication off 
after the password has been generated?


Even if you can you really shouldn't. TFA is a huge security improvement 
for your iCloud account.


Fredrik
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Re: [MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[David Morrison]

Hi,

Apple has announced (by email) that iCloud email accounts are going 
to require the use of an app specific password. If you have an 
iCloud email account then you might want to look into this before 
June 15th. The email is described 
here.


How to do this is described by Apple 
here.


It requires two factor authentication to be turned on to generate the 
app specific password. Can you turn two factor authentication off 
after the password has been generated?


David
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[MlMt] iCloud accounts require an app specific password starting June 15th

[Benny Kjær Nielsen]

Hi,

Apple has announced (by email) that iCloud email accounts are going to 
require the use of an app specific password. If you have an iCloud email 
account then you might want to look into this before June 15th. The 
email is described 
[here](https://www.macrumors.com/2017/05/16/third-party-apps-passwords-icloud-access/).


How to do this is described by Apple 
[here](https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204397).


For the record, there is currently no API available to MailMate to avoid 
this additional step. This is only available to applications created by 
Apple including Apple Mail.


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